Thread: #DVA Chat Times & Logs

Next DVA chat time is Wednesday, December 5, 1pm - 3pm CST.

Wednesday, December 5 Class:

Spoiler for first hour:

[12:58] == OpheliaBlue|BRB has changed nick to OpheliaBlue
[12:59] <@OpheliaBlue> oh hey, were there other classes today? per the chat topic above?
[12:59] <@OpheliaBlue> oh wait nvm I see what's goin on
[13:00] <Oceandrop> ^^
[13:00] <@RareCola> Lol Lisa
[13:00] <@RareCola> you're a clever one
[13:00] <@OpheliaBlue> oh schtooop
[13:01] <@OpheliaBlue> Xanous may come and lurk later.. he and I are gonna try an do the occasional PM class
[13:01] <Jawad> When we wake up after 7 hours of sleep. Than how many minutes should i remain awake?
[13:01] == TwilightShawn [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[13:02] <@OpheliaBlue> Jawad: experiment between 30min - an hour
[13:02] <@OpheliaBlue> hey TwilightShawn
[13:02] <TwilightShawn> Hello!
[13:02] <@OpheliaBlue> for me 45-1 hour works best
[13:02] <Jawad> ok
[13:02] <@OpheliaBlue> if you don't mind a little reading, I can link you to this experiment about it
[13:02] <Jawad> hmm. Which technique is best for me as biggner?
[13:03] <Jawad> yes i would like to read.
[13:03] <@OpheliaBlue> Wakefulness Makes Lucidity More Likely
[13:03] <Demonbot> Title: Wakefulness Makes Lucidity More Likely (at LUCID DREAMING)
[13:03] <%Oreoboy1996> MILD or DILD is usually good for beginners in my opinion
[13:04] == Coolb3rt [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[13:04] <Coolb3rt> wat
[13:04] <@OpheliaBlue> I think as a beginner, it just helps to be more aware during the day (RCs), keep a dream journal, and browse the forum to keep the idea of lucid dreaming always on the forefront of your mind.
[13:04] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Coolb3rt
[13:04] <Coolb3rt> heyo'
[13:04] <Oceandrop> MILD or DILD is generally the best in my opinion + WBTB :<
[13:04] <@OpheliaBlue> I had some great vibrations this morning, but I've been having RLS lately that's majorly cockblocking me
[13:04] <Oceandrop> RLS?
[13:05] <Coolb3rt> really lacking sleep I think
[13:05] <@OpheliaBlue> and what Oceandrop said as well. WBTB is great, and they cover that in that link Jawad
[13:05] <Coolb3rt> I just guessed
[13:05] <@OpheliaBlue> restless leg syndrome
[13:05] <Coolb3rt> ffuu
[13:05] <Oceandrop> oh o_o okay
[13:05] <@OpheliaBlue> I haven't had it in years, so I don't know what's going on
[13:05] <@CanisLucidus> Hey OpheliaBlue ! Good to see you
[13:05] <@OpheliaBlue> you too CL
[13:06] <@OpheliaBlue> I think I need to exercise more haha
[13:06] <@CanisLucidus> Oh weird with the restless leg, OpheliaBlue... what are your symptoms like?
[13:06] <@OpheliaBlue> I used to jog all the time
[13:06] <Jawad> ok
[13:06] <@OpheliaBlue> well it's when I'm really relaxed, it feels like little electric shocks in my legs and I have to jerk them to get it to stop
[13:07] <@OpheliaBlue> When I was in my 3rd trimester, it was so bad that my husband literally had to beat them with his fists to make it stop
[13:07] <@OpheliaBlue> and NO I'm not pregnant again O_O
[13:07] <Coolb3rt> MicroWave`: you were also in my dream last night
[13:07] <%Oreoboy1996> is beating them with your fist a good idea? O_o
[13:07] <@OpheliaBlue> haha no idea
[13:07] <@OpheliaBlue> I mean, not beating to the point of bruising, just like swedish massage kinda
[13:08] <Oceandrop> mhh Did you see a doctor?
[13:08] == Booney [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[13:08] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Booney
[13:08] <Oceandrop> hi Booney
[13:08] <@CanisLucidus> Does it wake you up, OpheliaBlue? Do you know whether there is any response to over the counter pain meds?
[13:08] <%Oreoboy1996> Coolb3rt: i think the reason for your dream was because we were killing each other on minecraft
[13:08] <Oceandrop> it just sounds annoying, I would probably talk to a doctor about it and see if he has an idea :<
[13:08] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Booney
[13:09] <Booney> Hi all. frist time in chat. on mobile phone even.
[13:09] <@OpheliaBlue> it doesn't wake me up, it just keeps me awake after WBTB
[13:09] <Oceandrop> oh nice Booney
[13:09] <@CanisLucidus> welcome Booney
[13:09] <@OpheliaBlue> my gma has it too, and I know that athletes get it, and I used to be a major runner, so
[13:09] <Oceandrop> ah
[13:09] <Oceandrop> kk
[13:10] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm not taking any pills. If it gets worse I'll go see the doc. In the past it went away on its own (esp if I get off my butt and exercize more lol)
[13:10] <Jawad> We do reality checks so we can know that we are dreaming when we are doing same thing in dream right? But I never saw any dream related to my casual routine.
[13:11] <Jawad> How reality checks can help me?
[13:11] == OldGeisha|Away has changed nick to OldGeisha
[13:11] <@OpheliaBlue> hey OldGeisha <3
[13:11] <Oceandrop> mh no, you can also RC to train your awareness, like asking you "Where am I?", "Do my environment look normal?", "What am I doing here?" etc.
[13:11] <@OpheliaBlue> Jawad: mainly, it's about training your awareness
[13:11] <OldGeisha> Hey
[13:11] <Oceandrop> I think someone in this room gave me that advice
[13:11] <Jawad> hmm
[13:12] <Oceandrop> I also ask myself now what I have done before that, before I went "here"
[13:12] <@CanisLucidus> Think of it this way. Throughout the day, you want to prove to yourself that you are not dreaming.
[13:12] <Jawad> and dreams signs are those elements which I see mostly in my dreams right?
[13:12] <@OpheliaBlue> yes
[13:12] <@CanisLucidus> Reality checks are one way to do this, as well as thinking "What was I just doing?" and "Does what I'm doing make any sense?"
[13:13] <TwilightShawn> My favorite is the noseplug. In a dream you can breathe through your nose when it's plugged.
[13:13] <@OpheliaBlue> For me, I dream that I have already woken up and gotten out of bed alot (false awakening), so that's when I really need to be extra aware.
[13:13] <@CanisLucidus> TwilightShawn: Pretty much the Cadillac of reality checks
[13:13] <@OpheliaBlue> lol Canis
[13:14] <@CanisLucidus> What an old man thing to say. I sound like I just sat up out of a coffin.
[13:14] <Oceandrop> I prefer the questions and than looking after my wrist watch, if its their, checking the time twice
[13:14] <TwilightShawn> lol
[13:14] <@OpheliaBlue> haha I don't know, I love how you phrase stuff
[13:14] <@CanisLucidus> Ha ha thanks
[13:14] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, checking things more than once, good point Oceandrop
[13:15] <@OpheliaBlue> since things can morph in dreams alot, so chekc the clock a few times, or something you're reading
[13:15] <Booney> Thinking about how you got where you currently are is a very powerfully rc for me
[13:16] <Oceandrop> same here, I like to think that it also trains your memory
[13:16] <@CanisLucidus> Booney: Agreed. That's done it for me several times.
[13:16] <@OpheliaBlue> I like that one too Booney
[13:16] <Jawad> Last Night I saw 5 dreams and 2 of them were totally around the research on Lucid Dreams And I found DVA Also. Still I were not Lucid. Why?
[13:16] <@OpheliaBlue> haha that's normal!
[13:16] <@CanisLucidus> Oceandrop: Exactly... it also trains you to be aware and actually pay attention to what is actually going on
[13:16] <@CanisLucidus> Jawad: My man, we've all been there... lol
[13:16] <@OpheliaBlue> in fact, people usually dream about the subject of lucid draeming when they're getting close
[13:16] <TwilightShawn> You're getting close Jawad! Keep at it!
[13:17] <@OpheliaBlue> or about DV members.. don't be surprised if a wild RareCola appears
[13:17] <@CanisLucidus> This is the sort of stuff that happened to me all the time before it really broke wide open
[13:17] <Oceandrop> hehe
[13:17] * RareCola pops his head up
[13:17] <@OpheliaBlue> me too, it feels like a major facepalm, but it just means you're on the right track
[13:17] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[13:17] <@CanisLucidus> It's true... OpheliaBlue and RareCola podcasted throughout one of my dreams recently and I didn' t manage to become lucid
[13:17] <Oceandrop> You just have to whisper the name of the devil huh
[13:18] <@OpheliaBlue> I like to ping him for shits
[13:18] <Oceandrop> x)
[13:18] <@CanisLucidus> Who do you mean, OB? RareCola?
[13:18] <@CanisLucidus> It's RareCola we're tlaking about?
[13:18] <@RareCola> hate you all
[13:18] <Oceandrop> XD
[13:18] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah he's a little demon
[13:19] <@OpheliaBlue> that's why we keep him around here
[13:19] <Jawad> Wao
[13:19] <Kael^Seoras|BRB> hey sorry I'm late!
[13:19] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, hey Kael^Seoras
[13:19] <@CanisLucidus> hi Kael^Seoras|BRB
[13:19] <Kael^Seoras|BRB> !back
[13:19] <Oceandrop> I hope I may throw a general question into the room, it's how are you using your DreamJournaling? I know many write not just their dreams in it, but other stuff too like their Mantra etc. So I am just curious how you guys use your offline Dream Journal :0?
[13:19] == Kael^Seoras|BRB has changed nick to Kael^Seoras
[13:19] <@OpheliaBlue> I was just going to ask if there are any mroe questions about RCs and awareness? Or do we want to move on to another topic
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[13:20] <@OpheliaBlue> good ques Oceandrop
[13:20] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Tenacious
[13:20] <@CanisLucidus> Hi Tenacious !
[13:20] <Oceandrop> Hey Tenacious
[13:20] <Tenacious> Hey everyonee
[13:20] <@OpheliaBlue> I think I may need to log this class one hour at a time, it's gonna be a doozy
[13:21] <Oceandrop> Yea, I thought maybe I can get an Idea how to better use it @ Dream Journal
[13:21] <@OpheliaBlue> Anyway,in addition to what Oceandrop asked, how do you guys utilize your dream journals? Just dreams? Or mantras? Do you keep waking journals?
[13:21] <Kael^Seoras> just dreams
[13:22] <@RareCola> I usually note down things that could have effects on my dreams that I've utilised the night before, times for sleep and waking and keep notes in the back of my journal on dream signs and mantras
[13:22] <Oceandrop> Too answer my own question, I use it just for writing date, technique and the dream(s) down I had, but I hope I can get better ideas here so I can use it to its maximum potential
[13:22] <@CanisLucidus> I list what i ate before bed, the tech I used pre-bed and WBTB, and my wake-up times. Then a little "psych-up" sentence or two where I say really flattering stuff about my own LD abilities. lol
[13:22] <Jawad> I am writting all details of dreams.
[13:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I write my dreams, but in this past year, I began introducing each entry with my WBTB practice, sleep patterns, induction method etc
[13:22] <TwilightShawn> Right now just remembering my lucid dreams and thoughts about techniques I'm using.
[13:22] <@CanisLucidus> I also like to draw a lot of maps lately. Dream geography can be interesting.
[13:22] <Kael^Seoras> I highlight dream signs
[13:23] <@OpheliaBlue> anyone use pictures? either online or offline?
[13:23] <Oceandrop> ah I draw sometimes little pictures of stuff, but just started that lately
[13:23] <Oceandrop> *offline
[13:23] <@CanisLucidus> I like to draw in my DJ. I am the world's worst artist but I still have to get some things down on paper.
[13:23] <@OpheliaBlue> maps is a good idea.. I'll find crap on the internet and post it sometimes, if it looks close enough (since I suck at drawing)
[13:24] <Tenacious> I try to put pictures into entries that I put online, also draw a little sketch beneath the dream on my paper journal
[13:24] <@OpheliaBlue> do y'all find it helps with dream recall, to draw what you dream?
[13:24] <Oceandrop> Mh can't say yet
[13:25] <Jawad> Should I start following Awareness lessons? which are on lesson 3?
[13:25] <@CanisLucidus> I do. The maps in particular give me a real sense of place.
[13:25] <@OpheliaBlue> the lessons are self paced, so move on to them when ever you want
[13:25] <Jawad> ok
[13:25] <@OpheliaBlue> but it's never too soon to begin awareness practices!
[13:25] <Oceandrop> Thats a neat idea, drawing maps I mean, also what you ate before sleep and the psych-up and writing dream signs down, I often forget that in my paper journal, but not when I write them down on Pc
[13:26] <@CanisLucidus> I am jealous/impressed by people that have persistent dream geography so I've been curious whether anything might come together.
[13:27] <@CanisLucidus> But considering that in last night's LD my own back door led me someplace totally different, guess not
[13:27] <Oceandrop> You mean people like WakingNomad?
[13:27] <@OpheliaBlue> I am too, mine morphs so much I rarely visit the same place twice
[13:27] <@CanisLucidus> I didn't know about WakingNomad... the most impressive example to me was Keela's persistent dreamworld
[13:27] <@CanisLucidus> Which she drew an amazing map of
[13:27] <Oceandrop> mh I hope I can create something similiar to the Workshop Stephen Laberge mentions in his book
[13:28] <Oceandrop> but totally persistent dream geography sounds nice
[13:28] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Yeah, you start from home base so often but things are often nuts outside
[13:28] <@CanisLucidus> Oceandrop: Can you refresh my memory on the workshop idea?
[13:28] <@OpheliaBlue> they sure are!
[13:28] <@OpheliaBlue> my DILDs don't usually start at home base, so at least there's some variation there. But all my WILDs start in my room
[13:28] <Kael^Seoras> lol my dream mind goes to too many different locations
[13:29] <Kael^Seoras> not sure if I've ever seen the same place twice
[13:29] <@OpheliaBlue> how do you LD usually Kael^Seoras ?
[13:29] <Kael^Seoras> however, my recall is lackign so i guess I never know
[13:29] <Oceandrop> He talked about how you can use your Lucid Dreams for enlarging your creativity, and then comes with the idea to create a Dreamhome/Workshop that is persistent which you can fill with all kind of things, Mona Lisa hanging down your wall, a fireplace, all kinds of tea dunno what exactly now, the examples are from me, or summon minds like Davinchi
[13:29] <Kael^Seoras> last LD I ahd was years ago xD a DILD
[13:29] <Kael^Seoras> DILD is what I'm working on right now
[13:30] <Oceandrop> also drawing it in real life or describing it so the image burns into your mind I think
[13:30] <Oceandrop> but don't remember exactly
[13:30] <@CanisLucidus> Oceandrop: Ah cool. I like that. I'd stick a time machine in mine for emergency use in the event of a difficult Task of the Month
[13:30] <@OpheliaBlue> not a bad idea Oceandrop , especially for some of us who are all over the place
[13:30] <Kael^Seoras> that is an awesome idea
[13:30] <@OpheliaBlue> Kael^Seoras: do you remember if you woke up first, then went back to sleep before having that DILD?
[13:30] <Kael^Seoras> no
[13:30] <Jawad> Why I cant post in Dream Snippets Thread?
[13:31] <Kael^Seoras> don't think so though
[13:31] <Oceandrop> This is not from me, its somewhere in ETWOLD Ophelia
[13:31] <Kael^Seoras> most of the time I fall asleep at night and wake int he morning
[13:31] <@OpheliaBlue> Oceandrop: I know
[13:31] <Oceandrop> ah okay sorry
[13:31] <Kael^Seoras> however...I think I did try WBTB a few times, might've been then...
[13:31] <@OpheliaBlue> Jawad: why, what's happening when you try to post a reply to the snippets thread?
[13:32] <@CanisLucidus> Kael^Seoras: WBTB is incredibly effective. I've had to use it for almost all of my LDs.
[13:32] <Oceandrop> Thats my absolute favorite goal, to achieve such a place :3
[13:33] <Booney> WBTB got me my first WILD last night. drawing it now.
[13:33] <Oceandrop> yea and don't be demotivated if it doesn't work the first couple times Kael, try it out and try different times @ staying up
[13:34] <TwilightShawn> Congrats Booney!
[13:34] <Kael^Seoras> unfortunately sleep time is extremely precious to me right now
[13:34] <Kael^Seoras> but I'll make a note to try it if I should wake up naturally during the night
[13:35] <@CanisLucidus> Kael^Seoras: Understood on the sleep time. I wanted nothing to do with WBTB for that reason.
[13:35] <@OpheliaBlue> brb trying to help new student get into chat
[13:35] <Booney> 5 min was enough for me. It doesn't have to make a big impact on your sleep.
[13:35] <Oceandrop> ok
[13:35] <@CanisLucidus> Then an involuntary WBTB finally got me lucid after 2 months of trying and I had to grudgingly adopt it
[13:35] <Oceandrop> mh 5min? Maybe it was a DEILD Booney?
[13:35] <Tenacious> WBTB seems to do good things for me, i've only had three ld's but two came after WBTB's
[13:35] <Jawad> Snippets is working now for me. How can I delete any post?
[13:36] <Booney> No I did get out of bed, had drink.
[13:36] <Oceandrop> ah okay
[13:36] <Oceandrop> hehe
[13:36] == MicroWave` has changed nick to MicroWave`|Away
[13:37] <Oceandrop> When I started out with Lucid Dreaming as Teenager, I got one right after reading ETWOLD, but sadly this success didn't continue x)
[13:37] <@OpheliaBlue> Jawad: if the post was too long ago, I'll have to delete it for you. Which post?
[13:37] <Oceandrop> Mostly because I was too impatience
[13:38] <Oceandrop> * impatient
[13:38] <Jawad> I have added a test post in snippets. PLease delete it
[13:38] <@OpheliaBlue> ok
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[13:39] <@OpheliaBlue> blackbirdrising can't get into chat, dunno why. she posted in meta fyi MicroWave`|Away
[13:39] <@OpheliaBlue> also fyi Oldsparta
[13:39] <Oldsparta> ?
[13:39] == mode/#DVA [+a Oldsparta] by DreamBot
[13:39] <&Oldsparta> oh
[13:39] == mode/#DVA [+v Oldsparta] by DreamBot
[13:39] == mode/#DVA [+h Oldsparta] by DreamBot
[13:40] == mode/#DVA [+o Oldsparta] by DreamBot
[13:40] <@OpheliaBlue> ok Jawad , deleted
[13:40] <Jawad> Thank you so much :-)
[13:40] <Booney> Impatience got the better of me as well at the beginning of this year. And now after 6 weeks of devotion voila, lucidity. Persevere people!
[13:40] <@OpheliaBlue> tired of being a geisha Shane
[13:41] <Oceandrop> OMG
[13:41] <Oceandrop> I was just in the snippets thread and that "I had a dream where I was a dog, and no matter how I tried to speak, all that came out were growls." triggered a dream memory fragment
[13:41] <&Oldsparta> OpheliaBlue, Nah, just making sure I can't get kicked
[13:41] <&Oldsparta>
[13:41] <Oceandrop> where my dog growls at me D:
[13:41] <@OpheliaBlue> oh haha
[13:41] <@CanisLucidus> !brb
[13:41] == CanisLucidus has changed nick to CanisLucidus|BRB
[13:41] <Oceandrop> I was so afraid in the dream lol
[13:42] <Oceandrop> haha have to thank paige later
[13:42] == Oldsparta has changed nick to Oldsparta|BRB
[13:42] <@OpheliaBlue> that's funny Oceandrop
[13:42] <Oceandrop> it is!
[13:42] <@OpheliaBlue> Ok, for those of you having LDs regularly, how are you doing with sustaining the LD, and accomplishing goals in them?
[13:43] <TwilightShawn> I'm getting better!
[13:43] <@OpheliaBlue> awesome!
[13:43] <Oceandrop> me too, but regularly not yet so I'm outta that question
[13:44] <icetwy|Away> !back
[13:44] == icetwy|Away has changed nick to icetwy
[13:44] <icetwy> Baaaack
[13:44] <@OpheliaBlue> wb icetwy
[13:44] <icetwy> Ophelia: did you take a look at my DJ entry?
[13:44] <@OpheliaBlue> not yet
[13:45] <@OpheliaBlue> !DJ icetwy
[13:45] <icetwy> i'm proud of it
[13:45] <icetwy> ^_^
[13:45] <@OpheliaBlue> crap
[13:45] <@OpheliaBlue> !journal icetwy
[13:45] <TwilightShawn> I achieved a couple goals simply by thinking about it.
[13:45] <@OpheliaBlue> balls
[13:45] <@OpheliaBlue> !profile icetwy
[13:45] <icetwy> lemme link ya
[13:45] <icetwy> hahaha
[13:45] <@OpheliaBlue> oh fucking ibot ain't in here lol
[13:45] <icetwy> First attempt at WBTB - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
[13:45] <@OpheliaBlue> ok thx
[13:46] <icetwy> lol
[13:46] <icetwy> 2240 words
[13:46] <@OpheliaBlue> ooo a semi lucid!
[13:46] <icetwy> I think it was.
[13:46] <icetwy> the way I felt was
[13:46] <icetwy> I sorta realized I wasn't in reality
[13:46] <icetwy> but I didn't completely realize I was in dreaming either
[13:46] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it's not uncommon to be lucid and know you're in a dream, but not have control or full control
[13:46] <icetwy> ya
[13:47] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll have to read it later, it's pretty long!
[13:47] <icetwy> but I'm still surprised my RC failed
[13:47] <icetwy> read the short dream
[13:47] <icetwy> dream 2
[13:47] <@OpheliaBlue> ok
[13:47] <icetwy> ff.
[13:47] <icetwy> it's long
[13:47] <icetwy> but
[13:47] <icetwy> ye
[13:47] <icetwy> basically
[13:47] <icetwy> I'm in front of that black dude
[13:47] <icetwy> sports teacher or elementary school teacher, I've no diea
[13:47] <icetwy> idea*
[13:47] <icetwy> he's grinning at me like a creepster
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[13:48] <icetwy> I immediately realize I should do a RC
[13:48] <icetwy> and that I do
[13:48] <icetwy> finger through palm => my finger's blocked
[13:48] <icetwy> breathing through my blocked nose => doesn't work, then works
[13:48] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah that DC screwed you
[13:48] <icetwy> the last bit got me confused
[13:48] <icetwy> yeah lol
[13:48] <icetwy> :/
[13:48] <icetwy> he wasn't even here
[13:48] <icetwy> it wasn't really a person
[13:48] <icetwy> more of a present spirit or a voice
[13:48] <@OpheliaBlue> you'll get used to the RCs, and pretty soon you'll just FEEL liike you're dreaming and won't even need to do an RC
[13:48] <icetwy> noice
[13:49] <Oceandrop> !afk
[13:49] == Oceandrop has changed nick to Oceandrop|Away
[13:49] <Jawad> Should I start one technique at same time?
[13:49] <@OpheliaBlue> lucidity will become easier for you in DILDs because you'll suddenly question if you're dreaming or not, and the answer will be YES when you realize the world around you makes no sense lol
[13:49] <icetwy> yeah
[13:50] <icetwy> especially when you've got someone keeping their gaze locked at you with a dumb smile
[13:50] <icetwy> LOL
[13:50] <@CanisLucidus|BRB> !back
[13:50] == CanisLucidus|BRB has changed nick to CanisLucidus
[13:50] <@OpheliaBlue> awesome that you're questioning and performing RCs in your dreams, you're on the right track already
[13:50] <@OpheliaBlue> wb CanisLucidus
[13:50] <@CanisLucidus> Thanks, good to be back
[13:51] <Jawad> I am thinking to take start from DILD. What do you think?
[13:51] <@CanisLucidus> Stability is good for me generally but still always kind of all over the place for me. I get a lot of long ones, and some that end seemingly at random.
[13:52] <@OpheliaBlue> DILD is a great place to start. My first LD ever was a DILD.
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[13:52] <Jawad> ok
[13:52] <@CanisLucidus> Virtually all of my LDs have been in the DILD family, so I like it
[13:52] <@OpheliaBlue> wb Booney
[13:52] <Booney> Hmm not sure what happened but I'm back.
[13:53] <Jawad> I was reading lesson two. I just finished reading DILD so should I spend my time on other techniques reading or just leave it for now and should start work on DILD?
[13:53] <@OpheliaBlue> you could try combining DILD with the WBTB that we talked about
[13:54] <icetwy> YES
[13:54] <icetwy> DILD with WBTB is what gave me such a good recall last night
[13:54] <@OpheliaBlue> when you WBTB, your mind is a little more awake, but still sleepy enough to help you attain lucidity easier
[13:55] <Jawad> ok
[13:56] <icetwy> Stephen LaBerge is amazing
[13:56] <icetwy> ;o
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[13:56] <@melanieb|Away> !back
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[13:56] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Chimpertainment and melanieb !
[13:56] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah Stephen is great
[13:56] <@melanieb> Hola Clase
[13:56] <@Chimpertainment> hellooo!
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[13:57] <@OpheliaBlue> good timing, it was just kinda getting quiet
[13:57] <@melanieb> I finished my dishes
[13:57] <@melanieb> I was here before class
[13:57] <icetwy> dishes
[13:57] <@OpheliaBlue> lol ok
[13:57] <icetwy> uhoh
[13:57] <@melanieb> I'm hoping Jawad and Oceandrop|Away got some good info
[13:57] <icetwy> now though Ophelia
[13:58] <icetwy> how could I possibly have a stable control over my dreams?
[13:58] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I need to log the first hour now because it's getting really long
[13:58] <icetwy> as soon as I realize I'm dreaming.
[13:58] <@Chimpertainment> do we have a topic today?
[13:58] <@OpheliaBlue> ever morphing topic
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[13:58] <@Chimpertainment> cool
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[13:58] <@OpheliaBlue> I was just asking students about their LD sustaining and control
[13:59] <@CanisLucidus> Hey Chimpertainment !
[13:59] <@Chimpertainment> hey canis
[13:59] <Jawad> yes
[13:59] <@CanisLucidus> And sorry for dropping -- my 3-year-old thinks he's a network engineer
[13:59] <icetwy> Haha, what'd he do, Canis?
[13:59] <Booney> hahaha
[13:59] <@OpheliaBlue> icetwy: control takes practice in LDs, but things youcan start off with are those little goals I was talkign about before.
[13:59] <icetwy> aaah, yeah. I remember.
[13:59] <@CanisLucidus> Ran by and bounced our wireless router, ha ha
[13:59] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb real quick
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Spoiler for second hour:

[14:00] <@melanieb> Small goals, easy ideas
[14:00] <icetwy> Hmm.
[14:00] <icetwy> Making a DC appear?
[14:00] <Jawad> for WBTB Do i need to wake up after 90 mins?
[14:00] <icetwy> 90 mins? that's not long enough
[14:00] <@melanieb> Make them appear around a corner, behind you or through a door
[14:00] <icetwy> 4 hours at least
[14:00] <@Chimpertainment> icetwy: the biggest tool for dream control is expectation...if you expect something to happen, it probably will
[14:00] <@melanieb> Exactly
[14:01] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, i did what melanieb is talking about the other night
[14:01] <@melanieb> And it's better to get through your first long period of REM before WBTB
[14:01] <@melanieb> I used to sleep 5 to 6 hours, get the kids off to school and then do WBTB
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[14:01] <@melanieb> Stayed up late, woke up early, went back to bed as soon as I could
[14:01] <@CanisLucidus> Hi NewArtemis !
[14:01] <@melanieb> hiHi NewArtemis
[14:01] <NewArtemis> hey everyone
[14:01] <icetwy> hmm.
[14:01] <icetwy> hola NewArtemis
[14:02] <icetwy> I can't afford to stimulate my brains too much when doing WBTB.
[14:02] <icetwy> I did so last night, took me quite a long time to fall asleep again
[14:02] <@melanieb> Just depends on how much you lose sleep like I do
[14:02] <icetwy> Yeah
[14:02] <Booney> E ven though I only had 2 recent lucids, controle has never been a prolem. DJing has made me familiar with the dreamworld I guess. Everything just goes.
[14:02] <icetwy> I should plan something out, but that'd mostly go through increasing my sleeptime
[14:02] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> hey NewArtemis !!
[14:02] <@CanisLucidus> NewArtemis: OpheliaBlue was just asking how control and stability had been for students lately
[14:03] <Jawad> Then Why in lesson two its written 90 mins?
[14:03] <@Chimpertainment> executing WILD after a WBTB can be very difficuly
[14:03] <@Chimpertainment> difficult*
[14:03] <Jawad> The best times to schedule this is at 90-minute
[14:03] <NewArtemis> well, i havent had a lucid since that totm dream i had, but it was surprisingly good! esp since i wake myself up easily
[14:03] <icetwy> Jawad: A sleep cycle usually lasts 90 mins.
[14:03] <icetwy> You've got to go through some sleep cycles before doing WBTB
[14:04] <@Chimpertainment> coinedentally..i just had a short nap and a successful LD
[14:04] <@CanisLucidus> NewArtemis: Nearly a double TotM... straight-up killer!
[14:04] <Jawad> ok
[14:04] <icetwy> Hence why any time between 4h-6h after you went to sleep is a good time to WBTB.
[14:04] <@melanieb> the most common times being after between 4 and 6 hours. This can be done either with an alarm or auto-suggestion.
[14:05] <@melanieb> Ha...we both wrote it
[14:05] <icetwy> :p
[14:05] <Booney> I have to go now. Back to work! Cya!
[14:05] <NewArtemis> bye
[14:05] <icetwy> I've found a great way to wake up when I have to WBTB.
[14:05] <@melanieb> Be wwell Booney
[14:05] <@Chimpertainment> i find the key to WBTB is how long you stay up combined with sufficient relaxation when you go back to sleep
[14:05] <@CanisLucidus> See you later Booney !
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[14:05] <icetwy> Bye Booney
[14:05] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
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[14:05] <@melanieb> Being able to fall asleep easily helps with WBTB
[14:05] <icetwy> Chimpertainment: you're lucky if you're able to stay up for quite a long time during WBTB
[14:06] <icetwy> melanieb: definitely. but being tired also helps imo
[14:06] <@melanieb> That's what I mean
[14:06] <@Chimpertainment> well, i can stay up as long as i need to, but its more about finding what works for you
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[14:06] <NewArtemis> the problem i've been having with WILD is just falling asleep. How do I retain awareness?
[14:06] <@CanisLucidus> Chimpertainment: Yes, going to 30 minutes with WBTB seemed to help me out. I can't afford longer or I'd try it.
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[14:06] <@OpheliaBlue> wb realdealmagic
[14:06] <icetwy> CanisLucidus; Ye lucky. :p
[14:07] <@melanieb> NewArtemis, try counting...and when you start to find yourself losing count start over
[14:07] <@melanieb> Again and again
[14:07] <@OpheliaBlue> NewArtemis: I incubate a dream during this time. It's juuuust enough to keep my mind awake as I fall asleep
[14:07] <@Chimpertainment> NewArtemis: there is a sweet spot between relaxation and awareness...
[14:07] <@melanieb> But visualize the numbers floating in space in front of you
[14:07] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it's a sweet spot, and it's different for everyone
[14:07] <@melanieb> Hi realdealmagic
[14:07] <@CanisLucidus> NewArtemis: Was your previous LD a WILD?
[14:07] <@Chimpertainment> fir shure
[14:07] <NewArtemis> alright, i'll try that. thanks
[14:08] <NewArtemis> Canis: Nope, all lucids I've had are DILD
[14:08] <@melanieb> Nothing wrong with DILD
[14:08] <icetwy> hmm.
[14:08] <icetwy> I was wondering.
[14:08] <NewArtemis> and in all of those I'm pretty sure someone or I said "At least this is a dream" or something similar
[14:08] <@Chimpertainment> ive been attempting to imagine random images when I WILD...gets interesting but no dream entries yet
[14:08] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: I hope not, since it seems to be what I keep coming back to every time
[14:09] <icetwy> I think that staying semi-lucid in my dreams is caused by my RCs
[14:09] <icetwy> Rather than -asking- myself whether I'm dreaming, I should properly say during my RCs
[14:09] <icetwy> "I am dreaming."
[14:09] <icetwy> then go along with the RCs
[14:09] <@melanieb> That would be a good thing to say
[14:09] <@Chimpertainment> !brb
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[14:09] <icetwy> No questions asked; it's an affirmation
[14:10] <@melanieb> CanisLucidus, I get more DILDs than anything
[14:10] <@melanieb> Dreams can be funny like that...having intent and knowing things leads to greater success
[14:11] <NewArtemis> melanie: is there anything special you do to get more of them? i've tried RCing during the day but it hasn't helped
[14:11] <@OpheliaBlue> affirmations are good!
[14:11] <icetwy> NewArtemis: How do you RC?
[14:11] <Jawad> From Now I am going to start follow combination of DILD and WBTB. And will keep posting my all experiences in workbook.
[14:11] <icetwy> and yeah they are, Ophelia
[14:11] <@OpheliaBlue> I do that when I have false awakenings. I'm not going to lose anythign by being wrong (unless I jump out a window for an rc lol)
[14:11] <icetwy> loool
[14:11] <icetwy> hey
[14:11] <icetwy> next thing to do
[14:11] <@Chimpertainment|BRB> !back
[14:11] <Jawad> may I leave Now? Because its 1:30 AM here.
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[14:11] <icetwy> suicide for a RC
[14:12] <icetwy> lmao.
[14:12] <NewArtemis> during the day I ask myself, look at my hands b/c theyre usually weird in dreams...if the question comes up in my dream i can immedietly tell
[14:12] <@OpheliaBlue> I'd rather just assume it's a dream, then let it unfold, rather than be like "Oh, I'm not dreaming" then wake up and facepalm
[14:12] <icetwy> Jawad: sleep is more important than #DVA. Go to sleep if you can/want
[14:12] <@CanisLucidus> Jawad: Of course you can slip out whenever you need, have a great night!
[14:12] <icetwy> Yeah.
[14:12] <NewArtemis> or i look at faces, they kind of shift around a little
[14:12] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^ same
[14:12] <icetwy> hmm, well, NewArtemis.
[14:12] <@OpheliaBlue> and yeah after time you get used to that feeling, and RCs just become kinda superfluous
[14:13] <@CanisLucidus> NewArtemis: Were you ever able to integrate a WBTB? I know that you have the "oh hell, now I'm up" problem once you get up even temporarily.
[14:13] <@melanieb> @newartemis....no, I myself don't do anything special because they just happen for me....it's more luck than anything...being on the forum has influenced frequency
[14:13] <@melanieb> Being aware of things like my dreamsigns while awake helps
[14:13] <NewArtemis> honestly I haven't really tried, right now i wake up cause husband snores, and im just "RAGHGHhhhh" and fall back asleep
[14:13] <icetwy> oh, quick control question
[14:13] <icetwy> AH, NewArtemis.
[14:14] <icetwy> Use earplugs.
[14:14] <@Chimpertainment> oooo
[14:14] <Jawad> ok Thank you so much. Take care all of you. Bye Bye :-)
[14:14] <icetwy> My nights have been pure magic since I've started using earplugs
[14:14] <@Chimpertainment> you could use the snoring as an anchor
[14:14] <icetwy> Night Jawad
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[14:14] <@melanieb> Being woken by snores might help
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[14:15] <NewArtemis> hahaha i hadn't even considered using that as an aid
[14:15] <@melanieb> Do you have time, NewArtemis, to play with your sleep schedule or is rest more important?
[14:15] <@Chimpertainment> i like to use the bathroom, and take a drink when I WBTB
[14:15] <@melanieb> I tend to function welll on little sleep which is why I ask...some people don't
[14:15] <@CanisLucidus> NewArtemis: LOL @ the snoring. Honestly, almost all of my LDs have come from WBTB. Only a few exceptions to that.
[14:16] <NewArtemis> pretty soon i can play, finals are right now though. plus husband's work schedule is shifting to a more normal time
[14:16] <@CanisLucidus> If you could wake up from the snoring, spend 20-30 minutes doing LD-related stuff like filling out your dream journal, then go back to bed, your odds do go way up
[14:16] <NewArtemis> heh I will try that too he's going to get a kick out of it, i think
[14:16] <@melanieb> How soon after going to bed does his snoring wake you?
[14:17] <NewArtemis> eh, pretty soon? probably in the first hour, then every two or three
[14:17] <NewArtemis> he goes to sleep first always
[14:18] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: thanks for helping blackbird, I hope she can get in. I'm thinking abotu switching from KVirc to icechat myself
[14:18] <@CanisLucidus> NewArtemis: My wife would so want to high-five you right now. She says the same stuff about me.
[14:18] <icetwy> NewArtemis: my dad always snores at night.
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[14:18] <icetwy> I was about to pop a round in my head last week
[14:18] <icetwy> seriously
[14:18] <NewArtemis> lol my dad does too. it drives my mom up the wall
[14:18] <@OpheliaBlue> hi Neplock
[14:18] <Neplock> hello
[14:19] <icetwy> Do you live in the US, NewArtemis?
[14:19] <NewArtemis> yes, texas
[14:19] <icetwy> rah
[14:19] <icetwy> amazing
[14:19] <@OpheliaBlue> woot TEXASS
[14:19] <icetwy> go to a CVS
[14:19] <icetwy> or a walgreens
[14:19] <icetwy> or w/e
[14:19] <@CanisLucidus> Aw yeah Texas!
[14:19] <icetwy> and buy a huuuuuuge box of earplugs
[14:19] <@CanisLucidus> Are like all of us in Texas or what
[14:19] <@OpheliaBlue> Texas DV Chic Convention (comming soon)
[14:19] <icetwy> I bought two or three when I was in the US
[14:19] <NewArtemis> it seems so...
[14:19] <@OpheliaBlue> oh and guys can come too
[14:19] <NewArtemis> lol
[14:20] <icetwy> offer me a plane ticket, hehe
[14:20] <@OpheliaBlue> mel is in TX too
[14:20] <icetwy> and I might come.
[14:20] <NewArtemis> i go shooting a lot so I have some earplugs from that
[14:20] <@OpheliaBlue> 18 +, sorry
[14:20] <@Chimpertainment> ive been searching for dreaming conventions..
[14:20] <@CanisLucidus> ha ha ha... oh melanieb too? wow
[14:20] <icetwy> Hahaha
[14:20] <@Chimpertainment> not too many around
[14:20] <NewArtemis> damn, everyone is from texas!
[14:20] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah and Link and Alyzarin
[14:20] <@Chimpertainment> i am NOT from texas
[14:20] <icetwy> ooh. I've gotta meet Alyzarin.
[14:20] <icetwy> Her LD experiments with drugs are fascinating.
[14:20] <@CanisLucidus> This is amazing!
[14:20] <@Chimpertainment>
[14:21] <NewArtemis> lol that convention would be fun as hell
[14:21] <@CanisLucidus> icetwy: What, you're not fascinated with my apple juice drinking? And my allergic reactions to mangoes? lol
[14:21] <icetwy> Haha, I'll buy some apple juice this weekend
[14:21] <@OpheliaBlue> are yo ureally allergic to mangoes CanisLucidus ?
[14:21] <icetwy> I ought to try that
[14:21] <icetwy> and mangoes are deliciosoooooos
[14:21] <icetwy> too bad you're allergic
[14:21] <icetwy> HAH
[14:21] <@CanisLucidus> Mango skin! It contains urushiol, which is basically poison ivy
[14:22] <@CanisLucidus> So when I ate it right out of the skin I totally gave myself facial poison ivy... lol
[14:22] <NewArtemis> that sucks so bad. not that i really eat mangos. but they are tasty.
[14:22] <@CanisLucidus> I got lucid, tho, so I was kinda like... eh, that was maybe worth it
[14:22] <NewArtemis> im allergic to most other things though...
[14:22] <@OpheliaBlue> whaaaaaat? no way, not the same as poison ivy, is it?
[14:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I've eaten it
[14:22] <NewArtemis> did you have a swollen up face in your dream?
[14:22] <@OpheliaBlue> lol you're allergic and still ate it haha
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[14:22] <@melanieb> Yikes
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[14:23] <@CanisLucidus> Totally the same. It's only super sensitive people that get this.
[14:23] <@OpheliaBlue> now that's an LD trooper right there
[14:23] <icetwy> I'm not allergic to anything.
[14:23] <icetwy> :3
[14:23] <@melanieb> hi yomi^ and Squilli0
[14:23] <@Chimpertainment> hey yomi^ and Squilli0
[14:23] <Squilli0> I'm allergic to dust
[14:23] <@OpheliaBlue> ji yomi^ and Squilli0
[14:23] <@CanisLucidus> I only found out about this whole thing when I did the mango experiment, had awesome results... and then got an itchy swollen face two days later
[14:23] <@Chimpertainment> JINX
[14:23] <Squilli0> Hi Chimp
[14:23] <TwilightShawn> Have you tried dried mangos? No skin=no allergic reaction?
[14:23] <icetwy> hola yomi^ ans Squilli0
[14:23] <yomi^> yo...
[14:23] <@CanisLucidus> Hi Squilli0 ! Hey yomi^
[14:23] <@melanieb> Itchy = not gonna do it
[14:23] <@melanieb>
[14:23] <@OpheliaBlue> you can get frozen mango chunks too, without the skin
[14:23] <icetwy> I'm allergic to industrial ice creams, by the looks of it.
[14:24] <@CanisLucidus> I can definitely eat mango, no problem
[14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm allergic to penicillin
[14:24] <@Chimpertainment> i was really close to WILDing when first going to bed the other night
[14:24] <NewArtemis> that sucks
[14:24] <Squilli0> Is there anyway to join dva on iphone?
[14:24] <@CanisLucidus> When I am feeling less shell shocked about it, I'll do the mangos in adifferent form
[14:24] <icetwy> I used to have red patches all over my skin when I ate ice cream. :/
[14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> Squilli0: I have, but it's a paaaaaaaaaain in the asssssssssss
[14:24] <Squilli0> damn
[14:24] <@melanieb> Does webchat work for phones?
[14:24] <@CanisLucidus> I am almost totally recovered but a few days there... woo, not good. Had to take Benadryl. BTW: Benadryl not so wonderful for dreaming
[14:24] <icetwy> Download AndroIRC if you're on Android.
[14:24] <NewArtemis> someone should make an app for that
[14:24] <@Chimpertainment> android has a irc app
[14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: yeah but the sizes get all weird
[14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> it actually worked better on the blackberry
[14:25] <@CanisLucidus> icetwy: Ice cream allergy! brutal
[14:25] <@melanieb> I'll just stick to here
[14:25] <NewArtemis> or really good, if you're on a diet
[14:25] <@OpheliaBlue> NewArtemis: I agree!
[14:25] <icetwy> CanisLucidus: It really depends, Canis.
[14:25] <icetwy> damn
[14:25] <icetwy> the hell
[14:25] <icetwy> it depends on the kind of ice cream
[14:25] <icetwy> I'll never, ever touch those ice creams in boxes
[14:25] <icetwy> as in..
[14:25] <@OpheliaBlue> Dreyer's
[14:26] <@melanieb> Blue Bell...the best ice-cream in the country!
[14:26] <NewArtemis> box ice cream?
[14:26] <@OpheliaBlue> or in your case, Le Dreyer's
[14:26] <icetwy> http://imalbum.aufeminin.com/album/D..._H185346_L.jpg
[14:26] <icetwy> I think it's the ice cream that got me allergic.
[14:26] <@OpheliaBlue> watch out for Le Vanilla, it'll mess you up
[14:26] <@melanieb> OpheliaBlue, blackbirdrising is still trying to connect
[14:26] <@melanieb> I gave her some info
[14:26] <NewArtemis> tree nuts! D:<
[14:26] <@melanieb> Keep an eye on Meta
[14:26] <@OpheliaBlue> that link is to a picture of a single white pixel
[14:26] <icetwy> I mean
[14:27] <@OpheliaBlue> ok mel, thanks
[14:27] <icetwy> That stuff is delicious
[14:27] <icetwy> but at what cost.. :/
[14:27] <Squilli0> I had my first LD after 2 weeks last night
[14:27] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: When I refreshed it turned into french ice cream
[14:27] <@melanieb> I'm about to go get my kiddo
[14:27] <icetwy> Congrats, Squilli0!
[14:27] <Squilli0> Thanks!
[14:27] <@OpheliaBlue> yay Squilli0 congrats!
[14:27] <@melanieb> Back later...pleasant dreams everyone!
[14:27] <@melanieb> !away
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[14:27] <icetwy> French ice cream. haha.
[14:27] <NewArtemis> so is guacamole, so sometimes i eat it anyway. when im feeling hungry and masochistic.
[14:27] <Squilli0> I listened to some good advice I got from CanisLucidus
[14:27] <@CanisLucidus> Squilli0: Awesome, dude! Congratulations
[14:28] <Squilli0> Thanks mate, it would be mostly due to your advice
[14:28] <NewArtemis> congrats squilli0!
[14:28] <icetwy> CanisLucidus is a helpful folk and a happy dad.
[14:28] <@CanisLucidus> Was this my advice: "Have a lucid dream! Now! NOW!!"
[14:28] <icetwy> loool
[14:28] <@OpheliaBlue> well done CanisLucidus ! you are a super teacher
[14:28] <Squilli0> Lol
[14:28] <icetwy> note, Canis
[14:28] <Squilli0> Nah it wasn't liek that at all canis
[14:28] <@CanisLucidus> Thanks OpheliaBlue and icetwy
[14:28] <Squilli0> like*
[14:28] <icetwy> f.lux IS amazing
[14:28] <icetwy> I can't stop repeating it.
[14:29] <icetwy> but it seriously is
[14:29] <Squilli0> Unfortunately I got woken up by a family member
[14:29] <Squilli0> But such things happen
[14:29] <icetwy> Hah.
[14:29] <NewArtemis> i would have punched them
[14:29] <@CanisLucidus> So you were able to stabilize and everything??
[14:29] <yomi^> hm....
[14:29] <@Chimpertainment> thats probly goof
[14:29] <@Chimpertainment> good
[14:29] <Squilli0> The awesome thing is that I didn't have to
[14:29] <NewArtemis> what did you do in it?
[14:29] <icetwy> raaaaaaaah. what a lucky fella
[14:30] <Squilli0> I just sort of nonchalantly replayed the last 5 minutes events and gained lucidity
[14:30] <icetwy> that's grand, lad!
[14:30] <Squilli0> I didn't get around to doing much
[14:30] <Squilli0> I tried teleporting
[14:30] <Squilli0> But my Subconscious intervened
[14:30] <Squilli0> And sent me into a hellish-mario like dimension
[14:30] <@OpheliaBlue> hehe
[14:30] <Squilli0> It would have been great for last months purgatory task
[14:30] <@OpheliaBlue> that subC is my best frenemy
[14:31] <@CanisLucidus> That's great, really happy for you!
[14:31] <@CanisLucidus> Squilli0: LOL @ purgatory
[14:31] <@OpheliaBlue> hey, but the more you get lucid, the more tools you learn that work for you
[14:31] <Squilli0> Yeah, my flying is patchy, if existent
[14:31] <@OpheliaBlue> Iike I learned that I can push my face through any surface, so I can use that to scene change
[14:31] <@Chimpertainment> matrix
[14:32] <@OpheliaBlue> I was thinking mroe stargate, but that works too
[14:32] <Squilli0> Yeah I've tried jumping through a lake and reversing gravity to fall through the other side
[14:32] <icetwy> Ophelia: Do you have at least one LD per night?
[14:32] <@OpheliaBlue> oh wow
[14:32] <Squilli0> That was in my sort of sandbox dream
[14:32] <@Chimpertainment> stargate shmargate
[14:32] <icetwy> hell, that's absolutely noice, Squilli0.
[14:32] <Squilli0> 10 points for creativity, 0 for execution
[14:32] <@OpheliaBlue> icetwy: I'll have lucid streaks where it's every night, then a dry spell, etc. But I average a few a week. Depends on my work schedule alot
[14:32] <Squilli0> It didn't work
[14:33] <icetwy> ah? what do you do for a living?
[14:33] <@CanisLucidus> I llike these teleport ideas. I don't have a general teleport dialed in... best I can do is fly in one direction and think I'm coming at what I want.
[14:33] <@OpheliaBlue> what would happen next time Squilli0 if you just jumped into the lake and explored underwater instead? You know, using what you have in front of you already
[14:33] <@Chimpertainment> it would be so awesome to lucid every night
[14:33] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it would
[14:34] <icetwy> though..
[14:34] <@Chimpertainment> self affirmation::: it WILL BE awesome when I lucid dream every night
[14:34] <@CanisLucidus> Chimpertainment: Hell yeah
[14:34] <icetwy> You said it!
[14:34] <@Chimpertainment> and ill say it again too
[14:34] <NewArtemis> do you guys feel more tired after you have a ld?
[14:34] <@OpheliaBlue> will will will*
[14:34] <Squilli0> Ophelia: I would try that but I live practically on a lake and nothing really happens in it
[14:34] <@Chimpertainment> but maybe anothing time
[14:34] <@Chimpertainment> another*
[14:35] <@OpheliaBlue> NewArtemis: usually I feel more energized! but that could be from the adrenaline from accomplishing the LD
[14:35] <&Oldsparta|Away> !back
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[14:35] <@CanisLucidus> NewArtemis: For me it is usually the opposite. I feel extremely amped usually.
[14:35] <@OpheliaBlue> wb Oldsparta
[14:35] <&Oldsparta> ty
[14:35] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, major amped
[14:35] <@Chimpertainment> Squilli0: anything like water is good for scene changes...you can even dunk your head under, expect a new scene and come back up
[14:36] <Squilli0> Yeah, my friend told me that he's tried covering his eyes, and then removing his hands and expecting a new scene
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[14:36] <Squilli0> I wouldnt do it though
[14:36] <@Chimpertainment> yep
[14:36] <@Chimpertainment> i try to close my eyes to change scenes..
[14:36] <@Chimpertainment> although that tends to use too much concentration
[14:36] <Squilli0> I've almost lost lucidity a couple of times due to my dream eyes being closed
[14:36] <@Chimpertainment> so indirect control is typically better
[14:36] <@OpheliaBlue> me too
[14:36] <@Chimpertainment> ya
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[14:36] <@OpheliaBlue> my dream eyes are idiots right now
[14:36] <@OpheliaBlue> wb Oceandrop
[14:36] <Oceandrop> thx
[14:37] <@Chimpertainment> your dream eyes are idiots....lol
[14:37] <@Chimpertainment> like smurfs
[14:37] <icetwy> the cool thing with LDs though
[14:37] <@OpheliaBlue> evil smurfs from hell
[14:37] <icetwy> is that even if you don't get one straight off
[14:37] <@Chimpertainment> ooooooo
[14:37] <@OpheliaBlue> my lucid eyesight is the best when I ignore it
[14:37] <icetwy> you still build up confidence from your previous successes
[14:37] <Squilli0> Does anyone have suggestions for cool things to do in dreams? Next on my list is riding a rollercoaster
[14:38] <@Chimpertainment> morph into an animal
[14:38] <@OpheliaBlue> Squilli0: have you checked out the TOTMs?
[14:38] <@OpheliaBlue> present and past
[14:38] <icetwy> I'm going to try a new guitar.
[14:38] <Squilli0> Yeah, I might try the basic one of making it snow
[14:38] <NewArtemis> morphing is awesome. i want to lavasurf
[14:38] <@CanisLucidus> Squilli0: TotM is great... super motivational
[14:38] <@OpheliaBlue> I really loved going underwater and looking at prehistoric marine dinosaurs
[14:38] <@OpheliaBlue> Xanous had an epic one like that
[14:38] <Squilli0> Yeah, the last one gave me 4 attempts spanning one and a half weeks
[14:39] <Squilli0> It was great
[14:39] <@OpheliaBlue> haha lavasurf? oh my
[14:39] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Strongly seconded, Xanous' ocean TotM is the best DEILDing material I've ever read
[14:39] <@OpheliaBlue> I would so chicken out
[14:39] <Squilli0> I've read that I think
[14:39] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, when Xanous is en point, he rocks.
[14:39] <Squilli0> With the rather irate prehistoric ocean dinosaurs?
[14:39] <@OpheliaBlue> mine were the irate ones haha
[14:40] <Squilli0> Ah okay
[14:40] <icetwy> nice usage of a French expression, Ophelia. ^^
[14:40] <@OpheliaBlue> Xanous's was like something out of national geograpic.. then it ended in some trophy sex
[14:40] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks icetwy
[14:40] <@CanisLucidus> CanisLucidus: Cretaceous is "the one that got away" for me. I'll come back to that one some day for sure... I like to think of my failures as "temporary"
[14:40] <Squilli0> Oh that one
[14:40] <Squilli0> Yeah I read that with a David Attenborough voice
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[14:40] <@OpheliaBlue> hi Xyvoch
[14:40] <Xyvoch> hey ophelia
[14:40] <Squilli0> I'm probably goingto have to go now
[14:41] <Squilli0> Bye everyone
[14:41] <@OpheliaBlue> ok see ya Squilli0
[14:41] <Xyvoch> and hi oreo and ocean
[14:41] <@Chimpertainment> bye bye now
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[14:41] <@CanisLucidus> The first half of Xanous' task of the month was like half a dozen DEILD chains filled with nightmare material before he even got on the road.
[14:41] <@OpheliaBlue> I'd forgotten about that
[14:41] <@OpheliaBlue> wonder what he ate the night before
[14:41] <@CanisLucidus> yeah for real... it was insane
[14:41] <@Chimpertainment> shnozzberries...
[14:41] <icetwy> nightmares surely ain't cool.
[14:41] <NewArtemis> i really want to join in with that "draw your dreams" thread, but i suck at drawing. esp on the comp
[14:41] <@OpheliaBlue> my demon ones used to be like that, but that was before I learned how to WILD
[14:42] <icetwy> has anyone ever had a lucid nightmare?
[14:42] <Oceandrop> I have to finish the tast of the month to post my idea for the year 2013 tasks :'D
[14:42] <icetwy> WITHOUT changing it into a cool LD
[14:42] <NewArtemis> that would suck
[14:42] <@Chimpertainment> icetwy: indeed
[14:42] <Oceandrop> I had them as kid icetwy
[14:42] <@OpheliaBlue> NewArtemis: you can just patch stuff together from other pics on the net. Like with Gimp
[14:42] <icetwy> How are they?
[14:42] <@CanisLucidus> Lucidity is awesome for nightmares. Going lucid in a nightmare has been some of my best LD experiences.
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[14:42] <Oceandrop> Scary lol I was a kid! Watcha thinking XD
[14:42] <Oceandrop> but in one I just flied away
[14:42] <icetwy> Haha
[14:42] <Oceandrop> and later ah too long story
[14:42] <Oceandrop>
[14:42] <icetwy> wurstes surrounding you
[14:43] <icetwy> lmao
[14:43] <@OpheliaBlue> Oceandrop: and anyone else interested: PM me ideas for TOTM or TOTY anytime and I'll add them.
[14:43] <Oceandrop> Oh neat
[14:43] <@OpheliaBlue> Participating in #DVA counts
[14:43] <@Chimpertainment> lucidity doesnt always change the nightmare for me, but its definitely different
[14:43] <Oceandrop> I will do this :-)
[14:43] <@OpheliaBlue> (Mancon said it was ok)
[14:43] <Oceandrop> okay, and if not, I will just finish this god damn Task of the month about letting it snow! haha ;O
[14:43] <@CanisLucidus> Chimpertainment: Good point. I've perhaps been lucky and always been able to turn it around. I don't always handle it communicatively like I should. (I've fled by air before, heh heh...)
[14:43] <@OpheliaBlue> sounds good! I really want to meet up with a Xmas ghost
[14:44] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: I got the aurora borelis last night! So amazing
[14:44] <Oceandrop> Btw, I have a question about the aurora one
[14:44] <@OpheliaBlue> whaaaaaaaaaat?
[14:44] <Oceandrop> Wait a sec
[14:44] <NewArtemis> i really want to do the aurora task, im thinking maybe something with synesthesia if my brain will let me
[14:44] <@OpheliaBlue> swweet.. folks are killing these tasks. I need to make January's way harder
[14:45] * NewArtemis goes to read Canis' journal
[14:45] <Oceandrop> Noo pls, at least one easy one haha
[14:45] <@CanisLucidus> It was insane. Brought my son's DC along with me
[14:45] <@OpheliaBlue> I need to wing twoshadow also, her dreams are always bad ass
[14:45] <@CanisLucidus> NewArtemis: Sorry, still gotta write it up
[14:45] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, write it up!!
[14:45] <Oceandrop> oh nvm, @ question I was confused by: Create an aurora borealis of your own while you're up there. but now I get it lol dunno why it had confused me so
[14:45] <@CanisLucidus> I have noticed that twoshadows is extremely skilled... she did something creative with the headless task, escapes me now
[14:45] <Xyvoch> hi oceandrop
[14:46] <Oceandrop> Hey my french friend
[14:46] <icetwy> wut
[14:46] <icetwy> are you French, Xyvoch?
[14:46] <Oceandrop> As French as you I must sadly say
[14:46] <Oceandrop> :/
[14:46] <icetwy> haaaaan
[14:46] <Oceandrop> ;p
[14:46] <icetwy> mais fallait dire plus tôt, Xyvoch
[14:46] <Oceandrop> ah sad me, but luckily he can also talk the must cultivated language of the world
[14:46] <Oceandrop> Nicht wahr, Xyvoch :]?
[14:47] <@Chimpertainment> omg..fornneerrrrzzzz
[14:47] <yomi^> wbtb...
[14:47] <@OpheliaBlue> ja, wir haben Deutschers and Franzosichers
[14:47] <@OpheliaBlue> woot.
[14:47] <Oceandrop> Und Amerikaner :O
[14:47] <Oceandrop> Und viele andere
[14:47] <@Chimpertainment> das ist spitz!
[14:47] <Oceandrop> Anyway I will pm you my idea for the TOTY right away
[14:47] <Xyvoch> no german here
[14:47] <Oceandrop> Hey!
[14:47] <@CanisLucidus> Wunderbar!!
[14:47] <@Chimpertainment> swinehund!!
[14:48] <@OpheliaBlue> ausgezeichnet
[14:48] <Oceandrop> Beyonce Countdown Spoof for 4/20 - CollegeHumor Video
[14:48] <Demonbot> Title: Beyonce Countdown Spoof for 4/20 - CollegeHumor Video (at CollegeHumor - Funny Videos, Funny Pictures, Funny Links!)
[14:48] <Oceandrop> love that song
[14:48] <@OpheliaBlue> ok Oceandrop
[14:48] <Oceandrop> her dance moves
[14:48] <Oceandrop> <3
[14:48] <Xyvoch> Das geht alles vom thema ab! Das geht nicht! D:
[14:48] <Oceandrop> D:
[14:48] <icetwy> Oceandrop; what's the name of that Rammstein song about America
[14:48] <icetwy> ?
[14:48] <Oceandrop> Amerika
[14:48] <icetwy> fair enough, lol
[14:48] <@Chimpertainment> we all live in americaaaaaaaa
[14:48] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah get back on topic
[14:49] <@OpheliaBlue> I met til limdemann once!
[14:49] <@OpheliaBlue> lind*
[14:49] <@Chimpertainment> american dreamzzzzzzzz
[14:49] <NewArtemis> lol
[14:49] <@Chimpertainment> i met your mom once....
[14:49] <@OpheliaBlue> Oh hey, any of y'll dream in another language other than your first?
[14:49] <@OpheliaBlue> I speak german in dreams alot
[14:49] <@Chimpertainment> every once in a blue moon ya
[14:49] <@OpheliaBlue> not ALOT, occasionally
[14:49] <@CanisLucidus> Oohh good one! I never dream auf Deutsch. I should try speaking it in a dream.
[14:49] <@Chimpertainment> its never a language i actually know
[14:50] <NewArtemis> in my head i do. it's just not really another language usually. although when i was taking spanish for a while I did some
[14:50] <icetwy> OH
[14:50] <icetwy> Best LD goal ever.
[14:50] <@OpheliaBlue> that would be a nice basic task: memorize something in a foreign language, then write or recite it in an LD
[14:50] <NewArtemis> i cant speak worth a darn but i used to understand most things
[14:50] <icetwy> Morph into Rammstein's singer.
[14:50] <icetwy> Sing "Mein Teil"
[14:50] <@Chimpertainment> okie dokie, me gotta go babysit the next ruler of the world
[14:50] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaaaa
[14:50] <icetwy> summon a human corpse
[14:50] <@Chimpertainment> peace yall
[14:50] <icetwy> and... cut the teil
[14:50] <icetwy>
[14:50] <@OpheliaBlue> lol Chimpertainment ok see ya
[14:51] <icetwy> See ya, Chimpertainment
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[14:51] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Great task idea! I'll be selecting easy and speaking German. Someone else with more skills can write some Mandarin.
[14:51] <TwilightShawn> Gotta go too!
[14:51] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya TwilightShawn
[14:51] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks for coming
[14:51] <@CanisLucidus> Later TwilightShawn !
[14:51] <TwilightShawn> Later guys!
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[14:51] <@OpheliaBlue> something maybe like "Ich heisse Lisa." and write it down too
[14:52] <@OpheliaBlue> that stuff really gets your rational mind working in an LD
[14:53] <@CanisLucidus> Aw yeah, would you do the German style double-S that looks like a B?
[14:53] <@CanisLucidus> I think that would melt my brain
[14:53] <icetwy> ah, you clearly never had a German class
[14:53] <yomi^> you mean this
[14:54] <yomi^> ß
[14:54] <icetwy> We all live in Amerika
[14:54] <icetwy> Amerikaaaaaaa
[14:54] <icetwy> Amerikaaaaaaaaaa
[14:54] <@OpheliaBlue> they don't use that anymore, only "ss"
[14:54] <@OpheliaBlue> because of keyboards and such
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[14:54] <@OpheliaBlue> hi santoryu
[14:54] <santoryu> hello
[14:55] <@CanisLucidus> Oh do they seriously not use that now? Gee I am really dating my German education.
[14:55] <@CanisLucidus> hi santoryu !
[14:55] <@OpheliaBlue> it's old-fashioned
[14:55] <@OpheliaBlue> we can still use it because we're old haha
[14:55] <@OpheliaBlue> ich heiße Lisa
[14:55] <@OpheliaBlue> that would be a fun task
[14:55] <@CanisLucidus> All I'll say is that when I was learning German as a kid they still used that, ha ha
[14:56] <@CanisLucidus> But now they tell me that U2 is classic rock, so I guess time marches on
[14:56] <@CanisLucidus> Anyway, cool task
[14:56] <NewArtemis> just how old are you guys?
[14:56] <yomi^> I...
[14:56] <@CanisLucidus> You're guessing 174 probably after all this talk I'm 34.
[14:57] <icetwy> Classic rock?
[14:57] <yomi^> nevermind...
[14:57] <icetwy> That'd be Lynyrd Skynyrd by my standards.
[14:57] <NewArtemis> that's not old!
[14:57] <yomi^> you don't need to know.
[14:57] <icetwy> woah.
[14:57] <icetwy> you're twice as old as me.
[14:57] <@CanisLucidus> I agree! Listen to NewArtemis, she knows what she's talking about!
[14:57] <icetwy> I'm 16.
[14:57] <@OpheliaBlue> yea it was fairly recent that they changed the ß to ss.. also instead of umlautes, they just add e after the vowel
[14:57] <icetwy> Really, Ophelia?
[14:57] <yomi^> ßßßß.....
[14:57] <@CanisLucidus> No umlauts anymore? Was ist los??
[14:58] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm guessing to make it more standardized for other countries trying to type
[14:58] <icetwy> Gonna tell this to my German teacher - she's a native German.
[14:58] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, ask if that's the deal. pretty sure I didn't make it up
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[14:58] <@OpheliaBlue> geuss I could just google it
[14:59] <@OpheliaBlue> ok 2 more min and I'm logging class then I gotta go
[14:59] <@OpheliaBlue> any last words?
[14:59] <NewArtemis> why god why
[14:59] <@CanisLucidus> lol
[14:59] <Oceandrop> haha
[15:00] <@OpheliaBlue> nice
[15:00] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
[15:00] == OpheliaBlue has changed nick to OpheliaBlue|Away
[15:00] <@OpheliaBlue|Away> thanks for joining / helping today guys!

Next #DVA Chat Time is Friday, December 7th from 8pm - 9pm CST. That's 6pm - 7pm Pacific. 9pm - 10pm Eastern. Probably like 2am or 3am for you Europeans, sorry. But I have a 2 hour meeting before that.

Next week's time TBA

Friday, December 7th, 8pm Chat:

(also, RareCola and I recorded a podcast covering the December TOTMs here:
http://www.dreamviews.com/f158/dream...r-totm-138728/

Spoiler for #DVA:

[19:57] == OpheliaBlue changed the topic of #DVA to: TOPIC: December Tasks of the Month
[19:58] <hathor28> lol a class
[20:00] <hathor28> oh ya what is decembers task
[20:00] <frobthebuilder> lagging on irc?
[20:00] <frobthebuilder> how does that even
[20:01] <Burke> it's 9:01 :O
[20:01] <hathor28> it's not video games here frob lol
[20:02] <@paigeyemps> I'm excited about doing the december tasks
[20:02] <hathor28> ya 902
[20:02] <@RareCola> And podcast is up just in time for the start of the class! http://www.dreamviews.com/f158/dream...r-totm-138728/
[20:02] <@OpheliaBlue> !back
[20:02] <@paigeyemps> I already did the snow one a few lucids back, but it'd be cool to do it again
[20:02] <@paigeyemps> Wb ophie :3
[20:02] <@OpheliaBlue> oh derp, I was alreaady back I guess
[20:02] <@paigeyemps> YAY MUST DOWNLOAD FROM ITUNES
[20:02] <@OpheliaBlue> YAY thanks RareCola
[20:03] <hathor28> snow pfft i had a very bad dream worse than snow few months ago
[20:03] <@RareCola> Probably won't be up on iTunes just yet
[20:03] <Burke> what is this... FOUR tasks!?
[20:03] <hathor28> ?
[20:03] <@RareCola> Yep
[20:03] <@OpheliaBlue> yes Burke , been doing 4 tasks lately
[20:03] <@paigeyemps> Oh
[20:04] <@paigeyemps> That's alright, i can download it later :3
[20:04] <@OpheliaBlue> and I gotta say, members have been killing them this week
[20:04] <hathor28> really? what is the tasks
[20:04] <@paigeyemps> I'm not very familiar with the second advanced task though
[20:04] <@paigeyemps> I havent got much reference, is that an american sorta thing?
[20:05] <Burke> yeah
[20:05] <@OpheliaBlue> more English I believe
[20:05] <@OpheliaBlue> Charles Dickens yes?
[20:05] <Burke> i believe
[20:05] <@RareCola> Ah you should watch it, paige!
[20:05] <@RareCola> the movie version
[20:05] <@paigeyemps> I shall!
[20:05] <Burke> Charles Dickens' A CHRISTMAS CAROL
[20:05] <Demonbot> Title: Charles Dickens' A CHRISTMAS CAROL (at STORMFAX® Weather 2012)
[20:05] <@OpheliaBlue> it's a universal theme: "If you messed up in the past and in the present, you'll pay for it in the future. These ghosts will tell ya!"
[20:05] <@paigeyemps> Oooh
[20:06] <@OpheliaBlue> MicroWave`|Away:
[20:06] <@RareCola> They remade the movie recently actually: A Christmas Carol (2009) - IMDb
[20:06] <Demonbot> Title: A Christmas Carol (2009) - IMDb (at IMDb - Movies, TV and Celebrities)
[20:06] <@OpheliaBlue> Oh I like the one with Albert Finny
[20:06] <hathor28> i did task 2 but i didn't make it icy cold in my dream months ago lol
[20:07] <Burke> I should try and create warm snow
[20:07] <Burke> sounds interesting
[20:07] <@OpheliaBlue> OH and the one with Bill Murray: Scrooged. It's an American comedy version of the same story. Updated.
[20:07] <hathor28> if u create warm snow you get rain LOL
[20:07] <@OpheliaBlue> I know what he means.
[20:07] <Burke> you know what i mean P:
[20:07] <Burke> *
[20:08] <@paigeyemps> Hmm
[20:08] <hathor28> ya but not where i am from lol
[20:08] <@paigeyemps> Ophie would it be okay if the snow was mutli-colored?
[20:08] <Burke> logic does not dictate what i can and can't do >
[20:08] <@OpheliaBlue> I don't see why not
[20:08] <@RareCola> !brb a few minutes
[20:08] == RareCola has changed nick to RareCola|BRB
[20:08] * Exotiraan forgot this was today.
[20:08] <hathor28> ya dreams are limitless
[20:09] <@paigeyemps> Awesome
[20:09] <@paigeyemps> I was thinking doing something different this time
[20:09] <hathor28> make cotton candy snow ahaha
[20:09] <@paigeyemps> Might be fun :3
[20:09] <@OpheliaBlue> what other tasks from this month appeal to you guys?
[20:09] <@paigeyemps> The aurora ofc
[20:09] <@paigeyemps> Sounds really interesting
[20:09] <@OpheliaBlue> did you read CanisLucidus's?
[20:10] <@paigeyemps> Not yet D:
[20:10] <Burke> all but the christmas carol one interest me
[20:10] <@paigeyemps> Im trying to catch up to threads :<
[20:10] <Burke> probably because i can do that in real life
[20:10] <@OpheliaBlue> scared of ghosts Burke?
[20:10] <@paigeyemps> Hahah
[20:10] <@OpheliaBlue> ohhhh
[20:10] <@OpheliaBlue> oh?
[20:10] <Burke> the one wher ei have to sing
[20:10] <Burke> not the ghosts one
[20:10] <@OpheliaBlue> OHHH
[20:10] <hathor28> i really don't want any xmas in my dreams,, maybe some but not every day lol
[20:10] <Exotiraan> !totm
[20:10] <Burke> x)
[20:10] <Demonbot> Exotiraan: Basic Task i - Sing a Christmas Carol. Get the lyrics correct. Basic Task ii - Change the weather by making it snow. Advanced Task i - Locate the aurora borealis, fly into the atmosphere and find out who or what is creating it. Create an aurora borealis of your own while you're up there. ~~ Basic Task ii - Change the weather by making it snow. Advanced Task i - Locate the aurora borealis, fly (1 more message)
[20:11] <@OpheliaBlue> but that one engages your rational mind IN a dream
[20:11] <Burke> yeah, i understand why its there
[20:11] <@paigeyemps> I had a brief encounter eith aurorae in the past
[20:11] <Burke> i just didnt find it interesting
[20:11] <@paigeyemps> I saw an aurora and some strings dangling
[20:11] <@OpheliaBlue> you could sing one while attempting one of the other tasks
[20:11] <@paigeyemps> And when i pulled the strings, the lights would go with the,
[20:11] <Exotiraan> That basic tasks sounds harder than it looks. :p
[20:11] <@paigeyemps> Them*
[20:11] <Exotiraan> * task
[20:11] <Burke> sing let it snow and have it actually snow
[20:11] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:11] <@paigeyemps> ^^
[20:12] <hathor28> na too easy
[20:12] <hathor28> lol
[20:12] <@OpheliaBlue> oh while we're here, and since there aren't any of the newest students in here, feel free to submit ideas for the next TOTY
[20:12] <@OpheliaBlue> I know you accomplished that one this year Burke
[20:12] <Burke> hmm......
[20:12] <@paigeyemps> Oh uhm
[20:13] <@paigeyemps> Oceandrop mentioned something interesting the other night
[20:13] <@paigeyemps> Something about recreating the greek myths
[20:13] <hathor28> i actually daydreamed in my dream and made someone appear after that O_O
[20:13] <Burke> greek myths sound interesting
[20:13] <hathor28> it was cool i got to write the DJ
[20:13] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I included Oceandrop's idea
[20:14] <Burke> It shouldn't have anything to do with time travel
[20:14] <@OpheliaBlue> so far people have been posting all kinda of "around the world" ideas and themes
[20:14] <Burke> since that was this years
[20:14] <@OpheliaBlue> ok, good to know, thanks
[20:15] <@OpheliaBlue> I think this time might be more geographical location oriented, than time oriented
[20:15] <Burke> perhaps.... create the wonders of the world?
[20:15] <Burke> like, go to china and build the great wall
[20:15] <@RareCola|BRB> !back
[20:15] == RareCola|BRB has changed nick to RareCola
[20:15] <@OpheliaBlue> haha I totally said the same thing
[20:15] <Burke> go to egypt and build the pyramids
[20:15] <Burke> :/
[20:15] <@OpheliaBlue> no it's a really cool idea!
[20:15] <hathor28> i went there already
[20:15] <@paigeyemps> Ooh burke that sounds great
[20:15] <Burke> Go to each planet in the solar system and do something on them
[20:15] <@RareCola> sounds awesome
[20:16] <Burke> what that is i dont know
[20:16] <hathor28> i travel too much :\
[20:16] <@OpheliaBlue> planets are cool too, I'll add that one too
[20:16] <hathor28> i don't go to planets...too odd
[20:17] <@RareCola> The only space travel I've ever done in a lucid dream is going to the moon
[20:18] <@RareCola> not too exciting
[20:18] <hathor28> but if i do go there i wouldn't control my dream easily, because its too odd
[20:18] <@paigeyemps> I gotta say i really love tasks
[20:18] <hathor28> ya ikr rae
[20:18] <@OpheliaBlue> me toooo
[20:18] <Exotiraan> I only remember "kinda-sorta" going to another planet, once. I'm not sure if that counts, though, because it was pretty much just a game metaverse with users' avatars wandering around in spectator mode.
[20:18] <hathor28> rare
[20:18] <@paigeyemps> It gives lucid dreaming a whole new meaning
[20:18] <@OpheliaBlue> It gives me focus.
[20:19] <Exotiraan> * while I was in spectator
[20:19] <@paigeyemps> Hmm
[20:19] <@paigeyemps> Oh i have an idea
[20:19] <@paigeyemps> Oh nvm, lost my train of thought
[20:19] <@RareCola> It's annoying me that I don't really have time for lucid dreaming at the moment. Back in early summer I could dedicate all day to setting myself up for it but at the moment I only really have time for DILDs
[20:19] <hathor28> lol
[20:20] <Burke> if you dont mind another time travel, perhaps one about the various empires
[20:20] <Burke> such as going to rome and competing in the colleseum
[20:20] <Burke> and going to china and perhaps ascending the throne
[20:21] <@RareCola> I feel like we've had a lot of time travel in tasks recently
[20:21] <Burke> yeah, that's why i'd prefer not to do that one xD
[20:21] <@OpheliaBlue> I love the 7 wonders idea, and the planets. Anyway, they're in the suggestions now.
[20:21] <Burke> perhaps cause another big bang?
[20:22] <Burke> the ultimate dream control challenge
[20:22] <Burke> >
[20:22] <@RareCola> I'll think up some ideas and post my own suggestions tomorrow or something
[20:22] <Burke> however that would only be one step
[20:22] <Burke> not a whole thing
[20:22] <@OpheliaBlue> the next big bang? and create a universe basically?
[20:22] <Burke> for some reason space-related things keep popping into me head
[20:22] <@paigeyemps> What about something sports-related as well
[20:22] <Burke> and yeah
[20:24] <@RareCola> Space and time travel are the two giants in both fiction and non-fiction really
[20:24] <@RareCola> lots of ideas to pull from
[20:24] <@RareCola> it'd be nice to have something really unique
[20:25] <Exotiraan> Space would be new to me. :p
[20:26] <@paigeyemps> Oh uhm
[20:27] <@paigeyemps> What about
[20:27] * Burke waits for the
[20:27] <@paigeyemps> Something with natural phenomena
[20:27] <Burke>
[20:27] <Burke> the "" was not meant to you paige
[20:27] <@paigeyemps>
[20:27] <Exotiraan> Invent a game?
[20:27] <@paigeyemps> Oh
[20:27] <@RareCola> How about Philippine island hopping
[20:27] <@paigeyemps> Lol
[20:27] <@paigeyemps> Hahaha
[20:27] <Burke> it was meant to my half-emote
[20:27] <@OpheliaBlue> brb, son doesn't feel well
[20:27] == OpheliaBlue has changed nick to OpheliaBlue|BRB
[20:28] <@paigeyemps> D:
[20:28] <@RareCola> oh nooo
[20:28] <@RareCola> I feel bad now because Lisa told him not to bother her while we recorded the podcast, haha
[20:28] <@paigeyemps> ;<
[20:29] <@RareCola> woopsie
[20:29] <hathor28> how old is he
[20:31] <@paigeyemps> Guys, since when was the toty started?
[20:31] <Burke> umm....
[20:31] <hathor28> idk
[20:32] <Burke> 2008
[20:32] <@paigeyemps> Ahh
[20:32] <@paigeyemps> It's tough to outdo it every year
[20:32] <Burke> so this will be its 6th year
[20:34] <@RareCola> It'd be interesting to have tasks based around building up a DreamViews Headquarters
[20:34] <@RareCola> not sure how challenging that'd be though
[20:34] <@paigeyemps> Dream World Academy D:
[20:36] <@paigeyemps> which reminds me i gotta start thinking about that
[20:36] <@paigeyemps> Something about different occupations might be interesting for TOTY
[20:36] <@paigeyemps> Not sure what or how though
[20:37] <Burke> i know....
[20:37] <Burke> meet the DV staff and do battle with them!
[20:38] <@paigeyemps> Ahaha
[20:38] <frobthebuilder> I think we should probably make it NOT about glorifying the staff
[20:38] <Burke> not glorifying, fore-ifying
[20:38] <Burke> bad puns are bad xD
[20:38] <MicroWave`|Away> is there a lesson on right now?
[20:38] <MicroWave`|Away> a class*
[20:38] <Burke> sort of
[20:39] == MicroWave`|Away has changed nick to MicroWave`
[20:39] <Burke> mainly just us discussing TotY topics
[20:39] <MicroWave`> oh
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[20:39] == mode/#DVA [+h paigeyemps] by DreamBot
[20:39] == mode/#DVA [+o paigeyemps] by DreamBot
[20:40] <frobthebuilder> it would appear
[20:40] <MicroWave`> is there room for me to tell an experience with SP that I just had?
[20:40] <frobthebuilder> the intro class is the only active one
[20:40] <Burke> yep
[20:40] <@paigeyemps> Sure, shock
[20:40] <frobthebuilder> isnt that odd
[20:40] <@RareCola> haha
[20:40] <@RareCola> why are you still named MicroWave`
[20:41] <MicroWave`> I woke up and I was in SP. I panicked and couldn't move. I managed to get out of it after a few seconds or so, and then I relaxed.
[20:41] <MicroWave`> Bam! Back in SP. I couldn't move for another 10-15 seconds.
[20:41] <Burke> lol
[20:41] <Burke> way to be
[20:41] <@RareCola> Trolling Sleep Paralysis
[20:41] <MicroWave`> then I relaxed once I was out. BAM! Back into SP a third time D:
[20:41] <frobthebuilder> but why do you panic then
[20:41] <Burke> xD
[20:41] <frobthebuilder> the point is to NOT
[20:41] <MicroWave`> after that, I literally had to wiggle my finger to stay out
[20:42] <MicroWave`> frobthebuilder: I couldn't remember what to do and I was panicking because I knew it. And each time, my head was developing a worse headache
[20:42] <frobthebuilder> neat
[20:43] <@RareCola> Probably because you were fighting it
[20:43] <@RareCola> chill yo beans
[20:43] <MicroWave`> which makes me turn to RareCola and/or paigeyemps to ask a question: is the chemical which paralyses us, limited?
[20:43] <frobthebuilder> probably not
[20:43] <@RareCola> No
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[20:44] <frobthebuilder> otherwise we might run out
[20:44] <@RareCola> And if it was, it wouldn't be limited to the point where you'd experience it in those few minutes
[20:44] <frobthebuilder> and start acting out our dreams
[20:44] <MicroWave`> ah, fair enough @ RareCola
[20:44] <@RareCola> I mean, think of people who go into comas, all the time they're paralysed
[20:44] <@RareCola> not like they run out and start coma-walking
[20:45] <@paigeyemps> Yeah
[20:45] <@paigeyemps> It's probably a chemical consistently produced by your body
[20:45] <@paigeyemps> And is necessary too
[20:45] <@paigeyemps> It's just a matter of noticing its effects
[20:45] <frobthebuilder> http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/my-sem...e-tald-138664/
[20:46] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> haha it's ok, he was bugging me before because he wanted to show me a drawing. and his tummy hurt because he didn't want pasta for dinner, so he ate something else and feels better
[20:46] <frobthebuilder> damn, we sure do love our acronyms
[20:46] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> he is boycotting anything with veggies these days
[20:46] <@paigeyemps> D:
[20:46] <@paigeyemps> Good to know he feels better
[20:46] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> oh and he's 9
[20:47] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> podcasdt sounds awesome btw Jason
[20:47] <@paigeyemps> Chris, right?
[20:47] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> except where I word my switches
[20:47] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> yeah, Chris
[20:47] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
[20:47] == OpheliaBlue|BRB has changed nick to OpheliaBlue
[20:48] <@OpheliaBlue> If I feed everyone and make sure all is well, then say "Ok, quiet for 45 min", that's when the drama ensues
[20:48] <MicroWave`> OpheliaBlue: did you read my experience above?
[20:48] <@RareCola> Boycotting vegetables, oh god he's at that stage
[20:48] <@OpheliaBlue> MicroWave`: oh no! I'll scroll up
[20:48] <@RareCola> I never understand where kids get their "it's cool to hate vegetables" thing from
[20:48] == mode/#DVA [+o MicroWave`] by OpheliaBlue
[20:48] <@MicroWave`> ty
[20:49] <@RareCola> Oh for god sake, is there really a tulpa induced lucid dreaming method now?
[20:49] <frobthebuilder> lol tulpas
[20:50] <@MicroWave`> RareCola: how did you know?
[20:50] <frobthebuilder> I think those are actually better classified as insanity
[20:50] <@RareCola> And what the hell is the point in posting if "75% of people will fail this technique"
[20:50] <@OpheliaBlue> oh wow, a triple SP
[20:50] <frobthebuilder> DID I EVER TELL YOU THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY?
[20:50] <@MicroWave`> This is slightly off-topic but it's about my SP. When I was lying in bed before I first fell asleep, I spoke with my tulpa and actually said that I would like to spend time with him in a lucid dream
[20:50] <@MicroWave`> and then bam this happens
[20:51] <@RareCola> How did I know what, Shock?
[20:51] <frobthebuilder> so you have the schizophrenia too?
[20:51] <@MicroWave`> oh, I thought you knew about that ^
[20:51] <@MicroWave`> frobthebuilder: that's not a discussion for here
[20:51] <@RareCola> Lmao
[20:51] <Alucinor^XIII> Oh heya DVA
[20:51] <@paigeyemps> Hi aluu
[20:51] <frobthebuilder> are you sure about that?
[20:52] <Alucinor^XIII> You are all tulpas
[20:52] <Alucinor^XIII> now get back on topic
[20:52] <frobthebuilder> topic?
[20:52] <frobthebuilder> lol
[20:52] <@MicroWave`> sorry for driving the channel off topic
[20:52] <Burke> ophelia i added another suggestion to the thread
[20:52] <frobthebuilder> isn't this supposed to be a class or something?
[20:52] <@RareCola> Tulpas are fine, nothing wrong with having an imaginary friend. It just annoys me how people are using them as some kind of scientific substance for lucid dreams. Seems to be over-taking DV
[20:53] <frobthebuilder> rly
[20:53] <@OpheliaBlue> Burke: yeah? please copy me real quick so I can add it
[20:53] <Burke> i already added it
[20:53] <frobthebuilder> maybe I'm just bitter because I have a shitty imagination
[20:53] <Burke> i have access to the sub-forum
[20:54] <@OpheliaBlue> oh derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp
[20:54] <@OpheliaBlue> because of the TOTY
[20:54] <Burke> x)
[20:54] <@OpheliaBlue> carry on then
[20:56] <Exotiraan> Time to log, yet?
[20:57] <@RareCola> Time for chat to die
[20:57] <frobthebuilder> boy what a productive class
[20:58] <Burke> xD
[20:58] <Burke> i'd say it was a good class
[20:58] <@RareCola> I enjoyed it at least
[20:59] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah log it

Next #DVA Chat Time is Tuesday, December 11th, from 1pm-3pm CST

Bring your recent lucid experiences, TOTM experiences, and future podcast ideas.

Tuesday, December 11th #DVA Class:

Spoiler for chat:

[13:10] <@melanieb> Did anyone know about the DVA today?
[13:11] <@realdealmagic> DVA is on just now?
[13:12] <@melanieb> Is it not? I thought OpheliaBlue said something about it
[13:12] <@melanieb> Topic says it is
[13:12] <@OpheliaBlue> it's supposed to be, I sent a mass PM 10 min ago
[13:12] <@OpheliaBlue> we'll see if folks show up.. tuesday is a weird time though
[13:13] <@melanieb> Open forum for teachers?
[13:13] <@realdealmagic> Ah right
[13:13] <@realdealmagic> I couldn't be bothered checking the timezone
[13:14] <@realdealmagic> CST is 6 hours behind me. I should remember that by now.
[13:14] <@realdealmagic> Workbook updated for the first time in a long time
[13:14] <@realdealmagic> decided I want to get into lucid dreaming
[13:14] <@realdealmagic> again
[13:14] <@realdealmagic> again
[13:14] <@melanieb> I need to do that
[13:14] <@realdealmagic> :L
[13:15] <@melanieb> In my dream last night I had some memories of past dreams but I'm not certain they were actual memories of past dreams
[13:15] <@realdealmagic> ...
[13:15] <@CanisLucidus> Hey all!
[13:15] <@melanieb> hi CanisLucidus
[13:15] <@CanisLucidus> you mean like a memory that you thought was a dream you'd dredged up from the past, but you're suspicious it's false?
[13:15] <@realdealmagic> hello
[13:17] <@melanieb> In the dream I saw a plane falling to the ground. In the dream I realized I had dreamed about his plane before. But now I'm not certain that's actually true. I may have...but it may just be a false memory I created in the dream to explain something.
[13:17] <@OpheliaBlue> hey realdealmagic and CanisLucidus
[13:17] <@OpheliaBlue> and melanieb
[13:17] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Hellooo!
[13:17] <@melanieb> Hi OpheliaBlue
[13:17] <@CanisLucidus> That's pretty interesting. I know that I've generated plenty of false memories in a dream before that afterwards I know are total BS. A false dream... that is interesting tho
[13:17] <@realdealmagic> basically deja vu within a dream?
[13:18] <@melanieb> Yeah, and it's not the first time it's happened
[13:18] <@melanieb> I have had dreams where I realized I was dreaming about something I had dreamed previously...that's not uncommon
[13:19] <@CanisLucidus> I get what you mean. But you can't discount that part of yourself that's probably wondering... hey, when I'm dreaming, perhaps these dream memories are just closer at hand.
[13:19] <@CanisLucidus> Maybe that was legit
[13:19] <@melanieb> But last night's dream of the plane...I can't actually say for certain whether I had previously dreamed of that plane. I may be mistaken.
[13:19] <@CanisLucidus> Or at least that is what I'd be wondering. Sort of like how it's really easy to remember the TotM when you're awake.
[13:20] <@melanieb> It's all good. I was so certain I had dreamed of it before when I woke up...
[13:20] <@realdealmagic> Okay, I have a favour to ask y'all today in this class. Motivate me to start again. I'm trying to motivate myself, but I can't really easily. I'm trying to think of the infinite possibilities and how cool it would be. Halp!
[13:20] <@melanieb> I've been trying to remember all morning where I saw the plane before
[13:21] <@melanieb> Hmmm....motivation
[13:21] <@melanieb> What made you enjoy it in the first place?
[13:21] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: Was there anything contextual with that plane that made it really fit into the dream?
[13:22] <@CanisLucidus> realdealmagic: Did you keep good written records of your past LDs? I suggest reviewing your favorites, reliving them, and then imagining all the even-cooler stuff you could still do!
[13:22] <@melanieb> Not initially. I was outside with friends in a yard and suddenly I saw this plane appear out of the low clouds...it had swooped low overhead
[13:23] <@CanisLucidus> realdealmagic: Also, make a serious play at TotM. All my many TotM fails helped get me carved into shape.
[13:23] <@melanieb> It appeared a second time, low under the clouds before disappearing again....as though it was having trouble but the pilot was trying to keep it up by climbing and then swooping down with the gained velocity
[13:23] <@CanisLucidus> It's motivating doing what others are doing, stealing their ideas (heh), and just generally taking part in a shared experience
[13:23] <@melanieb> And the third time it appeared it crashed over the hill and I wanted to see it
[13:23] <@realdealmagic> I've literally never had a decent LD.
[13:23] <@realdealmagic> Like, I've had 2 very brief moments of lucidity.
[13:23] <@melanieb> Never?
[13:24] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: You may have said, but were you lucid when this happened?
[13:24] <@realdealmagic> But I can't really remember them because they were so brief.
[13:24] <@realdealmagic> I know a lot behind the theory and can understand the brain and psychology of it enough to give people advice, but I have almost no experience :L
[13:24] <@melanieb> I wasn't lucid when the plane appeared...I was briefly lucid after that
[13:24] <@CanisLucidus> realdealmagic: Believe me when I say that you are capable of way, way more! I didn't have an LD of any kind at all until this year, and I'm 34.
[13:25] <@realdealmagic> That's why I stopped in the first (and second) place anyway; because I had made almost no progress in the 2 months I had been at it.
[13:25] <@melanieb> I get longer ones now than I used to
[13:25] <@melanieb> I think it's the forum influence
[13:25] <@CanisLucidus> Start really enjoying your non-lucids, building your recall, and just letting that be fun to you. The lucidity will build upon that.
[13:25] <@realdealmagic> CanisLucidus: I know that I'm capable of it, I just got impatient I guess. Age has nothing to do with it in my opinion.
[13:25] <@melanieb> Agreed with CanisLucidus
[13:25] <@realdealmagic> Fun fact: You'e literally double my age
[13:25] <@melanieb> I'm 39
[13:25] <@CanisLucidus> realdealmagic: It took me 2+ months to have my second LD. And fun fact FOR YOU! lol
[13:25] <@melanieb> So even older
[13:25] <@realdealmagic> I need to build up my recall. Gotta get a decent notepad for a DJ
[13:26] <@CanisLucidus> Once you learn to really enjoy your non-lucids, you'll get to know your dream landscape so much better
[13:27] <@melanieb> Less stress helps
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[13:27] <@CanisLucidus> That is a huge stepping stone for any kind of MILD and DILD. I imagine WILDs as well, but I'm a seriously DILD-heavy guy.
[13:27] <@CanisLucidus> hello quietness !
[13:27] <quietness> Hello (^_^)
[13:27] <quietness> glad to be here
[13:27] <@realdealmagic> I did get to the stage before when I was waking up from non-lucids and writing them and being really excited about it because they were so much fun, even if not lucid.
[13:28] <@realdealmagic> So I understand what you mean there
[13:28] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: You are right on. Gotta keep it fun, always, becomes dreams don't always do what we say or cooperate when we want.
[13:28] <@CanisLucidus> realdealmagic: Awesome! All you have to do is find your way back there. Then it's seriously a matter of bringing in heavy artillery like WBTB w/ an induction tech like MILD or whatever.
[13:28] <@realdealmagic> Yeah. Cheers muchly n_n
[13:29] <@CanisLucidus> I don't know if you did real WBTBs in the past, but this is am embarrassingly big boost I find. That is what finally got me my 2nd LD.
[13:29] <@CanisLucidus> I had an accidental WBTB Then I had to admit that WBTB was awesome, even tho I really didn't want to do it.
[13:30] <@CanisLucidus> I got used to it tho and now enjoy breaking sleep up into 2 chunks
[13:30] <@realdealmagic> Not real ones, as such, just wake up, stay in bed. I never pushed myself to get up enough.
[13:31] <@CanisLucidus> I don't want to overemphasize technique over the fact that lucidity comes from YOU and your skills. But having said that, WBTB is huge for LDing. I resisted this at first, but it has been huge for me.
[13:31] <@melanieb> WBTB worked great for me
[13:31] <@melanieb> But I had a really messed-up sleeping schedule
[13:31] <@OpheliaBlue> hey quietness, I didn't hear you come in
[13:31] * Exotiraan is in melanieb's boat.
[13:31] <Exotiraan> 'Cept with WILD.
[13:32] <@CanisLucidus> yeah melanieb does some cool stuff with her sleep schedule that I think achieves a lot of the same ends as WBTB!
[13:32] <@melanieb> WILD worked well with WBTB
[13:32] <Exotiraan> s/is/was/
[13:32] <Demonbot> [Exotiraan was in melanieb's boat.]
[13:32] <@melanieb> I wouldn't call it cool...just my busy life
[13:32] <@melanieb> Staying up late every night, getting up early...
[13:32] <@CanisLucidus> The getting lucid part is cool at least
[13:32] <@melanieb> Sometimes that means going back to sleep after the kiddos go to school
[13:32] <@CanisLucidus> The agony of being so fatigued you want to cry, less cool I guess
[13:32] <@realdealmagic> Stay up late, go to bed early... I have done that for the best part of 2 years
[13:32] <@melanieb> Yes it is
[13:33] <@melanieb> That's my life
[13:33] <Exotiraan> My best lucid period was when I got multi-phasic sleep.
[13:33] <@realdealmagic> Unfortunately though, I AM a kiddo that goes to sleep
[13:33] <@melanieb> But when I went back to sleep I didn't always do it in bed
[13:33] <@melanieb> I used my living room chair
[13:33] <quietness> I usually just creep in (>_<) I had great results with WBTB, but my recent busy schedule didn't allow for it (T_T)
[13:33] <@realdealmagic> I really want to look into polyphasing my sleep pattern
[13:33] <@CanisLucidus> I have a pretty regular sleep schedule, so that can work fine too
[13:33] <@melanieb> Most nights I drink a glass of milk an hour before bed
[13:34] <@CanisLucidus> quietness: Yes, scheduling is always the tough thing. I just try to go to bed as early as I can. And if I won't get enough time for it, I just skip it. I don't want to tire myself out, you know?
[13:34] <@melanieb> That also seems to make for decent sleep
[13:34] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: Ahh very nice. I'll have to look into the mechanisms behind that because that helps so many people get quality sleep.
[13:35] <quietness> Oh, I see. (O_O) I think the stress forcing myself to do WBTB worked against me.
[13:35] <Exotiraan> I'm think I am starting to slowly fix mine. My bedtime has been creeping up to the point that I was going to bed regularly at 0500 and 0600 and later.
[13:36] <@CanisLucidus> quietness: Yeah, I agree with melanieb that freeing yourself from stress is the way to go. Not just for lucid dreaming of course! But it helps a ton there
[13:36] <Exotiraan> It was starting to really mess with my head.
[13:36] <@CanisLucidus> Exotiraan: Wow, I hope you've got black-out curtains or a sleep mask!
[13:37] <quietness> ah, milk ^_^ I tried apple juice once, but it didn't work (T_T)
[13:37] <@melanieb> I think most of the methods and things that help rarely work with one-time experiences
[13:37] <@melanieb> They work better with continued practice or use
[13:37] <quietness> Ah, yes. (>_<) will keep that in mind now, @CanisLucidus
[13:37] <@CanisLucidus> quietness: I got lucky with apple juice myself, so yeah, try a different delicious item like milk instead
[13:38] <@OpheliaBlue> oh CanisLucidus , really quick, sorry if it's a dumb question, but when you are viewing a DJ and want to comment, do you click on the DJ title first?
[13:38] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Right, I sure do!
[13:38] <@OpheliaBlue> crap. ok
[13:38] <@realdealmagic> Going to relate something that has nothing to do with dreaming, to dreaming, so I can show people my cool creation.
[13:39] <@realdealmagic> This next link is an image of a dream scene I thought of, it's a maze.
[13:39] <@realdealmagic> <_<
[13:39] <@realdealmagic> >_>
[13:39] * melanieb waits patiently
[13:39] <@realdealmagic> http://i.imgur.com/hMAiP.jpg
[13:39] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: I can comment on my own entries typically, I think. And I see Auron and you commenting on stuff. And then Xanous on his own? I was sort of picking up on a vague "comment on your own stuff and high-powered people can comment everywhere" vibe but I haven't investigated really
[13:39] <@melanieb> Reminds me of a complicated fish
[13:40] <@melanieb> You should be able to comment on your own
[13:40] <@realdealmagic> tis but an almagamation of randomly drawn lines
[13:40] <@CanisLucidus> realdealmagic: There's your motivation! Think about creating things like this, walking through them, and your subconscious filling them with things you'd never (knowingly) imagined
[13:41] <@OpheliaBlue> CanisLucidus: weeeeird. Wonder if ShockWave knows why.
[13:41] <@realdealmagic> MicroWave`: GET YO ASS IN HERE BOY
[13:42] <@OpheliaBlue> haha i PMed him in staff
[13:42] <@melanieb> Microwave ass
[13:42] <@realdealmagic> Haha
[13:42] <@MicroWave`> it's supposedly being worked on
[13:42] <@MicroWave`> by Keebali.
[13:42] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Yeah quite weird! I saw a new thread on meta about it too so I felt marginally less lonely.
[13:43] <@realdealmagic> brb
[13:43] <@melanieb> Keebali...wonder if I could LD about telling them what to do
[13:43] <@CanisLucidus> You'll know I've gone over the edge when you see me pathetically writing "Cool dream maaaan!!" on all of my own entries
[13:43] <@melanieb>
[13:44] <quietness> LOL
[13:46] <@melanieb> I tend to read every night before sleep. Don't know if it helps but I think I sleep better and have more memorable dreams
[13:46] <quietness> ah. what do you read?
[13:46] <@melanieb> Anything I can get my hands on
[13:46] <quietness> oh. so both fiction and non-fiction?
[13:46] <@melanieb> Right now I'm actually rereading the Harry Potter series
[13:46] <@melanieb> Yeah
[13:46] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: I think it's a very good idea. That always worked for me when I used to do it. Now I kind of find I have just enough time to get my journal in order and read a couple of older entries.
[13:46] <@melanieb> I love biographies
[13:47] <@OpheliaBlue> oh cool melanieb , I just gave the first one to Chris, and he's reading Beetle the Bard too
[13:47] <@melanieb> Neat OpheliaBlue
[13:47] <@CanisLucidus> great choice
[13:47] <@OpheliaBlue> Beedle? I can't remember
[13:47] <@melanieb> Yeah
[13:47] <@melanieb> I'm on Goblet of Fire right now
[13:47] <@OpheliaBlue> I made him write a 100 word essay on The Wizard and the Hopping Pot because he didn't have homework yesterday haha
[13:48] <@melanieb> :O
[13:48] <quietness> nice
[13:48] <@melanieb> Funny
[13:48] <quietness> hahah
[13:48] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I love that one
[13:48] <@OpheliaBlue> So, one student and 8 teachers or so lol
[13:48] <@melanieb> I have a few lined up after finishing Harry potter
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[13:48] <@OpheliaBlue> hey booney
[13:49] <@melanieb> I think I recall some elements showing up in a recent dream
[13:49] <@melanieb> Hi booney
[13:49] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb few min
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[13:49] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: lol. I hope my kids get these kinds of ratios when they're in school
[13:49] <@CanisLucidus> Hey booney!
[13:49] <@realdealmagic> ophelia
[13:49] <@realdealmagic> ae you telling me
[13:49] <booney> Hey everyone.
[13:49] <@realdealmagic> Are you telling me*
[13:49] <@melanieb> 8:2 is good
[13:49] <@realdealmagic> That when your kid doesnt have homework
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[13:49] <@realdealmagic> you give him homework?
[13:49] * realdealmagic shakes his head in disappointment.
[13:49] <@realdealmagic> Come on.
[13:49] <@melanieb> Homework is good for the mind
[13:49] <quietness> hello booney ^_^
[13:49] <@realdealmagic>
[13:49] <@realdealmagic> So is rest
[13:49] <@melanieb> Hi msg
[13:50] <quietness> welcome msg ^_^
[13:50] <+msg> hi melanieb and quietness
[13:50] <@melanieb> Rest is good...and yet I seem to get as little as I can some nights
[13:50] <@melanieb> I was up late watching My Fair Lady last night
[13:50] <@melanieb> Before I stayed up later to read
[13:51] <@CanisLucidus> welcome msg !
[13:51] <@melanieb> That's something I've never had in a dream...everyone breaking into song
[13:51] <+msg> thanks CanisLucidus
[13:51] <@melanieb> I would love a musical number in a dream
[13:51] <@realdealmagic> Updated my Workbook fo the first time in 4 months.
[13:51] <@realdealmagic> Omg, that wuold be amazing melanieb :')
[13:51] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: You are tougher than I am. I become whiny and sort of dim-witted when I miss too much sleep. I'm talking more than usual!
[13:51] <@melanieb> I cna function on very little sleep
[13:52] <@realdealmagic> ^
[13:52] <@melanieb> But eventually I need to catch up by taking naps
[13:52] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: I had everyone break into song around my 10th LD! It was amazing indeed
[13:52] <@melanieb> If I go too many days with little sleep
[13:52] <@realdealmagic> When I read, I find I end up getting too sucked into the book and stay up even later and later and later. I just can't put 'em down when I'm into them :L
[13:52] <@melanieb> I bet that would be amazing, CanisLucidus
[13:52] <quietness> AH! That reminds me! I had a dream where everyone was singing (>_<) A long time ago
[13:52] <@melanieb> Neat quietness
[13:53] <@melanieb> I also enjkoy reading later and later...but I remember that kids need me in the morning
[13:53] <@melanieb> So I limit myself
[13:53] <@realdealmagic> I see
[13:53] <@realdealmagic> Today I made a flask of coffee to take into school. Best decision I have EVER made.
[13:53] <booney> I had a musical dream once, I even woke up and hummed something on my phone. When I got up the next morning I couldn't even hear a melody. haha just me whispering.
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[13:54] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
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[13:54] <@CanisLucidus> booney: Dang, you had a great plan and everything!
[13:54] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Chimpertainment !
[13:54] <@melanieb> Melodies of the mind
[13:54] <@melanieb> Hi Chimpertainment
[13:54] <@Chimpertainment> helloo
[13:54] <@CanisLucidus> Hey Chimpertainment !
[13:54] <@Chimpertainment> howdy
[13:54] <@melanieb> At least you tried, booney
[13:54] <@melanieb> I get music all the time but I want characters to break into song
[13:54] <@Chimpertainment> hows everybody doin?
[13:54] <quietness> wb OpheliaBlue (^_^)
[13:55] <@OpheliaBlue> oh you just reminded me I had music in my snow dream :O
[13:55] <quietness> Hello Chimpertainment ^_^
[13:55] <@CanisLucidus> booney: I had a recent LD where it came with an excellent soundtrack... I wish I could have tried your plan. I was hoping you'd say it worked!
[13:55] <@Chimpertainment> hello quietness
[13:55] <@melanieb> I still haven't had a snow dream....rain I can manage easily, but not snow
[13:55] <booney> It would have worked if I weren't so self consious about singing in the middle of the night
[13:56] <@realdealmagic> Sup Chimp
[13:56] <@melanieb> Why self conscious?
[13:56] <@OpheliaBlue> haha Xanous said he was singing real quiet too in his
[13:56] <@melanieb> You sleep near others?
[13:56] <@Chimpertainment> hey realdealmagic /
[13:56] <@OpheliaBlue> afraid your real life voice might sing too?
[13:56] <booney> thin walls
[13:56] <@Chimpertainment> sdas
[13:56] <@melanieb> They probably wont notice if they're asleep
[13:57] <@OpheliaBlue> I used to worry about that when saying "more lucidity" really loud in dreams. I eventually said eff it, did it anyway, and no one heard a thing
[13:57] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Ha ha ha... I've worried about that before but these days I can usually just belt it out in-dream now
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[13:57] <@melanieb> Hi Sakura
[13:57] <booney> No I think you misunderstood. I heard the most beautifull music in a dream. Then I woke up still having the melody in my head, so tried to humm the melody in my phone to record it. But I was very tired so all I could hear was whispering and moaning sounds.
[13:57] <@OpheliaBlue> same here.. I'm guessing our vocal chords are all or nearly paralyzed at this point anyway?
[13:57] <quietness> hi Sakura ^_^
[13:58] <@melanieb> moaning
[13:58] <@melanieb> nifty
[13:58] <@OpheliaBlue> oh booney, my bad I see what yo umean
[13:58] <@OpheliaBlue> hi Sakura
[13:58] <Sakura> hi
[13:58] <quietness> It's interesting to hear new music in dreams o.O made me wish I can play an instrument or sing at least
[13:58] <@CanisLucidus> booney: Yep, I got what you mean... been in the same situation but didn't have as good of a plan as you did!
[13:58] <@CanisLucidus> hi Sakura !
[13:58] <quietness> so I can duplicate them >_<
[13:58] <@CanisLucidus> quietness: Totally... I wish so badly I could draw
[13:59] <@melanieb> Oh, me too
[13:59] <@melanieb> Drawing would be awesome
[13:59] <@CanisLucidus> That gap between what the subconscious can produce and what we can produce to share with others just... aches
[13:59] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it would
[13:59] <quietness> LOL, I can draw a bit. But I find I'm too lazy to draw some dream stuff (>_<)
[13:59] <@OpheliaBlue> I'd like to be able to sketch stuff from my dreams like RareCola does
[13:59] <@OpheliaBlue> (teehee PING poooong)
[13:59] <quietness> even lazier to upload (>_<)
[13:59] <booney> I'm working on a drawing of my first LD I had last week. I'll post it when it's finished
[14:00] <@OpheliaBlue> hey y'all seen that movie Prometheus? and when the people are in stasis, the robot David can see a projection of their draems? We need one of those.
[14:00] <quietness> Hmm, I guess I should do that too, then (^_^)
[14:00] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: I like to sketch in my DJ, but it's not fit for human consumption. You work with what you've got, even if what you've "got" is the penmanship of a first grader
[14:00] <@CanisLucidus> Haven't seen prometheus yet! Sounds like exactly what I want!!
[14:01] * Exotiraan needs to watch that movies.
[14:01] <@OpheliaBlue> haha you know it! I posted a couple mspaint gems in the draw your dreams thread over the years
[14:01] <@melanieb> CanisLucidus, you should post them anyway
[14:01] <Exotiraan> * movie
[14:01] <booney> Oh yes how I wish I could plug myself in my bed ad start recording my dreams.
[14:01] <@melanieb> I see people posting all kinds of stick figure drawings
[14:01] <@OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: they're gonna make 2 more too!
[14:01] * OpheliaBlue jumps around in excitement
[14:01] <@realdealmagic> heaing music in a dream will be a great way to write songs
[14:01] <@realdealmagic> also just writing songs in dreams
[14:01] <@realdealmagic> yaldi
[14:01] * Exotiraan wolf-whistles.
[14:01] * melanieb howls as Exotiraan
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[14:01] <@melanieb> at
[14:01] <@CanisLucidus> melanieb: You're probably right. There's also the issue of my laziness. A major obstacle
[14:01] <@Chimpertainment> i like how i can play instruments in dreams like a master
[14:02] <@Chimpertainment> im mozart in my dreams
[14:02] <@OpheliaBlue> oh hi msg, didn't see you in here
[14:02] <+msg> hi OpheliaBlue
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[14:02] <@melanieb> Hi Jawad
[14:02] <@OpheliaBlue> I can sing alot higher in my LDs
[14:02] <@OpheliaBlue> hi Jawad
[14:02] <@CanisLucidus> Welcome Jawad
[14:02] <Jawad> Hi
[14:02] <@melanieb> I would like to hang near Mozart and listen
[14:03] <Jawad> How are you everybody?
[14:03] <@realdealmagic> I hope I am able to practise and write songs and shit in my dreams
[14:03] <@OpheliaBlue> I tried to bring him back from purgatory, but I failed haha
[14:03] <@melanieb> shit?
[14:03] <booney> All this music dreamtalk made me remember an old dream. Have to write it down brb
[14:03] <@OpheliaBlue> I hate when I shit in my dreams
[14:03] <@CanisLucidus> Chimpertainment: Yeah, that's the kind of thing I mean... can you imagine if you could directly access that creativity and actually share it with other people? amazing
[14:03] <@melanieb> Ah...songs and shit
[14:03] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[14:03] <@CanisLucidus> Those dreams where you're on the can composing a concerto are the WORST!
[14:03] <@OpheliaBlue> who was I talking to recently...
[14:04] <@melanieb> Can we quote realdealmagic?
[14:04] <Jawad> I had Lucid dream today while taking nap.
[14:04] <@OpheliaBlue> OH My friend at work is starting to lucid dream. She said she made an awesome rap in one, but she didn't write it down
[14:04] <quietness> Ugh. Yeah. Nude and shit in dreams. Not cool (@_@)
[14:04] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Awesome... did you get her into it?
[14:04] <@OpheliaBlue> awesome Jawad , nap LDs are great
[14:04] <@melanieb> I was nude in my dream last night...weird
[14:04] <@realdealmagic> omg
[14:04] <@realdealmagic> lololol
[14:04] <@realdealmagic> i never even saw that
[14:04] <quietness> WOW, congrats, Jawad (^_6)
[14:04] <@melanieb> Funny though
[14:04] <@Chimpertainment> CanisLucidus: yeah, thats basically what we do in waking life..we require the muscle memory however in order to produce it in the material realm of things
[14:04] <@OpheliaBlue> CanisLucidus: yeah, I got 3 people from work doing it for the first time. Too bad I don't get paid for this shit
[14:05] <booney> Congrats on the LD Jawad!
[14:05] <Jawad> yes. Today I read the Nap article which you reffered me. Then I took a nap
[14:05] <booney> Was it your first LD?
[14:05] <@realdealmagic> i did wonder why Ophelia was talking about having shits
[14:05] <@Chimpertainment> ophelia's got some converts, lol
[14:05] <@melanieb> Paid to dream...truly the dream-life
[14:05] <quietness> LOL
[14:05] <Jawad> Thanks
[14:05] <@Chimpertainment> im jealous
[14:05] <@OpheliaBlue> haha, well I meant paid to teach it, but that works too
[14:05] <Jawad> No Its was my 6th LD
[14:05] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: You are GOOD! I can't marshal enough people skills to do more than make people say, "Cool dream, dude."
[14:05] <@realdealmagic> getting paid for it?
[14:06] <@melanieb> Congrats Jawad
[14:06] <@realdealmagic> That would be motivation indeed
[14:06] <booney> Cool, I'm no good at napping.
[14:06] <@OpheliaBlue> I think I have a hard time shutting up about it. Eventually they get interested because I can't stop talking about it
[14:06] <@melanieb>
[14:06] <Jawad> 6 LDs in one Year.
[14:06] <@Chimpertainment> nice
[14:06] <@melanieb> Its a neat subject
[14:06] <@CanisLucidus> Jawad: Congratulations! It took me a very long time to have a lucid nap! Enjoy this success!
[14:06] <Jawad> Thanks :-)
[14:06] <@OpheliaBlue> I guess I could come up with an actual topic now, since we got more folks in here. How are y'all's TOTMs going?
[14:06] <quietness> LOL
[14:07] * melanieb has fail at TOTM
[14:07] <@Chimpertainment> im in a lucid lull again..its actually kinda nice
[14:07] <@melanieb> But the month isn't over
[14:07] <quietness> still trying to get it to snow (>_<)
[14:07] <Jawad> What Should I do instead of my regular routine.
[14:07] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah got 20 days left, plenty o' time
[14:07] <@CanisLucidus> The Ghosts one is awesomely intimidating... altho Mancon actually pulled it off!
[14:07] <booney> Almost did the Northern Lights one during my first.
[14:07] <@OpheliaBlue> I just broke my 2 week lull yesterday
[14:07] <Jawad> This academy should teach us and give us homework daily
[14:07] <@realdealmagic> someone link me to totm?
[14:07] <@Chimpertainment> kewl
[14:07] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah Mancon is a rockstar
[14:08] <@OpheliaBlue> !totm
[14:08] <@realdealmagic> lol, 2 week lull :') That's like, nothing! xD
[14:08] <Demonbot> OpheliaBlue: Basic Task i - Sing a Christmas Carol. Get the lyrics correct. Basic Task ii - Change the weather by making it snow. Advanced Task i - Locate the aurora borealis, fly into the atmosphere and find out who or what is creating it. Create an aurora borealis of your own while you're up there. ~~ Basic Task ii - Change the weather by making it snow. Advanced Task i - Locate the aurora borealis, fly (1 more message)
[14:08] <Jawad> What is Task of the month and task of the week bla bla?
[14:08] <@Chimpertainment> http://www.dreamviews.com/f43/task-m...2012-a-138503/
[14:08] <@OpheliaBlue> lol I forgot how to do one more message, oh and that's not even a link oops
[14:08] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks Chimp
[14:08] <@realdealmagic> Jawad, the lessons are up, you gotta motivate yourself by posting in the workbook your progress, and from there you'll get advice and such
[14:08] <@realdealmagic> Ty
[14:08] <@OpheliaBlue> I think it's great that people are remembering to do the tasks in the dream, even if they don't go all the way with it
[14:09] <booney> Can't wait what the TOTY for 2013 will be.
[14:09] <@OpheliaBlue> That shows y'all are engaging that more wakeful, rational thinking in the lucid, insteead of having that lucid panick and waking up
[14:09] <Jawad> I know lessons are up but what is TOTM?
[14:09] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Hey!! You're winged, congratulations!
[14:09] <Jawad> You guys are following something but not telling me. Is it not for me?
[14:09] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks CL, I got the song yesterday, and the snow today. Thought about aurora, then met one ghost so far
[14:09] <@melanieb> Don't you type !more or something?
[14:10] <@realdealmagic> totm = task of the month
[14:10] <@OpheliaBlue> Jawad: TOTM = Task of the Month.
[14:10] <quietness> can I skip the basic task i, though? (>_<) I'm really bad with Christmas songs
[14:10] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah pick which one you want ofc
[14:10] <@Chimpertainment> no!! you must complete them ALLLLLLLLLLLLL
[14:10] <@melanieb> I am avoiding Christmas music
[14:10] <@melanieb> Like the plague
[14:10] <@Chimpertainment> >>>>>:{
[14:10] <@Chimpertainment> jk
[14:10] <@realdealmagic> the plague avoids christmas music?
[14:10] <@melanieb> I don't want it stuck in my head
[14:10] <@realdealmagic> hehehehe
[14:10] <Jawad> totm for who?
[14:10] <@melanieb> It rolls around in my head and festers
[14:11] <@OpheliaBlue> any and everyone Jawad
[14:11] <@OpheliaBlue> this link: http://www.dreamviews.com/f43/task-m...2012-a-138503/
[14:11] <@CanisLucidus> Jawad: Yeah man, check out the link. Task of the Month is a great motivator.
[14:11] <@realdealmagic> jingle bells, jingle bells, kingle all the way, oh what fun, it is to ride in a one horse open sleigh, HEY
[14:11] <Jawad> Then why no one told me about those to do those
[14:11] <@melanieb> !TOTM
[14:11] <Demonbot> melanieb: Basic Task i - Sing a Christmas Carol. Get the lyrics correct. Basic Task ii - Change the weather by making it snow. Advanced Task i - Locate the aurora borealis, fly into the atmosphere and find out who or what is creating it. Create an aurora borealis of your own while you're up there. ~~ Basic Task ii - Change the weather by making it snow. Advanced Task i - Locate the aurora borealis, fly into (1 more message)
[14:11] <@melanieb> No?
[14:11] <@realdealmagic> Jawad, it's your own choice.
[14:11] <@melanieb> !more
[14:11] <Demonbot> melanieb: the atmosphere and find out who or what is creating it. Create an aurora borealis of your own while you're up there. Advanced Task ii - Find the Ghosts of Christmases Past, Present and Future and experience what they have to show you.
[14:11] <quietness> haha, yeah. i try to keep them off my mind. (>_<)
[14:11] <@OpheliaBlue> (!more) that's it
[14:12] <@OpheliaBlue> see if I can remember that after 24 hours
[14:12] <@CanisLucidus> Jawad: It's offered to anyone on the forum, not just students in classes. It's a challenge for all lucid dreamers who are interested.
[14:12] <@melanieb> I'll test you OpheliaBlue
[14:12] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it's in its own forum Task of the Month
[14:12] <Demonbot> Title: Task of the Month (at Activity Stream - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views)
[14:12] <@OpheliaBlue> melanieb: you really should, like all irc commands
[14:12] <@melanieb> I learn them by watching #DV sometimes
[14:12] <@OpheliaBlue> smart
[14:12] <@melanieb> I have some bookmarked links to IRC commands
[14:12] <Jawad> Should I start from the 1st task of the month when this was started? or should I start from this month task?
[14:13] <@OpheliaBlue> do I not have TOTM referenced anywhere in the lessons?
[14:13] <@melanieb> Any of them Jawad
[14:13] <@Chimpertainment> do whatever you like
[14:13] <@Chimpertainment> there are a lot of cool things to try out
[14:13] <@realdealmagic> It just acts as a list of stuff to try out in dreams.
[14:13] <@OpheliaBlue> if you accomplish a current one, you get speshul wings
[14:13] <@OpheliaBlue> for the month
[14:13] <Jawad> is there task of the day, weak and ear also available?
[14:13] <@melanieb> And we still need ideas for Task of the Year for 2013
[14:13] <quietness> But I think this month's tasks are AWESOME! (except for the Christmas songs )
[14:13] <@OpheliaBlue> oh shit I need to log the first hour before I can't anymore
[14:13] <@Chimpertainment> !!!!!
[14:14] <@Chimpertainment> i will call the elves
[14:14] <@melanieb> Do you have trouble logging that OpheliaBlue?
[14:14] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: I love that the Ghost of Christmas Past was Buddy Hacket
[14:14] <@realdealmagic> I can log the whole thing in one go if you wish, assuming my internet doesnt die
[14:14] <@melanieb> Mine keeps logs
[14:14] <@realdealmagic> KVirc ftw.
[14:14] <@melanieb> I'm the same as realdealmagic
[14:14] <@Chimpertainment> i am going to fly into the sky, find santas sley, and drag it to hell
[14:14] <@melanieb> But I have /icechat
[14:14] * melanieb is using IceChat 7.70 20101031 - http://www.icechat.net
[14:14] <Demonbot> Title: IceChat IRC Client :: IRC Client Extra-Ordinaire :: The Chat Cool People Use (at www.icechat.net)
[14:15] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah that would be cool, either of you, so the whole 2 hours is in one spoiler
[14:15] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks
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[14:15] <Jawad> In my last LD I could remeber my LD Goal. Why? is there any way to make it better?
[14:15] <@melanieb> hi Michael073
[14:15] <Jawad> couldn't*
[14:15] <@CanisLucidus> hi Michael073 !
[14:15] <booney> Hello Michael
[14:15] <Michael073> Hello everyone
[14:15] <@melanieb> Try a mantra before bed
[14:15] <@realdealmagic> its hard to remembe your goals within dreams
[14:15] <quietness> hi Michael073
[14:15] <@realdealmagic> Ma-
[14:15] <@melanieb> Or something
[14:15] <@realdealmagic> What she said ^
[14:15] <@realdealmagic> just drum it into your head what you want to do
[14:16] <@Chimpertainment> Jawad: start with something you can remember, and then work your way to the other memories...
[14:16] <quietness> what mantra?
[14:16] <@realdealmagic> it could be dream incubation
[14:16] <@melanieb> Link one thought to another, much like the way it happens in dreams
[14:16] <Jawad> ok
[14:16] <@Chimpertainment> what melanieb said
[14:16] <@melanieb> Associate your goal with certain dream scenarios or situations
[14:16] <@melanieb> Especially common elements or dream signs
[14:16] <Jawad> ok
[14:16] <@realdealmagic> SAY SOMETHING DRAMATIC THEN HIT THE BUTTON
[14:16] <@realdealmagic> INCEPTION
[14:16] <Demonbot> Title: INCEPTION (at inception.davepedu.com)
[14:16] <@melanieb> Things that show up often in your dreams
[14:17] <Michael073> Uhm i have a little question here, do i need to put my finger in the air to ask something?
[14:17] <Michael073> and wait for my turn?
[14:17] <@realdealmagic> Just go for it Michael073
[14:17] <@realdealmagic>
[14:17] <@CanisLucidus> Michael073: Go go go!
[14:17] <Michael073> Alright
[14:17] <@Chimpertainment> we will only answer the phone if its ringing....
[14:17] <@melanieb> Tell us Michael073
[14:18] <booney> I need that button on my phone
[14:18] <@CanisLucidus> By the way, congratulations Michael073 on turning your LD count of "0 " into a "3"!
[14:18] <quietness> o.O
[14:18] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Michael073 !
[14:18] <@melanieb> My phone has that button...it's labeled "End Call"
[14:18] <booney> haaha
[14:18] <@OpheliaBlue> you had a 3rd one?! :O
[14:18] <@melanieb> Yay 3!
[14:18] <quietness> I thought I'd see something cool after I press it
[14:19] <@melanieb> quietness, try it with sound
[14:19] <@Chimpertainment> !brb
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[14:19] <quietness> LOL, I did
[14:19] <@melanieb> s
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[14:19] <quietness> It was just sad, coz i think I said something that's more romantic than dramatic, and then i heard the sound LOL
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[14:20] <Michael073> So i think my mind is kinda fucking me around.. like this morning i had the most amazing lucid.. and when i woke up i was like FUCK YEAH! that was some awesome lucid!! But for some reason i think my mind is reacting this way: in a dream: lucid is 'real' non lucid is 'not real and in real life: real life is 'real' and dreaming (lucid or not) is 'not real' and because of this if i keep recalling my lucid at some point i feel like its just a norma
[14:20] <Michael073> is that normal ?
[14:20] <@melanieb> Sounds typical at least
[14:20] <@CanisLucidus> Michael073: Is it to the point of actual self-doubt?
[14:20] <@melanieb> Or common for some
[14:21] <@Chimpertainment|BRB> !back
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[14:21] <booney> You mean your memories of lucids being like that of non lucids?
[14:21] <Michael073> yes as some point i doubt about myself really controling my own dream and lucid etc etc
[14:21] <Michael073> but after i woke up i was really sure
[14:21] <Michael073> and now its more like a normal dream
[14:21] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I think that will pass after you have more lucids, you're still just getting used to the feeling
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[14:22] <@melanieb> More lucids = good
[14:22] <@melanieb> hi Xyvoch
[14:22] <Xyvoch> hi
[14:22] <booney> I have the same problem. Like I'm still not believing it or accepting all this to be true.
[14:22] <quietness> welcome Xyvoch
[14:22] <Michael073> Ya
[14:22] <Michael073> thats rught booney
[14:22] <Michael073> right
[14:22] <@melanieb> You get to write your own story in a lucid
[14:23] <quietness> I have to re-read my previous LDs to assure myself it happens (T_T)
[14:23] <Xyvoch> hi quiteness
[14:23] <@melanieb> "Just because it's happening in your head...why shouldn't that make it real?" - Dumbledore
[14:23] <@Chimpertainment> Michael073: that has a lot to do with clarity in my experience...once your dream clarity increases, so will your memory of the lucid..usually...
[14:23] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Xyvoch
[14:24] <Xyvoch> hey Ophelia
[14:24] <quietness> how to improve dream clarity?
[14:24] <Michael073> Well the lucid was very very detailed etc etc.. its just in the morning its a epic lucid dream and now its more of a normal dream in my memory
[14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> nice quote mel! when did he say that one?
[14:24] <@Chimpertainment> nothing is true, everything is permitted...
[14:24] <booney> BTW, are any of you experiencing an increase in dream recall? Me and Xanous noticed that our own and that of none lucid dreamers have.
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[14:24] <Michael073> a dream where i did cool stuff
[14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> hey dakunesu
[14:24] <dakunesu> hi?
[14:24] <@melanieb> End of Deathly Hallows Part 2 in the movie, OpheliaBlue
[14:24] <quietness> my dream recall has become really really bad
[14:24] <@melanieb> hi dakunesu
[14:25] <quietness> I noted when it started in my workbook
[14:25] <@OpheliaBlue> ah ok, only saw it once so I geuss I don't remember. I wish at the end of that movie they showed his portrait awake and smiling, like i nthe book
[14:25] <quietness> but it should be around early this month
[14:25] <@melanieb> How do you wake up, quietness
[14:25] <@melanieb> ?
[14:25] <@melanieb> Slowly or abruptly?
[14:25] <@Chimpertainment> Michael073: yeah, that initial emotion that accompanies the memory will faid...however, if you make an effort to recall the dream in exact detail, i think you will find that feeling returning...
[14:25] <quietness> slowly
[14:25] <@CanisLucidus> hi Xyvoch and dakunesu
[14:25] <quietness> i wake up abruptly when there's an alarm
[14:25] <Xyvoch> hi canislucidus
[14:25] <quietness> but i try to avoid it unless i need to do something the next day
[14:25] <@melanieb> When you have time to wake...do you spend time examining the dream?
[14:26] <@Chimpertainment> INCREASING CLARITY: reality checks and stabilizing...something I am in the middle of improving...
[14:26] <@Chimpertainment> basics are best
[14:26] <quietness> yes. i try to recall as much details and feelings as possible
[14:26] <Michael073> A;right Chimpertainment ! so i just need to be sure about myself and not doubt at the end of the day?
[14:26] <quietness> i mean, i had no problem the days before it. then all of a sudden, i find it really difficult to remember
[14:26] <@melanieb> Doing the right thing, quietness
[14:26] <@melanieb> Just keep it up
[14:27] <quietness> thanx, melanieb i'm trying to get back into dream recall. but it tends to make me lose focus from doing LD
[14:28] <Xyvoch> Did mantras for recall work for somebody here ?
[14:28] <@Chimpertainment> Michael073: thats pretty much it...there is no reason to doubt, its an emotional reaction based on fear...technicalities aside...as has been said, the more lucid dreams you have, the easier it will be for you to navigate dream emotions, and residual memory
[14:28] <@Chimpertainment> Xyvoch: me, yeah, breaks my recall ruts whenever I have one
[14:29] <Michael073> Alright Chimpertainment! Because this lucid was soooooooooo badass really wooowwwwww
[14:29] <Michael073>
[14:29] <@Chimpertainment> word
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[14:30] <@Chimpertainment> you might try stephen laberge's daydream technique as well
[14:30] <Xyvoch> Should i try a extrem or slow wake up in the morning (both work pretty fast even if it could change my recall) ?
[14:30] <@Chimpertainment> not only does it increase lucidity, it increases recall and stability as well
[14:31] <booney> What kind of technique is this daydream technique?
[14:31] <@CanisLucidus> quietness: I'm not sure whether you said, but are you also practicing awareness during the day and able to recall your waking life in great detail?
[14:31] <@melanieb> Pleasant dreams, fellow dreamers. Time for me to get the kiddo.
[14:31] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya melanieb
[14:31] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks for being here
[14:31] <@CanisLucidus> bye melanieb ! Have a good afternoon
[14:32] <@melanieb> See ya...I'll be back later. Keep up the good work everyone! Especially you realdealmagic! Get motivated!
[14:32] <@melanieb> You aklso can
[14:32] <@melanieb> CanisLucidus
[14:32] <@melanieb>
[14:32] <quietness> yes, I've been practicing ADA, but not recently
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[14:32] <@Chimpertainment> booney: basically, recalling a non lucid or lucid dream, reliving the dream to the fullest in your mind, then altering the dream by imaging an alternative ending for a lucid or becoming lucid if its a non lucid
[14:33] <quietness> take care, melanieb
[14:33] <@CanisLucidus> The first step I do when recall breaks down is I pause during the day every few hours. I then replay in my mind as a daydream everything I've done up until that point.
[14:33] <booney> Ah, I see. Guess I've been doing that already haha. It's a good technique.
[14:33] <quietness> hmm, maybe I should try that daydream technique. sounds like a great tech
[14:33] <@CanisLucidus> My goal is to be able to remember my entire day in detail, which forces me to get into the habit of being observant, stopping and paying attention.
[14:33] <Michael073> Yea i do that too what CanisLucidus says
[14:33] <Michael073> i play it all again in my mind during the day
[14:34] <@CanisLucidus> I used to do a waking journal but it's very hard work. Very effective, but just a lot of work!
[14:34] <@CanisLucidus> Switching to this gives me almost the same results but it's far more fun.
[14:34] <@CanisLucidus> Also helps visualization skills. IMO.
[14:34] <quietness> ah. i tried something like that, CanisLucidus. with the ADA, except that I tend to think where I was five minutes ago and where i will be 5 minutes later
[14:34] <@CanisLucidus> That's a good RC too, yeah!
[14:35] <@CanisLucidus> When you play it back l ike a tape recording, that's very much like what morning dream recall is like
[14:35] <@CanisLucidus> Then upon waking, don't move... grab some piece of the dream, anything you can, and fight like hell to spool it back up
[14:35] <@CanisLucidus> I once got a dream back by writing "Vague anxiety" and staring at that for 3 mnutes. Then the whole thing came back.
[14:36] <@Chimpertainment> LUCID DREAMING -- has some helpful links
[14:36] <Demonbot> Title: LUCID DREAMING (at LUCID DREAMING)
[14:36] <Michael073> I think my dream recall is pretty strong, i still got my first second and third lucid fresh in my memory.. also the dreams i had 10 days agi
[14:36] <Michael073> ago
[14:36] <@OpheliaBlue> I like to remember key words and link them together. Helps keep me from forgetting everything until I get to my journal
[14:36] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: That is a great technique... I saved several NLDs using that (which I of course got from you)
[14:37] <Michael073> What i do when i wake up is close my eyes and replay my whole dream for 2 times and then i write everything in detail down.. its always so accurate
[14:37] <@OpheliaBlue> glad it worked!
[14:37] <@CanisLucidus> Michael073: that's perfect
[14:37] <@Chimpertainment> Michael073: that is a very good way of doing it
[14:37] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, replaying is awesome, sometimes replaying in my mind leads me into a DEILD
[14:37] <@Chimpertainment> i always become aware long after my dream has ended
[14:37] <@OpheliaBlue> kind of like incubating the same dream
[14:38] <Michael073> once i have recalled it (which takes normally about 1-2 minutes) i really don't forget it anymore
[14:38] <Michael073> and then im writing it down on my phone and its amazing how longgggg i can keep writing without forgetting
[14:38] <@Chimpertainment> well, im off...hope to be around this evening...ill cyall later!
[14:38] <Michael073> some are like 4+ text messages long
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[14:38] <@CanisLucidus> have a good afternoon chimpertainment!
[14:39] <quietness> Thanx, Chimpertainment take care
[14:39] <booney> Sometimes when I'm at work I'll hear or smell something and it triggers a dream I had days, week or even months ago.
[14:39] <booney> Weird how random memories of a dream just pop into your head like that
[14:39] <@CanisLucidus> booney: Cool! It's usually too scrambled for me to get more than deja vu
[14:39] <Michael073> yea thats true booney
[14:40] <quietness> i used to get them more often, memories of a dream during the day, i mean, but not anymore
[14:41] <booney> It will come back I'm sure.
[14:41] <booney> Halfway through my progress I had a dryspell, very anoying. Even more so because you KNOW that they are there, the dreams, just out of reach.
[14:42] <quietness> yeah, although i'm hoping for more LDs over that (>_<)
[14:42] <quietness> I know the feeling. I've been having dry spells lately (T_T)
[14:42] <quietness> it's like the dreams are trying to escape my clutches
[14:43] <@CanisLucidus> Fortunately, it all does come back down to awareness. While ADA can be exhausting and daunting, sporadic awareness I find really fits better in a real life
[14:44] <@CanisLucidus> quietness: It sounds like your stress has increased. How is your sleep? Are you able to keep waking life concerns away from your sleep?
[14:44] <@CanisLucidus> I find that if I have a real-life concern on my mind, it will jump back to my mind upon waking, crowding out dream memories immediately
[14:44] <quietness> I think I was able to. I usually wake up trying to remember dreams, not concerns.
[14:45] <Michael073> Oh btw if anyone wants to read my epic lucid: Superjumping and Neo taught me fighting, and I defeated him. - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views ... u wont regret it! haha!.. i wish there was some 'lucid of the month' contest.. then i would really apply!
[14:45] <quietness> but i still find it difficult to remember
[14:45] <@OpheliaBlue> haha ok Michael073 , reading
[14:46] <Michael073> tell me what u think OpheliaBlue !!! and u should add some 'lucid of the month' contest.. or does it already exists ?
[14:47] <@OpheliaBlue> not exactly, but Matte has lucid competitions in DVA, you should check them out!
[14:47] <Michael073> Alright!
[14:48] <booney> Cool lucid Michael!
[14:48] <quietness> eepp (@_@) Too bright
[14:49] <Michael073> thanks booney
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[14:49] <@OpheliaBlue> haha quietness , I highlited it while reading, made it easier
[14:49] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah cool lucid, lots of action
[14:49] <booney> I've only been punching boulders and flying a little so far in my lucids (2)
[14:50] <Michael073> i guess i even spawned a dream character with good detail since he looked exacty like neo
[14:50] <Michael073> i have only had 3 lucids booney
[14:50] <@OpheliaBlue> that's good, summoning specific characters isn't always easy
[14:50] <Michael073> i dunno
[14:50] <Michael073> i just did it, i guess?
[14:50] <booney> Can't wait to go to bed now.
[14:50] <@CanisLucidus> Really nice, Michael... that's amazing, esp. for #3!
[14:50] <Michael073> cant really explain how haha
[14:51] <Michael073> thanks canis
[14:51] <Michael073> the SALSA DANCE!! was so fun..
[14:51] <@OpheliaBlue> no that's good, the less you think hard about it, and just letit happen, the better
[14:51] <@CanisLucidus> Don't judge all your LDs by this standard
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[14:52] <Michael073> i know, then i get too much expectation.. i don't want that
[14:52] <quietness> LOL, @ salsa dance
[14:52] <@OpheliaBlue> hey frobthebuilder
[14:52] <Michael073> haha
[14:52] <@CanisLucidus> Hi fro
[14:52] <@CanisLucidus> LOL hi frobthebuilder
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[14:52] <@OpheliaBlue> I can see how doing the salsa would help you dodge hi[ shots
[14:52] <@OpheliaBlue> hip*
[14:52] <Michael073> yea some more people LOLed at the salsa dance quietness
[14:52] <Michael073>
[14:52] <Michael073> hahah
[14:53] <Michael073> i dont even know the salsa
[14:53] <Michael073> but alright
[14:53] <Michael073> i just did the same as neo
[14:54] <Michael073> and the super jumping feeling was so cool.. it was almost like i felt something like a freefall while going down
[14:54] <Michael073> really weird but very cool
[14:54] <@CanisLucidus> LD #3 was my first super jump too, heh heh... you never forget that feeling
[14:54] <booney> Well,I got some new goals out of todays chat and a little confidence boost. Gonna go now. Bye everyone!
[14:54] <@CanisLucidus> have a great night of dreaming booney
[14:55] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya booney
[14:55] <Michael073> Bye booney!
[14:55] <@OpheliaBlue> sweet LDs!
[14:55] <booney> Ow I will! Canis Bye!
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[14:55] <@OpheliaBlue> I love lucid flying.. I don't do it nearly enough.
[14:55] <Michael073> Haha, yea since last night i love it too
[14:55] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: I really dug that magic carpet ride. Or magic mattress ride. Whatever, it was cool.
[14:56] <Michael073> that freefall feeling while superjumping... so real and amazing
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[14:56] <icetwy> OI
[14:56] <@CanisLucidus> You did that maybe a month ago?
[14:56] <icetwy> Hello everyone!
[14:56] <@OpheliaBlue> magic mattress haha.. you know I meant to clarify before, I wasn't controllign it at all
[14:56] <@CanisLucidus> hello icetwy !
[14:56] <@OpheliaBlue> hey icetwy !
[14:56] <icetwy> I had no idea there was a DVA class tonight
[14:56] <icetwy> ;o
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[14:56] <@OpheliaBlue> wb realdealmagic
[14:56] <@CanisLucidus> wb realdealmagic
[14:56] <quietness> I have to go as well I still have time for sleep before sunrise and attempt LD
[14:56] <@realdealmagic> ty
[14:56] <quietness> nice chatting with everyone ^_^
[14:57] <@CanisLucidus> great talking to you quietness ! good night
[14:57] <@realdealmagic> will be missing about 10 minutes of logs
[14:57] <@OpheliaBlue> ok see ya quietness , thanks for joining
[14:57] <Michael073> Alright quietness, thanks for ur info
[14:57] <@OpheliaBlue> np, I got it all
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[14:58] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm going to have to try lucid cooking one of these days... OOOOOoooo TOTM: fry an egg
[14:58] <@OpheliaBlue> basic task lol
[14:58] <@OpheliaBlue> it's such an intimate little task, and you gotta crack the egg, turn on the stove, flip it. Oh man I wanna do it
[14:59] <Michael073> hahahaha
[14:59] <Michael073> Cool idea Ophelia
[14:59] <Michael073>
[15:00] <Exotiraan> Time to log, yet?
[15:00] <@CanisLucidus> OpheliaBlue: Nice Not necessarily a gimme either
[15:00] <@OpheliaBlue> yes Exotiraan thanks!
[15:00] <@OpheliaBlue> !away me too
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Ok holidays are over, and hopefully most of you in school have finished with finals. So time to get back on track with classes. I'm going to attempt to schedule future chat classes in #DVA to reflect the most popular preferences per this poll. Please vote there if you haven't already.

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Wednesday, January 16, at 8pm CST.
• Thursday, January 17, at 10am CST. CANCELLED - teacher is ill.

Quick Reminder: To join #DVA, click on "CHAT" at the top of the forum. Once you're in, type:
/join #DVA

Once class has started, if you still have trouble getting in, feel free to PM either me, ShockWave, or melanieb. We will do our best to assist you in joining the class as quickly as possible. Look forward to it!

Hello! I see its been a while. Unless otherwise noted, there's a DVA coming up this weekend!

-#DVA: Mechanics of Sleep/Sleep Cycles and Dream Recall, Saturday at 2pm CST [3/16/2013]

Originally Posted by Alucinor XIII

Hello! I see its been a while. Unless otherwise noted, there's a DVA coming up this weekend!

-#DVA: Mechanics of Sleep/Sleep Cycles and Dream Recall, Saturday at 2pm CST [3/16/2013]

Just a quick reminder for people living in other parts of the world: America is now on Daylight Savings Time, meaning that your time zone will be an hour closer than usual. Class is at 7PM GMT instead of 8PM GMT, for example.

Next Intro #DVA class will be this Thursday, 3/28 at 6pm CST / 11pm GMT

-Topic: Mechanics of Sleep/Sleep Cycles and Dream Recall

Spoiler for DVA 3/28/13:

25 [03/28/13 19:00:05] @Alucinor^XIII: Oh shit
25 [03/28/13 19:00:08] @Alucinor^XIII: IT...
25 [03/28/13 19:00:09] @Alucinor^XIII: BEGINS
25 [03/28/13 19:00:13] @Kraom: yea
25 [03/28/13 19:00:18] @Kraom: im even here
25 [03/28/13 19:00:19] @Kraom: !
25 [03/28/13 19:00:30] @Alucinor^XIII: Well...at least we have a few of the students here this time >_>
25 [03/28/13 19:00:43] @Kraom: what happened last time
25 [03/28/13 19:00:43] @Alucinor^XIII: And hello Kraom =]
25 [03/28/13 19:00:45] @Kraom: NO ONE came?!
25 [03/28/13 19:00:47] @Alucinor^XIII: It flopped
25 [03/28/13 19:00:48] @Kraom: hi
25 [03/28/13 19:00:48] @Alucinor^XIII: Yeah.
25 [03/28/13 19:01:02] @Kraom: well i should just make a post about how ill be here then everyone will come
25 [03/28/13 19:01:06] @Kraom:
25 [03/28/13 19:01:12] @Alucinor^XIII: Obviously
25 [03/28/13 19:01:13] @Alucinor^XIII:
25 [03/28/13 19:01:29] @Kraom: although it doesnt look like a pm was sent
25 [03/28/13 19:01:30] @Kraom: so
25 [03/28/13 19:01:35] @Kraom: that might not help haha
25 [03/28/13 19:01:43] @Alucinor^XIII: Yeah. There was supposed to be a second mass PM today
25 [03/28/13 19:01:47] @Kraom: mhm.
25 [03/28/13 19:01:49] @Alucinor^XIII: But ophie kinda dropped the ball.
25 [03/28/13 19:01:52] @Alucinor^XIII: But its alright
25 [03/28/13 19:02:14] @Kraom: mhmm
25 [03/28/13 19:03:40] @Alucinor^XIII: Looks like we're gonna have a repeat of last time
25 [03/28/13 19:03:50] lbkali2710: no no!! please have the class
25 [03/28/13 19:03:52] @melanieb:
25 [03/28/13 19:03:53] @Kraom: mmmmm
25 [03/28/13 19:04:02] @melanieb: Teach it and they will come
25 [03/28/13 19:04:08] @Kraom: ALRIGHT lbkali2710 What do you wanna know
25 [03/28/13 19:04:14] @Alucinor^XIII: Lol
25 [03/28/13 19:04:15] @Kraom: GO GO ASK ASK
25 [03/28/13 19:04:34] @Alucinor^XIII: Yeah. well
25 [03/28/13 19:04:40] @Alucinor^XIII: Topic is Sleep Cycles and Dream Recall
25 [03/28/13 19:04:40] lbkali2710: hahahaha im sorry, its just im pumped up on caffeine and its late where i come from
25 [03/28/13 19:04:56] @Kraom: pisaw we dont need a topic
25 [03/28/13 19:05:12] @Kraom: and i was serious
25 [03/28/13 19:05:14] @Kraom: !!!
25 [03/28/13 19:05:25] @Kraom: youre the only one so ill teach you THEEE WORLD
25 [03/28/13 19:05:37] @Kraom: actually i guess Alucinor^XIII should hes the host
25 [03/28/13 19:05:39] lbkali2710: oh haha, well
25 [03/28/13 19:05:52] @Alucinor^XIII: Well, all the apprentices are the host
25 [03/28/13 19:05:58] lbkali2710: do i have to have an established sleeping pattern every night to know my sleep sycles? and whe i have my rem ?
25 [03/28/13 19:06:03] @Kraom: NO NO she mentioned you BY NAME
25 [03/28/13 19:06:32] @Alucinor^XIII: It definitely helps lbkali2710
25 [03/28/13 19:06:33] @Kraom: well its always good to have a set sleep pattern but i finding if you deviate from it on the same day like a weekend it works out fine
25 [03/28/13 19:06:40] @Kraom: find*
25 [03/28/13 19:07:06] @Alucinor^XIII: Minor variances are fine. But if you're bed time varies as much as 1.5-2 hours a night
25 [03/28/13 19:07:10] @Alucinor^XIII: it can kinda throw things off
25 [03/28/13 19:07:22] lbkali2710: yeah, that has been my problem
25 [03/28/13 19:07:37] lbkali2710: my dream recall is fine but i really dont recall details
25 [03/28/13 19:07:46] @Kraom: that happens to me..
25 [03/28/13 19:07:48] lbkali2710: like things that can potentially be dream signs? i guess
25 [03/28/13 19:07:57] lbkali2710: what should i look out for?
25 [03/28/13 19:07:58] @Kraom: ill recall events but with no deets
25 [03/28/13 19:08:05] lbkali2710: yes exactly
25 [03/28/13 19:08:09] lbkali2710: the major picture
20 [03/28/13 19:08:17] paigeyemps|Asleep [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
25 [03/28/13 19:08:30] @Kraom: yea you just gotta keep going and if you journal your dreams everyday youll eventually be able to recall in full detail
25 [03/28/13 19:08:31] paigeyemps|Asleep: Hello?
25 [03/28/13 19:08:34] paigeyemps|Asleep: Oh
25 [03/28/13 19:08:37] @Kraom: thats really my only advice on how i overcame it
25 [03/28/13 19:08:42] @Kraom: PAIGEY
25 [03/28/13 19:08:45] lbkali2710: hey
25 [03/28/13 19:08:58] paigeyemps|Asleep: Yayyyy i convinced my mom to let me use the internet lol
25 [03/28/13 19:09:02] @Alucinor^XIII: Lmao
25 [03/28/13 19:09:02] paigeyemps|Asleep: Hello everyone ¯\_(°?°)_/¯
25 [03/28/13 19:09:14] @Kraom: HELLLO
37 [03/28/13 19:09:23] paigeyemps|Asleep [[email protected]] is now known as paigeyemps
25 [03/28/13 19:09:30] @Alucinor^XIII: lbkali2710: interestingly enough, you can do the complete opposite and have a REM rebound to break dry spells.
25 [03/28/13 19:09:37] @Alucinor^XIII: If you stay up REAAAALY late, and only sleep 3-4 hours
25 [03/28/13 19:09:43] @Alucinor^XIII: And go to bed early the following night
25 [03/28/13 19:09:51] @Alucinor^XIII: Your brain makes up for the lost sleep and you have whats called REM rebound
25 [03/28/13 19:09:59] @Alucinor^XIII: but I dont recomend doing that frequently
25 [03/28/13 19:10:04] @Alucinor^XIII: it'll burn you out
25 [03/28/13 19:10:08] lbkali2710: well a day ago, i stayed up really late
25 [03/28/13 19:10:14] lbkali2710: and slept for 3 hours
25 [03/28/13 19:10:19] lbkali2710: and yesterday
25 [03/28/13 19:10:22] @Kraom: mmmm mmm i stayed up late then took a nap this afternoon, was havin dreams
25 [03/28/13 19:10:26] lbkali2710: i slept for about 16 hours straight
25 [03/28/13 19:10:35] lbkali2710: and i did recall alot of dreams
25 [03/28/13 19:10:40] lbkali2710: but not sure if thats what you mean
25 [03/28/13 19:10:44] @Alucinor^XIII: Yup
25 [03/28/13 19:10:47] @Alucinor^XIII: Exactly it.
25 [03/28/13 19:10:56] @Alucinor^XIII: I dont think I've ever slept 16 hours though
25 [03/28/13 19:10:57] @Alucinor^XIII: lol
25 [03/28/13 19:11:00] @Alucinor^XIII: 12 maybe
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25 [03/28/13 19:11:04] @Alucinor^XIII: 14 is my record
25 [03/28/13 19:11:05] lbkali2710: oooh yeah but i felt horrible today so wont try it again lol
25 [03/28/13 19:11:07] @Kraom: i have but not after staying up late
25 [03/28/13 19:11:09] @Alucinor^XIII: Hello nova357
25 [03/28/13 19:11:16] @Kraom: ill brb
34 [03/28/13 19:11:18] Kraom [[email protected]] has quit IRC: Quit: Page closed
25 [03/28/13 19:11:24] nova357: Hello Alucinor^XIII
20 [03/28/13 19:11:32] kraom [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
51 [03/28/13 19:11:32] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +v kraom
51 [03/28/13 19:11:33] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +o kraom
25 [03/28/13 19:11:35] @kraom: back
25 [03/28/13 19:11:37] paigeyemps: Ohh i slept 19 hours once
25 [03/28/13 19:11:41] paigeyemps: Wb kraom
25 [03/28/13 19:11:45] @kraom: ty ty
25 [03/28/13 19:11:45] @Alucinor^XIII: Yeah, just looked at your workbook lbkali2710. 2-3 dreams a night isn't bad at all
25 [03/28/13 19:11:50] @Alucinor^XIII: Are they fairly detailed
25 [03/28/13 19:11:54] @Alucinor^XIII: or more like foggy memories?
25 [03/28/13 19:12:12] lbkali2710: well the parts i remember are okay! some details but a bit foggy
25 [03/28/13 19:12:18] lbkali2710: but i do forget large chunks of the dream
25 [03/28/13 19:12:26] nova357: brb
25 [03/28/13 19:12:37] lbkali2710: but last year when i really
20 [03/28/13 19:12:56] dutchraptor [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
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25 [03/28/13 19:13:15] lbkali2710: wanted ot lucid dream, i had very good dream recall but suddenly alot of my dreams turned into really boring mundane dreams, like me sitting and scrolling on the computer
37 [03/28/13 19:13:16] melanieb [[email protected]] is now known as melanieb|Away
25 [03/28/13 19:13:36] @kraom: ive never had boring dreams before
25 [03/28/13 19:13:37] @kraom: :x
25 [03/28/13 19:13:46] lbkali2710: so i kinda felt like i could never figure out if i am dreaming or not
25 [03/28/13 19:13:52] %dutchraptor: what is this mystery chatroom?
25 [03/28/13 19:14:03] @Alucinor^XIII: This is the "classroom"
25 [03/28/13 19:14:09] @Alucinor^XIII: for the Dream Views Academy
25 [03/28/13 19:14:10] @Alucinor^XIII:
25 [03/28/13 19:14:19] %dutchraptor: damn that means helping people
25 [03/28/13 19:14:19] @kraom: NO NO its the island of misfit toys
25 [03/28/13 19:14:23] @Alucinor^XIII: lol
25 [03/28/13 19:14:27] @Alucinor^XIII: or asking questions dutchraptor
25 [03/28/13 19:14:33] @kraom: YEA you got question
32 [03/28/13 19:14:37] kraom is an expert
25 [03/28/13 19:14:39] paigeyemps: Wait what was the topic again?
25 [03/28/13 19:14:40] %dutchraptor: can you help me lucid drmea
25 [03/28/13 19:14:42] @kraom: haha
25 [03/28/13 19:14:42] paigeyemps: :3
25 [03/28/13 19:14:47] paigeyemps: Lol dutch
25 [03/28/13 19:14:49] @Alucinor^XIII: paigeyemps: Generally, Dream Recall and Sleep Cycles
25 [03/28/13 19:14:50] @Alucinor^XIII: buuuut
25 [03/28/13 19:14:54] @Alucinor^XIII: whatever the convo leads to in practice
25 [03/28/13 19:14:55] paigeyemps: Ah nice
25 [03/28/13 19:15:36] %dutchraptor: I wnna lucd dream bt I dnt wnna wrk 4 it, wt do i do!!1111!!!
25 [03/28/13 19:15:41] paigeyemps: I find it really amazing how your recall exponentiates the more you try
25 [03/28/13 19:15:48] paigeyemps: Exponentiates? Is that a word even?
25 [03/28/13 19:15:52] %dutchraptor: lolol
25 [03/28/13 19:16:00] @kraom: i dun knaw dutchz mange you could liek hournal or sumthinz
25 [03/28/13 19:16:11] paigeyemps: stahp
25 [03/28/13 19:16:17] @kraom: what
25 [03/28/13 19:16:17] @kraom: ?
25 [03/28/13 19:16:19] paigeyemps: Interoperate my dremas plz halp
25 [03/28/13 19:16:26] %dutchraptor: I get that question like every few days
25 [03/28/13 19:16:26] paigeyemps: x)
20 [03/28/13 19:16:31] Alucinor^XIII^ [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
51 [03/28/13 19:16:32] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +v Alucinor^XIII^
51 [03/28/13 19:16:33] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +o Alucinor^XIII^
25 [03/28/13 19:16:36] @kraom: i always link people definitions from dreammoods for interpreting :3
25 [03/28/13 19:16:37] paigeyemps: Wb aluuu
25 [03/28/13 19:16:44] %dutchraptor: people asking me to help them lucid dream without having to do work
25 [03/28/13 19:16:46] @Alucinor^XIII^: Yay internetfail
25 [03/28/13 19:16:49] paigeyemps: Oh btw i wanted to ask
25 [03/28/13 19:17:21] paigeyemps: How many hours do you guys sleep?
32 [03/28/13 19:17:21] kraom is waiting
25 [03/28/13 19:17:25] @kraom: OH
25 [03/28/13 19:17:27] @kraom: hmm
25 [03/28/13 19:17:33] @kraom: 10-12 lol
25 [03/28/13 19:17:38] @Alucinor^XIII^: 8-9 hours when I have work
25 [03/28/13 19:17:43] @Alucinor^XIII^: 10-12 whenever I can
25 [03/28/13 19:17:43] %dutchraptor: 7-9
25 [03/28/13 19:17:44] @Alucinor^XIII^:
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25 [03/28/13 19:17:57] %dutchraptor: I prefer 9
25 [03/28/13 19:17:57] paigeyemps: Nice
25 [03/28/13 19:17:58] @Alucinor^XIII^: BYE ME
25 [03/28/13 19:17:58] @kraom: bye
25 [03/28/13 19:18:12] paigeyemps: I've only been getting 4-5 for the past 2 months
25 [03/28/13 19:18:13] paigeyemps: ;___;
25 [03/28/13 19:18:14] @kraom: yea if i sleep tooooo much then
25 [03/28/13 19:18:22] @kraom: i dont remember dreams
25 [03/28/13 19:18:26] %dutchraptor: same
25 [03/28/13 19:18:26] paigeyemps: But somehow i've been getting a bunch of lucids as well
25 [03/28/13 19:18:39] %dutchraptor: that can happen
25 [03/28/13 19:18:42] @kraom: like i had a long lucid BUT couldnt remember hardly any cause i just go back to sleep
25 [03/28/13 19:18:43] @Alucinor^XIII^: Probably consistent REM rebound
25 [03/28/13 19:18:49] @Alucinor^XIII^: Just like polyphasic sleep
25 [03/28/13 19:18:52] @Alucinor^XIII^: Your body learns
24 [03/28/13 19:18:55] &Kendalina^_^`: O.O
25 [03/28/13 19:18:55] nova357: I'm back
25 [03/28/13 19:18:58] @Alucinor^XIII^: Oh shit-- we're not getting enough REM
25 [03/28/13 19:18:59] paigeyemps: Wb
25 [03/28/13 19:19:03] @Alucinor^XIII^: And starts making up for it
25 [03/28/13 19:19:14] @kraom: the uberman sleep schedule GO!
25 [03/28/13 19:19:18] @Alucinor^XIII^: Buuut, its interfering with your deep sleep, so its definitely going to wear you out, if it hasn't already
25 [03/28/13 19:19:20] %dutchraptor: and then you fall asleep half way throuhg the day
20 [03/28/13 19:19:36] TehDalek [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
32 [03/28/13 19:19:41] TehDalek lurks quietly
25 [03/28/13 19:19:48] @Alucinor^XIII^: No lurking
25 [03/28/13 19:19:49] @Alucinor^XIII^: ask questions
32 [03/28/13 19:19:50] kraom FINDS THE PITCHFORKS
25 [03/28/13 19:19:51] %dutchraptor: holy crap another one has found the lair
25 [03/28/13 19:20:10] %dutchraptor: unlyrical lyrics
25 [03/28/13 19:20:17] nova357: Is there a way to make it auto-scroll?
25 [03/28/13 19:20:21] @kraom: RIGHT
32 [03/28/13 19:20:22] Alucinor^XIII^ pokes Niichan
25 [03/28/13 19:20:29] @kraom: gotta get an actual IRC client
32 [03/28/13 19:20:31] Alucinor^XIII^ pokes OmkAR
25 [03/28/13 19:20:33] @kraom: @_@ so much work
25 [03/28/13 19:20:40] nova357: ok
25 [03/28/13 19:20:42] %dutchraptor: autoscroll what
25 [03/28/13 19:20:48] TehDalek: Ask questions? Okay. Anyone seen a memory in good detail/not dreamified thru lucid dreaming?
25 [03/28/13 19:20:50] @kraom: the page
25 [03/28/13 19:20:54] @Alucinor^XIII^: nova357: It should automatically =/
25 [03/28/13 19:21:02] nova357: let me re-log
25 [03/28/13 19:21:04] %dutchraptor: TehDalek: elaborate
25 [03/28/13 19:21:08] @kraom: NO it doesnt work
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25 [03/28/13 19:21:15] %dutchraptor: mine auto scrolls
25 [03/28/13 19:21:17] @Alucinor^XIII^: TehDalek: You mean uncovering memories you "forgot"
25 [03/28/13 19:21:19] @kraom: so you mean a past memory
25 [03/28/13 19:21:19] paigeyemps: nova357: quit and re-_>
25 [03/28/13 19:21:19] TehDalek: I mean watch a memory without strange things showing up
25 [03/28/13 19:21:20] paigeyemps: Ok
25 [03/28/13 19:21:20] @Alucinor^XIII^: or just viewing memories?
25 [03/28/13 19:21:23] @kraom: like from childhood
25 [03/28/13 19:21:24] TehDalek: Either
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25 [03/28/13 19:21:32] @Alucinor^XIII^: I havent actually
25 [03/28/13 19:21:38] %dutchraptor: its not possible
25 [03/28/13 19:21:40] paigeyemps: Wb nova
25 [03/28/13 19:21:41] Niichan: mm?
25 [03/28/13 19:21:42] %dutchraptor: unfortunately
25 [03/28/13 19:21:45] paigeyemps: I havent either
25 [03/28/13 19:21:50] TehDalek: What makes it not possible?
25 [03/28/13 19:21:53] paigeyemps: Not a pure memory
25 [03/28/13 19:21:54] @Alucinor^XIII^: I've been to places from my childhood that were remarkably close
25 [03/28/13 19:21:59] %dutchraptor: let me explain
32 [03/28/13 19:22:04] Niichan pokes Alucinor^XIII^
25 [03/28/13 19:22:15] %dutchraptor: looking at a computer first
25 [03/28/13 19:22:17] @Alucinor^XIII^: Niichan: Participaaaaate
25 [03/28/13 19:22:22] Niichan: in?
25 [03/28/13 19:22:23] paigeyemps: The sad thing is that every time you remember a memory, some aspect of it always changes
25 [03/28/13 19:22:28] paigeyemps: In some little way
25 [03/28/13 19:22:31] @Alucinor^XIII^: Niichan: the DVA class here. it has begun
25 [03/28/13 19:22:32] @Alucinor^XIII^:
25 [03/28/13 19:22:39] Niichan: paigeyemps: Not nessecarily
25 [03/28/13 19:22:40] @Alucinor^XIII^: Thats true paigeyemps
25 [03/28/13 19:22:45] %dutchraptor: The way a computer loads msot things up, is by loading them into the ram
25 [03/28/13 19:22:46] paigeyemps: What
25 [03/28/13 19:22:48] @Alucinor^XIII^: I have to agree.
25 [03/28/13 19:22:48] paigeyemps: Lol
25 [03/28/13 19:22:51] paigeyemps: Im confused now
25 [03/28/13 19:23:01] Niichan: From what we have noticed, recall does not alter memories
25 [03/28/13 19:23:02] @kraom: what am computer?
25 [03/28/13 19:23:13] paigeyemps: Niichan: nah i mean
25 [03/28/13 19:23:15] Niichan: Moods when you recall them can alter their presence in your mind
25 [03/28/13 19:23:22] paigeyemps: Memories in general
25 [03/28/13 19:23:31] %dutchraptor: shitty mc******* too much posting
25 [03/28/13 19:23:36] Niichan: Again, simply false
25 [03/28/13 19:23:39] Niichan: Proof: Your name
25 [03/28/13 19:23:46] Niichan: You have memory of that
25 [03/28/13 19:23:47] %dutchraptor: memories are edited everytime we recall them
25 [03/28/13 19:23:48] paigeyemps: I dont think you can perfectly recall an event
25 [03/28/13 19:23:51] Niichan: Does your name change?
25 [03/28/13 19:23:59] @kraom: fight fight fight
25 [03/28/13 19:24:00] TehDalek: I would think since all things you experience go into memory in some way, that you could watch a memory straight from the subconscious database
25 [03/28/13 19:24:00] @Alucinor^XIII^: Thats very simple though
25 [03/28/13 19:24:14] @Alucinor^XIII^: A name, as compared to a detailed situation in the real world
25 [03/28/13 19:24:17] %dutchraptor: TehDalek: nope you relive it everytime you recall it
25 [03/28/13 19:24:17] paigeyemps: Well that's a very objective thing, ofc my name doesnt change
25 [03/28/13 19:24:18] @Alucinor^XIII^: is not very complex
25 [03/28/13 19:24:31] Niichan: So is getting hit by a truck
25 [03/28/13 19:24:49] Niichan: Still
25 [03/28/13 19:25:00] Niichan: People remember it wrongly because it was stored wrongly
25 [03/28/13 19:25:03] %dutchraptor: Niichan: obviously you remember your name, you hear it 100 times a day
25 [03/28/13 19:25:03] paigeyemps: You might think you remember it, but im not sure you can actually get all the details down after some time
25 [03/28/13 19:25:10] paigeyemps: It'll start to get hazy
25 [03/28/13 19:25:18] %dutchraptor: anyone ever watch the program on witnesses?
25 [03/28/13 19:25:31] %dutchraptor: how only 2/30 could accurately recall a robery
25 [03/28/13 19:25:36] Niichan: dutchraptor: There is more to a name than just your legal name
25 [03/28/13 19:25:44] paigeyemps: Oh i watched something on nat geo about that
25 [03/28/13 19:25:58] paigeyemps: "test your brain' i think was the title
25 [03/28/13 19:26:00] Niichan: There's nicknames, alii, handles, thoughtspace literals
25 [03/28/13 19:26:02] %dutchraptor: it was really easy to implant false memories into the witnesses
25 [03/28/13 19:26:04] @Alucinor^XIII^: Well, back to the question, I think it can be done in a sense TehDalek, but things are gonna change
25 [03/28/13 19:26:06] @Alucinor^XIII^: However
25 [03/28/13 19:26:15] @Alucinor^XIII^: HOW they change will be very indicative of how you view
25 [03/28/13 19:26:19] TehDalek: So you can get the gist of it?
25 [03/28/13 19:26:22] Nova357: what is the question?
25 [03/28/13 19:26:36] paigeyemps: TehDalek: yeah
25 [03/28/13 19:26:43] TehDalek: Nova357: "Anyone seen a memory in good detail/not dreamified thru lucid dreaming?"
25 [03/28/13 19:26:44] Niichan: Asking about a memory incursion into a lucid dream
25 [03/28/13 19:26:59] %dutchraptor: you can relive moments, and there is no reason not to, since wether they change or not is irrelevant, if you dont relive them you will forget them
25 [03/28/13 19:27:06] paigeyemps: Indeed
25 [03/28/13 19:27:11] @Alucinor^XIII^: Yeah. Lets say you were remembering a detail about a fight you were in, and in the dream's version of the memory, the person you were arguing with breaks down and starts crying. It might show some guitl that underlies the memory TehDalek
25 [03/28/13 19:27:14] @Alucinor^XIII^: if that makes any sense
25 [03/28/13 19:27:50] @Alucinor^XIII^: In short, the way a dream may portray the memory may lead to some self discovery, ina sense
25 [03/28/13 19:27:52] TehDalek: makes sense. The dream will change the unknown or modify certain pieces to get a point across
25 [03/28/13 19:27:55] Niichan: Oh, we're talking about the memory in frame of refernce to the fream
25 [03/28/13 19:28:09] Niichan: I thought you meant the dream altering the memory in storage
25 [03/28/13 19:28:16] @Alucinor^XIII^: Yeah
25 [03/28/13 19:28:16] @Alucinor^XIII^:
25 [03/28/13 19:28:27] paigeyemps: Niichan: haha yeah
25 [03/28/13 19:28:50] paigeyemps: !brb
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25 [03/28/13 19:28:56] TehDalek: So I should be able to dream a scene in which I practiced full awareness in real life? Like one time I was extremely aware of my surroundings for over 15 minutes, for the simple reason of recalling it through dreaming
25 [03/28/13 19:29:35] %dutchraptor: Offcourse, but it can still be slightly altered
25 [03/28/13 19:29:40] @Alucinor^XIII^: Makes sense. The more aware you are during the day, the more vividly it is imprinted on you
25 [03/28/13 19:29:52] @Alucinor^XIII^: So, a dreams recollection of it would be equally vivid
25 [03/28/13 19:29:54] @kraom: i dream of places ive been all the time but theyre always altered
25 [03/28/13 19:29:55] @Alucinor^XIII^: in thoery anyway
25 [03/28/13 19:30:04] @Alucinor^XIII^: Again, the mind will always change things a little
25 [03/28/13 19:30:11] @Alucinor^XIII^: and those alterations are great to analyze
25 [03/28/13 19:30:14] @Alucinor^XIII^: sometimes they may just be random
25 [03/28/13 19:30:14] TehDalek: And if something is completely lost in waking memory, it most likely will not be recallable in dreams then
25 [03/28/13 19:30:22] @Alucinor^XIII^: but sometimes they have some hidden meanins about the psyche
25 [03/28/13 19:30:28] %dutchraptor: can anyone really say that they remember perfectly every event in there first few lucids?
25 [03/28/13 19:30:39] @kraom: YES
25 [03/28/13 19:30:45] Nova357: I can
25 [03/28/13 19:30:49] @kraom: i was like im dreaming AND NOW IM NOT.
25 [03/28/13 19:30:49] @Alucinor^XIII^: I think I remember a great deal of them
25 [03/28/13 19:31:00] TehDalek: I forgot things about my non-lucid dream just last night. heh
25 [03/28/13 19:31:05] %dutchraptor: yes but I mean just as vividly as when you woke up
25 [03/28/13 19:31:06] @Alucinor^XIII^: I'm sad to say that I somehow lost my first dream journal
25 [03/28/13 19:31:07] @Alucinor^XIII^: :<
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25 [03/28/13 19:31:13] @kraom: what the
25 [03/28/13 19:31:14] @Alucinor^XIII^: Bonjour Texture!
25 [03/28/13 19:31:23] Texture: Hey! Did I miss it?
25 [03/28/13 19:31:26] @Alucinor^XIII^: Nah
25 [03/28/13 19:31:29] @Alucinor^XIII^: Its still rollin
25 [03/28/13 19:31:38] @kraom: what if he lives in like east coast or something
25 [03/28/13 19:31:39] Texture: Alright cool
25 [03/28/13 19:31:45] @kraom: then its BONSOIR
25 [03/28/13 19:31:48] Nova357: I can remember my first few lucids from start to finish
25 [03/28/13 19:31:54] @kraom:
25 [03/28/13 19:32:02] %dutchraptor: Nova357: how mmuch lucids?
25 [03/28/13 19:32:06] @Alucinor^XIII^: Hows your recall lately Texture?
25 [03/28/13 19:32:38] @Alucinor^XIII^: Well, considering that my first lucid was 5-6 years ago or something
25 [03/28/13 19:32:41] @Alucinor^XIII^: I think I remember it quite well
25 [03/28/13 19:32:42] @Alucinor^XIII^:
25 [03/28/13 19:32:49] Texture: Pretty terrible
25 [03/28/13 19:33:03] Texture: I find my recall is linked to how consistent I am with my sleep schedule
25 [03/28/13 19:33:07] @Alucinor^XIII^: Bingo
25 [03/28/13 19:33:07] %dutchraptor: yes but all the time you have thought of it, do you not think it might be different than the orignal
25 [03/28/13 19:33:08] @Alucinor^XIII^:
25 [03/28/13 19:33:08] Texture: and I completely blew that up last night
25 [03/28/13 19:33:10] Nova357: I'd say ~7 but with a few I have no idea about
25 [03/28/13 19:33:31] %dutchraptor: Nova357: lol Im talking about people that have had 100+
25 [03/28/13 19:33:55] TehDalek: I've had about 15 lucids and I remember my first 2 without even trying
25 [03/28/13 19:34:39] paigeyemps|BRB: !back
37 [03/28/13 19:34:40] paigeyemps|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as paigeyemps
25 [03/28/13 19:34:49] @kraom: i cant remember my first lucid really LIKE what was happening when I HAD it
25 [03/28/13 19:34:51] @kraom:
25 [03/28/13 19:34:53] Texture: I remember my first 20ish lucids without much effort
25 [03/28/13 19:34:57] @kraom: ive had over 100 though.
25 [03/28/13 19:35:09] %dutchraptor: kraom: exactly since you probably have thought it so much times, or you havent at all
25 [03/28/13 19:35:13] Texture: after that I have to check my DJ to get more than a general sense of what happened
25 [03/28/13 19:35:19] @kraom: im trying to find it in my journal right now
25 [03/28/13 19:35:21] @kraom: SHOULD BE THERE
25 [03/28/13 19:35:25] paigeyemps: The only lucids i remember prior to knowing about lding are about x-men
25 [03/28/13 19:35:31] paigeyemps: And me being one of them
25 [03/28/13 19:35:33] paigeyemps:
25 [03/28/13 19:35:41] @kraom: lol
25 [03/28/13 19:35:44] Texture: Which xman?
25 [03/28/13 19:35:45] @Alucinor^XIII^: lmao
25 [03/28/13 19:35:50] paigeyemps: Shadowcat
25 [03/28/13 19:35:51] @Alucinor^XIII^: Was this Pre-Avatar, paigeyemps?
25 [03/28/13 19:35:54] %dutchraptor: I can remember them like really well for a week and then I start to doubt myself over what happened, this is when I don't check up on my dream journal
25 [03/28/13 19:36:01] paigeyemps: Yes aluuu
25 [03/28/13 19:37:13] @Alucinor^XIII^: But yeah
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25 [03/28/13 19:37:22] @Alucinor^XIII^: I read something interesting earlier today on wiki
25 [03/28/13 19:37:27] @Alucinor^XIII^: Sleep spindle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
25 [03/28/13 19:37:28] Demonbot: Title: Sleep spindle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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25 [03/28/13 19:37:39] @kraom: damn it, in my original dream journal i was a douche and wrote, "since ive been Lding i dont feel the need to write dreams down"
25 [03/28/13 19:37:46] @Alucinor^XIII^: During stage 2 sleep (when the body is just begining to go "truely" to sleep)
25 [03/28/13 19:38:00] @Alucinor^XIII^: These sleep spindles occur, and seem to be related to the body trying to over-ride external noises
25 [03/28/13 19:38:02] paigeyemps: Looool kraom
25 [03/28/13 19:38:12] %dutchraptor: kraom hahaahha
25 [03/28/13 19:38:15] @Alucinor^XIII^: Spindles generated in the thalamus have been shown to aid sleeping in the presence of disruptive external sounds. A correlation has been found between the amount of brainwave activity in the thalamus and a sleeper's ability to maintain tranquility
25 [03/28/13 19:38:17] %dutchraptor: I have that everywhere
25 [03/28/13 19:38:24] Texture: "I be doin so gudd, I dun need tah writ ehm down"
25 [03/28/13 19:38:35] @Alucinor^XIII^: Seems to be a good indication of how meditation can help with WILD and falling asleep in general
25 [03/28/13 19:38:36] @Alucinor^XIII^: =o
25 [03/28/13 19:39:04] Texture: So would you say a period of relaxation before bed would be beneficial?
25 [03/28/13 19:39:04] %dutchraptor: I constently find notes from when I wake up at night and I dont remember what I wrote down
25 [03/28/13 19:39:15] @Alucinor^XIII^: Texture: definitely
25 [03/28/13 19:39:18] @kraom: well in one of my frist lucid dream entries i write about, i spawned something WHAT A BOSS
25 [03/28/13 19:39:28] @Alucinor^XIII^: Stay away from artificial lighting as much as possible 1-1.5 hours before bed
25 [03/28/13 19:39:31] paigeyemps: Mannnn sleep twitches are so kewl
25 [03/28/13 19:39:37] paigeyemps: Idk why they just are
25 [03/28/13 19:39:41] @Alucinor^XIII^: Certain wavelengths of light seem to keep us awake more than others
25 [03/28/13 19:39:45] %dutchraptor: in my first lucid I chanegd into a dog and got eaten by chinese people
25 [03/28/13 19:39:46] @Alucinor^XIII^: specifically blue, I think
25 [03/28/13 19:39:49] Texture: Hmm
25 [03/28/13 19:39:53] @Alucinor^XIII^: Which is highly associated with day time
25 [03/28/13 19:39:53] paigeyemps: Like when i get jolted by a twitch, and i wonder if it really happened or not
25 [03/28/13 19:40:08] @Alucinor^XIII^: I love the falling feeling
25 [03/28/13 19:40:09] @Alucinor^XIII^:
25 [03/28/13 19:40:10] %dutchraptor: Alucinor^XIII^: actually blue keeps us awake because we cant focus on it
25 [03/28/13 19:40:17] Texture: Yesterday
25 [03/28/13 19:40:20] %dutchraptor: as far as I know
25 [03/28/13 19:40:20] @Alucinor^XIII^: Laying in beeed, laying in beeeed...laaying in beeee---OOOOH SHIT
25 [03/28/13 19:40:21] Texture: wow
25 [03/28/13 19:40:24] Texture: that just reminded me
25 [03/28/13 19:40:30] Texture: I had a WILD last night after meditation
25 [03/28/13 19:40:34] @Alucinor^XIII^: !
25 [03/28/13 19:40:35] @Alucinor^XIII^: Nice
25 [03/28/13 19:40:39] @Alucinor^XIII^: First WILD?
25 [03/28/13 19:40:44] Texture: hahahahahah one second let me write it down
25 [03/28/13 19:41:00] @kraom: soooo also all my original LDs were sexual.. dafuq is this.
25 [03/28/13 19:41:08] %dutchraptor: hahaha
25 [03/28/13 19:41:12] paigeyemps: Hahaha
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25 [03/28/13 19:41:15] @kraom: what a waste.
25 [03/28/13 19:41:22] %dutchraptor: mine arent :\
25 [03/28/13 19:41:27] paigeyemps: I had that phase
25 [03/28/13 19:41:28] paigeyemps: Like
25 [03/28/13 19:41:33] paigeyemps: First few lds
25 [03/28/13 19:41:33] paigeyemps: Lol
25 [03/28/13 19:41:37] @kraom: mhmmmm
25 [03/28/13 19:41:40] @Alucinor^XIII^: My original LDs were me playing god
25 [03/28/13 19:41:41] paigeyemps: O god why did i say it
25 [03/28/13 19:41:46] paigeyemps: Now it'll be put in the logs
25 [03/28/13 19:41:49] paigeyemps: Foreeeveeeer
25 [03/28/13 19:41:56] paigeyemps: x)
25 [03/28/13 19:41:57] @kraom: THATS RIGHT\
25 [03/28/13 19:41:59] Texture: screen capped
25 [03/28/13 19:42:04] @Alucinor^XIII^: actually
25 [03/28/13 19:42:05] Texture: blackmail forever
25 [03/28/13 19:42:08] %dutchraptor: I only had those since like 20+
25 [03/28/13 19:42:08] @Alucinor^XIII^: logs arent in progress
25 [03/28/13 19:42:09] @Alucinor^XIII^: x.x
25 [03/28/13 19:42:09] @kraom: im sure everyone has had sexual lucids
25 [03/28/13 19:42:11] @kraom: soooo
25 [03/28/13 19:42:13] @kraom: you know whatevz
25 [03/28/13 19:42:27] paigeyemps: Texture: fuuuuuu
25 [03/28/13 19:42:30] %dutchraptor: kraom: not in my first, I liked to explore before going all horny
25 [03/28/13 19:42:45] @Alucinor^XIII^: Yeah, I didn't start having sex lucids until probablt 20-30 of them
25 [03/28/13 19:42:46] %dutchraptor: who know wtf can pop up in your first few lucids
25 [03/28/13 19:42:53] @kraom: yea yea, but im saying at some point NOT just first
25 [03/28/13 19:42:54] @Alucinor^XIII^: i was too busy doing super-natural things
25 [03/28/13 19:42:55] Texture: Hmm for the next DVA lesson we should explore sexual dreams and correlation to waking life
25 [03/28/13 19:43:01] Texture: just so it's not a total waste xD
25 [03/28/13 19:43:05] @Alucinor^XIII^:
25 [03/28/13 19:43:12] Texture: Okay but
25 [03/28/13 19:43:14] paigeyemps: In one of my first lucids, i tried kissing a guy and he was like 'get the hell away from me you have bad breath'
25 [03/28/13 19:43:18] paigeyemps: FOIN THEN
25 [03/28/13 19:43:19] @Alucinor^XIII^: LOL
25 [03/28/13 19:43:20] %dutchraptor: Hahaha
25 [03/28/13 19:43:23] @kraom: loooooooooooooooool
25 [03/28/13 19:43:26] TehDalek: [16:42:00] <@kraom> im sure everyone has had sexual lucids
25 [03/28/13 19:43:26] TehDalek: Nay, I have not yet. But I have had plenty of non-lucid sexual dreams
25 [03/28/13 19:43:30] Texture: Dream...friendzoned?
25 [03/28/13 19:43:34] paigeyemps: ;___;
25 [03/28/13 19:43:36] Texture: friendception?
25 [03/28/13 19:43:37] @Alucinor^XIII^: Lucid-breath is always "morning breath"
25 [03/28/13 19:43:43] %dutchraptor: ewww
25 [03/28/13 19:43:47] Texture: mm
25 [03/28/13 19:43:52] Texture: new superpower I wasn't aware of
25 [03/28/13 19:44:00] @Alucinor^XIII^: Bad Breath attack
25 [03/28/13 19:44:06] @kraom: ive had dream characters look at me disgusted even when im just waking I DONT EVEN DO ANYTHING
25 [03/28/13 19:44:08] @kraom: its sad
25 [03/28/13 19:44:09] @kraom:
25 [03/28/13 19:44:18] @Alucinor^XIII^: Most of my DC's give me a silent evil-eye
25 [03/28/13 19:44:20] %dutchraptor: sometimes they hate me
25 [03/28/13 19:44:29] @Alucinor^XIII^: When I'm lucid anyway
25 [03/28/13 19:44:31] Texture: Someone mentioned falling and I remember seeing myself in the third person, and falling to my knees
25 [03/28/13 19:44:36] Texture: and I feel out of my body to OBE
25 [03/28/13 19:44:38] %dutchraptor: when Im lucid they act how I want them to act
25 [03/28/13 19:44:40] Nova357: I never see DCs they are generaly hidden while lucid
25 [03/28/13 19:44:44] @kraom: yep yep for a while i would just walk up like hey and BOOM they run away like im a monster QQ
25 [03/28/13 19:44:45] paigeyemps: I'm trying to be more aware of dream sounds lately
25 [03/28/13 19:44:54] paigeyemps: I realized i dont really remember dream sounds well
25 [03/28/13 19:44:59] Texture: I love dream sounds
25 [03/28/13 19:45:16] @Alucinor^XIII^: I've been trying to focus on character interation more in my lucids
25 [03/28/13 19:45:19] Texture: Mine have this distant, but all encompassing feel
25 [03/28/13 19:45:19] @Alucinor^XIII^: and stabalization
25 [03/28/13 19:45:22] %dutchraptor: try dream smells, you will that toilets are actually present everywhere
25 [03/28/13 19:45:23] Texture: Like they echo across the sky
25 [03/28/13 19:45:38] paigeyemps: Lol dutch
25 [03/28/13 19:45:38] @Alucinor^XIII^: Texture: Try chanting a reaaaaaaly, reaaaaaally deep "om"
25 [03/28/13 19:45:39] Texture: Now that is interesting
25 [03/28/13 19:45:41] @Alucinor^XIII^: Its intense
25 [03/28/13 19:45:41] Nova357: I really want to try dream food
25 [03/28/13 19:45:47] @kraom: dream food
25 [03/28/13 19:45:48] @kraom: so good.
25 [03/28/13 19:45:50] @kraom: NOM
25 [03/28/13 19:45:51] paigeyemps: Oh my god
25 [03/28/13 19:45:56] paigeyemps: Yesterday i had a lucid
25 [03/28/13 19:46:02] paigeyemps: And summoned food
25 [03/28/13 19:46:06] %dutchraptor: dream food is da best ever
25 [03/28/13 19:46:09] Texture: Actually, when I first joined DVA a few days ago, my I had a DILD on the first night where the skyrim theme was playing in the backround...
25 [03/28/13 19:46:12] paigeyemps: I tried to summon a burger but i got a little sloppy joe
25 [03/28/13 19:46:16] @Alucinor^XIII^: lmao
25 [03/28/13 19:46:23] @Alucinor^XIII^: I've had my share of Skyrim dreams
25 [03/28/13 19:46:23] %dutchraptor: Texture: awesome
25 [03/28/13 19:46:24] paigeyemps: And tried to summon a hotdog but i couldnt get mustard
25 [03/28/13 19:46:31] Texture: Yeah
25 [03/28/13 19:46:32] %dutchraptor: I only have fallout dreams
25 [03/28/13 19:46:32] paigeyemps: It tasted not nice
25 [03/28/13 19:46:33] @Alucinor^XIII^: I had a Khajiit in one of my dreams a month ago
25 [03/28/13 19:46:39] paigeyemps: Whats that
25 [03/28/13 19:46:43] %dutchraptor: a cat
25 [03/28/13 19:46:47] @Alucinor^XIII^: the cat people in Skyrim
25 [03/28/13 19:46:51] paigeyemps: Qnd niiiice, Texture
25 [03/28/13 19:46:52] paigeyemps: And*
25 [03/28/13 19:47:32] Texture: So Alucinor any advice for DILDor MILD? I'm pretty experienced with WILDs
25 [03/28/13 19:47:38] @kraom: i had a dream that was anime style once
25 [03/28/13 19:47:48] @kraom: and i once turned a normal dream to a disney animated dream
25 [03/28/13 19:47:49] @kraom:
25 [03/28/13 19:47:49] Texture: Had 500+ if you count fragments and dream chaining since 2011
25 [03/28/13 19:47:49] %dutchraptor: kraom: how horrible
25 [03/28/13 19:47:59] @kraom: WHAT
25 [03/28/13 19:48:02] @kraom: pf.
25 [03/28/13 19:48:14] @Alucinor^XIII^: 500 wilds?
25 [03/28/13 19:48:23] @kraom: well i guess it wasnt full anime, more of the characters were
25 [03/28/13 19:48:24] %dutchraptor: 500 WILDs?
25 [03/28/13 19:48:24] @kraom: my dcs
25 [03/28/13 19:48:27] @kraom: WAS odd
25 [03/28/13 19:48:29] Texture: DEILDS, WILDs, WBTBs
25 [03/28/13 19:48:32] @Alucinor^XIII^: Nice.
25 [03/28/13 19:48:42] Texture: I was at that stage in middleschool
25 [03/28/13 19:48:43] %dutchraptor: kraom: did they have triangular chins?
25 [03/28/13 19:48:43] @Alucinor^XIII^: Thats really impessive actually
25 [03/28/13 19:48:44] paigeyemps: Nice
25 [03/28/13 19:48:46] Texture: where I was so obsessed
25 [03/28/13 19:48:51] Texture: and missed lots of sleep trying to mater it
25 [03/28/13 19:48:52] @Alucinor^XIII^: I do love dream chaining
25 [03/28/13 19:48:57] Nova357: was it worth to do a movie for 2 years?
25 [03/28/13 19:49:02] paigeyemps: I only have like 5 or so legit wilds ever
25 [03/28/13 19:49:10] paigeyemps: ;___; must get moar
25 [03/28/13 19:49:10] @Alucinor^XIII^: yeah. Me too paigeyemps
25 [03/28/13 19:49:11] @Alucinor^XIII^: :<
25 [03/28/13 19:49:13] Texture: I can do wilds easily
25 [03/28/13 19:49:18] Texture: but DILDs are so much more fun
25 [03/28/13 19:49:25] Texture: I've had around 8 of those though..
25 [03/28/13 19:49:29] paigeyemps: Ah
25 [03/28/13 19:49:30] @Alucinor^XIII^: MILDs and DILDs, on the other hand is more of a mindset practice
25 [03/28/13 19:49:33] @kraom: i wish i could WILD
25 [03/28/13 19:49:35] @kraom: QQQQ\
25 [03/28/13 19:49:36] paigeyemps: But i think if you master wild
25 [03/28/13 19:49:38] paigeyemps: It's like
25 [03/28/13 19:49:47] paigeyemps: Instant lucid whenever you want
25 [03/28/13 19:49:50] Texture: zen master status achieved?
25 [03/28/13 19:49:53] paigeyemps: Yeah
25 [03/28/13 19:49:55] %dutchraptor: paigeyemps: nope nope nope
25 [03/28/13 19:50:01] Texture: Not true
25 [03/28/13 19:50:01] paigeyemps: Oh?
25 [03/28/13 19:50:05] @Alucinor^XIII^: Yeah. I have to admit...if I could master WILD I'd stop every other techniquew
25 [03/28/13 19:50:09] %dutchraptor: both are equally gratifying
25 [03/28/13 19:50:13] @Alucinor^XIII^: and just focus on WILD and Dream Journaling
25 [03/28/13 19:50:16] %dutchraptor: Alucinor^XIII^: no
25 [03/28/13 19:50:17] @kraom: ^
25 [03/28/13 19:50:18] paigeyemps: Oh no dutchy
25 [03/28/13 19:50:23] paigeyemps: They are equally gratifying
25 [03/28/13 19:50:25] Texture: It's actually really hard to master wilding
25 [03/28/13 19:50:29] paigeyemps: But i mean if i mastered wild
25 [03/28/13 19:50:41] Texture: I've just had a ton of experience since lucid nightmares as a kid
25 [03/28/13 19:50:45] @Alucinor^XIII^: I mean, I practice mindfulness in the buddhist sense already.
25 [03/28/13 19:50:47] paigeyemps: It'd be muuuuuch easier to get them when i wanted
25 [03/28/13 19:50:50] @Alucinor^XIII^: So, its pretty much ADA anyway
25 [03/28/13 19:50:51] %dutchraptor: Sometimes I couldn't care less about WILD and then DILD comes to the rescue
25 [03/28/13 19:50:57] paigeyemps: True
25 [03/28/13 19:51:07] paigeyemps: Surprise DILDs are the best
25 [03/28/13 19:51:08] %dutchraptor: sometimes its the inverse
25 [03/28/13 19:51:09] Texture: DILDs and the power of suggestion are really interesting for me
25 [03/28/13 19:51:10] paigeyemps: When you like
25 [03/28/13 19:51:15] paigeyemps: Fail another technique
25 [03/28/13 19:51:18] paigeyemps: And end up with a dild
25 [03/28/13 19:51:23] Texture: SUCCESS
25 [03/28/13 19:51:35] paigeyemps: It's actually why i love DEILD
25 [03/28/13 19:51:40] @kraom: i only really have DILDs and then deild off them
25 [03/28/13 19:51:51] %dutchraptor: kraom: my hero
25 [03/28/13 19:51:58] @kraom: lol
25 [03/28/13 19:52:03] %dutchraptor: I do the same
25 [03/28/13 19:52:10] @Alucinor^XIII^: Like I said, DEILD chainging is ridiculously fun
25 [03/28/13 19:52:18] %dutchraptor: I used to go mental just DEILDing but got bored of it
32 [03/28/13 19:52:18] kraom highfives dutchraptor
25 [03/28/13 19:52:21] %dutchraptor: and I lost sleep
25 [03/28/13 19:52:22] Texture: I will on average chain 3 dreams after a wild
25 [03/28/13 19:52:27] @Alucinor^XIII^: After the 3rd or 4th DEILD though
25 [03/28/13 19:52:28] Texture: thats why the count is so high
32 [03/28/13 19:52:30] dutchraptor highvfives back
25 [03/28/13 19:52:33] @Alucinor^XIII^: it seems to get harder and harder to re-enter
25 [03/28/13 19:52:34] paigeyemps: A deild can go three ways: 1. You succeed. 2. You wake up too much, you use it to wbtb. 3. You fall asleep right away, you can still dild
25 [03/28/13 19:52:37] paigeyemps: I loooove it
25 [03/28/13 19:52:39] @Alucinor^XIII^: and I have to get creative
25 [03/28/13 19:52:47] paigeyemps: Maximizing chances and stuff
25 [03/28/13 19:52:58] %dutchraptor: paigeyemps: you forgot no.4
25 [03/28/13 19:53:14] paigeyemps: Hm?
25 [03/28/13 19:53:23] paigeyemps: Deild chain?
25 [03/28/13 19:53:24] @kraom: well guys ima get going gotta go to my dads house
25 [03/28/13 19:53:28] @kraom: SO, see ya later
25 [03/28/13 19:53:31] paigeyemps: Seeya kraom
25 [03/28/13 19:53:32] %dutchraptor: 4) wake up, think you are dreaming, put on your socks, fall down the stairs
25 [03/28/13 19:53:32] paigeyemps: ¯\_(°?°)_/¯
25 [03/28/13 19:53:32] Texture: Adios
25 [03/28/13 19:53:34] @Alucinor^XIII^: Glad you joined us kraom
25 [03/28/13 19:53:35] @Alucinor^XIII^: =D
25 [03/28/13 19:53:37] paigeyemps: Lol
25 [03/28/13 19:53:38] %dutchraptor: see you kraom
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25 [03/28/13 19:53:59] paigeyemps: Right dutch!
25 [03/28/13 19:54:00] paigeyemps: Haha
25 [03/28/13 19:54:15] Texture: So how much did I miss of the lesson?
25 [03/28/13 19:54:19] %dutchraptor: happens 70% of the time
25 [03/28/13 19:54:55] @Alucinor^XIII^: Texture: roughly half
25 [03/28/13 19:54:56] @Alucinor^XIII^:
25 [03/28/13 19:55:04] Texture: Yeah....derp
25 [03/28/13 19:55:43] paigeyemps: Derp
25 [03/28/13 19:55:50] %dutchraptor: dirpy
25 [03/28/13 19:55:50] Texture: So is there a certain area of sleep where people are more likely to have DILDs
25 [03/28/13 19:56:00] %dutchraptor: its called phasic rem
25 [03/28/13 19:56:03] %dutchraptor: i think
25 [03/28/13 19:56:05] Texture: where the first cycle has already passed and youre a little more aware of what
25 [03/28/13 19:56:16] %dutchraptor: rem is divided in two
25 [03/28/13 19:56:25] %dutchraptor: a part of high activity and decreased activity
25 [03/28/13 19:56:29] Texture: Si
25 [03/28/13 19:56:35] %dutchraptor: in the high activity you are close to awareness
25 [03/28/13 19:56:42] Texture: but like a specific timeframe within that
25 [03/28/13 19:56:54] @Alucinor^XIII^: In general, the sleep cycles that occur after 6 hours of sleep
25 [03/28/13 19:56:56] Texture: as you move closer and closer to waking up as the night progresses
25 [03/28/13 19:57:00] @Alucinor^XIII^: is the most likely for lucidity
25 [03/28/13 19:57:07] Nova357: When do REM cycles genrealy occur
25 [03/28/13 19:57:09] Texture: Okay thanks
25 [03/28/13 19:57:09] paigeyemps: But you can still dream within the other cycles, yes?
25 [03/28/13 19:57:15] Texture: Probably harder
25 [03/28/13 19:57:15] @Alucinor^XIII^: Yeah
25 [03/28/13 19:57:21] @Alucinor^XIII^: The first few cycles are short
25 [03/28/13 19:57:24] Texture: and why my WILDs aren't always that clear
25 [03/28/13 19:57:30] @Alucinor^XIII^: And the REM isn't as vivid
25 [03/28/13 19:57:35] Texture: bingo
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25 [03/28/13 19:57:53] @Alucinor^XIII^: Shit
25 [03/28/13 19:57:57] @Alucinor^XIII^: I was about to answer his question
25 [03/28/13 19:57:59] @Alucinor^XIII^: And he leaves
25 [03/28/13 19:58:00] @Alucinor^XIII^: D:
25 [03/28/13 19:58:17] @Alucinor^XIII^: I dont think I've ever had a lucid in the first 3 hours of sleep
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25 [03/28/13 19:58:29] @Alucinor^XIII^: Earliest lucid I've had was probably around the 4.5 hour mark
25 [03/28/13 19:58:37] Texture: Yeah
25 [03/28/13 19:58:44] Texture: most definitly
25 [03/28/13 19:58:58] Texture: I often have them very close to when I wake up for school
25 [03/28/13 19:58:59] %dutchraptor: Alucinor^XIII^: really, mine can be like 2-3 hours into sleep sometimes
25 [03/28/13 19:59:04] @Alucinor^XIII^: Nova357: http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/u...rt-690x435.gif
25 [03/28/13 19:59:07] @Alucinor^XIII^: Thats how REM works
25 [03/28/13 19:59:11] %dutchraptor: and very rarely 11 hour into sleep
25 [03/28/13 19:59:16] %dutchraptor: lol 1 hour
25 [03/28/13 19:59:39] Texture: Who gets 11 hours of sleep? Ain't nobody got time for dat
25 [03/28/13 19:59:48] @Alucinor^XIII^: Nova357: It happens near the end of every ~90 minute cycle, but it gets longer each time
25 [03/28/13 19:59:51] %dutchraptor: I meant 1
25 [03/28/13 20:00:24] Texture: Okay so dream recall
25 [03/28/13 20:00:26] OmkAR: i have a much neater REM chart to show u guys, one SEC
25 [03/28/13 20:00:36] Texture: have any advice or interesting facts about it?
25 [03/28/13 20:01:18] %dutchraptor: all rem charts are crap
25 [03/28/13 20:01:40] OmkAR: http://luciddreamingapp.com/wp-conte...-reminders.png <- RED dashes are REM, the orange triangles right after are recorded dreams
25 [03/28/13 20:01:55] @Alucinor^XIII^: Texture: Theres a technique that I remembered but still have fully and consistently tried
25 [03/28/13 20:02:15] %dutchraptor: lol I change my mind
25 [03/28/13 20:02:16] @Alucinor^XIII^: Everynight when you go to bed, replay your day in reverse in as much detail as you can, up until the time you woke up
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25 [03/28/13 20:02:43] Texture: So a memory exercise while transitioning from waking to subconscious?
25 [03/28/13 20:02:51] %dutchraptor: Alucinor^XIII^: that is awesome, im gonna try that
25 [03/28/13 20:02:55] Nova357: What do you guys do before you go to sleep, like a mantra?
25 [03/28/13 20:03:08] Texture: I do a mantra
25 [03/28/13 20:03:12] Texture: but as I get farther along
25 [03/28/13 20:03:34] Texture: I start to imagine a DC who will pop up as soon as I start dreaming and tell me to do an rc
25 [03/28/13 20:03:49] Texture: and to keep me excited he'll smile and ask where I want to go, or what I want to do
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25 [03/28/13 20:03:59] paigeyemps: 08:02 Nova357 What do you guys do before you go to sleep, like a mantra?
25 [03/28/13 20:04:00] Texture: and i will change his words during all of that to give myself ideas while incubating
25 [03/28/13 20:04:01] OmkAR: my ex gf makes for a good reliable DC that won't act wonky or run off
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25 [03/28/13 20:04:06] %dutchraptor: I use the named subconscious technique
25 [03/28/13 20:04:07] paigeyemps: I recall my goals
25 [03/28/13 20:04:16] paigeyemps: Makes it much easier to remember
25 [03/28/13 20:04:25] @Alucinor^XIII: What was the last that came through from me?
25 [03/28/13 20:04:28] Texture: named subconscious technique?
25 [03/28/13 20:04:40] Texture: replay your day in reverse
25 [03/28/13 20:04:45] Texture: was the last thing i see from you
25 [03/28/13 20:04:52] @Alucinor^XIII: Gotcha. Well yeah
25 [03/28/13 20:05:24] @Alucinor^XIII: I think it basically works because 1.) it trains the Backtracking aspect of your memory and 2.) it associated memory with being in bed
25 [03/28/13 20:05:28] %dutchraptor: Texture: you name your subconscious and become used to i as a separate entity, in doing so, you will gain confidence in saying a mantra because you feel like you are telling someone else and not yourslef
25 [03/28/13 20:05:40] @Alucinor^XIII: But I have to admit I haven't done any consistent use of it to know for sure
25 [03/28/13 20:05:43] @Alucinor^XIII: Just a thoery
25 [03/28/13 20:05:50] Texture: okay that's essentially what I'm experimenting with
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25 [03/28/13 20:06:14] Texture: I was actually gonna mess with it and make a guide, guess someone beat me to it
25 [03/28/13 20:06:30] Nova357: Do you have like a dream guide DC?
25 [03/28/13 20:06:35] Texture: Oom
25 [03/28/13 20:06:37] Texture: I name him
25 [03/28/13 20:06:41] Texture: easy to recite in Mantras
25 [03/28/13 20:07:12] %dutchraptor: Texture: are you repsonding to my comment?
25 [03/28/13 20:07:13] Nova357: So do you generaly see him in your dream, and do a RC then?
25 [03/28/13 20:07:31] Texture: Yeah hahahahahah
25 [03/28/13 20:07:43] Texture: I said I do something similar to that
25 [03/28/13 20:07:47] Texture: and Nova
25 [03/28/13 20:08:04] Texture: I use him in mantras and incubation where I have him come make me lucid
25 [03/28/13 20:08:12] Texture: he tells me to RC
25 [03/28/13 20:08:37] Nova357: Alright thats cool
25 [03/28/13 20:08:54] Texture: and dutch I dont know how to directly respond
25 [03/28/13 20:09:00] Texture: /replay or something?
25 [03/28/13 20:09:01] %dutchraptor: alright nice, its veery effective in believing in yourself
25 [03/28/13 20:09:09] Texture: reply*
25 [03/28/13 20:09:17] @Alucinor^XIII: I finally met my subconscious in my last lucid about a week ago
25 [03/28/13 20:09:30] @Alucinor^XIII: Well, I think it was a duo
25 [03/28/13 20:09:47] %dutchraptor: Texture: right the first few letters of the person name and then click TAB
25 [03/28/13 20:09:47] @Alucinor^XIII: There was a naked monk, and a monk at a computer next to him typing
25 [03/28/13 20:09:54] Nova357: I once told my subconscious in a lucid that I will have lucids every day
25 [03/28/13 20:09:59] Nova357: It failed
25 [03/28/13 20:09:59] Texture: dutchraptor: Gracias
25 [03/28/13 20:10:15] TehDalek: I afk'd for about 20 minutes, did I miss anything?
25 [03/28/13 20:10:17] TehDalek: heh
25 [03/28/13 20:10:25] Texture: Nova357: you have to keep at it, once doesn't always work
25 [03/28/13 20:10:56] %dutchraptor: I've met my subconscious, funnily its a girl named shino
25 [03/28/13 20:11:07] %dutchraptor: very interesting to talk to
25 [03/28/13 20:12:00] Nova357: Texture: I'd try again, just I don't have many lucids and I try to fly
25 [03/28/13 20:12:00] Texture: I percieve myself to be my subconscious in dreams, therefore didn't have a real DG or anything that I truly considered to be separate till I started that incubation technique with Oom 2 days ago
25 [03/28/13 20:12:06] TehDalek: Your entire subconscious is embodied into one being?
25 [03/28/13 20:12:22] %dutchraptor: mine is
25 [03/28/13 20:12:33] %dutchraptor: but it is not really my subconscious ince that is just nonsense
25 [03/28/13 20:12:41] Texture: Nova357: I took a 2 year break from DV and have been back for less than a week, but a good schedule and dream journal have already given me super effective results for lucids
25 [03/28/13 20:13:06] %dutchraptor: when I talk to my dreamguide she makes it very clear that everything she says is just my own thinking but expressed through her so that I feel comfortable with it
25 [03/28/13 20:13:18] Texture: TehDalek: I thought of myself as the sole controller, and there didn't have to be a special dc to tell me something because it was myself
25 [03/28/13 20:13:30] Texture: I could ask any random dc something about myself, cause that's who it was
25 [03/28/13 20:13:34] Nova357: Texture: I took a similar break for a year and joined for the first time the first of febuary
25 [03/28/13 20:13:42] @Alucinor^XIII: Well, the entirety of the dream environment is your own thinking expressed through a sense-based representation
25 [03/28/13 20:14:06] @Alucinor^XIII: Having a "person" represent it is just making it more easily accesable
25 [03/28/13 20:14:10] Texture: yeah. It's hard to see anything special or fun in dreams if you don't go and play the adventure type, creating an elaborate fantasy world
25 [03/28/13 20:14:20] Texture: looking at it too literally like i did is boring
25 [03/28/13 20:14:32] OmkAR: heey man goood idea
25 [03/28/13 20:14:36] OmkAR: run a DREAM BENCHMARK
25 [03/28/13 20:14:45] Texture: ?
25 [03/28/13 20:14:47] %dutchraptor: the great thing is that when people say represent the subconscious they actually mean the consciouss
25 [03/28/13 20:14:48] OmkAR: max it out, with 100's of dream characters at once, in a giant world
25 [03/28/13 20:14:50] Nova357: whats a benchmark
25 [03/28/13 20:15:11] @Alucinor^XIII: Kinda like a processing test
25 [03/28/13 20:15:12] %dutchraptor: OmkAR: lol too bad our brain is super optimized
25 [03/28/13 20:15:13] Texture: create your own roster of reoccuring characters with elaborate backstories?
25 [03/28/13 20:15:13] OmkAR: it's where you push the dream's rendering engine to the max
25 [03/28/13 20:15:13] OmkAR:
25 [03/28/13 20:15:28] OmkAR: if caught dreams buffering before
25 [03/28/13 20:15:30] %dutchraptor: OmkAR: we can witness all the character various LOD's
25 [03/28/13 20:15:34] Texture: I do that already and it's really fun
25 [03/28/13 20:15:47] Nova357: Have anyone of you had a dream that was more realistic than real life?
25 [03/28/13 20:15:48] @Alucinor^XIII: I've been trying to do some dream incubation myself
25 [03/28/13 20:15:49] OmkAR: i was flying too fast ahead, and the scene in front wasn't finished rendering yet, it looked like fractally stuff, that was solidifiying
25 [03/28/13 20:15:56] @Alucinor^XIII: To get a few consistent places and characters
25 [03/28/13 20:16:11] Texture: The trick for me
25 [03/28/13 20:16:12] Texture: is writing.
25 [03/28/13 20:16:19] Texture: every day, for at least 15 minutes
25 [03/28/13 20:16:25] @Alucinor^XIII: Yeah. I dont write it out novel-like
25 [03/28/13 20:16:25] Texture: I've been doing that since 6th grade
25 [03/28/13 20:16:33] @Alucinor^XIII: but I'll sit and bullet point out tons of details
25 [03/28/13 20:16:37] OmkAR: Nova357: what do you mean by more realistic, you mean having PURE vision, with no red retina cones, blacker than blacks
25 [03/28/13 20:16:37] @Alucinor^XIII: I love worldbuilding
25 [03/28/13 20:16:43] %dutchraptor: OmkAR: problem is you wouldn't know if its real or not
25 [03/28/13 20:16:44] @Alucinor^XIII: and I draw characters
25 [03/28/13 20:16:46] @Alucinor^XIII: and draw out scenes
25 [03/28/13 20:16:59] %dutchraptor: I've had dreams that seem to surpass reality
25 [03/28/13 20:17:15] Nova357: OmkAR: yeah can you have like super-sences
25 [03/28/13 20:17:21] Texture: So are we talking about a dream that has us convinced it's reality just because, or due to visual cues and such
25 [03/28/13 20:17:34] OmkAR: food tastes sooo yummy in the dreamworld, cakes. .. mufffins and beer
25 [03/28/13 20:17:41] OmkAR: even beer tastes soooo goood in the dreamworld, not so much in waking
25 [03/28/13 20:18:09] Texture: In non lucids sometimes I'll spontaneously take a giant chomp out of a wooden table
25 [03/28/13 20:18:20] Texture: maybe I was a beaver in a past life...
25 [03/28/13 20:18:37] %dutchraptor: beer is bad in my dreams, too much hops
25 [03/28/13 20:18:44] @Alucinor^XIII: lol
25 [03/28/13 20:18:48] Texture: Soda is amazing in my dreams
25 [03/28/13 20:19:07] Texture: the bubbles explode in your mouth and bring out new and delicious flavors
25 [03/28/13 20:19:14] Texture: beer just tastes like beer
25 [03/28/13 20:19:25] @Alucinor^XIII: Nova357: I've had a couple lucids where I had to do 3 Reality Checks or so just to be 100% sure because it was so vivid
25 [03/28/13 20:19:27] %dutchraptor: Texture: well said
25 [03/28/13 20:19:37] Texture: Half the fun in dream food is the texture
25 [03/28/13 20:20:04] Nova357: Does anyone do WBTBs?
25 [03/28/13 20:20:09] Texture: Yep
25 [03/28/13 20:20:18] Texture: I'm taking a break to focus solely on DILD and MILD
25 [03/28/13 20:20:20] Nova357: like how oftern?
25 [03/28/13 20:20:26] Texture: I'm quite good at them
25 [03/28/13 20:20:31] @Alucinor^XIII: I usually do one a night
25 [03/28/13 20:20:41] @Alucinor^XIII: unless I end up going to bed late, or have to get up earlier than usual
25 [03/28/13 20:20:55] @Alucinor^XIII: I always make sure I'm getting around 8 hours of sleep when I WBTB
25 [03/28/13 20:21:02] %dutchraptor: I set my alarm to go off every 30 mins and then go crazy with mantras
25 [03/28/13 20:21:06] Nova357: how long do you stay up?
25 [03/28/13 20:21:13] %dutchraptor: So I can remember like 10 dreams
25 [03/28/13 20:21:20] Texture: I find drinking lots of water so you wake up naturally
25 [03/28/13 20:21:24] @Alucinor^XIII: Depends. I gauge it off my awareness rather than time
25 [03/28/13 20:21:27] Texture: helps the best with WBTBs
25 [03/28/13 20:21:36] @Alucinor^XIII: Sometimes it only takes 5-10 minutes to feel i'm in a good spot to go back to sleep
25 [03/28/13 20:21:42] @Alucinor^XIII: Others it may take 30
25 [03/28/13 20:21:44] Texture: alarms have to be REALLY loud to wake me up
25 [03/28/13 20:21:50] @Alucinor^XIII: sometimes I say fuck it and just go back to sleep immediately
25 [03/28/13 20:21:50] TehDalek: I had to RC like 3-4 times in a dream a few days ago. Not at the beginning, but after increasing clarity I kept forgetting if I was in a dream or not XD
25 [03/28/13 20:21:50] @Alucinor^XIII:
25 [03/28/13 20:22:09] Nova357: I find that if I do a mantra to wake me up at a certain time is quite accurate within 10 min
25 [03/28/13 20:22:32] @Alucinor^XIII: On a side note: I think its equally important to take a couple days off every now and then and just sleep like a regular person
25 [03/28/13 20:22:42] @Alucinor^XIII: Even body builders take breaks
25 [03/28/13 20:22:47] Texture: absolutely
25 [03/28/13 20:23:00] Texture: if you arent getting enough sleep then don't even try to get up
25 [03/28/13 20:23:01] OmkAR: i usualy take a 2-4 day break from LDing
25 [03/28/13 20:23:06] OmkAR: every month or so
25 [03/28/13 20:23:08] OmkAR:
25 [03/28/13 20:23:29] @Alucinor^XIII: But anyway
25 [03/28/13 20:23:36] @Alucinor^XIII: I'm stoked that you guys showed up
25 [03/28/13 20:23:45] @Alucinor^XIII: We're trying to get this DVA channel rolling more often
25 [03/28/13 20:23:57] OmkAR: DEILD rolling?
25 [03/28/13 20:23:58] @Alucinor^XIII: So, keep an eye out. You guys can continue to chat of course
25 [03/28/13 20:23:59] @Alucinor^XIII:
25 [03/28/13 20:24:02] TehDalek: lol
25 [03/28/13 20:24:07] Texture: I'll tune in if there are weekly installments
25 [03/28/13 20:24:09] @Alucinor^XIII: But I'ma head out
25 [03/28/13 20:24:18] TehDalek: Sounds cool
25 [03/28/13 20:24:20] @Alucinor^XIII: Yeah, I hope toh ave it going roughly once a week
25 [03/28/13 20:24:21] Billyboy1999: See you
25 [03/28/13 20:24:21] Nova357: goodbye
25 [03/28/13 20:24:22] Texture: okay, keep getting ophelia to message us and I'll be there
25 [03/28/13 20:24:24] TehDalek: I'll be sure to return
25 [03/28/13 20:24:34] Texture: adios, it was really interesting
25 [03/28/13 20:24:35] TehDalek: If only it was this active on #LucidDreaming >.>
25 [03/28/13 20:24:36] %dutchraptor: good luck alu
25 [03/28/13 20:24:37] @Alucinor^XIII: Awesome. Thanks guys
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25 [03/28/13 20:24:57] Texture: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW???
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25 [03/28/13 20:26:05] Nova357: so texture how do you do wild?
25 [03/28/13 20:26:42] Texture: I stay away from light for a while
25 [03/28/13 20:26:49] Texture: relax and literally just stretch
25 [03/28/13 20:26:52] Texture: no specific thing
25 [03/28/13 20:26:56] Texture: I probably look like a hobo
25 [03/28/13 20:26:59] Nova357: I generaly can get my muscles to tingle and relax and thats it
25 [03/28/13 20:27:04] Texture: just trying to relax, and slow down eye movement
25 [03/28/13 20:27:11] OmkAR: what if . .. God . .. was really the master Subconcious
25 [03/28/13 20:27:17] Nova357: I never get any vibrations, imagry, ect
25 [03/28/13 20:27:26] Texture: So god created the idea of atheism?
25 [03/28/13 20:27:28] Texture: CRISS CROSS
25 [03/28/13 20:27:31] Texture: its okay
25 [03/28/13 20:27:37] Texture: youre not shooting for that
25 [03/28/13 20:27:43] OmkAR: i used to get vibrations years ago
25 [03/28/13 20:27:44] Texture: or even sleep paralysis
25 [03/28/13 20:27:54] Texture: Youre focusing on getting into a dream and being relaxed
25 [03/28/13 20:27:58] OmkAR: not anymore, i just slip out smoothly now
25 [03/28/13 20:28:07] Texture: you want your goal to be a wild, not HI or vibrations
25 [03/28/13 20:28:20] Nova357: I understand that
25 [03/28/13 20:28:42] %dutchraptor: "I probably look like a hobo" ahahaha XD
25 [03/28/13 20:28:47] Texture: OmkAR: what's your name on dv?
25 [03/28/13 20:28:57] OmkAR: it's OmkAR
25 [03/28/13 20:28:58] Nova357: I just never find myself in a dream, i seem to always fall asleep
25 [03/28/13 20:28:59] OmkAR: always OmkAR
25 [03/28/13 20:29:00] OmkAR:
25 [03/28/13 20:29:04] Texture: dutchraptor: scrabbling around on the floor xD
25 [03/28/13 20:29:48] Texture: ah well I can't find it
25 [03/28/13 20:30:16] Texture: was trying to friend you all
37 [03/28/13 20:30:18] TehDalek [[email protected]] is now known as TehDalek|Away
25 [03/28/13 20:31:09] Texture: yeah but guys drop me a friend request if you can find my profile
25 [03/28/13 20:31:15] Texture: was interesting talking to you all
25 [03/28/13 20:31:53] OmkAR: werd
25 [03/28/13 20:32:33] %dutchraptor: kk cool
25 [03/28/13 20:33:03] %dutchraptor: Texture: hears an easy way to find profile
25 [03/28/13 20:33:11] %dutchraptor: !profile omkar
25 [03/28/13 20:33:20] %dutchraptor: did I do that right
25 [03/28/13 20:33:25] Texture: ehm
25 [03/28/13 20:33:28] Texture: no idea hahahah
25 [03/28/13 20:33:57] paigeyemps: Texture:
25 [03/28/13 20:34:02] paigeyemps: You can do this
25 [03/28/13 20:34:06] paigeyemps: !profile texture
20 [03/28/13 20:34:06] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
51 [03/28/13 20:34:07] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +o OpheliaBlue
51 [03/28/13 20:34:12] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +a OpheliaBlue
25 [03/28/13 20:34:19] paigeyemps: Oh, but on #dv
25 [03/28/13 20:34:23] %dutchraptor: aha
25 [03/28/13 20:34:24] Texture: oh gotcha
25 [03/28/13 20:34:28] &OpheliaBlue: crap I falled asleep
25 [03/28/13 20:34:28] Nova357: Texture: Done
25 [03/28/13 20:34:37] &OpheliaBlue: did class go well?
25 [03/28/13 20:34:39] Texture: Hey ophelia
25 [03/28/13 20:34:46] Texture: yeah we had some pretty interesting discussions
25 [03/28/13 20:34:54] %dutchraptor: had?
25 [03/28/13 20:34:54] &OpheliaBlue: awesome! did anyone log them?
25 [03/28/13 20:35:20] paigeyemps: Hey ophie!
25 [03/28/13 20:35:21] &OpheliaBlue: Exotiraan: did you happen to grab the class today? if so will you link me?
25 [03/28/13 20:35:24] &OpheliaBlue: hey!
25 [03/28/13 20:35:59] Texture: Alucinator said it wasn't recorded
25 [03/28/13 20:36:21] Texture: paigeyemps: Although I did get a rather interesting screen cap....
25 [03/28/13 20:36:27] paigeyemps: Ah mannnn
25 [03/28/13 20:36:29] &OpheliaBlue: that's ok, if Exotiraan does his demonbot thing, it'll grab the chat
25 [03/28/13 20:36:30] paigeyemps: Shhhhhhh pls
25 [03/28/13 20:36:46] Texture: just between you, me, and the sloppy joe
25 [03/28/13 20:36:48] %dutchraptor: demonbot is a magician
25 [03/28/13 20:36:48] Demonbot: Excuse me?
25 [03/28/13 20:37:00] %dutchraptor: lol
25 [03/28/13 20:37:09] &OpheliaBlue: well melanieb|Away or RareCola probably go it.. one of you please log it if you got it
25 [03/28/13 20:37:25] Nova357: what do you mean log it?
25 [03/28/13 20:37:40] %dutchraptor: everything you say here is logged and sent to the government
25 [03/28/13 20:37:49] Nova357: ha ha
25 [03/28/13 20:37:55] Texture: We know where your stash is located, Nova.
25 [03/28/13 20:37:59] Texture: They are coming...
25 [03/28/13 20:38:02] &OpheliaBlue: Nova357: copy the chat, and paste it in the thread.. only staff can do it though unless I unlock it
25 [03/28/13 20:38:29] paigeyemps: I cant log it
25 [03/28/13 20:38:38] &OpheliaBlue: aww how come?
25 [03/28/13 20:38:38] Nova357: OpheliaBlue: I don't think I got all of it
25 [03/28/13 20:38:38] paigeyemps: My irc buffer is way too small
25 [03/28/13 20:38:42] &OpheliaBlue: ah
2 [03/28/13 20:38:52] paigeyemps: I think kenny has
25 [03/28/13 20:38:55] &OpheliaBlue: no worries, mel or someone can get it
24 [03/28/13 20:39:02] &Kendalina^_^`: wat
25 [03/28/13 20:39:05] paigeyemps: Ah
25 [03/28/13 20:39:12] &OpheliaBlue: I'd love to read it. My dogs kept me up all night so I slept through the whole thing
25 [03/28/13 20:39:54] Texture: Hmm Demonbot
25 [03/28/13 20:40:01] Nova357: I got everything after those REM charts
24 [03/28/13 20:40:49] &Kendalina^_^`: i have back to 3/18
25 [03/28/13 20:40:56] &OpheliaBlue: well if anyone on staff got it http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-clas...logs-6.htmlall, here's the link:
25 [03/28/13 20:41:13] Texture: OpheliaBlue: How does one become a moderator? Working for DV, or showing commitment, following rules, what?
2 [03/28/13 20:41:15] &OpheliaBlue: dang Ken, I wish I could do that. I always get booted
25 [03/28/13 20:41:38] &OpheliaBlue: Texture: too long to explain right now, I gotta make dinner. PM me sometimes
25 [03/28/13 20:41:40] &OpheliaBlue: -s
24 [03/28/13 20:41:42] &Kendalina^_^`: start time?
25 [03/28/13 20:41:46] &OpheliaBlue: 6pm CST
25 [03/28/13 20:42:10] &OpheliaBlue: until about 5 minutes ago when I came on
25 [03/28/13 20:42:12] Nova357: Yeah I got 6:58 and after

Next Intro #DVA Class will be this Thursday, April 4th, at 6pm CST / 12am GMT

- Topic: The April 2013 Tasks of the Month

Thursday, April 4th #DVA Class:

Spoiler for chat:

[18:03:06] <&OpheliaBlue> Anyway, we'll give folks a few more minutes
[18:04:27] <&OpheliaBlue> I noticed alot of folks get messed up with the timezones, and I have an idea for that
[18:04:30] <hathor28> theres someone at LD askin stuff
[18:04:41] <+Hukif> Oh btw, your tasks are freaking amazing ophie.
[18:04:46] <+Hukif> I like the advanced II
[18:04:58] <%Lucidis> oh i did that task last night
[18:05:10] <%Lucidis> but i don't want to write it in my journal >.>
[18:05:29] <&OpheliaBlue> I can't take all the credit Hukif, we have a Lucid Task Club that come up with the ideas
[18:05:41] <&OpheliaBlue> Lazy Lucy
[18:05:56] <%Lucidis> someday i'll overcome it >.>
[18:05:57] <+Hukif> Yeah, at least you accept ideas. Ninja would just rush with an idea at the end of the month <.<
[18:05:57] <&OpheliaBlue> just post a chunk of the task part then
[18:06:06] <hathor28> had a dream about mobs again smh
[18:06:25] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif: awww really? That's no fun.
[18:06:29] <hathor28> http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/hath...ng-mobs-45204/
[18:06:33] <+Hukif> Yeah.
[18:06:39] <&OpheliaBlue> I'm a groupie, I like working in teams and groups and brainstorming and stuff
[18:06:53] <%Lucidis> the task i'm most interested in is the coal one for some reason
[18:07:14] <&OpheliaBlue> because it's coooooool
[18:07:23] <&OpheliaBlue> nah I like it, mel came up with that one
[18:07:26] <+Hukif> Why stop at diamond, though!
[18:07:27] <&OpheliaBlue> makes me think of superman
[18:07:37] <%Lucidis> Hukif: wtf comes after diamond?
[18:07:38] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif: RIGHT!
[18:07:48] <&OpheliaBlue> tiny galaxies
[18:07:49] <+Hukif> Its a dream, make up new materials.
[18:07:50] <&OpheliaBlue> duuh
[18:07:53] <%Lucidis>
[18:07:56] <&OpheliaBlue>
[18:08:11] <hathor28> lol
[18:08:25] <&OpheliaBlue> Anyway, I came up with the "lick something" task,because it's attainable for new LDers
[18:08:29] <+Hukif> I have created new radioactive elements that after being compressed radiate enough energy to counter anti-matter.
[18:08:34] <&OpheliaBlue> but this group is pretty expert
[18:08:49] <&OpheliaBlue> lol case in point ^^^
[18:09:50] <&OpheliaBlue> so Lucidis whcih task did you do last night?
[18:10:07] <%Lucidis> the drawing thing
[18:10:16] <hathor28> nice
[18:10:26] <+Hukif> What did you draw?
[18:10:26] <&OpheliaBlue> that's awesome! do tell
[18:10:47] <%Lucidis> well i was apparently making a storybook for Lucia
[18:11:07] <hathor28> oooh
[18:11:23] <&OpheliaBlue> I'd really like to talk about ideas for this task specifically, and examples members could try. Like drawing a flower, then a flower appears. Something like that
[18:11:34] <&OpheliaBlue> (I interrupted) continue...
[18:12:01] <%Lucidis> sorry was busy with something
[18:12:07] <hathor28> lol
[18:12:13] <+Hukif> Ah, timing.
[18:12:27] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah, left us hanging bro
[18:12:41] <%Lucidis> i drew a picture of a little girl coming across a cabin in the woods
[18:13:00] <hathor28> i can picture that lol
[18:13:08] <&OpheliaBlue> sounds like a creepy asian movie lol
[18:13:12] <%Lucidis> and there was an old woman sitting on the porch there
[18:13:19] <hathor28> O_o
[18:13:21] <&OpheliaBlue> oh Lord Jesus, it's The Ring
[18:13:34] <%Lucidis> lol it wasn't horror
[18:13:37] <hathor28> reminds me of horror movies
[18:13:39] <+Hukif> Yes, I like where this horr... dream is going.
[18:13:41] <+Hukif> WAH no!
[18:13:43] <hathor28> but still
[18:13:48] <&OpheliaBlue> our bad, continue
[18:13:50] <%Lucidis> i wouldn't give my daughter a story like that
[18:14:08] <hathor28> daughter??
[18:14:15] <&OpheliaBlue> LD Daughter
[18:14:15] <+Hukif> His dream daughter, lucid
[18:14:18] <+Hukif> His dream daughter, lucia
[18:14:23] <hathor28> oh wow
[18:14:27] <&OpheliaBlue> repeat DC
[18:14:29] <&OpheliaBlue> basically
[18:14:34] <%Lucidis> can't remember the details too well but i started writing the story
[18:14:48] <&OpheliaBlue> (I gotta pee real quick, but I'll catch up)
[18:14:49] <DreamGuider> Hmm
[18:14:50] <%Lucidis> and then the dream sort of skipped or faded into the story itself
[18:15:03] <%Lucidis> the story was called the three lessons
[18:15:08] <hathor28> cool
[18:15:36] <+Hukif> Well, thanks to that story/task I just learned how to master the "art of fighting with drawings"
[18:15:39] <%Lucidis> the little girl was seeking an old woman who lived in the forest because she was said to be filled with wisdom
[18:15:58] <hathor28> oh nice
[18:16:05] <hathor28> this could be a movie!
[18:16:10] <%Lucidis> i think i was the little girl in the dream
[18:16:16] <DreamGuider> Loo
[18:16:17] <%Lucidis> hathor i doubt that
[18:16:26] <hathor28> no u made one
[18:16:30] <hathor28>
[18:16:43] <DreamGuider> Lucidis. The movie
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[18:16:51] <hathor28> lol
[18:16:58] <+Hukif> Ah, so other people know about that project.
[18:16:58] <Billyboy1999> Hey
[18:17:15] <DreamGuider> Shhh. Lucidis doesn't know
[18:17:21] <%Lucidis> i just realized the story in the dream is almost the same as some story in a hypnosis session i was listening to before bed
[18:17:22] <DreamGuider> Continue the topic at hand!
[18:17:32] <%Lucidis> but i didn't remember anything after the hypnosis
[18:17:33] <hathor28> what?
[18:17:39] <hathor28> a session?
[18:17:45] <%Lucidis> and now brain is confusticated
[18:17:59] <+Hukif> And he watches Icarly, too.
[18:18:11] <%Lucidis> i haven't watched that show in a long time
[18:18:24] <DreamGuider> Hmm
[18:18:45] <&OpheliaBlue> interesting
[18:18:45] <DreamGuider> Last night?
[18:18:48] <%Lucidis> maybe i should just write this in a journal so i can explain things better
[18:18:53] <&OpheliaBlue> sounds good!
[18:18:56] <hathor28> ikr
[18:19:03] <hathor28> dj rocks
[18:19:03] <+Hukif> Yes, write it!
[18:19:07] <&OpheliaBlue> So hey, quick question guys:
[18:19:16] <%Lucidis> unfortunately i can only remember 2 of the 3 lessons -_-
[18:19:32] <&OpheliaBlue> How would you instruct a new lucid dreamer to complete the basic i task
[18:19:45] <%Lucidis> the prank task?
[18:19:54] <&OpheliaBlue> Assuming they could find a DC fairly easily, how might they prank the DC
[18:19:55] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah
[18:20:14] <%Lucidis> well assuming we're past the get lucid phase
[18:20:23] <&OpheliaBlue> Ideas on how to accomplish the tasks themselves are just as important as getting lucid at all
[18:20:26] <hathor28> does escaping from dc's capture win as a prank?
[18:20:27] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah
[18:20:29] <+Hukif> Tell them it is a dream and then fail a RC.
[18:20:45] <&OpheliaBlue> haha get the DC to RC?
[18:20:52] <%Lucidis> well you could say "you have something on your shirt"
[18:20:53] <+Hukif> Yus!
[18:20:56] <%Lucidis> and then flick them in the nose
[18:20:59] <&OpheliaBlue> niiiice
[18:21:07] <&OpheliaBlue> and oreo, a guy did that one already, can you believe it?
[18:21:11] <hathor28> such an old prank lol
[18:21:22] <&OpheliaBlue> can't remember who, but they pranked an old man with that one, and he thumped his nose
[18:21:23] <%Lucidis> well it's the oldest and simplest prank there is
[18:21:28] <&OpheliaBlue> I know, it's perfect
[18:21:53] <%Lucidis> it's actually kind of hard for me to think of simple easy ones though
[18:21:56] <+Hukif> lol poor old man!
[18:22:07] <%Lucidis> i want to come up with a cleverly complex prank
[18:22:12] <&OpheliaBlue> I was thinking either, trip a DC with your leg maybe, as an easy one
[18:22:44] <&OpheliaBlue> maybe tell them to "look over there!" and chuck something at their head
[18:22:45] <DreamGuider> I would put a rubber band on the kitchen sprayer and wait for my mom to wash her hands
[18:23:00] <&OpheliaBlue> or, "Hey hold this candle" but it's really lit dynamite, but that's harder
[18:23:13] <DreamGuider> Run away!
[18:23:14] <&OpheliaBlue> DreamGuider: I did that to my gma IRL hahahahaha
[18:23:21] <&OpheliaBlue> such a good one
[18:23:23] <DreamGuider> Hahaha :3
[18:23:26] <%Lucidis> point behind them and say "look out for that monster"
[18:23:33] <hathor28> the dirt on the shirt thing started around 1996 last i remembered during school my dream guy did it to me in real looool
[18:23:38] <&OpheliaBlue> and then there's really a monster?
[18:23:41] <%Lucidis> and then transform into a monster while they're turned around
[18:23:44] <&OpheliaBlue> oh hahaha
[18:23:45] <%Lucidis> then when they look back at you
[18:24:05] <%Lucidis> i should try that one
[18:24:11] <&OpheliaBlue> I love this task, you can do hard or easy, and not feel guilty no matter what you do
[18:24:23] <&OpheliaBlue> unless it's your lucid daughter
[18:24:24] <+Hukif> What if you run into a picture toon-style and tell the DC to do the same, just to see them hit a wall?
[18:24:35] <&OpheliaBlue> niiice
[18:24:46] <DreamGuider> xD
[18:24:49] <+Hukif> Depends on the daughter, if its Fear she deserves a good prank <.<
[18:24:50] <&OpheliaBlue> or do anything magical in a lucid because you can, and tell them to do the same
[18:25:00] <&OpheliaBlue> "Jump off this cliff and fly!"
[18:25:09] <+Hukif> lol
[18:25:12] <&OpheliaBlue> though the DC could surprise you
[18:25:16] <hathor28> i wonder if lucidis daughter is connected to past life hmm, nvm i said that lol
[18:25:16] <%Lucidis> another simple one would be that joke with Pete and Repete sitting in a boat
[18:25:20] <+Hukif> Throw something heavy if they can fly <.<
[18:25:38] <&OpheliaBlue> hell yeah throw something at them
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[18:25:42] <%Lucidis> i think it's something like "jack fell off and who was left?"
[18:25:51] <&OpheliaBlue> repete?
[18:25:57] <%Lucidis> when the person answers "repeat" you tell the story all over again
[18:26:00] <&OpheliaBlue> then you say it again? aha
[18:26:02] <&OpheliaBlue> hahaa
[18:26:05] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Layl
[18:26:08] <Layl> hi
[18:26:20] <%Lucidis> my father tried that on me
[18:26:22] <Layl> won't be contributing much to any discussions, I got work to do >_<
[18:26:25] <%Lucidis> but i was like "i'm not doing this"
[18:26:25] <&OpheliaBlue> we're coming up with ideas on how to accomplish the TOTMs
[18:26:38] <&OpheliaBlue> with focus on members who are beginners
[18:26:50] <&OpheliaBlue> awwwwww, ok Layl
[18:27:15] <&OpheliaBlue> I thought of an idea for the coal one. At least, in terms of getting the coal to begin with.
[18:27:24] <+Hukif> Hmmm, bite someone and scream "braaaaaaaaaains"
[18:27:27] <DreamGuider> Punch the ground
[18:27:28] <&OpheliaBlue> This has been working for me lately as a summoning object tool:
[18:27:32] <&OpheliaBlue> lol nooo
[18:27:37] <DreamGuider> And take it from the ground
[18:27:40] <DreamGuider> Hell ya
[18:27:53] <Layl> DreamGuider, what did the ground ever do to you D:
[18:27:53] <DreamGuider> Then cup it in your hands shake it... hello diamond
[18:27:55] Alucinor^XIII [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[18:27:56] <%Lucidis> we did have a task related to becoming a zombie back in october i think
[18:27:58] <&OpheliaBlue> In real life, I place the object somewhere that I dream of often, in my case, somewhere in my house, since I always WILD and end up in my house.
[18:27:58] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +v Alucinor^XIII
[18:28:00] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +o Alucinor^XIII
[18:28:08] <@Alucinor^XIII> >_>
[18:28:12] <Layl> In fact the ground has been to all of us a pretty great supporter
[18:28:13] <%Lucidis> the task was to be bitten by a vampire, werewolf, or zombie and then describe the transformation
[18:28:17] <Layl> unlike gravity which has been holding us down
[18:28:20] <%Lucidis> hello Alucinor^XIII
[18:28:21] Alucinor^XIII jedi mind tricks the chat.
[18:28:22] <Layl> *badum tish*
[18:28:22] <@Alucinor^XIII> I am not late. *handwave*
[18:28:22] <&OpheliaBlue> THen when I dream of, say the kitchen, I find the object is there where I left it irl
[18:28:24] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Alucinor^XIII
[18:28:35] <%Lucidis> oh Alucinor^XIII, you're early
[18:28:45] <DreamGuider> Alucinor.. your late
[18:28:47] <@Alucinor^XIII> Cause I love you all so much, yes.
[18:28:54] <@Alucinor^XIII> DAMMIT DREAMGUIDER
[18:28:55] <+Hukif> And so, Alucinor became present.
[18:28:57] <@Alucinor^XIII> Back on topic
[18:28:58] <DreamGuider>
[18:29:09] Lucidis searches for the third lesson
[18:29:23] DreamGuider waits
[18:29:38] DreamGuider should talk in third person now
[18:29:39] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "TOPIC: Suggestions for Completing the April Tasks of the Month"
[18:29:45] DreamGuider thinks its cool..
[18:29:58] <@Alucinor^XIII> So, I never do or keep up with the tasks. >_>
[18:30:01] <@Alucinor^XIII> What are they this month
[18:30:07] <+Hukif> If you want to make the advanced advanced easy, just draw yourself doing something then mimic it.
[18:30:09] <hathor28> hi
[18:30:13] <&OpheliaBlue> http://www.dreamviews.com/task-month...il-2013-a.html
[18:30:17] DreamGuider read that you nerd to trick a DC
[18:30:25] DreamGuider meant need
[18:30:46] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah that's what I was thinking Hukif.. draw a stick figure holding a ball, then find a ball and hold it
[18:30:54] <&OpheliaBlue> it doesn't have to be epic like oreo's
[18:31:03] DreamGuider thinks this is funny
[18:31:10] <%Lucidis> the third lesson was you must listen very closely
[18:31:20] <%Lucidis> i was hoping for something cooler than that
[18:31:26] DreamGuider is listening very closely
[18:31:49] <+Hukif> "mimics"
[18:32:16] OpheliaBlue thinks of more ideas since 3rd person is the new 1st person in #DVA
[18:32:32] DreamGuider started a trend
[18:32:37] <%Lucidis> so apparently i just took a story that i was told during hypnosis and made a storybook out of it
[18:32:41] <@Alucinor^XIII> If I had a sexy lucid...that involved oral...does that count as tasting something? >>;;
[18:32:43] <+Hukif> Wait, does sexual harassment to piss the DC off count as a prank?
[18:32:51] <@Alucinor^XIII> Cause I may have inadvertently done one of the tasks
[18:32:52] <%Lucidis> Hukif: ehh kind of
[18:33:01] OpheliaBlue would like to hear some ideas on how to turn that lump of coal into a diamond. Apply heat and pressure? Use a command? Expect it to be there?
[18:33:02] <+Hukif> Oh then I did the task 3 days ago.
[18:33:17] <%Lucidis> i'd call it trolling but that's a form of pranking i suppose
[18:33:19] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif: maybeeeee
[18:33:21] <+Hukif> Jump, fall on top of it and expect that to work.
[18:33:26] <&OpheliaBlue> omg
[18:33:28] <+Hukif> Yeah I was trolling <.<
[18:33:29] DreamGuider thinks you should expect it to be there
[18:33:34] <&OpheliaBlue> "surprise sex" could be a prank?
[18:33:37] <@Alucinor^XIII> lol
[18:33:39] <+Hukif> lol wha
[18:33:40] <@Alucinor^XIII> Rape
[18:33:41] <hathor28> lol
[18:33:43] <@Alucinor^XIII> its a prank right
[18:33:45] <%Lucidis> OpheliaBlue: didn't the task say to do it by squeezing the coal with your hands?
[18:33:50] <&OpheliaBlue> ooooooookay we went too far left
[18:33:55] <+Hukif> Fall on top of it with your hands, there.
[18:33:57] <@Alucinor^XIII> Yes
[18:34:01] <&OpheliaBlue> Lucidis: oh you're right, that was the wording
[18:34:03] <%Lucidis> or is it actually one of those tasks where you can turn it into diamonds any way you want
[18:34:15] DreamGuider thinks it is
[18:34:17] <%Lucidis> either way i'm going to use my hands
[18:34:30] <%Lucidis> i'll squeeze it while heating it up with fire magic
[18:34:32] <Layl> Is driving a DC into existentialism a prank?
[18:34:39] <+Hukif> I create diamonds casually in dreams, since they sell well in nearly every planet <.<
[18:34:46] <%Lucidis> Layl: i don't think so
[18:34:52] <Layl> oh well
[18:34:53] DreamGuider thinks that's more like homicide
[18:34:54] <&OpheliaBlue> I'm sure we can be flexible on it. Shit, if you can get coal, put it in your hands, and forge a diamond, doesn't really matter if you squeezed or sneezed
[18:35:17] <hathor28> what is DreamGuider ?
[18:35:31] <Layl> not an it for one
[18:35:39] <&OpheliaBlue> Ok, we've gone over by 5 minutes, feel free to continue any ontopic Dream discussion.

Next #DVA Class: tonight, Thursday April 11th, at 6pm CST. Mass PM sent.

And the log for that ^^ class:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[18:00:49] <&OpheliaBlue|Away> !back
[18:00:49] OpheliaBlue|Away [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[18:00:51] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Pennyroyal
[18:01:04] <Pennyroyal> Hi Oph
[18:01:13] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "TOPIC: April Tasks of the Month"
[18:01:26] Alucinor^XIII [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[18:01:28] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +v Alucinor^XIII
[18:01:29] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +o Alucinor^XIII
[18:01:42] kraom yawns having woke up from his nap only 10 minutes ago
[18:02:06] <&OpheliaBlue> hi alu and kraom
[18:02:10] <@kraom> hi
[18:02:19] <&OpheliaBlue> hope this class doesn't wind up being just another DVA staff meeting
[18:02:26] <Pennyroyal> Im not staff ;D
[18:02:50] <&OpheliaBlue> staff + Penny
[18:03:14] <&OpheliaBlue> congrats on the lucid prank by the way
[18:03:39] <Exotiraan> !in 32m, dvalog
[18:03:39] <Demonbot> Exotiraan: Done.
[18:03:42] <&OpheliaBlue> we'll give them a few more minutes, and if it's another no-show, then y'all can have a free period
[18:03:43] <Pennyroyal> Thanks
[18:04:03] <@kraom> free period WOO\
[18:04:07] <Exotiraan> !chores scheduler list
[18:04:08] <Demonbot> 6: "dvalog"
[18:04:14] <Exotiraan> !scheduler remove 6
[18:04:15] <Demonbot> Exotiraan: Done.
[18:04:24] <Exotiraan> --- DVALOG ---
[18:04:35] <+realdealmagic> suuuup
[18:04:39] <Exotiraan> !in 32m, dvalog Exotiraan: --- DVALOG ---
[18:04:39] <Demonbot> Exotiraan: Done.
[18:04:48] <&OpheliaBlue> what IS your bot doing there buddy
[18:04:51] <@kraom> hey
[18:04:53] <&OpheliaBlue> hi realdeal
[18:04:56] <+realdealmagic> hello
[18:05:15] <Exotiraan> Setting it on a timer so that it will log on its own.
[18:05:59] <&OpheliaBlue> oh neat
[18:06:16] Hukif [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[18:06:16] DreamBot [[email protected]] has set mode +v Hukif
[18:06:22] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Hukif
[18:06:29] <+Hukif> Hai
[18:06:47] <&OpheliaBlue> I love all you guys, but I wish some of the newbies would attend
[18:07:07] <+realdealmagic> "I love all you guys, but FUCK OFF"
[18:07:09] Exotiraan kicks himself for not looking for Alucinor^XIII while he was in God Mode this morning.
[18:07:16] kraom remembers when he joined the class these sessions were always packed
[18:07:18] <@kraom>
[18:07:25] <&OpheliaBlue> Yeah, "but" is a terrible word to follow "I love you"
[18:07:30] <+realdealmagic> Hehe
[18:07:38] <+realdealmagic> Yeah, I remember the days when this place would be full to the brim.
[18:07:40] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah I don't know what changed kraom
[18:07:48] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: Unless it has an "r" after it.
[18:07:59] <+Hukif> lol
[18:08:00] <&OpheliaBlue> I love you butr?
[18:08:02] Oceandrop [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[18:08:06] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Oceandrop
[18:08:16] <&OpheliaBlue> congrats on the TOTM
[18:08:24] <Oceandrop> Hey, thanks!
[18:08:25] <Exotiraan> s/( but)(.)/\2\2t/
[18:08:28] <Exotiraan> :s/( but)(.)/\2\2t/
[18:08:28] <Demonbot> <OpheliaBlue> I love yourrt?
[18:08:29] <&OpheliaBlue> you going for any of the TOTM or TOTY, Hukif?
[18:08:42] <&OpheliaBlue> lol exo
[18:08:49] <&OpheliaBlue> yogurt?
[18:08:52] <+Hukif> Ah, don't post anymore so nop.
[18:09:02] <Exotiraan> :s/( but)(.)/\2\1t/
[18:09:02] <&OpheliaBlue> awww
[18:09:03] <Demonbot> <OpheliaBlue> I love your butt?
[18:09:06] <+Hukif> Though I did the ToTY last year lol
[18:09:06] <&OpheliaBlue> ahh
[18:09:07] <Exotiraan> There we go.
[18:09:09] <Oceandrop> He is just here for the yogurt
[18:09:13] <@Alucinor^XIII> Exotiraan: D:
[18:09:34] <Exotiraan> Alucinor^XIII: I will remember tonight!
[18:09:41] <@Alucinor^XIII> I dont really follow the ToTM, but I figured I'd show up for this anyway
[18:09:42] <@Alucinor^XIII> >_>
[18:09:54] <@kraom> i got up from my nap early to come
[18:09:57] <@kraom> !
[18:10:03] <@kraom> lol
[18:10:09] <&OpheliaBlue> awww, and I appreciate it!
[18:10:16] <Exotiraan> Alucinor^XIII: I didn't get any demons there, either. And got rejected by two crushes.
[18:10:16] <@Alucinor^XIII>
[18:10:28] <@Alucinor^XIII> Exotiraan: Yeah, so what did you do in that dream?
[18:10:36] <&OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: I traded demons for archangels
[18:10:39] <&OpheliaBlue> u mad?
[18:10:45] <+Hukif> Whats the ToTM for april again?
[18:10:52] <&OpheliaBlue> !totm
[18:10:54] *Demonbot* Error: Couldn't open that URL. HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[18:10:58] <&OpheliaBlue> eeeeh
[18:11:08] kraom sometimes has sex with just regular humans DCs sometimes, you.. not mad?
[18:11:09] <&OpheliaBlue> http://www.dreamviews.com/task-month...il-2013-a.html
[18:11:26] <&OpheliaBlue> exo why your bot no totm?!
[18:11:31] <+Hukif> Oh right, the diamond thingy.
[18:11:32] <Exotiraan> Because the forum changed.
[18:11:35] <Oceandrop> regular human DCs? Why not spice it up with tentacles and shit? lol
[18:11:42] <Oceandrop> jk
[18:12:04] <+Hukif> Actually did the basic II and advanced II
[18:12:26] <+realdealmagic> Crushing into diamon, that sounds fu
[18:12:28] <+realdealmagic> fun*
[18:12:34] <@kraom> i still need to work on not just uhh jumping into the air any flying around
[18:12:44] <@kraom>
[18:12:58] <Oceandrop> I did the advanched 2 once in a non lucid
[18:13:01] <+realdealmagic> Hiy, that's fun alone!
[18:13:09] <@kraom> the other morning i was remembering things and then i forgot when i was going with some DCs to get some drugs.. damn it.
[18:13:10] <Oceandrop> but sadly that doesn't count :<
[18:13:26] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif: really? how did you manage the diamond one? curious
[18:13:39] <+Hukif> Diamond? No the draw one.
[18:13:54] <&OpheliaBlue> oh even better
[18:14:01] <+Hukif> I do the diamond one casually, when buying stuff. Teleport coal to my hands, use a power and make it into diamond to pay <.<
[18:14:09] <&OpheliaBlue> haha cool
[18:14:54] <&OpheliaBlue> you know, on what kraom just said, I'm finding alot of folks getting entangled with DCs in their lucids, which takes them off track
[18:15:04] <@kraom> YEA
[18:15:06] <Oceandrop> true dat
[18:15:10] <&OpheliaBlue> I'm starting to ignore their wishes, and incorporating them into MY story
[18:15:12] <+Hukif> Eh, when they start getting annoying, eat them.
[18:15:20] <&OpheliaBlue> or just eat them lol
[18:15:23] kraom gets distracted by those blonde DCs...
[18:15:28] <Oceandrop> lol
[18:15:42] <&OpheliaBlue> For example, my son appeared in a lucid when I was attempting a task, and he had a bloody knee. So I just made him do the task with me
[18:15:58] <+realdealmagic> I thought you were gonna tell me you ate your son
[18:15:59] <@kraom> i dont know about eating my DCs i only sort of recently got them not to run away from me..
[18:16:00] <&OpheliaBlue> if I had stopped to tend to the knee, I may have gone nonlucid
[18:16:08] <+Hukif> Oh thats a good way to solve hte problem.
[18:16:09] <&OpheliaBlue> kraom: I remember that haha
[18:16:18] <@kraom> :/
[18:16:21] <Exotiraan> Alucinor^XIII: Mostly a bit of exploring. I was between a complex that looked kinda like a hotel and it had rows of doors on my hall that led to rooms and storage areas, and a the innkeeper-lady wondering around, outside (where dark clouds formed around a bright stairway-to-heaven arrangement of lit ones and the cores of the dark ones had tendrils coming out), and in the plot of some
[18:16:22] <Exotiraan> show.
[18:16:25] <&OpheliaBlue> but yeah, make them follow YOUR agenda, not the other way around
[18:16:29] <Exotiraan> <late-and-long>
[18:16:59] <@Alucinor^XIII> yeah
[18:17:06] <@Alucinor^XIII> Summed up: DCs are evil/assholes
[18:17:09] <@Alucinor^XIII> All you need to know
[18:17:12] <@Alucinor^XIII>
[18:17:25] <&OpheliaBlue> they are... they're your subC's way of cock-blocking your fun
[18:17:30] <@kraom> yea.. i saved a DC or well not exactly saved her since i was the one who almost killed her.. and uh said Id protect her she didnt know it was me who almost killed her, then she ended up controlling what i did..
[18:17:49] <+Hukif> See, that is why its much easier to be the villain.
[18:17:52] <&OpheliaBlue> next time give her a deck of cards to play with
[18:17:58] <&OpheliaBlue> while you go about your own goals
[18:18:06] <@kraom> or just actually kill her instead..
[18:18:06] <+Hukif> Their blocking nature is actually fun when you are evil lol
[18:18:07] <&OpheliaBlue> or be the villain haha
[18:18:31] <@kraom> i mean im sure it would have been fun if i actually hit her with the trash truck
[18:18:42] <@kraom> .. i had stolen a trash truck
[18:18:42] <&OpheliaBlue> it's hard to with the DC version of my son, I admit, but I knew he would want to break wine glasses with me in real life, so the DC version obliged. And he didn't have any more knee issues for the rest of the dream
[18:18:54] Exotiraan kinda wishes he hadn't 've chickend out at the tendrils-from-the-sky part and Wikipedia-reverted it. That could've been an adventure-dream in the making.
[18:19:08] <&OpheliaBlue> you stole a trash truck? nice
[18:19:13] <@kraom> yep
[18:19:22] <@kraom> from a mexican guy selling churros
[18:19:23] <+Hukif> lol breaking glass, what for?
[18:19:29] <&OpheliaBlue> mmmmm churros
[18:19:35] <@kraom> they smelled so good.
[18:19:40] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif: last month, a basic task was just to break anything
[18:19:49] <+Hukif> Wait... churros and trash truck... no <.<
[18:19:55] <@kraom> well
[18:19:56] <Exotiraan> What is this month's TOTM, again?
[18:20:01] <@kraom> just how it worked out
[18:20:04] <&OpheliaBlue> I knew I wanted to break glasses, because I was already in my house in the start of the LD. Easy peasy right? Then Chris shows up with a bloody knee.
[18:20:09] <&OpheliaBlue> exo http://www.dreamviews.com/task-month...il-2013-a.html
[18:20:28] <Exotiraan> !mka totmthread echo http://www.dreamviews.com/task-month...il-2013-a.html
[18:20:28] <Demonbot> Exotiraan: Done.
[18:20:30] <&OpheliaBlue> but I turned that shit around. I'm tired of DCs ruining all the fun
[18:20:36] <+Hukif> Yeah
[18:20:41] <&OpheliaBlue> !totm
[18:20:41] *Demonbot* Error: Couldn't open that URL. HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[18:20:57] <@kraom> yea my problem isnt so much DCs all the time, more of myself, and not being able to really focus
[18:21:10] <@kraom> !totmthread
[18:21:10] <Demonbot> http://www.dreamviews.com/task-month...il-2013-a.html
[18:21:13] <@kraom> nailed it
[18:21:19] <&OpheliaBlue> is the focus issue like, remembering what you wanted to do?
[18:21:31] <@kraom> well sort of im sure if i tried i could
[18:21:39] Exotiraan remembers to try those when he goes to bed tonight or again in the morning.
[18:21:42] <@kraom> by i just go with the dream or my first impulse
[18:21:59] <&OpheliaBlue> oh
[18:22:06] <@kraom> but*
[18:22:38] <@kraom> like the the yesterday morning i had several lucid dreams, but only flew around or used telekinesis x.x
[18:22:40] <&OpheliaBlue> sadly for me, I find I raelly need a goal or 2 to lock in the dream. Having prememorized tasks/goals tends to be what keeps my focus in the LD. "Stabilizes it" if you care for that term
[18:23:04] <&OpheliaBlue> oh well flying and telekinesis is cool!
[18:23:17] <@kraom> im tried of it.. haha
[18:23:29] <&OpheliaBlue> oh fair enough.. I finally got tired of lucid sex
[18:23:38] <@kraom> but, i think ill be trying to remember things from now on
[18:23:42] <&OpheliaBlue> i ALWAYS did that, now I like other things
[18:23:58] <@kraom> thats all i did in the beginning like before i joined DV
[18:23:59] <&OpheliaBlue> it gets addictive, because there are soooooooo many things to try!
[18:24:10] <@kraom> my physical DJ full of sex dreams.
[18:24:14] <+Hukif> Hmm, dream addictions.
[18:24:17] <Exotiraan> I at least had nice DCs. Even at the rejection-part, they were at least nice about it. And the innkeeper tried to help me find the demons I was looking for, but she lead me a room with a "dragon-gecko" in it and a "dragon-gecko" costume in the closet.
[18:24:28] <&OpheliaBlue> My biggest issue is summoning characters. I can do objects and even environments okish, but not always specific people
[18:24:53] <@kraom> the only time i ever tried summoning a person i succeeded only to just walk right past them
[18:25:07] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: Same issue.
[18:25:12] <&OpheliaBlue> haha
[18:25:22] <+Hukif> Have you guys tried to summon instead a photo of said person, then pull them out?
[18:25:27] <&OpheliaBlue> I think my subC has to REALLY really want it
[18:25:33] <Exotiraan> 'Cept, it is easier with particular, well-known (to me) humans, than it is with anything else.
[18:25:39] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif: not a bad idea.
[18:25:41] <Exotiraan> (And particular, well-known animals.)
[18:25:46] <&OpheliaBlue> start with a THING first
[18:25:51] <@kraom> i used the ol' around the corner trick
[18:25:54] <@kraom> worked like a champ.
[18:25:56] <&OpheliaBlue> I can usually get them on the phone, but in person not always
[18:26:04] <&OpheliaBlue> kraom: luckyyyyy
[18:26:11] <+Hukif> Heh, reality warp sounds nice sometimes.
[18:26:14] <@kraom> oh and then i can always use the call out to the person and go find them
[18:26:26] <@kraom> i forgot ive done that on multiple occasions
[18:26:28] <&OpheliaBlue> I geuss deep down I know they're not really around the corner (Ophelia has daddy abandonment issues )
[18:26:41] <@kraom>
[18:26:50] <Exotiraan> I try to be clever and use the "use someone else that knows the place" trick.
[18:27:06] <Exotiraan> Or the "use the computer" trick.
[18:27:07] <&OpheliaBlue> and I'm just now realizing, that it's when I'm tryign to summon a man that I want, it rarely works.
[18:27:10] <&OpheliaBlue> omigosh
[18:27:15] <@kraom> yea, but whenever i rely on DCs it usually ends badly
[18:27:17] <&OpheliaBlue> I just psychoanalyzed myself
[18:27:20] <+Hukif> So passive, your summoning is guys.
[18:27:48] <&OpheliaBlue> I geuss if deep down I fear that he won't be there, then he's not there.
[18:27:50] <Exotiraan> I've only had active summonin work one time: yesterday.
[18:28:07] <&OpheliaBlue> I wonder then, if I would have better luck summoning someone more random, like a woman celebrity?
[18:28:16] <+Hukif> You should try.
[18:28:31] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah, summon someone who I don't care if I see or not
[18:28:43] <&OpheliaBlue> hey, teaching is learning, thanks!
[18:28:44] <@kraom> if only i could implement my idea to really have full control over a dream..
[18:28:57] <Exotiraan> When I summoned the guy that had a blade, woke up, and re-incubated him for sexy-time.
[18:29:00] <+Hukif> Does learning ever stop, anyway?
[18:29:05] <&OpheliaBlue> ^^
[18:29:11] <&OpheliaBlue> no, thanks goodness
[18:29:12] <+Hukif> Eww full control <.<
[18:29:14] <Exotiraan> But, any other time, it makes my dreams "sefault."
[18:29:22] <%Lucidis> my mother managed to keep me busy with things until the end of class >.>
[18:29:28] <+Hukif> Oh, sexy-time with bladed guy?
[18:29:30] <Exotiraan> Especially if it is me trying to summon a Guess-What?
[18:29:31] <&OpheliaBlue> I don't think I'd ever want FULL control, but I'd like more control over certain aspects for sure
[18:29:36] <&OpheliaBlue> DEMON
[18:29:44] <+Hukif> Sexy demon.
[18:29:55] <@kraom> well its not necessarily 'full' control but it works to the point where nothing i try fails
[18:29:56] <@kraom> haha
[18:30:01] <&OpheliaBlue> fair enough
[18:30:15] <+Hukif> Ah, still. To me that is boring.
[18:30:19] <Exotiraan> I was even afraid of that happening when I asked the innkeeper if she knew were one was. But it kept going.
[18:30:24] <&OpheliaBlue> summoning is really important in some of the TOTMs.. I try not to make ALL of them require summoning, but some of them do
[18:30:24] <+Hukif> Nothing like good old challenges.
[18:30:25] <@kraom> and i basically make the dream do all the heavy lifting
[18:30:26] <@kraom> hehe
[18:30:51] <+Hukif> lol, like?
[18:31:03] <@kraom> well.
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[18:31:10] <@kraom> its a long description of how it works
[18:31:36] <+Hukif> "likes long dream-stories"
[18:31:38] <&OpheliaBlue> it would be cool to be like a wizard in a dream: you know spells that will do certain things for you, but it's not like you're god and create every single thing and have to control every single thing. That would be exhausting
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[18:31:50] <&OpheliaBlue> hey hathor28
[18:31:51] <hathor28> ah in the middle
[18:31:52] <&OpheliaBlue> YOU'RE LATE
[18:31:56] <&OpheliaBlue> go sit in the corner
[18:31:58] <@kraom> basically it was an idea i had to make a sort of system inside of a dream that i could re-access, and instead of me directly controlling things the system did and i just basically make requests through the system
[18:32:01] <+Hukif> Hathor hai.
[18:32:01] <Exotiraan> It is interesting when your dream metaverse doensn't want to give you something so badly that every method you try to get at it gets foiled somehow.
[18:32:04] <hathor28> yer ma'am
[18:32:06] <Exotiraan> * doesn't
[18:32:09] <hathor28> oops yes
[18:32:14] <Exotiraan> And I still haven't figured out why.
[18:32:16] <@kraom> but uhm. yea idk if it will even work
[18:32:17] <@kraom> but oh well
[18:32:19] <&OpheliaBlue> system requests = magic spells. I like it
[18:32:28] <@kraom> exactly
[18:32:33] <hathor28> !hi all
[18:32:33] <Demonbot> Holy shit! this all person is back. Hello!
[18:32:35] <%Lucidis>
[18:32:38] <+Hukif> Oh, like a matrix of sorts.
[18:32:42] <hathor28> wheres paige
[18:32:44] <@kraom> yep
[18:32:44] <hathor28> lol
[18:32:52] <+Hukif> lol exo, because why try to tie ourselves out of the fun!
[18:32:53] <&OpheliaBlue> that would be really cool to practice over time: developing spells and commands for your own LDs
[18:33:08] Lucidis has no idea what we're talking about
[18:33:12] <&OpheliaBlue> she's asleep
[18:33:14] <+Hukif> Mmm spells.
[18:33:29] <+Hukif> And wth why, it should be we <.<
[18:33:29] <@kraom> i drank a magic potion in a lucid once..
[18:33:47] <hathor28> if shes asleep then how did she get here? lol
[18:33:49] <+Hukif> What did it do?
[18:33:50] <Exotiraan> I haven't tried magic, yet.
[18:33:51] <&OpheliaBlue> Lucidis: the topic evolved from TOTM, to summoning, to just all out lucid commands
[18:33:51] <@kraom> nothing happened and it tasted awful
[18:34:01] <&OpheliaBlue> oh I remember that task
[18:34:03] <Pennyroyal> /run beachdreamscape.exe
[18:34:06] <+Hukif> Only commands I ever used were the rules/laws, so yeah <.<
[18:34:15] <&OpheliaBlue> I got weird vine tattoos on my face, and the potion tasted like mint
[18:34:23] <%Lucidis> the only thing i have trouble with summoning is dream characters
[18:34:25] <hathor28> eww
[18:34:30] <&OpheliaBlue> same here oreo
[18:34:31] <+Hukif> Next time, don't buy the potions from the crazy tea man.
[18:34:39] <%Lucidis> i plan to develop a spell for DC summoning
[18:34:39] <@kraom> granted i was submerged in a car full of salt water.. so it might have diluted my potion
[18:34:50] <Pennyroyal> I havnt had any luck summong DC either
[18:34:55] <@kraom> lol ill try not to hukif
[18:34:55] <%Lucidis> putting things into spell form usually increases my chance of success
[18:35:12] <Exotiraan> I kinda think my mind would troll me on that and disallow magic because of the religion-association, then will turn around and let me draw portals into the walls in the same moment and validate the latter against the former.
[18:35:26] <+Hukif> Am I the only one who can summon human DCs without trouble?
[18:35:26] <&OpheliaBlue> Lucidis: Hukif and I were talking about how mamybe we're summoning characters that we really want, and are afraid of being let down. So we should try summoning a random character that means nothing to us. For practice.
[18:35:28] <&OpheliaBlue> Couldn't hurt
[18:35:39] <@kraom> i can also summon DCs fairly easily
[18:35:45] <+Hukif> Ah good.
[18:35:45] <%Lucidis> i associate magic with fantasy games
[18:36:16] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif: I'll admit right off the bat, I'm no natural. Everything Iv'e accomplished in lucid dreams I've had to work hard at.
[18:36:18] <hathor28> dreamt of a mountain lion on the loose in a town lol
[18:36:31] <&OpheliaBlue> so, summoning DCs is the next step
[18:36:37] <+Hukif> True that.
[18:36:42] kraom is kind of naturally good at lucid dreaming, but cant beat his impulses
[18:36:42] <Demonbot> Posting to Twitter: http://sprunge.us/fcjM - DVA Session - Done. http://twitter.com/dreamviews_dva
[18:36:43] <%Lucidis> i'm not afraid of being let down
[18:36:46] <+Hukif> Not like I am a natural, but eh started young.
[18:36:56] <&OpheliaBlue> I think that's why I love teaching lucid dreaming, I know all the pitfalls because I've done them myself
[18:37:07] <%Lucidis> not really sure how i could be let down by it
[18:37:11] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah, experience through the years helps alot
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[18:37:33] <&OpheliaBlue> Lucidis: even way way deep down, no fear of being disappointed if they don't show?
[18:37:46] <&OpheliaBlue> I admit I even get a tiny lump in my throat when folks don't show up for class
[18:37:53] <@kraom> lol
[18:38:00] <+Hukif> I don't get sad/afraid, just angry.
[18:38:04] <@kraom> good thing i woke up from my nap then
[18:38:08] <+Hukif> But the ones who don't show, is because they are resistant to summoning.
[18:38:11] <%Lucidis> well i've failed enough times that it's not a big deal if a fail again
[18:38:14] <&OpheliaBlue> yes, I would have cried
[18:38:45] <&OpheliaBlue> well, I'm still going to practice summoning random DCs
[18:38:49] <@kraom> well everyone would have, if i wasnt here..
[18:38:59] <%Lucidis> actually if i fail enough times i'll probably get angry enough to do it right
[18:39:03] <+Hukif> I am crying, if that helps.
[18:39:07] <@kraom> i think ill practice beating my impulsiveness
[18:39:07] <%Lucidis> which probably only makes sense in my world
[18:39:07] <&OpheliaBlue> haha
[18:39:07] <+Hukif> "stabs eyes"
[18:39:10] <&OpheliaBlue> group hug
[18:39:18] <+realdealmagic> Not sure what's going on 0_0
[18:39:28] <+realdealmagic> I've been monitoring chat because I had nothing to contribute
[18:39:31] <+realdealmagic> Turn my back for 2 seconds
[18:39:32] <&OpheliaBlue> eh, just discuss summoning and you'll be fine
[18:39:37] <+realdealmagic> Then hukif stabs someone in the eye
[18:39:38] <+Hukif> Yes, summons.
[18:39:42] <hathor28> i think dcs or just w/e summons themselves for me when i am in danger
[18:39:48] <%Lucidis> i remember when i tried to learn the lumos spell from hairy potter i kept failing
[18:39:48] <+realdealmagic> AH right.
[18:39:52] <+Hukif> Ah, auto-summon.
[18:39:59] <+Hukif> Hairy potter... ahahahaha
[18:40:00] <hathor28> yes
[18:40:05] <%Lucidis> then i got angry and ended up creating my own spell
[18:40:11] <+realdealmagic> I think when I want to summon someone I'll use either technology, or a spell of some sort
[18:40:11] <&OpheliaBlue> Lucidis: really? interesting, I've had issues with light myself
[18:40:34] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif mentioned summoning the picture first, then pulling them out of it
[18:40:36] <+realdealmagic> Like, a phone app that makes them just come up
[18:40:41] <+realdealmagic> appear out of thin air
[18:40:43] <&OpheliaBlue> so at least it's a two step process
[18:40:48] <hathor28> a what?
[18:40:50] <hathor28> lol
[18:40:53] <%Lucidis> the spell is pretty much the same as lumos but i say illumina instead
[18:40:57] <+Hukif> Oh yeah, if you have problems with human-summon, then get the item first.
[18:40:59] <&OpheliaBlue> haha a phone app.. our phones are basically magic wands these days
[18:40:59] <Exotiraan> "If I can make men appear out of thin air, then I can make light!"
[18:41:02] <%Lucidis> it's real easy for me now
[18:41:11] <Exotiraan> [Flips switch.] [Remains dark.] Shit!
[18:41:23] <&OpheliaBlue> !brb checking the grill
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[18:41:27] <Pennyroyal> Hmm i never considered the idea of making "spells" for dream control
[18:41:29] <Pennyroyal> interesting
[18:41:29] <hathor28> i dont use iphones in my dream, im very magical tho lol
[18:41:38] <%Lucidis> lights work fine for the most part in my dream world
[18:41:41] <+realdealmagic> Nah, I think Imma be magical
[18:41:43] <+realdealmagic> Well, no, I will be
[18:41:49] <Exotiraan> Lights are buggy in my dreams.
[18:41:49] <+realdealmagic> Because that's why I originally started all this
[18:41:51] <%Lucidis> you have to be magical
[18:41:54] <%Lucidis> because your name is realdealmagic
[18:41:58] <hathor28> lol
[18:41:59] <%Lucidis> there's no going back now
[18:41:59] <+realdealmagic> ...
[18:42:01] <+realdealmagic> yeah, that too
[18:42:02] <+realdealmagic>
[18:42:04] <@kraom> i thought about using a phone or a tablet for my dream system idea but ending up deciding on a just a verbal command system with some magic control panels
[18:42:20] <hathor28> my name is magical too
[18:42:25] <@kraom> is it
[18:42:25] <+Hukif> It is?
[18:42:35] <hathor28> yes
[18:42:40] <hathor28> a goddess
[18:42:43] <@kraom> my name is random letters on a keyboard i put together..
[18:42:47] <+Hukif> Oh right.
[18:42:47] <+realdealmagic> because it contains "hat" and magicians puill rabbits out of em
[18:42:51] <Exotiraan> Mine is already computer-based, and has been that way for the last few years, even when I'm not lucid, so I might as well stick with that.
[18:42:55] <+Hukif> lol yay for randomness!
[18:43:00] <hathor28> lol
[18:43:16] <Pennyroyal> Computer based?
[18:43:42] <@kraom> i guess the whole idea of system controlling my dreams though is pretty technology based..
[18:43:51] <@kraom> of a*
[18:44:02] <+Hukif> Hmm, interesting thread of NeoSioType
[18:44:14] <%Lucidis> hopefully i won't miss the saturday class
[18:44:21] <hathor28> !ud Hathor
[18:44:23] <Demonbot> hathor28: "Hathor" could mean, "Hathor is a very ancient goddess, dating to predynastic times. When dynastic rule began, as Horus was associated with the king, Hathor was with the queen. Her name translates to 'The House of Horus,' and so she is associated with the royal family. But also, as the entire world could be said to be the House of Horus, Hathor can be seen as the mother-goddess of the whole (1 more message)
[18:44:24] <+Hukif> You will, due to "rain"
[18:44:31] <%Lucidis> rain?
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[18:44:45] <%Lucidis> hello Nova357
[18:44:54] <Nova357> hello did I miss it?
[18:44:56] <hathor28> it should say goddess of magic, etc etc
[18:44:58] <&OpheliaBlue|BRB> hi Nova357
[18:44:58] <%Lucidis> yes
[18:45:02] <+Hukif> Yes, bad luck rain.
[18:45:02] <&OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
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[18:45:03] <%Lucidis> but we're still talking anyways
[18:45:16] <+Hukif> Mhm.
[18:45:28] <%Lucidis> hmm, i wonder what i should name my DC summon spell
[18:45:33] <&OpheliaBlue> we were discussing summoning dream characters, and tasks of the month
[18:45:34] <Exotiraan> I've been wanting to start a project to describe my dreams as an actually-executable Python program, then add stuff to it that I want to do and "execute" it in my dreams. And, when there are changes in the way things work in the dreams, I update the program.
[18:45:42] <%Lucidis> need to look up the lating words
[18:45:58] <+Hukif> Do it!
[18:46:12] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah, make it sound like something from HP
[18:46:13] <Pennyroyal> I like the idea of using magic to try and summon DCs I'm going to make that my goal next week after the competition
[18:46:20] <&OpheliaBlue> if you do that oreo, I'll use it too
[18:46:30] <Exotiraan> It also has the effect of making me better at Python. ;P
[18:46:31] <&OpheliaBlue> I believe this shall strenghten it
[18:46:33] <%Lucidis> i think my illumina spell is latin too
[18:46:45] <&OpheliaBlue> sounds like it, italian/roman/laitin
[18:46:48] <&OpheliaBlue> latin*
[18:46:53] <%Lucidis> but i just blurted it out without thinking in the dream
[18:46:54] <@kraom> Exotiraan: thats exactly what my dream system is like
[18:47:02] <@kraom> i even wrote a mock program
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[18:47:11] <+Hukif> Sounds like clock-work, but moar comp based.
[18:47:11] <hathor28> someone else came laterrr lol
[18:47:13] <%Lucidis> its weird how most of my dream abilities seem to come from instinct
[18:47:15] <@kraom> just have to work on executing it in my dream..
[18:48:01] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Lucidis: "veniunt hic" is Latin for "Come here you"
[18:48:10] <%Lucidis> lol
[18:48:11] <&OpheliaBlue> but I don't want a command that ends in "hic"
[18:48:14] <Exotiraan> Oddly enough, even though I have computer-y dreams, computers would be a terrible way for me to determing whether or not I am dreaming. ;P
[18:48:20] <&OpheliaBlue> needs to end in an "o" or something
[18:48:26] <+Hukif> Why not, if you get dream drunk already?
[18:49:07] <hathor28> dream drunk?
[18:49:19] <hathor28> something i never do in dreams lol
[18:49:23] <Nova357> How do you change your name?
[18:49:26] <&OpheliaBlue> I think I was once, but it was nonlucid
[18:49:54] <+Hukif> Oh, really? lol
[18:49:56] <hathor28> how was it?
[18:49:59] <Exotiraan> Things on the dream computers are work almost perfectly to the real-life counter parts. I can even write shell scripts on a dream computer and they will run the way they are supposed to (most of the time).
[18:50:33] <@kraom> or the way you expect them to run
[18:50:35] <Exotiraan> (Down to the syntax errors if you try to be clever and make it do something that doesn't actually exist in the language.)
[18:50:35] <%Lucidis> OpheliaBlue: well i was playing with google translator and found the word "compello"
[18:50:49] <%Lucidis> which apparently means "call upon by name"
[18:51:01] <%Lucidis> so i'm guessing it would be something like "compello Krystal"
[18:51:23] <+realdealmagic> has to be said in a mario accent
[18:51:24] <%Lucidis> though i'm kind of an amateur at latin
[18:51:39] <&OpheliaBlue> compello?
[18:51:45] <%Lucidis> compello
[18:52:06] kraom just uses english.
[18:52:15] Exotiraan knows not much of Latin, though his dreams like to pretend that they do, sometimes.
[18:52:34] <Nova357> I once had a dream in spanish
[18:52:36] <&OpheliaBlue> oh ok, compello means "to urge, address or speak to"
[18:52:43] <&OpheliaBlue> sounds good to me!
[18:53:02] <%Lucidis> oh there's also concalo
[18:53:07] <%Lucidis> which i think literally means summon
[18:53:08] <hathor28> <dreamt of reading russian
[18:53:13] <hathor28> one time
[18:53:20] <%Lucidis> either one sounds cool
[18:53:21] <&OpheliaBlue> Nova357: oh I just saw your question. You want to know how to change your name on the forum?
[18:53:36] <Nova357> OpheliaBlue: yeah
[18:53:38] <+Hukif> I don't get the o thingy.
[18:53:44] <%Lucidis> playing with latin is fun
[18:54:06] <+Hukif> faci praeso sounds good to me.
[18:54:08] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif: it's so you can elongate the comand if necessary: "Compellllooooooooooooooooooooooo"
[18:54:09] <@kraom> i dont really get the latin thing
[18:54:11] <@kraom>
[18:54:17] <&OpheliaBlue> it's more MAGICAL
[18:54:19] <%Lucidis> Hukif: the o is a type of ending that means something
[18:54:24] <@kraom> uh huh...
[18:54:25] <+Hukif> Which would translate as "Be present"
[18:54:34] <%Lucidis> but i'm too lazy to remember/explain what each ending stands for
[18:54:41] <+Hukif> Oh I studied latin, just don't get why its important for control lol
[18:54:50] <%Lucidis> it isn't
[18:54:53] <%Lucidis> it just sounds cooler to ophelia lol
[18:54:54] <&OpheliaBlue> it's not, we're just making up HP like spells
[18:55:04] <&OpheliaBlue> Nova357: you need to acquire more hall points first
[18:55:08] <%Lucidis> personally i think spells that end in -a sound cooler
[18:55:09] <+Hukif> Yes, thats what I don't get.
[18:55:13] <hathor28> i had ancient latin class in HS
[18:55:15] <&OpheliaBlue> you have 299 now, you need like 1700 more
[18:55:29] <Nova357> OpheliaBlue: whats a hall point?
[18:55:33] <hathor28> got like 80% passing mark of the course
[18:55:48] <&OpheliaBlue> you earn hall points by posting in the forum, being a member for a while, and by posting in your dream journal
[18:55:51] kraom claps for hathor being just good enough.
[18:56:01] <%Lucidis> now i have to decide if i want to use compello or concalo
[18:56:04] <hathor28> yes, just good enough
[18:56:07] <&OpheliaBlue> Nova357: if you get the 700, I'll kick in the remaining 1000
[18:56:19] <hathor28> 80% is alright lol
[18:56:21] <&OpheliaBlue> 10 points a day for dream journaling, by the way
[18:56:29] Exotiraan suddenly has another idea.
[18:56:30] <hathor28> cool
[18:56:36] <@kraom> im too lazy to dream jounral :/
[18:56:40] <hathor28> i dj whenever i dream
[18:56:46] <Nova357> Okay thanks
[18:56:48] kraom would like to here Exotiraan's idea
[18:56:51] <%Lucidis> me too kraom
[18:56:52] <&OpheliaBlue> np
[18:56:55] <+Hukif> Really ophelia? Dang my old DJ would have had like... 10k points or so!
[18:57:01] <&OpheliaBlue> I know right
[18:57:02] <%Lucidis> i still haven't bothered to write that dream for the task of the month
[18:57:11] <Exotiraan> If I can run Bash in my head like that, then why don't I just write a set of `dreamtools`?
[18:57:15] <hathor28> lol
[18:57:18] <&OpheliaBlue> setting a great example guys =/
[18:57:28] <@kraom> dreamtools..
[18:57:29] <hathor28> lucidis you are being bad now lol
[18:57:30] <+Hukif> Yeah, be ashamed.
[18:57:31] <@kraom> sounds good.
[18:57:31] <Exotiraan> They can each be little UNIX-y binaries that I can call from a Bash script in a terminal.
[18:57:37] <+Hukif> I am always up to date with my DJ!
[18:57:38] <&OpheliaBlue> for shaaaaame
[18:57:39] <Exotiraan> To control parts of my dreams.
[18:57:41] <+Hukif> Except for the last three days.
[18:57:46] <%Lucidis> hathor28: do as i say, not as i do
[18:57:47] <+Hukif> "cough"
[18:57:52] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif and hathor28 get gold stars for proper DJing
[18:58:03] <@kraom> i had like SEVERAL lds yesterday was i supposed to write all those!?
[18:58:07] <hathor28> i have like 120 i think ?
[18:58:10] <&OpheliaBlue> YES
[18:58:10] <hathor28> djs
[18:58:14] <+Hukif> I write over 7 lucids every day kraom, so yes!
[18:58:15] <%Lucidis> i had like 10 last night
[18:58:16] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: I started back yesterday.
[18:58:22] <hathor28> in less than a year
[18:58:22] <&OpheliaBlue> awesome
[18:58:23] <Exotiraan> But I am doing it on paper.
[18:58:27] <@kraom> too much work
[18:58:37] <&OpheliaBlue> sometimes I just tell someone my dreams, like at work
[18:58:44] <+realdealmagic> Starting off my DJ again starting tomorrow
[18:58:46] <%Lucidis> i probably should start DJing a little more just to give myself a recall boost
[18:58:48] <@kraom> i do that at school
[18:58:51] <&OpheliaBlue> if I didn't journal it, then at least I talked about it, so I don't forget it as bad
[18:58:53] <&OpheliaBlue> keeps recall up
[18:58:54] <Exotiraan> Now, I just gotta update my workbook.
[18:59:07] <+realdealmagic> LOOK AT MY WORKBOOK FOR FORMATTING TIPS BECAUSE GOSH DARN IT IS BEAUTIFUL
[18:59:09] <%Lucidis> i'll be entering a competition on another website soon so i'll probably be extra motivated
[18:59:09] <+Hukif> DJing for recall, meh <.<
[18:59:12] <+realdealmagic> Even if I do say so myself.
[18:59:12] <Exotiraan> It is probably older than a Debian installation at this point.
[18:59:13] <@kraom> i update my workbook most everyday now
[18:59:14] <@kraom>
[18:59:19] <&OpheliaBlue> I noticed too, that just by talking to me, my lucid dreaming friends at work will suddenly have an LD
[18:59:28] <+Hukif> Wait, competition oreo?
[18:59:30] <&OpheliaBlue> writing and talking about it puts lucidity in the forefront of your mind
[18:59:33] <Nova357> Im going to start a new journal once my old one is full- it has like 4 pages left
[18:59:33] <@kraom> magic.
[18:59:36] <%Lucidis> Hukif: i'd say my performance doubles when i actually bother to use my notebook
[18:59:42] <hathor28> what is exactly proper djing?
[18:59:51] <&OpheliaBlue> hathor28: doing it daily
[19:00:00] <%Lucidis> Hukif: it's some lucid challenge thing on LD4all
[19:00:04] <+Hukif> Oh that.
[19:00:12] <+Hukif> Wahahaha, oh I remember something fun regarding that comp.
[19:00:17] <&OpheliaBlue> even if it's to say: "I don'tremember any dreams, but I woke up feeling like I may have had a sad dream." or "I remember the color blue"
[19:00:17] <&OpheliaBlue> etc
[19:00:24] <Exotiraan> Hukif: Why "meh?"
[19:00:28] <hathor28> ok, sometimes i dont' cuz i dont dream daily lol
[19:00:35] <+Hukif> Oh, I have natural recall.
[19:00:40] <&OpheliaBlue> ok time to make dinner, thanks for showing up guys
[19:00:46] <%Lucidis> i have natural recall too
[19:00:47] <+Hukif> DJing serves no purpose for me other than keeping track of goals <.<
[19:00:47] <&OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: you can log here or later
[19:00:47] <Exotiraan> Photographic memory?
[19:00:53] <+Hukif> Not really.
[19:00:54] <%Lucidis> but the dream journal refines it
[19:01:05] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has changed topic to "TOPIC: April Tasks of the Month and Other Stuff"
[19:01:08] <Exotiraan> !tweetlog --c "DVA Session - After School" Lucidis: not afraid of being
[19:01:11] <+Hukif> Actually, DJing killed my recall when I first started lol
[19:01:12] <Demonbot> Posting to Twitter: http://sprunge.us/AfEU - DVA Session - After School - Done. http://twitter.com/dreamviews_dva
[19:01:22] <Exotiraan> !tweetlog --c "DVA Session - After School" Lucidis: not afraid of
[19:01:24] <Demonbot> Posting to Twitter: http://sprunge.us/QjaV - DVA Session - After School - Done. http://twitter.com/dreamviews_dva
[19:01:26] <&OpheliaBlue> thanks as always to you Exotiraan, and your bot
[19:01:29] <&OpheliaBlue> I really appreciate it
[19:01:41] <&OpheliaBlue> !away GRILL TIME
[19:01:41] <hathor28> class done
[19:01:42] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue|Away

Next #DVA Class is tonight, April 13th, at 6pm CST (12am GMT). The syllabus for this class can be found here.

PMs were sent out for it last night. Please PM me or Alucinor XIII if you didn't get the PM and wish to be added to the list.

Logs for ^^ that class:

Spoiler for #DVA:

[18:08:48] <@Alucinor^XIII> Class today is, generally, just a continuation of refreshing everyone on basics
[18:08:53] Exotiraan forgot what we're supposed to be putting in those, it has been so long.
[18:09:00] <TehDalek> I need to work on sticking to hukif's RC
[18:09:01] <@Alucinor^XIII> so, last time was about Sleep itself and Recall
[18:09:07] <@kraom> i just put whatever i feel like hehe
[18:09:10] <+realdealmagic> Exotiraan: My formatting hasn't slipped yet. Still beautiful.
[18:09:14] <@Alucinor^XIII> and following suit, today is on Dreamsigns, RCs, and Stabilization
[18:09:15] <TehDalek> I said I'd do it, but I forgot after the first day ;_;
[18:09:24] <Exotiraan> Ditto.
[18:09:28] <@Alucinor^XIII> Hukifs is the gravity check right?
[18:09:32] <+realdealmagic> yh
[18:09:34] <TehDalek> yep
[18:09:34] <&OpheliaBlue> I think so
[18:09:38] <&OpheliaBlue> that's a good one
[18:09:43] <+realdealmagic> tis a good one
[18:09:48] <+realdealmagic> His story of how he got it is good as well
[18:09:49] <&OpheliaBlue> I still look at my hands alot
[18:10:15] <@kraom> more and more ive really been waking up and then just going into dreams knowing im dreaming.. pretty good stuff
[18:10:22] <Exotiraan> My RC used to be the hand-check, but I've pretty much stopped it and rely on either intuition or "mental bugs."
[18:10:22] <@Chimpertainment> how do people stabilize? im still trying to get a handle on that...
[18:10:23] <&OpheliaBlue> ^^
[18:10:31] <@kraom> i acutally did that though the other day i counted my fingers and had like 7
[18:10:35] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah to kraom, after a while, it's more about the feeling.
[18:10:40] <@Alucinor^XIII> Anything that involves directing the senses to the dream world, Chimpertainment
[18:10:45] <+realdealmagic> That's good. I'm excited to get to that stage.
[18:10:47] <TehDalek> I generally don't think about dreams falling apart and they last fine
[18:10:51] <&OpheliaBlue> I still do RCs every now and then, which helps with some of those low level lucids
[18:10:52] <Xyvoch> hey chimpertainement
[18:10:53] <Exotiraan> Chimpertainment: Use your sen–what Alu said.
[18:10:54] <@Alucinor^XIII> Focusing on details
[18:10:58] <+realdealmagic> TehDalek: Tis a matter of expectation.
[18:10:59] <@Alucinor^XIII> tastes
[18:11:01] <@Alucinor^XIII> sights
[18:11:03] <@Alucinor^XIII> feelings
[18:11:11] <@Chimpertainment> mmk
[18:11:11] <@kraom> although i might be getting spoiled i was bitter after having 'only' two lucids this morning
[18:11:18] <TehDalek> keeping it stable is easy, remembering to turn it vivid is annoying
[18:11:20] <+realdealmagic> kraom: Fuck you.
[18:11:20] <&OpheliaBlue> you poor thang
[18:11:21] <+realdealmagic>
[18:11:25] <@Alucinor^XIII> Chanting "Om" really, really deep worked very well to me
[18:11:34] <@Alucinor^XIII> Made the entire dream reverberate
[18:11:38] <@Alucinor^XIII> and sharpened
[18:11:44] <@kraom> i guess i was mad because i fucked up and ruined my dream
[18:11:49] <Xyvoch> hey realdealmagic , how manys lds do you have?
[18:11:56] <+realdealmagic> Lol
[18:11:57] <+realdealmagic> still none
[18:12:00] <&OpheliaBlue> interesting Alucinor^XIII
[18:12:02] <Xyvoch> wow
[18:12:13] <@kraom> i just need to work on more clarity in my dreams
[18:12:14] <Xyvoch> haven't you been working for decades now?
[18:12:15] <+realdealmagic> I took another'other'other break.
[18:12:24] <+realdealmagic> What? No :L
[18:12:28] <+realdealmagic> I've only been on the forum about a year
[18:12:36] <+realdealmagic> And started and stopped at least 4 times or so
[18:12:41] <+realdealmagic> Which, yeah, is really REALLY not good
[18:12:44] <Xyvoch> same for me
[18:12:49] <+realdealmagic> Darn motivation/life/inability to stick to RCs
[18:12:53] <TehDalek> I've had at least 15 LDs since I started in Augist 2012
[18:12:53] <+realdealmagic> http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-clas...ml#post2008189
[18:13:07] <&OpheliaBlue> I like the link between reality checks and dream signs. Like, if you dream that your reflection in a mirror is messed up alot, then RC in front of a mirror in waking life.
[18:13:10] <+realdealmagic> People, go check out my workbook.
[18:13:21] <Exotiraan> IMO, I don't believe that dreams need to be "stabalized," at least not in the, "If you don't do $SILLY_THINGS, your dream is going to asplode!"
[18:13:23] <+realdealmagic> Yeah Ophe, strengthens the connection that bit more.
[18:13:27] <&OpheliaBlue> pretty basic stuff, but helpful
[18:13:30] <@Chimpertainment> realdealmagic: maybe try strengthening your intention during the day? that held me back for a long while
[18:13:37] <+realdealmagic> In what way?
[18:13:38] <@kraom> realdealmagic: that is a gorgeous workbook
[18:13:45] <+realdealmagic> Just keeping it in my head and stuff like that?
[18:13:48] <+realdealmagic> kraom: Thank you :3
[18:13:52] <+realdealmagic> The formatting is my pride and joy
[18:14:15] <TehDalek> imo DJing helps a lot...I just can't be proactive enough to keep it up. :/
[18:14:25] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: i need to stabilize otherwise i get distracted like a cat after a laser light...then my lds arent as good of quality as they could be
[18:14:35] <@kraom> mmm yea DJing helped me a lot when i first started,,
[18:14:44] <@kraom> and then i was all arrogant like what pff i dont need that
[18:14:47] <@Chimpertainment> realdealmagic: like...telling yourself you are going to do something at a certain time, then making sure you do it..
[18:14:59] <@Chimpertainment> excercising that memory thing in the brain
[18:15:07] <+realdealmagic> Ah I see
[18:15:11] <+realdealmagic> So rather than setting intentions for LDing
[18:15:11] <Xyvoch> my ld is my motivation too
[18:15:20] <Xyvoch> i mean dj*
[18:15:24] <+realdealmagic> Set intentions full stop, and get your brain to recognise that you WILL fulfill them?
[18:15:32] <@Chimpertainment> yep
[18:15:39] <+realdealmagic> Good idea
[18:15:45] <+realdealmagic> Although I feel like I'm pretty good at that already
[18:15:46] <@Chimpertainment> willpower is useless without strong intention
[18:15:48] <+realdealmagic> BUT i shall try it.
[18:15:51] <@Chimpertainment> like a boat without a rudder
[18:16:28] <@kraom> so good news, i remembered my goal this morning in my second lucid.. WOO
[18:16:34] <TehDalek> But yeah, stabilization is pretty easy, all you need to do is not think about it. If that becomes difficult, then excercize the senses. Particularly taste and smell. Also, relaxation is very helpful
[18:16:36] <@Chimpertainment> ive noticed RCs have been making my normal dreams a lot more detailed and reality-like
[18:16:37] <+realdealmagic> Well done kraom
[18:16:44] Lucidis gives kraom a cookie
[18:16:52] <@kraom> thank you, thank you
[18:16:53] <+realdealmagic> Not an oreo?
[18:16:54] kraom bows
[18:16:54] <+realdealmagic> Really?
[18:16:59] <%Lucidis> an oreo is a cookie
[18:17:03] <+realdealmagic> an oreo is a biscuit
[18:17:06] <+realdealmagic> a cookie is a cookie <_<
[18:17:14] <%Lucidis> it's called an oreo cookie
[18:17:18] <+realdealmagic> OREO.
[18:17:22] <+realdealmagic> they are biscuits.
[18:17:31] <%Lucidis> in america they are cookies
[18:17:31] <@Alucinor^XIII> lol
[18:17:32] <+realdealmagic> http://www.health200.com/wp-content/...chipcookie.jpg
[18:17:35] <+realdealmagic> This and this alone is a cookie.
[18:17:38] <+realdealmagic> Or variations of this.
[18:17:39] <&OpheliaBlue> oh brother
[18:17:43] <@Chimpertainment> makes sense...they have two slabs of dough with frosting in between
[18:17:44] <@Alucinor^XIII> Back on topic
[18:17:44] <+realdealmagic> Oreos are biscuits.
[18:17:49] <TehDalek> Anyway, RCs screw me up...That's why I think the gravity RC would be good since it is somewhat on a subconsious level
[18:17:50] <+realdealmagic> Yeah, anyhoo
[18:17:52] <%Lucidis> speaking of dream signs
[18:17:52] <@Alucinor^XIII> Or I will call down lightning and thunder upon you
[18:17:56] <@Alucinor^XIII> and your family
[18:17:57] <@Alucinor^XIII> >O
[18:17:58] <%Lucidis> i noticed i have developed a new dream sign
[18:18:02] <&OpheliaBlue> Ok so, basic question: What is the main purpose of reality checking?
[18:18:08] <%Lucidis> it now snows more often in my dreams
[18:18:09] <TehDalek> To question relaity
[18:18:13] <TehDalek> reality*
[18:18:15] <@Alucinor^XIII> Kinda
[18:18:20] <&OpheliaBlue> What is it we're trying to do with them to help with getting lucid
[18:18:22] <@Chimpertainment> to ensure you are dreaming...
[18:18:22] kraom doesnt use RCs, in fact whenever he does, they fail him! >:C\
[18:18:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> usually the question reality part preceeds the RCs
[18:18:27] <@Chimpertainment> or not
[18:18:27] <+realdealmagic> TO question your surroundings, and to make you more aware of them so that your brain will initiate this behaviour in your dream, and you will become lucid.
[18:18:36] <&OpheliaBlue> Reality checking increases _____ ?
[18:18:38] <%Lucidis> the main purpose of reality checking is to help a person confirm if they are awake or dreaming
[18:18:38] <@Chimpertainment> awareness
[18:18:40] <TehDalek> Awareness
[18:18:43] <+realdealmagic> I said it <_<
[18:18:43] <&OpheliaBlue> realdealmagic: kinda said it
[18:18:44] <+realdealmagic>
[18:18:45] <&OpheliaBlue> yeaaaah
[18:19:00] <&OpheliaBlue> awareness is HUGE in terms of attaining lucidity
[18:19:02] <+realdealmagic> My knowledge fails me not, simply my experience.
[18:19:08] <&OpheliaBlue> well said
[18:19:15] <@Chimpertainment> how often do people actually have that FEELING of awareness when they RC?
[18:19:17] <Exotiraan> Chimpertainment: I think of it like this: you don't think real life will disappear if you don't "stabalize" it and you don't think your metaverse will disappear if you don't "stabalize" when you're in a normal dream. So, why would you need to do it just because you know you're dreaming?
[18:19:22] <Exotiraan> </late>
[18:19:23] <+realdealmagic> Chimpertainment: Every time I do it.
[18:19:26] <TehDalek> well...lucid means awareness doesn't it?
[18:19:27] <TehDalek> heh
[18:19:28] <&OpheliaBlue> So how can we get our dream signs to help us with awareness, and therefore lucidity?
[18:19:34] <+realdealmagic> Every time I RC I attempt to become hyper-aware of my surroundings.
[18:19:47] <+realdealmagic> OpheliaBlue: Carry out RCs when we see our dreamsigns.
[18:19:55] <&OpheliaBlue> actually it means clear
[18:20:05] <&OpheliaBlue> clarity
[18:20:07] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: its a way of slowing me down, taking stock of my surroundings, instead of going crazy and losing the quality of the dream
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[18:20:14] <&OpheliaBlue> good job realdealmagic haha
[18:20:16] <%Lucidis> but we associate it with awareness for some reason
[18:20:19] <@kraom> oh Tiernan welcome!
[18:20:19] <+realdealmagic> Welcome Tiernan
[18:20:24] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Tiernan
[18:20:25] <%Lucidis> lucid = clear = clear mind?
[18:20:27] <Tiernan> I'm late by 20 mins
[18:20:30] <@kraom> pishaw
[18:20:31] <TehDalek> My main struggle with vividness is the more vivid it gets, the harder it is for me to do things such as flying and telekinesis. So I want to have vivid dreams, but I kinda don't because it harms my control
[18:20:33] <%Lucidis> silly laberge
[18:20:35] <@Alucinor^XIII> Yeah. I mostly use RC's as a way to double check and make sure I am dreaming
[18:20:37] <Tiernan> Got disctracted by meditation
[18:20:37] <+realdealmagic> If the dream is lucid, then it is clear that it is a dream
[18:20:40] <+realdealmagic> So you know it's a dream.
[18:20:41] <&OpheliaBlue> a clear mind is awareness, I get ya Lucidis
[18:20:44] <+realdealmagic> Because logic.
[18:20:50] <@Alucinor^XIII> But the fact that a reality check prooves that you are surely dreaming
[18:20:54] <@Alucinor^XIII> also increses vividness and reality
[18:20:59] <@Alucinor^XIII> because it really hits you
[18:20:59] <Xyvoch> Where can we read the dva chat times?
[18:21:17] <+realdealmagic> http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-clas...imes-logs.html
[18:21:39] <&OpheliaBlue> reality checks can be used to anchor a lucid dream as well. Once you are already lucid, if you feel it slipping a bit, just start paying attention to senses like Alucinor^XIII said, and perform some RCs
[18:21:49] <Tiernan> can I just ask is there a set time how long this class lasts or does it end whenver?
[18:21:59] <@kraom> an hour
[18:22:04] <Tiernan> thanks
[18:22:06] <&OpheliaBlue> it's liquid Tiernan, but this one will probably be an hour
[18:22:10] <@Alucinor^XIII> But it continues sometimes
[18:22:12] <@Alucinor^XIII>
[18:22:18] <@Chimpertainment> cuz we like to party
[18:22:19] <TehDalek> And I'm recording it all >
[18:22:20] <&OpheliaBlue> and usually a discussion after
[18:22:26] <+realdealmagic> we
[18:22:27] <+realdealmagic> like
[18:22:28] <+realdealmagic> to
[18:22:28] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah, after class party
[18:22:30] <Exotiraan> Chimpertainment: In my opinion, I think is more of an expectations thing. People always repeat in tutorials that you have to stabalize, have to stabalize, have to stabalize. Then, when you realize you're dreaming, you think, "Oh, no, I have to stabalize," and, when you don't it breaks and when you do, it doesn't, because that's what you expect.
[18:22:30] <+realdealmagic> party
[18:22:31] <+realdealmagic> we like
[18:22:34] <+realdealmagic> we like to party
[18:22:36] <&OpheliaBlue> though we're not supposed to!
[18:22:36] <@Alucinor^XIII> So, what are some of you guy's dream signs?
[18:22:38] <Tiernan> ah ok Had a false awakening last night
[18:22:40] <&OpheliaBlue> but we do anyway
[18:22:48] <TehDalek> Alucinor^XIII: Strangeness
[18:22:48] <+realdealmagic> Well I've noticed recently that driving is a dream sign of mine.
[18:22:50] <TehDalek> Lul
[18:22:58] <&OpheliaBlue> My most evil dream sign is tornados. Sometimes get lucid there, sometimes not.
[18:23:03] <@kraom> Exotiraan: ive read like that exact sentence in a post by billybob
[18:23:04] <%Lucidis> i have many dream signs but the most recent one i've noticed is snow
[18:23:10] <+realdealmagic> Whether I be in the car, or driving the car. More specifically my dad's BMW.
[18:23:12] <TehDalek> Tornadoes caused my third lucid
[18:23:16] <Tiernan> mine's sex all the time.
[18:23:31] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: indeed..i agree with that...but my expectations are not where they should be..i dont have that natural stability yet...so i have to build it through the stabilizing techniques
[18:23:34] <&OpheliaBlue> A better dream sign is fighting with my mom, since we NEVER do in real life. I get lucid alot when I'm dreaming that I'm fighting with my mom. Usually really nonsense fights.
[18:23:34] <%Lucidis> all of my recurring dream characters are dream signs
[18:23:34] kraom has no dream signs
[18:23:46] <%Lucidis> dragons are also a dream sign
[18:23:54] <@Alucinor^XIII> Yeah. I dont have any specific dreamsigns
[18:24:03] <@Alucinor^XIII> Usually any thing related to my hometown
[18:24:09] <@kraom> i mean except for the fact that nearly all my female DCs are blonde..
[18:24:09] <%Lucidis> people trying to murder me is a dream sign
[18:24:09] <@Alucinor^XIII> or old friends
[18:24:11] <&OpheliaBlue> I admit that I become lucid from dreamsigns maybe 5% of the time.
[18:24:19] <&OpheliaBlue> and those are just the DILDs
[18:24:20] <TehDalek> My most common dream character is my brother ;_; I see him every day..
[18:24:22] <%Lucidis> kraom: reality check when you see blond women
[18:24:28] <@kraom> mhmm seems like it
[18:24:34] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: i get that i could expect everything to be stable, but thats not my problem...my problem is running around without stopping to think...and the stabilizing methods help me with that
[18:25:06] <@Alucinor^XIII> Aye.
[18:25:19] <@Alucinor^XIII> Presence of Mind alone really helps
[18:25:29] <@Alucinor^XIII> Which is why All Day Awareness is really good
[18:25:32] <Tiernan> My dream sign was literally EVERYWHERE in my dream last night but I didn't get lucid
[18:25:42] <&OpheliaBlue> haha sex everywhere? \
[18:25:46] <@Alucinor^XIII> Just like in real life, you can get carried away
[18:25:49] <Tiernan> yes, I even saw a nude music video
[18:25:55] <@Alucinor^XIII> and lose track of whats really going on around
[18:26:04] <@Alucinor^XIII> If you make a habit of being present for waking life
[18:26:09] <&OpheliaBlue> dream signs can be really misleading, especially if they're too realistic in the dream
[18:26:09] <@Alucinor^XIII> it carries over to the dreamworld
[18:26:18] <&OpheliaBlue> that's way you gotta get that awareness up
[18:26:23] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, ive been doing hourly RCs and that has really helped as well
[18:26:41] <Tiernan> I started ADA, 5 minute periods of noticing everything
[18:26:42] <Exotiraan> Chimpertainment: I do believe in the "using your senses" part, but I just conflagrate that with "focus" and "awareness." If I am at the start of a dream, and it feels more like "really loud thinking," then I just pay more attention to it until it becomes a thing.
[18:27:09] <@kraom> hmm i think the only really reason i have lucid dreams is because i wake up so frequently and then go back to sleep with my lucid dreaming mindset
[18:27:33] <@kraom> because i uhh dont really RC or ADA or anything
[18:27:34] <@kraom> hehe
[18:27:46] <Tiernan> lucky kraom
[18:27:46] <Exotiraan> Or I'll start pretending to interact with the environment until I'm not pretending, anymore.
[18:28:05] <Xyvoch> i go sleep guys, I'll come back in a few days/weeks/month in case I have a question or ld
[18:28:16] <Tiernan> bye
[18:28:21] <Xyvoch> bye
[18:28:25] <@kraom> ok bye Xyvoch
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[18:29:00] <TehDalek> I don't remember my wakeups in teh night ;_;
[18:29:11] <&OpheliaBlue> kraom: I agree. You can use that time in a WBTB to really gear up your mindfor lucidity. I think 5 minutes of awareness practice during a WBTB is as effective as practicing awareness all day long
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[18:29:42] <TehDalek> Hai hukif
[18:29:50] <@kraom> oh hi theere
[18:29:56] <%Lucidis> hello Hukif
[18:30:09] <Tiernan> I meditated for 10 minutes there with the mantra "I will notice waking up after each dream" and used a lucid dream binaural beat, think I'm good?
[18:30:09] <@Alucinor^XIII> Heya huki
[18:30:13] <Tiernan> and hey
[18:30:13] <+Hukif> Hai! just to be sure... how late am I?
[18:30:19] <TehDalek> 30 min
[18:30:21] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Hukif !
[18:30:22] <@kraom> mmm yep so now i have my multiple lucid dreams, BUT i need to work on the clarity of them
[18:30:24] <@kraom> :/
[18:30:25] <+Hukif> lol wonderful
[18:30:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> 30 minuters and 3 days
[18:30:39] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah my clarity is kinda off sometimes.. maybe try alu's OM thing
[18:30:55] <@kraom> mmm yeah maybe
[18:31:00] <+Hukif> Thats why I just stabilize using a RC.
[18:31:02] <@Alucinor^XIII> I think the om thing mainly works because of how deep it was
[18:31:03] <@Chimpertainment> i used singing to levitate in a lucid
[18:31:11] <@kraom> i also have this problem where if i close my eyes i cant re open them
[18:31:11] <@Alucinor^XIII> It was like I hit a resonate frequency
[18:31:12] <&OpheliaBlue> haha really??
[18:31:12] <@Chimpertainment> im gonnat try that to stabilize too
[18:31:15] <&OpheliaBlue> that's awesome Chimpertainment
[18:31:20] <@Alucinor^XIII> and I felt a really intense vibration through EVERYTHING
[18:31:28] <&OpheliaBlue> ya'll are engaging sound and feeling in the lucid dream with your voices
[18:31:29] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, as the notes got higher, i began to float, it was coo
[18:31:41] <+Hukif> Oh nice.
[18:31:43] <&OpheliaBlue> really cool
[18:32:00] <Exotiraan> I need to keep going to bed early. The two days that I got to go to bed before zero-hour, I had awesome dream recall and control.
[18:32:13] <Tiernan> thats nice
[18:32:35] <Exotiraan> The last two days, I've been busy and haven't gotten sleep until 0900 the next day and forget everything.
[18:32:36] <+realdealmagic> Bloody hell, half an hour already.
[18:32:50] <@Alucinor^XIII> Time flies when you're havin fun
[18:32:50] <@Alucinor^XIII> :F
[18:33:00] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah!
[18:33:08] <+realdealmagic> haha
[18:33:15] <+Hukif> Mhm. My horrible, horrible luck <.<
[18:33:37] <&OpheliaBlue> say again?
[18:33:37] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm interested to see how my new job affects my dreams
[18:33:40] <Exotiraan> Then I wake up at 1700 or something and expect that I'm going to have a normal bedtime that night after work–nope!
[18:33:46] <+realdealmagic> I had practically 0 recall last night because I had to be up early to go get my new dog, and didn't go to bed late because of these classes
[18:33:47] <@Alucinor^XIII> BEing in the same place all day everyday
[18:33:51] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah I was gonna say Alucinor^XIII... you'll be sleeping in the day huh
[18:33:52] <@Alucinor^XIII> its sure to show up in my dreams a lot
[18:33:53] <@Alucinor^XIII> a really
[18:33:55] <+Hukif> Power outage, so when I came by, the class was ending lol
[18:34:03] <@Alucinor^XIII> OpheliaBlue: Yeah
[18:34:15] <@Alucinor^XIII> Thinking of going to sleep when I get off work at 5am for 6 hours
[18:34:21] <@Alucinor^XIII> waking up and fixing food and stuff for the day
[18:34:29] <@Alucinor^XIII> going back to bed for 2-3 more
[18:34:42] <&OpheliaBlue> oh like a prolonged WBTB
[18:34:45] <Exotiraan> Alucinor^XIII: Multiphasic sleep?
[18:34:52] <@Alucinor^XIII> Pretty much biphasic
[18:34:53] <@Alucinor^XIII> Yeah
[18:35:00] <&OpheliaBlue> who knows, that may end up being serious fodder for lucids
[18:35:07] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm really, really gonna be motivated to LD now lol
[18:35:15] <@Alucinor^XIII> I only have 3 hours free time a day
[18:35:20] <@Alucinor^XIII> if I'm gonna be spending 8 hours sleeping
[18:35:23] <@Alucinor^XIII> I better be conscious dammit
[18:35:27] <@Alucinor^XIII> I need some recreational time
[18:35:27] <+realdealmagic> Hehe
[18:35:27] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: I had good results when that back when I was sleeping in two- and three parts.
[18:35:38] <&OpheliaBlue> so you'll be working 12 hours over night, 6 days a week, one day off Alucinor^XIII?
[18:35:46] <Exotiraan> Even though my sleep and wake times were all over the place.
[18:35:51] <@Alucinor^XIII> OpheliaBlue: 7 days a week starting off :S
[18:35:52] <+Hukif> Recreational, free and crazy time.
[18:35:54] <@Alucinor^XIII> once I get "broken in"
[18:35:58] <@Alucinor^XIII> I get time off here and there
[18:36:05] <&OpheliaBlue> I believe it Exotiraan. When I was on vacation, I woke up alot in the hotel bed and i had lucids
[18:36:06] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm gonna be making mad money from overtime
[18:36:10] <Tiernan> was that the job you talked about last night?
[18:36:13] <@Alucinor^XIII> Aye.
[18:36:18] <&OpheliaBlue> dang Alu
[18:36:21] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm curious what it'll do for my dreams
[18:36:23] <Tiernan> damn that must suck. bluntly.
[18:36:35] <@Alucinor^XIII> Its not bad actually
[18:36:36] <Exotiraan> I hope it doesn't make you dream about work all the time. :<
[18:36:37] <@Chimpertainment> youll probly sleep more deeply
[18:36:39] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'll be there for 12 hours, yeah
[18:36:42] <@Alucinor^XIII> but only working maybe 9-10
[18:36:48] <@Alucinor^XIII> Lots of downtiume on a nightshift like that
[18:36:48] <Demonbot> Alucinor^XIII: Enough, already.
[18:36:48] <+realdealmagic> Alucinor^XIII: What's the work?
[18:36:55] Alucinor^XIII kicks himself on topic
[18:37:02] <+realdealmagic> Come on <_<
[18:37:03] <&OpheliaBlue> oh I remember talking about this earlier.. just do this job for like 5 years, save up a ton of cash, then do something normal
[18:37:11] <@Alucinor^XIII> Hell yes ophie
[18:37:17] <&OpheliaBlue> oh yeah, the topics
[18:37:33] <+Hukif> "instructs people to RC nao"
[18:37:36] <@Alucinor^XIII> I did the math. I can easily put in 500 a month.
[18:37:41] <&OpheliaBlue> So, stabilization. The eveil red-headed step child of lucidity. No offense realdealmagic
[18:37:41] <@Alucinor^XIII> So....over 5 years, thats a lot of money
[18:37:45] <@Alucinor^XIII> BACK TO DREAMING
[18:37:54] <@Alucinor^XIII> Stablization is really cool
[18:37:55] <+realdealmagic> No, no, that's fine. Just hurt my feelings, it's not like I matter.
[18:37:57] <@Alucinor^XIII> Also
[18:38:00] <&OpheliaBlue>
[18:38:00] <+realdealmagic> Texan bitch. <_<
[18:38:02] <+realdealmagic> <3
[18:38:03] <@Alucinor^XIII> Does dream spinning really work for anyone?
[18:38:03] <+realdealmagic>
[18:38:08] <@Alucinor^XIII> it fails horribly for me 90% of the time
[18:38:12] <TehDalek> hasn't worked for me
[18:38:13] <TehDalek> :/
[18:38:13] <&OpheliaBlue> Kilt-wearing wind bag
[18:38:14] <@kraom> i tried it once alu
[18:38:17] <@kraom> never again.
[18:38:22] <@Alucinor^XIII> The ONE time I got it to work
[18:38:24] <+realdealmagic> I have worn a kilt maybe 3 times in my life
[18:38:28] <@Alucinor^XIII> I focused on the bridge of my nose while I spun
[18:38:30] <&OpheliaBlue> spinning and I do not get along
[18:38:31] <TehDalek> I once tried dream spinning to teleport, failed. Then the fall back, failed
[18:38:32] <@Alucinor^XIII> so there was a steady image
[18:38:36] <TehDalek> I hurt my head -_-
[18:38:37] <Exotiraan> Nope. In my beginning days, when I still belived in the stabalization-stuff, I tried that.
[18:38:38] <@Alucinor^XIII> I think that may be the trick
[18:38:41] <@Chimpertainment> i used to use spinning when i was a kid to change scenes
[18:38:43] <&OpheliaBlue> I need my sight in LDs to be as constant as possible sadly
[18:38:46] <@Chimpertainment> spinnnnnnnnnn
[18:38:55] <+Hukif> Spin worked for making me dream-dizzy?
[18:38:55] <@Chimpertainment> whirling dervish
[18:38:59] <+realdealmagic> Stabilization is a scam created by people who wanted to make LD seem even harder than it is.
[18:39:01] <@kraom> me too ophelia
[18:39:03] <@kraom> if i close my eyes
[18:39:10] <&OpheliaBlue> I tend to agree with realdealmagic
[18:39:10] <+realdealmagic> *conspiracy*
[18:39:10] <@kraom> when i open them i go into a FA
[18:39:13] <@Alucinor^XIII> Lol
[18:39:15] <TehDalek> roflm I agree realdealmagic
[18:39:16] <Exotiraan> All it did was kill my dream and make me wake up, at worst, or change dreams, at best.
[18:39:18] <@Alucinor^XIII> Stabilization is neccesary
[18:39:21] <@Alucinor^XIII> isn't*
[18:39:21] <@Chimpertainment> or some people just do it naturally
[18:39:22] <&OpheliaBlue> at least, we create to much of a NEED to stabilize
[18:39:22] <@Alucinor^XIII> sorry
[18:39:29] <@Alucinor^XIII> The only time you really NEED tos tabalize
[18:39:29] <+realdealmagic> Yeah
[18:39:33] <+realdealmagic> All we have to be
[18:39:34] <@Alucinor^XIII> is if its already hazy
[18:39:36] <+realdealmagic> Is be aware that we're aware
[18:39:37] <@Alucinor^XIII> or broken up
[18:39:42] <+realdealmagic> And be aware of the things we're meant to be aware of
[18:39:46] <+realdealmagic> And done, no stabilization needed
[18:39:46] <@Alucinor^XIII> If the dream is already good, then just maintain awareness and carry on
[18:39:51] <Tiernan> oh I'm learning
[18:39:51] <+realdealmagic> Vivid dreams all round
[18:39:57] <&OpheliaBlue> agreed.. I find even just focusign on goals, and not focusing on the broken things in the lucid, makes it all better
[18:40:05] <+realdealmagic> Tiernan: People tend to do that in my presence
[18:40:05] <TehDalek> My dreams sometimes break up or get hazy after 20-30 minutes, but that's just the dream running it's course
[18:40:06] <@kraom> i once thought to myself in a dream, why stabilize this dream shouldnt just end, then it proceed to fade away.
[18:40:07] <@Chimpertainment> stabilizing is like mindfulness...anchoring yourself to the dream provides a much higher quality experience
[18:40:18] <Exotiraan> The only "stabaliation" you need is to interact with stuff. That will make a not-so-vivid dream pop out in no time.
[18:40:24] <+realdealmagic> kraom: That'd be a subconscious expectation.
[18:40:32] <+realdealmagic> More than likely
[18:40:38] <&OpheliaBlue> engage your senses, pay attention to things in the lucid so that they exist better
[18:40:48] <&OpheliaBlue> ignore the "issues"
[18:41:05] <+realdealmagic> Or just do your own thing. Disjointing from the story of the dream will help you maintain lucidity anyway.
[18:41:05] <&OpheliaBlue> issues in a lucid are just your subC's way of trying to mess you up and wake you up
[18:41:14] <&OpheliaBlue> yes, realdealmagic
[18:41:15] <@kraom> ive been gettin better though, having much longer LDs than i used to
[18:41:22] <@kraom> and i dont really stabilize per say
[18:41:22] <&OpheliaBlue> DCs and dream stories can suck you in
[18:41:26] <&OpheliaBlue> not i na good way
[18:41:29] <+realdealmagic> Ha.
[18:41:30] <+realdealmagic> Hahaha.
[18:41:33] <+realdealmagic> Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
[18:41:38] <&OpheliaBlue> easy Scotty
[18:41:49] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, if you wanna go to that next level, stabilizing helps, imo
[18:41:52] <+Hukif> It is starting to sound like I am the only one who stabilizes...
[18:42:09] <&OpheliaBlue> Well, I'll say that's it's a personal thing.
[18:42:09] <@Chimpertainment> of course for me, i need it just to keep on track
[18:42:16] <+realdealmagic> Hukif: I haven't had an LD from this point and backwards, so I can't even say.
[18:42:20] <+realdealmagic> I just don't expect to need to.
[18:42:23] <+realdealmagic> (which is all part of my master plan)
[18:42:34] <&OpheliaBlue> It's like, alot of folks have issues right off the bat with LDing because they say "OH I forgot to stabilize" and they cock block themselves
[18:42:42] <+Hukif> Hmm, planning like a true master of evil.
[18:42:57] <+realdealmagic> :s/evil/lucidity
[18:42:57] <Demonbot> <Hukif> Hmm, planning like a true master of lucidity.
[18:43:22] <+Hukif> Isn't it the same?
[18:43:23] <@Alucinor^XIII> Slightly off the designated topic, but I wanna aska nyway
[18:43:24] <@Chimpertainment> thing is for me, i havent been doing any stabilizing since i began...just been thinking about it since last week...my lucids are too short and i dont stop to think about what i want to do...so my goals are passed over
[18:43:29] <&OpheliaBlue> But when I tell students to focus on their goals in the lucid, and not the stabilization issues that need to be resolved before continuing, they end up automatically stabilizing.
[18:43:31] <&OpheliaBlue> If that makes sense
[18:43:33] <@Alucinor^XIII> what luck have any of you had with Dream Incubation?
[18:43:45] <@kraom> one time alu.
[18:43:46] <TehDalek> I was successful recently..in a way
[18:43:53] <+realdealmagic> Alucinor^XIII: If paige were here, she would be able to help you in this.
[18:43:56] <Tiernan> ah I have a friend who uses only dream incubation
[18:44:03] <Tiernan> and she has lucids
[18:44:03] <+Hukif> Incubation? Nevur.
[18:44:04] <TehDalek> I needed to see my DGs. I became lucid and was directed to see them..They were posers
[18:44:09] <+realdealmagic> http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...eam-signs.html
[18:44:10] <&OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: do you still become lucid in nightmares? Or other ways as well?
[18:44:59] <@Chimpertainment> OpheliaBlue: yeah, most of my real nightmares are in my deep sleep cycle where i usually never become lucid...my lucidity always happens now when its a non nightmare dream
[18:45:28] <&OpheliaBlue> oh that's good
[18:45:43] <@Chimpertainment> unless you count a nuclear bomb going off as a nightmare, it didnt feel like it tho, but it let me know i was dreaming
[18:45:55] <@Alucinor^XIII> I spent 2 weeks planning out a dream world, and spending 20 minutes meditating/visualizing the world
[18:45:56] <&OpheliaBlue> I have a coworker who onlybecomes lucid just to wake up from nightmares. Not a bad thing, I have just been tryign to encourage her to change the dream rather than just wake up
[18:46:02] <TehDalek> I rarely have nightmares..I was in a creepy cave this morning, but I was never like deathly afraid of it or anything
[18:46:03] <@Alucinor^XIII> and keeping pena nd paper and think of ideas for the dream world
[18:46:10] <@Alucinor^XIII> and I STILL haven't seen a thing from it
[18:46:12] <&OpheliaBlue> Nightmares can = dreamsigns by the way
[18:46:15] <&OpheliaBlue> the recurring ones
[18:46:26] <@kraom> maybe you should try and go there instead alu like teleport
[18:46:27] <@Chimpertainment> lately ive actually been staying in my nightmares..
[18:46:41] <+realdealmagic> I sometimes wish I got nightmares when I was young or now to initiate the whole "Well, better learn to get outta THAT one."
[18:46:43] <@Alucinor^XIII> kraom: I've tried to find places from it
[18:46:44] <@Chimpertainment> most of the time i will wake up
[18:46:49] <@kraom> hmmm
[18:46:53] <@Alucinor^XIII> specifically a templet hat I was gonna make my "headquarters"
[18:46:54] <&OpheliaBlue> Tiernan: sorry, didn't mean to leave you out. Any questions about the topics? Or any other lucid basics?
[18:46:54] <+realdealmagic> Mostly because I'm lazy and want to LD every night all the time with minimal effort.
[18:46:58] <+realdealmagic> BUT the universe isn't that fun.
[18:46:59] <@Alucinor^XIII> Either the teleportation fizzles
[18:47:00] <@Alucinor^XIII> or
[18:47:02] <@Alucinor^XIII> nothing happens
[18:47:07] <@kraom> hmm
[18:47:12] <@Alucinor^XIII> DCs told me they destroyed the temple
[18:47:16] <@kraom> pfff
[18:47:17] <@Alucinor^XIII> Its weird
[18:47:19] <@Alucinor^XIII> lol
[18:47:22] <@Alucinor^XIII> But yeah
[18:47:25] <@kraom> i hate DCs right now
[18:47:26] <+Hukif> Your temple was ugly?
[18:47:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> DCs are dirty liars anyway
[18:47:28] <@kraom> such distractions
[18:47:33] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: It's just like all the brouhaha with sleep paralysis. And all of these guides telling people to focus/wait for sleep paralysis instead of focusing on the dream. You're often dreaming way before that sets in, anyway, so people end up overshooting.
[18:47:37] <&OpheliaBlue> haha they are dirty little shits
[18:47:38] <TehDalek> I like DCs, they are hilarious
[18:47:48] <Tiernan> OpheliaBlue: oh I was just reading a tutorial off the chat, no questions thanks. I'm gonna go to bed soon, but I'll stay about another 5/10 mins
[18:48:04] <@kraom> mine arent, one tried to seduce me the other morning, tch
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[18:48:24] <@kraom> i was even focusing on my goals at the time too!
[18:48:31] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: ya know, i did that this morning
[18:48:31] <&OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: agreed. There are alot of schemas that develop with lucidity, just like with real life. Hopefully we'll be dispelling them soon with some new forum reformatting that the staff and I are currently working on
[18:48:33] <TehDalek> I haven't experienced SP in years..Not everyone feels it during wilds
[18:48:40] <&OpheliaBlue> Tiernan: ok
[18:48:48] <&OpheliaBlue> we're here for you, just so ya know
[18:48:55] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: was waiting for SP, and i was going into a dream, but snapped out because i wasnt expecting it...glad you mentioned that
[18:49:16] <+realdealmagic> Guys. Give me a guaranteed plan of action for tonight when I'm heading to sleep that will get me lucid no matter what. Do it!
[18:49:25] <&OpheliaBlue> pfff
[18:49:25] <@Chimpertainment> slap yourself
[18:49:29] <@kraom> wake up
[18:49:31] <&OpheliaBlue> they don't got that drug yet realdealmagic
[18:49:34] <@Chimpertainment> with the hand of lucidity
[18:49:36] <+Hukif> Cut off your leg, when you can walk again its a dream.
[18:49:36] <TehDalek> Okay. You will have a lucid tonight, plan on what'll happen during it
[18:49:37] <@kraom> then go back to sleep thinking that youll LD
[18:49:39] <&OpheliaBlue> lol chimp
[18:49:39] <@kraom> FULL PROOF!
[18:49:41] <TehDalek> Enjoy RDM
[18:49:46] <+realdealmagic> Lucid within a dream, preferably.
[18:49:48] <+realdealmagic>
[18:49:49] <Tiernan> Was reading the dream incubation tutorial. Do you think a beginner should try this?
[18:49:55] <&OpheliaBlue> yes
[18:50:07] Chimpertainment declares: I DECLARE THAT I SHALL DREAM A LUCID DREAM...AMEN
[18:50:14] <&OpheliaBlue> you're just setting your mind up there
[18:50:28] <Tiernan> I guess. thanks OpheliaBlue
[18:50:30] <TehDalek> It is pretty much proven if you stick to it, dream incubation will work in a few days' time
[18:50:42] <TehDalek> Dedication and mindset are important
[18:50:59] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah it can take time, but it's all about getting your mind prepared for lucidity
[18:51:15] <&OpheliaBlue> keep up with dream journals too, and re-read them
[18:51:41] <Tiernan> the closest I've gotten is to vibrations and ringing in my ear with WILD. but I was too excited to go to sleep
[18:51:49] <&OpheliaBlue> oh bad ass!
[18:51:59] <+realdealmagic> Tiernan: That's great!
[18:52:02] <&OpheliaBlue> was this after waking upearly or something Tiernan?
[18:52:04] <Tiernan> LMAO what?
[18:52:17] <Tiernan> oh
[18:52:25] <Tiernan> It was an afternoon nap
[18:52:31] <+realdealmagic> No, really, that's really really good
[18:52:33] <+realdealmagic> You should keep trying it at that time then!
[18:52:35] <+realdealmagic> Definitely!
[18:52:44] <&OpheliaBlue> next time you feel that stage, all you have to do is realx and enjoy it.. pretend it's just a brain massage
[18:53:10] <&OpheliaBlue> try to feel and remember every step of the way, and eventually you can turn that into a lucid dream
[18:53:15] <+Hukif> Like a 3d movie, right before you jump at the scene and become part of it.
[18:53:27] <Tiernan> Yeah Let's hope next time I'll go bang into a lucid dream, even if I got like 3 seconds I'd be over the moon with myself
[18:53:41] <+realdealmagic> pff
[18:53:45] <+realdealmagic> you'll get longer than that
[18:54:01] <&OpheliaBlue> I do the same thing, and the "movie" is just usually my bedroom, so a FA can get me sometimes, but I use the vibrations frequently to get lucid
[18:54:03] <&OpheliaBlue> WILD basically
[18:54:07] <+Hukif> Like 30 mins.
[18:54:12] <+realdealmagic> I'mma lucid tonight, nothing to stop you from doing it in an afternoon nap
[18:54:36] <&OpheliaBlue> I'm excited for you Tiernan. Just repeat the process any way you can. Remember the "recipe"
[18:54:36] <Tiernan> Apart from when my brother is playing xbox ....
[18:55:00] <Tiernan> Thanks OpheliaBlue
[18:55:00] <+realdealmagic> ear plugs...
[18:55:09] <Tiernan> i don't have ear plugs
[18:55:12] <+realdealmagic> "I GOT SOUL BUT I'M NOT A SOLDIER"
[18:55:20] <@kraom> i hate ear plugs
[18:55:35] <+realdealmagic> me too
[18:55:38] <Tiernan> i tried isochornic tones to block the sound out, didnt't really help
[18:55:39] <+realdealmagic> But personal preference.
[18:55:42] <&OpheliaBlue> anytime Tiernan, I look forward to your progress
[18:56:17] <&OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: you can log in 5 min
[18:56:21] <+Hukif> No ear-plugs, ever tried to be aware of sounds?
[18:56:34] <+Hukif> So that when there is the annoying x-box sound it makes you lucid?
[18:56:43] <@kraom> i do that pretty frequently
[18:56:48] <&OpheliaBlue> the white noise from my fan helps me sleep, and often becomes part of my WILD transition Hukif
[18:57:00] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif *
[18:57:01] <Tiernan> Hukif: when I did this it was dead quiet and when I tried it again there was my brothers xbox noise, so I failed.
[18:57:11] <&OpheliaBlue> !brb
[18:57:12] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue|BRB
[18:57:15] <+Hukif> Ah I see.
[18:57:44] <Tiernan> tell me more about this sound focusing thing. do you have a tutorial?
[18:57:44] <+Hukif> WILD is always so different for everyone.
[18:57:58] <+Hukif> Eh, I just got the idea right now <.<
[18:58:09] <+realdealmagic> Basically focus on the white noise that is in the background and use it as an anchor.
[18:58:14] <TehDalek> WILD is typically right into a dream for me..I think I just lose awareness for about 10-20 minutes, but I still go right into a dream pretty much
[18:58:30] <Tiernan> oh right LOL I was focusing by switching to different senses, my touch, sight and the ringing in my ear
[18:58:32] <TehDalek> I never really experience SP or HH
[18:58:52] <@Chimpertainment> Tiernan: its like focusing on one conversation out of a bunch when standing in a crowd of people
[18:58:54] <@kraom> well guys i have to go
[18:58:58] <@Chimpertainment> or focusing on one instrument in a song
[18:59:00] <TehDalek> bye kraom
[18:59:03] <+Hukif> Cya kraom!
[18:59:04] <@kraom> bye
[18:59:08] <@Chimpertainment> laterz
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[18:59:32] <Tiernan> byw Kroam and I understand now Chimpertainment thanks
[18:59:43] <+Hukif> Wait, no HH? But HH is awesome!
[19:00:12] <+realdealmagic> I'm gonna go put my dogs in their beds
[19:00:19] <Tiernan> awww doggies
[19:00:19] <TehDalek> I'm glad I don't get weird sounds/images and stuffs, but I'm kinda curious about what I could make it into..Oh well
[19:00:22] <+realdealmagic> (which is hard because one's violent and we only just got the other today :L)
[19:00:39] <Tiernan> awwww puppy !!!
[19:00:57] <@Chimpertainment> i had gollum show up in an SP episode one time
[19:01:00] <TehDalek> Wow, it has been an hour alreadty?
[19:01:03] <TehDalek> already*
[19:01:04] <@Chimpertainment> he was all gollumish
[19:01:21] <+Hukif> Gollum... teh weird small human thingy?
[19:01:27] <TehDalek> Smeagle
[19:01:33] <Exotiraan> Did he dance for you in a thong?
[19:01:39] <+Hukif> lol
[19:01:41] <TehDalek> Corrupted smeagle*
[19:01:45] <Tiernan> If I saw that I'd frigging scream XD
[19:01:46] <@Chimpertainment> he was in my bed
[19:01:50] <@Chimpertainment> staring at me
[19:02:02] <@Chimpertainment> it was kinda weird
[19:02:14] <Tiernan> you didn't find it scary?
[19:02:15] <+Hukif> Yeah...
[19:02:27] <@Chimpertainment> at first...but i knew it was SP, so i calmed down and waited
[19:02:45] <@Chimpertainment> didnt get lucid tho, just went into a normal dream
[19:02:46] <+Hukif> I would have laughed my ass off at the sight, then be creeped.
[19:02:47] <@Chimpertainment> oh wellz
[19:02:53] Exotiraan read that as part of the thong-dance sentence and "wow"-s for a moment.
[19:03:07] <Tiernan> oh right, I could just imagine my feeling, LOL my eyes would widen and I'd spasm (been there before LOL) XD
[19:03:17] <TehDalek> How do you see things in your bed if your eyes are closed? :/
[19:03:22] <Exotiraan> That would be an interesting sight.
[19:03:30] <+Hukif> You open your eyes for the awesome visuals, ofc.
[19:03:48] <@Chimpertainment> well, a lot of my WILDs start in my room
[19:03:57] <@Chimpertainment> and so when i went into SP, i was in bed
[19:04:04] <@Chimpertainment> but i wasnt actually awake
[19:04:06] <Tiernan> I like "Wild" tiems in my bed too
[19:04:15] <TehDalek> So..you were wasting your LD looking at golem?
[19:04:15] <TehDalek> :/
[19:04:32] <@Chimpertainment> naw, it was an SP hallucination...coulda been a lucid, but it didnt pan out
[19:04:41] <@Chimpertainment> i dont ever call my experiences a waste
[19:04:46] <@Chimpertainment> it was cool
[19:05:25] <Tiernan> love you guys but I gotta go incubate a dream and say a mantra :
[19:05:30] <@Chimpertainment> do it
[19:05:32] <@Chimpertainment> do it good
[19:05:35] <&OpheliaBlue|BRB> night Tiernan, thanks for joining
[19:05:44] <+Hukif> Good luck and have fun tiernan!
[19:05:48] <TehDalek> do it, do it real good ?
[19:06:03] <Tiernan> LMAO thanks guys
[19:06:07] <TehDalek> :3
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[19:06:42] <TehDalek> I love this chatroom..Even if I'm not enrolled, there is still a good LD discussion for an hour a week :')
[19:07:09] <+Hukif> How many people here are part of the class, actually?
[19:07:47] <@Chimpertainment> probly half the names i see
[19:07:54] <TehDalek> Raise yo hands! >:/
[19:08:12] <&OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
[19:08:13] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[19:08:19] <&OpheliaBlue> I was until 8 min ago
[19:08:21] <+Hukif> Don't count the teachers, ofc.
[19:08:34] <Exotiraan> !dvalog Alucinor^XIII: BEGIIIIII
[19:08:41] <+realdealmagic> n
[19:08:42] <Exotiraan> !dvalog Alucinor^XIII: BEGIIIII
[19:08:45] <Demonbot> Posting to Twitter: http://sprunge.us/ZQFP - DVA Session - Done. http://twitter.com/dreamviews_dva
[19:08:53] <&OpheliaBlue> thanks Exotiraan <3
[19:09:24] Exotiraan can never seem to keep up with the rest of the class.
[19:09:39] <Exotiraan> By the time I get a sentence out, the topic's changed about five times.
[19:10:01] <+realdealmagic> Ye3ah
[19:10:05] <+realdealmagic> Gotta keep on toppa dat shit
[19:10:14] <+realdealmagic> Okay, I'm gonna head to bed and get my ludic in
[19:10:16] <+realdealmagic> Because I can
[19:10:17] <+realdealmagic>
[19:10:19] <+realdealmagic> G'night all!
[19:10:39] <TehDalek> night
[19:10:46] <TehDalek> 'tis simple DVA 4/13/13 - Pastebin.com
[19:10:47] <+Hukif> Yes, get lucid or be doomed!
[19:10:48] <Demonbot> Title: DVA 4/13/13 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
[19:11:03] <&OpheliaBlue> ok gonna go log the class in DVA
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[19:11:27] <&OpheliaBlue> thanks for coming guys, and a round of applause for the host of tonight's topics, Alucinor^XIII
[19:11:39] TehDalek heavy applause
[19:11:53] <@Chimpertainment> yay
[19:11:59] <@Alucinor^XIII>
[19:12:06] <@Alucinor^XIII> Hope everyone had fun
[19:12:13] <@Alucinor^XIII> And maybe learned something

Here is the chat log for DVA Chat Sunday 6-23-2013

good times!

Thanks for coming everybody! I am hoping to make DVA chat a regular occurrence so be looking for more chat times in the future!

Spoiler for DVA Chat Log:

[11:58:49] <@Chimpertainment> !topic cheese crackers
[11:58:49] <Demonbot> Chimpertainment: topic [<channel>]
[11:59:21] <+Pennyroyal> Aw yea
[11:59:25] <@Chimpertainment> I dont know how to change topic so ill just write itin
[11:59:55] <+Pennyroyal> xD
[12:00:30] <@Chimpertainment> mmmk
[12:00:38] <@Chimpertainment> So first topic of the day will be::::::
[12:00:52] <+Pennyroyal> cheese crackers?
[12:00:56] <PostScript99> lol
[12:01:03] <@Chimpertainment> lol
[12:01:07] <+Pennyroyal>
[12:01:09] <@Chimpertainment> yes, that was the appetizer
[12:01:12] <+Pennyroyal> hahaha
[12:01:29] <@Chimpertainment> well lets just begin with your topic suggestion Pennyroyal
[12:01:32] <@Chimpertainment> (interested to read about how other's fall asleep more easily. I'll try to be there live if I'm home)
[12:01:44] <@Chimpertainment> falling asleep more easily
[12:01:45] <+Pennyroyal> Right on
[12:02:00] <PostScript99> ok
[12:02:03] <@Chimpertainment> !ping everyone
[12:02:03] <Demonbot> pong
[12:02:16] <%Lucidis>
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[12:02:22] <+Pennyroyal> Pingpong
[12:02:42] <@Chimpertainment> so, have you been having issues falling asleep Pennyroyal, or its just something you want more info on?
[12:03:30] <+Pennyroyal> Just more info really, I've been practicing Lucid dreaming for 5-6 months now. Before, I would fall asleep without even remembering my head hitting the pillow
[12:03:42] <+Pennyroyal> now it's not difficult, but it seems to take me a bit of time to fall asleep
[12:03:51] <@Chimpertainment> ahh, okie dokie
[12:04:01] <PostScript99> i have insomnia
[12:04:02] <+Pennyroyal> I've also been playing with WILD recently, I find I have difficulty falling asleep during those attempts.
[12:04:11] <PostScript99> so thats really a problem with me.
[12:04:18] <+Pennyroyal> ^
[12:04:19] <+Pennyroyal> There ya go
[12:04:20] <@Chimpertainment> this ties in with the other suggested topics as well::::how to fall asleep faster/tips and tricks---and pre/post sleep practices...
[12:04:28] <+Pennyroyal> Cool
[12:04:44] <noeul55> I need motivation for LD. I want to LD in the day but when night comes
[12:04:48] <noeul55> Im like: Next nixt
[12:04:49] <noeul55> :/
[12:04:50] <noeul55> night*
[12:04:58] <PostScript99> napping
[12:05:08] <noeul55> I cant have a LD while nap
[12:05:10] <PostScript99> unless you cant nap like me
[12:05:10] <noeul55> :/
[12:05:18] <PostScript99> then you lucid daydream
[12:05:22] <noeul55> Wut is that
[12:05:42] <@Chimpertainment> so what does everybody usually do before going to sleep? anything like reading dream journals, mantras, that kind of thing?
[12:05:44] <%Lucidis> maybe try a mantra during the day that will motivate you to do it during the night
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[12:05:55] <%Lucidis> hello Hathor28
[12:05:57] <Hathor28> okay
[12:05:59] <Hathor28> so
[12:06:07] <PostScript99> There's a thread on general lucid discussion that talks about lucid day dreaming
[12:06:16] <+Pennyroyal> I usually do my DJ stuff before bed. Ill start an entry for the following morning, write how far along in my goals for the month i am etc.
[12:06:21] <Hathor28> lucid what?
[12:06:25] <PostScript99> daydreaming
[12:06:28] <%Lucidis> daydreaming hathor
[12:06:30] <Hathor28> ik
[12:06:38] <%Lucidis> then why did you ask
[12:06:46] <Hathor28> daydreaming in dreams?
[12:06:46] <PostScript99> I read my DJ and play video games before bed
[12:06:53] <@Chimpertainment> mmk
[12:06:54] <PostScript99> no ldd is way different
[12:07:00] <@Chimpertainment> cool beans
[12:07:17] <Hathor28> how different
[12:07:20] <PostScript99> its more of controlled hallucinations through daydreams
[12:07:25] <%Lucidis> lucid daydreaming = daydreaming with awareness
[12:07:31] <+Pennyroyal> o.O
[12:07:38] <+Pennyroyal> A little off topic are we?
[12:07:42] <@Chimpertainment> One basic thing that can help pre-sleep anything is to create a mental boundary between your day and your sleep...
[12:07:42] <PostScript99> a little
[12:07:49] <%Lucidis> the topic is unknown
[12:07:56] <Hathor28> does meditation help?
[12:07:58] <@Chimpertainment> its all good, everything ties in
[12:08:02] <%Lucidis> Hathor28: yes
[12:08:08] <@Chimpertainment> The topic is
[12:08:15] <Hathor28> ok then i might be doing it ldd
[12:08:19] <noeul55> lucid daydreaming = daydreaming with awareness
[12:08:22] <noeul55> Wut is that
[12:08:23] <noeul55> :/
[12:08:24] <@Chimpertainment> pre/post sleep practices...falling asleep better/faster
[12:08:27] <+Pennyroyal> ^
[12:08:53] <noeul55> I sleep fast when
[12:08:54] <%Lucidis> noeul55: i don't know how to explain it any further
[12:08:55] <@Chimpertainment> we can talk about lucid daydreaming as well...but lets leave it be for a moment
[12:08:58] <noeul55> I think about something I like.
[12:09:03] <%Lucidis> it's two words
[12:09:07] <%Lucidis> lucid daydream
[12:09:09] <%Lucidis>
[12:09:18] <@Chimpertainment> so give me some ideas...
[12:09:29] <@Chimpertainment> how could somebody create a mental boundary when they go to sleep
[12:09:33] <Hathor28> i think ldd leads to dreaming when in a sleep state
[12:09:41] <@Chimpertainment> a way to tell the mind its time to sleep, and dream
[12:10:00] <@Chimpertainment> we have reading dream journals
[12:10:05] drunkanieb [[email protected]] has changed topic to "pre/post sleep practices and falling asleep faster/better"
[12:10:06] <@Chimpertainment> playing video games
[12:10:08] <%Lucidis> mantras
[12:10:10] <%Lucidis> hypnosis
[12:10:15] <@Chimpertainment> thnx drunkanieb
[12:10:18] <@drunkanieb>
[12:10:21] <%Lucidis> not staring at a screen for an hour before bed
[12:10:31] <Hathor28> meditation makes you sleep fast
[12:11:13] <@Chimpertainment> so there is one thing that might be effecting your sleep PostScript99...video games do help dream awareness, but at the same time the brightness of the screen can be a hinderance as well
[12:11:41] <@Chimpertainment> my personal falling asleep practice is relaxation
[12:12:00] <@Chimpertainment> if i really cant sleep, i flex every muscle in my body individually as hard as possible
[12:12:05] <+Pennyroyal> What do you do to relax?
[12:12:11] <+Pennyroyal> lol
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[12:12:14] <+Pennyroyal> too slow
[12:12:18] <@Chimpertainment> then i focus on relaxing each muscle as well
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[12:12:30] <Hathor28> hello
[12:12:31] <@Chimpertainment> then switch to my preferred sleeping position
[12:12:48] <@Chimpertainment> another thing i have used
[12:12:51] <@Chimpertainment> is white noise
[12:12:52] <+Pennyroyal> You do your relaxation exercises on your back, I'm assuming?
[12:12:52] <@Chimpertainment> music
[12:12:57] <@Chimpertainment> yeah
[12:13:04] <Hathor28> relaxing music
[12:13:27] <@Chimpertainment> yes, although depending on the person death metal could work too
[12:13:29] <Hathor28> like spa music
[12:13:33] <+Pennyroyal>
[12:14:02] <@Chimpertainment> well what else can put somebody into that relaxed state for sleep?
[12:14:05] <@Chimpertainment> ive heard tea works
[12:14:12] <@drunkanieb> milk
[12:14:22] <Hathor28> na i need like asian spa ,music
[12:14:37] <+Pennyroyal> Sometimes a hot shower before bed helps me sleep lol
[12:14:51] <@Chimpertainment> cool cool
[12:15:03] <@Chimpertainment> what abut a hot towel on the face?
[12:15:13] <@Chimpertainment> not so time consuming and easy to use in bed
[12:15:22] <+Pennyroyal> Hmm, hadn't thought about that
[12:15:32] <@Chimpertainment> just throwin things out there
[12:15:40] <+Pennyroyal> For me, the shower just gets all my muscles relaxed, and i find it easy to drift. Not so much the temperature
[12:15:49] <@Chimpertainment> ah ok
[12:15:56] <%Lucidis> maybe start practicing yoga
[12:16:01] <%Lucidis> somehow i feel like that would help
[12:16:11] <+Pennyroyal> Yoga is actually fantastic for relaxation
[12:16:13] <@Chimpertainment> yea
[12:16:13] <+Pennyroyal> at least for me.
[12:16:24] <@drunkanieb> Chimpertainment
[12:16:25] <@Chimpertainment> so i think we are honing in on something here, and that is muscle relaxation
[12:16:29] <@Chimpertainment> yes drunkanieb
[12:16:34] <+Pennyroyal> It was a part of a weekly exercise program I was doing. I didn't like it at first -- but i felt SO relaxed after. It became my favorite
[12:16:51] <@drunkanieb> I'm going afk for a bit but you can type /topic and your words to change the topic
[12:17:01] <@Chimpertainment> sweet, thnx!
[12:17:12] cheese: No such nick/channel
[12:17:22] dva: No such nick/channel
[12:17:34] Chimpertainment [[email protected]] has changed topic to "cheese crackers!"
[12:17:40] <@Chimpertainment> yay
[12:17:50] <@Chimpertainment> anyways
[12:18:08] <@Chimpertainment> muscle relaxation
[12:19:06] <noeul55> Man
[12:19:15] <noeul55> I hate when I suddenly get into the transition aware
[12:19:18] <noeul55> when I dont want to.
[12:19:21] <@Chimpertainment> we have mental practices like (hypnosis, mantras, visualizations), physical practices like (muscle tightening/loosening, taking showers) and combinations of the two (yoga, meditation)
[12:19:59] <@Chimpertainment> anybody wanna add anything else?
[12:20:16] <noeul55> No.
[12:20:31] <Hathor28> maybe tiring yourself out lol
[12:20:35] <noeul55> oh
[12:20:37] <noeul55> ASMR
[12:20:41] <Hathor28> ?
[12:20:54] <noeul55> When you get much attention
[12:20:55] <Hathor28> whats that
[12:20:56] <noeul55> from a person
[12:20:59] <noeul55> I mean
[12:21:02] <noeul55> SEARCH ON INTERNET
[12:21:02] <noeul55> LOL
[12:21:05] <+Pennyroyal> o.O
[12:21:06] <noeul55> I can't explain xD
[12:21:11] <Hathor28> LOL
[12:21:21] <+Pennyroyal> Brings up random acronym - cant explain
[12:21:37] <Hathor28> asmr?
[12:21:47] <%Lucidis> !ud ASMR
[12:21:47] <Demonbot> Lucidis: "ASMR" could mean, "Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR) is a physical sensation characterized by a pleasurable tingling that typically begins in the head and scalp, and often moves down the spine and through the limbs.Also known as : AIHO (Attention induced head orgasm), AIE (Attention induced euphoria), or simply 'head orgasms'/'head tingles'," or, "An acronym for “Autonomous (1 more message)
[12:21:51] <@Chimpertainment> okie dokie...well that was our only planned topic, so its free for all at this point
[12:21:55] <noeul55> braingasm.
[12:22:05] <OmkAR> i have ASMR
[12:22:09] <noeul55> ME TOO
[12:22:13] Chimpertainment [[email protected]] has changed topic to "FREE FOR ALL"
[12:22:29] <%Lucidis> oh yeah orgasms might tire you out too
[12:22:29] <noeul55> EXACTLY
[12:22:36] <noeul55> LETS TALK ABOUT LUCID DAYDREAMING
[12:22:40] <noeul55> wut is that.
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[12:22:45] <OmkAR> i had my first spinegasm couple weeks ago
[12:22:51] <OmkAR> it started pulsating
[12:22:51] <OmkAR> it was so weird
[12:22:53] <Hathor28> ok
[12:22:55] <noeul55> I get stomachgasm.
[12:22:57] <%Lucidis> well my DDA technique could also be called lucid daydreaming
[12:23:01] <noeul55> I mean
[12:23:04] <noeul55> lungs gasm
[12:23:05] <noeul55> LOL
[12:23:10] <noeul55> But sometimes stomacvhgasm too.
[12:23:13] <noeul55> stomach*
[12:23:19] <OmkAR> like butterflies?
[12:23:25] <OmkAR> but it like. . . Pulsates?
[12:23:27] <Hathor28> dda ldd
[12:23:35] <noeul55> Yeah
[12:23:36] <noeul55> It's
[12:23:38] <noeul55> beating
[12:23:38] <%Lucidis> DDA = Daydream Awareness
[12:23:41] <noeul55> Idk how to explain xD
[12:23:42] <OmkAR> neato
[12:24:13] <Hathor28> ya
[12:24:40] <Hathor28> i love my LDD feels like a waken dream
[12:24:50] <noeul55> wut is that?
[12:25:00] <Hathor28> what u wanted to discuss
[12:25:04] <Hathor28> lol
[12:25:06] <noeul55> someone explain to me How Can I have a lucid daydream?
[12:25:07] <noeul55> :/
[12:25:17] <Hathor28> lucid daydream
[12:25:35] <Hathor28> its like
[12:25:35] <@Chimpertainment> practice
[12:25:40] <@Chimpertainment> day dreaming
[12:25:44] <Hathor28> over exposed daydream
[12:25:49] <%Lucidis> noeul55: can you daydream?
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[12:25:56] <noeul55> Of course.
[12:25:57] <@Chimpertainment> there is a way to become fully immersed in a daydream...
[12:26:00] <PostScript99> what did i miss
[12:26:05] <noeul55> OHH
[12:26:05] <PostScript99> my internet died
[12:26:06] <%Lucidis> okay, now daydream while maintaining your awareness
[12:26:06] <noeul55> I GET IT
[12:26:11] <noeul55> how?
[12:26:14] <noeul55> can I mantain?
[12:26:15] <noeul55> :/ it
[12:26:17] <Hathor28> i immerse lol
[12:26:17] <@Chimpertainment> PostScript99: we switched gears to free for all
[12:26:24] <PostScript99> ok so now its ldd
[12:26:28] <%Lucidis> practice noeul55
[12:26:30] <@Chimpertainment> yeah
[12:26:31] <noeul55> Like,your body is falling asleep
[12:26:36] <noeul55> and youre in the daydream
[12:26:37] <noeul55> thing
[12:26:42] <noeul55> But It's actually a dream
[12:26:45] <@Chimpertainment> lemme summarize what you missed
[12:26:47] <noeul55> Can someone gimme a link? xD
[12:26:50] <Hathor28> i sometimes close my eyes
[12:27:42] <Hathor28> for me its like meditation
[12:27:53] <@Chimpertainment> we narrowed down most sleeping issues to relaxation, especially muscle relaxation....we brain stormed some ideas to help with pre-sleep practices which were... we have mental practices like (hypnosis, mantras, visualizations), physical practices like (muscle tightening/loosening, taking showers) and combinations of the two (yoga, meditation)
[12:28:08] <@Chimpertainment> ^^^on topic chat summary
[12:28:09] <PostScript99> okay
[12:28:15] <@Chimpertainment> now we are freeeeeee
[12:28:17] <PostScript99> http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...day-dream.html is the link to the LDD thread
[12:28:22] <Hathor28> ok
[12:28:26] <noeul55> Thank you.
[12:29:26] <@Chimpertainment> Are there any other pressing issues anybody wants to discuss?
[12:29:46] <@Chimpertainment> anything and everything is on the table..
[12:29:47] <@Chimpertainment> right now
[12:29:52] <@Chimpertainment> infinite
[12:29:52] <noeul55> I have no idea how to do it but is it easy?
[12:30:03] <PostScript99> gets easier with practice
[12:30:07] <@Chimpertainment> nothing is easy, unless you love to do that thing
[12:30:09] <noeul55> ...
[12:30:12] <PostScript99> first time is hardest
[12:30:14] <%Lucidis> noeul55: i think this is something you'll have to learn yourself
[12:30:18] <%Lucidis> just try
[12:30:37] <@Chimpertainment> go with something fun...explore where your daydream takes you...
[12:30:38] <noeul55> I dont know how.
[12:30:44] <noeul55> I just daydream?
[12:30:46] <noeul55> that's all?
[12:30:48] <PostScript99> its not as hard as everyone says it is though
[12:30:50] <noeul55> I do that every second
[12:31:28] <PostScript99> you daydream but you use it as a way to have controlled hallucinations, in a sense. It's different
[12:31:38] <PostScript99> than regular daydream
[12:31:42] <noeul55> ...
[12:31:50] <@Chimpertainment> from what I understand on that practice, the point is to daydream something while producing a sense of lucidity
[12:31:54] <@Chimpertainment> of that*
[12:31:55] <OmkAR> how clear is it though
[12:31:59] <PostScript99> Very clear
[12:32:11] <PostScript99> like LD, but not as...substantial
[12:32:21] <OmkAR> can you layout a chessboard and places the peices, and they will hold their positions by themselves, without you needing to memorize the layout?
[12:32:26] <@Chimpertainment> ive tried a few times, and after a while it morphs into a fully immersive experience
[12:32:33] <PostScript99> ^
[12:32:34] <@Chimpertainment> oh not this again omkar
[12:32:41] <%Lucidis> i guess people have different interpretations of daydreaming
[12:32:44] <OmkAR> yes,, THIS AGAIN
[12:32:49] <OmkAR> lol
[12:32:50] <noeul55> So I daydream
[12:32:50] <%Lucidis> i refuse to do this again
[12:32:50] <@Chimpertainment> nopre
[12:32:52] <noeul55> but like
[12:32:53] <@Chimpertainment> not this time
[12:32:55] <noeul55> very clear?
[12:33:06] <noeul55> And try to get immersed into that daydream?
[12:33:06] <PostScript99> no idea whats going on now
[12:33:09] <PostScript99> yes
[12:33:17] <@Chimpertainment> well think about what you do in regular dreams
[12:33:20] <@Chimpertainment> in a lucid dream
[12:33:26] <noeul55> Oh
[12:33:27] <@Chimpertainment> just reproduce that in a daydream
[12:33:28] <noeul55> Good.
[12:33:30] <noeul55> Okay.
[12:33:36] <noeul55> And I will somehow
[12:33:38] <PostScript99> dont expect it to be the same
[12:33:38] <noeul55> appear in it or wut?
[12:33:39] <noeul55> xD
[12:33:42] <OmkAR> my regular lucid dreams are as solid as waking life, you can place objects in positoins, and they will hold
[12:33:54] <OmkAR> even if you look away, when you lookback, it will be in the exact same position,
[12:33:59] <PostScript99> not here, they shift with your wandering mind, it takes some discipline
[12:34:10] <PostScript99> to hold a solid image
[12:34:16] <OmkAR> just like if i was to balance a pencil on the edge of my desk now, leave the room, and come back, and the pencil will still be balanced there
[12:35:14] <PostScript99> its a daydream, enough said
[12:35:22] <Hathor28> can one put their ldd in a LD?
[12:35:28] <PostScript99> Yes I have
[12:35:30] <Hathor28> i think so
[12:35:34] <noeul55> so you somehow get into the dream
[12:35:40] <noeul55> wut about your body?
[12:35:45] <noeul55> he's falling asleep?
[12:35:48] <PostScript99> I did it in a NLD once
[12:36:05] <@Chimpertainment> noeul55: have you heard of dream incubation?
[12:36:06] <Hathor28> i think i am dreaming of my daydreams XD
[12:36:13] <noeul55> Yup.
[12:36:15] <Hathor28> fragment-wise
[12:36:48] <@Chimpertainment> thats basically what ldd can be...its a way to produce a familiarity with your dreamscape
[12:36:52] <noeul55> Dream incubation seems hard for me.
[12:36:54] <@Chimpertainment> and up your chances of becoming lucid
[12:37:10] <@Chimpertainment> all you do is imagine a scene, and yourself becoming lucid
[12:37:16] <@Chimpertainment> then do whatever you like
[12:37:18] <@Chimpertainment> wherever
[12:37:21] <@Chimpertainment> with whoever
[12:37:48] <Hathor28> i can tell when my dream is just part of a daydream plot i made before lol
[12:38:23] <Hathor28> and it's just like a short 2min dream
[12:40:00] <@Chimpertainment> personally on this topic
[12:40:16] <@Chimpertainment> i find lucidis' tutorial more useful than the one previously posted
[12:40:21] <@Chimpertainment> this is the link
[12:40:22] <@Chimpertainment> http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...technique.html
[12:41:09] <Hathor28> yes i do all of that lol
[12:41:10] <%Lucidis> well the one previously posted was more talking about making a daydream reach the level of a real dream
[12:41:31] <%Lucidis> mine just talks about using daydreaming to train yourself for lucid dreaming
[12:41:33] <noeul55> Thank you for being patient with such a big head like me
[12:41:34] <noeul55> XD
[12:41:52] <@Chimpertainment> seems like the same idea
[12:41:58] <Hathor28> same thing
[12:42:35] <Hathor28> or using daydream to be put in a dream lol
[12:42:39] <@Chimpertainment> no worries noeul, there are plenty of big heads around here....me included
[12:42:46] <PostScript99> heard of dda but didnt know it was pretty much the same
[12:43:17] <%Lucidis> well i did use DDA once to achieve what that other thread was talking about
[12:43:27] <@Chimpertainment> i suppose i see a difference in day dreaming for the sake of having the best day dream possible and using daydreaming to affect night dreams...
[12:43:29] <%Lucidis> i was laying in bed while daydreaming for a long time
[12:43:46] <%Lucidis> and eventually it became a real dream i think
[12:43:56] <%Lucidis> i guess it's because i immersed myself in it so much
[12:43:57] <PostScript99> happens to me a lot ^
[12:44:08] <PostScript99> but I dont think its the same
[12:44:40] <@Chimpertainment> whenever i really daydream, i get to that full immersion point and my mind freaks out...i end up jerking my body or snapping my eyes open
[12:44:45] <PostScript99> sometimes my subc tricks me by making dreams out of daydreams
[12:45:05] <PostScript99> they feel exactly the same
[12:45:20] <@Chimpertainment> ya
[12:46:44] <PostScript99> now we seem to have exhasuted
[12:46:49] <PostScript99> that topic
[12:46:50] <@Chimpertainment> indeed
[12:46:53] <PostScript99> now what
[12:46:58] <@Chimpertainment> and its been almost an hour
[12:46:58] <@Chimpertainment> well
[12:47:06] <@Chimpertainment> if anybody has another topic we can discuss
[12:47:10] <@Chimpertainment> id bbe happy to
[12:47:22] <@Chimpertainment> otherwise ima burn this mofo down
[12:47:30] <PostScript99> one more thing
[12:47:38] <@Chimpertainment> go for it
[12:47:54] <PostScript99> sometimes i feel like theres a barrier when i try to get lucid
[12:48:13] <PostScript99> and when I do its really a forceful entry and i feel like im blasting my way through a brick wall
[12:48:17] <PostScript99> normal?
[12:48:27] <@Chimpertainment> yep
[12:48:40] <PostScript99> rlly?
[12:48:49] <@Chimpertainment> that reminds me of a dream somebody had
[12:48:59] <@Chimpertainment> they re-entered their dream in a wild three times
[12:49:13] <@Chimpertainment> just by pushing it
[12:49:28] <PostScript99> no comprendo
[12:49:37] <PostScript99> pushing it?
[12:49:39] <@Chimpertainment> well
[12:49:40] <@Chimpertainment> willpower
[12:50:01] <PostScript99> thats how I used to stabilize my dreams
[12:50:01] <@Chimpertainment> basically using brute force or willpower to produce the lucidity
[12:50:22] <PostScript99> and i used to chain lucids that way until i found out there was a better way
[12:50:23] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, whatever works
[12:50:34] <PostScript99> thats basically it
[12:50:41] <@Chimpertainment> that could have to do with expectations as well
[12:51:03] <@Chimpertainment> if you expect it to be difficult, the mind could be producing resistance
[12:51:11] <PostScript99> usually its easy
[12:51:18] <@Chimpertainment> hmm
[12:51:42] <@Chimpertainment> maybe just a pocket of resistance then...
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[12:51:48] <@Chimpertainment> one thing you might try...
[12:51:57] <PostScript99> it always happens on long micro wbtb chains
[12:52:02] <@Chimpertainment> if you are forcing the lucidity, chances are you already have some bit of awareness
[12:52:09] <@Chimpertainment> ah
[12:52:30] <@Chimpertainment> yea, so just relaxing, and focusing your awareness inwardly will probably work
[12:52:42] <PostScript99> oh ok
[12:53:04] <@Chimpertainment> the dream is you...so using any understanding or expectation of external control will make it harder
[12:53:20] <@Chimpertainment> it can be done
[12:53:26] <PostScript99> well bye everyone im off to the forums
[12:53:30] <@Chimpertainment> but in my experience, the mind continues to up the resistance
[12:53:33] <@Chimpertainment> okie dokie
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[12:53:40] <@Chimpertainment> well thanks for coming peoples
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DVA Chat Log for August 14th, 2013 1-2pm -8gmt

Spoiler for DVA:

[From dreamviews/#DVA on 2013-08-14 at 15:59:57 CDT by Serpentoj]
[Comment: DVA Session]

<Serpentoj> --- [ DVA Log Mark ] ---
<Chimpertainment> Serpentoj: would u happen to know the command to change channel topics?
<lmjai> lol this is still going
<lmjai> im jsut gonna lurk
<Chimpertainment> gonna be starting back up again once a week
<lmjai> so every wednesday?
<Oreo^> yay
<Chimpertainment> yea, probly every wednesday
<Chimpertainment> im trying to get feedback about times in the forum, and if more people want a different day then it will be switched otherwise, wednesday it shall be
<Sparta> well
<Sparta> how about that
<killing|Asleep> aliens?
<realdealmagic> Sparta: You've never known about this?
<killing|Asleep> haha
<taylord94> Are these classes archived somewhere on the forums?
<killing|Asleep> usually there are logs of them posted on the forum
<killing|Asleep> in the appropriate thread
<taylord94> Good
<killing|Asleep> at least that's how it used be?
<Chimpertainment> http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-clas...imes-logs.html
<Sparta> [14:52:27] <realdealmagic> Sparta: You've never known about this?
<Sparta> I'm KNOWN about it
<Sparta> just didn;t know it was starting up
<Sparta> today
<killing|Asleep> oh wow. i forgot 4c was one of the teachers at first
<killing|Asleep> oh maaaaaan
<taylord94> cheese balls <3
<killing|Asleep> muesli <3
<taylord94> hi flowofmysoul|Away
<flowofmysoul|Away> hi
<Chimpertainment> hello hello everyone
<taylord94> hi
<Chimpertainment> welcome to the end of the world
[Chimpertainment watches the pigs fly by]
<Chimpertainment> Topic today is open discussion...
<Chimpertainment> Anyone can start, anyone can say anything as long as its about lucid dreaming...
<Chimpertainment> If nobody has anything on their mind, I will be happy to throw some stuff out there
<Hathor28> i thought it was in LD
<Oreo> hello Anna and Hathor
<taylord94> I'll start off since a lot of people probably don't know this.
<noeul55> Hello guy I never met
<Chimpertainment> naw, we have special channel for class
<noeul55> or girl
<Oreo>
<Hathor28> try me
<Chimpertainment> go for it taylord
<taylord94> Do you have to be in sleep paralysis to WILD?
<Oreo> no
<Serpentoj> taylord94: Nope.
<Hathor28> idk
<flowofmysoul|Away> y
<Oreo> i can't put enough emphasis on the no >.>
<Hathor28> i dont use sp
<Hathor28> or do it
<taylord94> I know this. I just know SOME people think you have to.
<Chimpertainment> it is a common misconception
<taylord94> Take notes, people.
<Chimpertainment> on many lding websites
<Chimpertainment> youtube videos
<Chimpertainment> etc
<Serpentoj> It is one of the largest wives' tales of WILD.
<Chimpertainment> indeed
<flowofmysoul|Away> Boring to use links as answers..
<flowofmysoul|Away> people will go afk all the time
<Chimpertainment> its a good reference and there is too much info to transfer via chat
<flowofmysoul|Away> ok
<Chimpertainment> are you attempting wild taylord94?
<taylord94> Indeed.
<Chimpertainment> hows it goin?
<Oreo> or you could copy the link and save it for later
<Chimpertainment> ^^
<taylord94> Well
<taylord94> Since I've recently had a situation come up in which my house is packed with people
<Serpentoj> The last step might be a bit tricky to get to balance between awareness and actually going to sleep, but once you've got it, you're good.
<taylord94> Efforts to wake myself up in the middle of the night have been nulled
<taylord94> And I know doing it at night is nearly useless
<taylord94> But I've been trying at night anyways
<Chimpertainment> hm, ok
<Hathor28> i had a few wilds
<taylord94> Lo and behold without success
<taylord94> Lel
<Chimpertainment> is anyone else doing wild?
<sprada> I am
<Serpentoj> I do the visual-version of it.
<sprada> I also have some qustions about it
<Chimpertainment> cool, well we can spend some time on wild then
<sprada> Sorry if my English seems strange
<Chimpertainment> what questions u got sprada?
<sprada> about timing
<Chimpertainment> k
<sprada> I've been recently trying during WBTB
<sprada> but also after naps
<Chimpertainment> so you are wondering what the best time is?
<sprada> I've read on a couple of threads timing about naps
<sprada> yeah
<Chimpertainment> ok
<sprada> sageus
<Chimpertainment> its usually different for most people
<sprada> *sageous
<Chimpertainment> anybody that wilds here care to share when they usually attempt wild?
<sprada> tells it's basically useless in naps if you're awake
<sprada> more then 6 hours
<flowofmysoul> every time i go to sleep i get into lucid dream i don't know if you want to call it wild
<Oreo> flowofmysoul: do you go directly from the waking state to the dreaming state?
<taylord94> Sounds like DILD, flow.
<Serpentoj> Chimpertainment: I like to do it after I first wake up.
<flowofmysoul> Oreo: did not exactly understand you
<sprada> the thing is, I wake up at 7am everyday to work and get back from work at 6pm. and try during a nap. Is this useless?
<Chimpertainment> i believe he is asking if you wild when you first go to bed..
<Oreo> WILD is when you're awake and then go into a dream without any loss of consciousness
<flowofmysoul> depends, if i had 5-10 min break before i go back to sleep then i do not loose lucidity during going to sleep
<killing|Asleep> do you lose consciousness
<killing|Asleep> and regain it later
<flowofmysoul> No i usually have my consciousness all the way
<taylord94> sprada
<Oreo> then it's probably WILD
<flowofmysoul> i had what you call DILD when i tried to stop LDing
<taylord94> a thing I did during school was
<taylord94> I would wake up earlier than normal
<TehDalek> OHai
<taylord94> maybe an hour or so
<taylord94> Then I would get ready for school as usual
<Chimpertainment> sprada: its never useless to attempt a wild...but keep in mind a couple things...you are going to need to be awake enough to remain aware, but tired enough to fall asleep...everything else is kind of icing on the cake
<taylord94> Except I would be done an hour earlier
<Chimpertainment> howdy TehDalek, thnks for comin
<flowofmysoul> I want to ask, anybody here who had a lot of lucid dreams ever tried to stop LDing? did you succeed ?
<Serpentoj> An interesting question: how do you know if you've lost consciousness when you're not able to know that you're unconscious without anything to reference?
<taylord94> I would then attempt to WILD for the next hour
<taylord94> Usually went to sleep within the first couple of minutes
<flowofmysoul> Serpentoj: i usually start and/or end all my LD's with what people call OBE
<flowofmysoul> but i believe OBE is part of LD
<flowofmysoul> So i feel when i fall asleep and i start it in my room
<lmjai> i had a lot of lds in one week and then i just got bored and stopped lding, but im not a natural i had to make a lot of effort to ld
<TehDalek> OBE, false awakening with off-awareness, whatever you want to call it.
<lmjai> that was like 1 year ago or something
<TehDalek> From experience, I'd say the easiest way to LD is with DEILD
<Chimpertainment> personally, when I wild, I have a hard time balancing awareness with relaxation...im either too aware or too relaxed...so far ive been able to accomplish it a few times, but it can be tricky
<sprada> Chimpertainment: I have no problem falling asleep that many hours after work. I wonder if I'm not simply in a REM cycle and therefore just wasting time
<flowofmysoul> for me DEILD is part of my LDing, not a way
<flowofmysoul> DEILD is a good way to finish your dream when somebody woke you up in the morning
<TehDalek> DEILD is a form of WILD, but so much easier to do.
<Chimpertainment> so how do you guys do deild?
<TehDalek> Wake up from dream or otherwise, realize it is still early, fall back to sleep. 9/10 times the awareness stays
<Chimpertainment> sprada: you should be able to dream no matter what...however, if you continue having trouble with wild, it might be a good idea to give dild a shot
<Serpentoj> DEILD is something that I do very, very rarely (read: maybe less than a handful of times in a year).
<Chimpertainment> its easy to get burnt out attempting wild all the time
<Oreo> Chimpertainment: i wake up, get comfortable, and go back asleep and into the dream
<Oreo> and that all happens in like 10 seconds
<TehDalek> When I deild, I usually look at the clock, then fall back asleep in seconds
<sprada> Chimpertainment: Tks. I'm focusing on DILD mainly. But trying WILD everyday too. Tks for the help
<Serpentoj> When I do, though, I just imagine myself at the last part of the dream I had and VILD back in.
<taylord94> I can't fall back asleep that quickly
<Oreo> it takes me a long time to fall asleep when i first go to bed
<Chimpertainment> sprada: of course, did your questions get answered?
<TehDalek> I can fall asleep after being asleep for a while do to the rheum in my eyes, but going to bed initially at night seems difficult at times
<Oreo> but whenever i wake up in the middle of the night i can fall right back asleep in seconds
<TehDalek> I'm with Oreo
<lmjai> hey flowofmysoul you ever wild at the start of the night?
<Chimpertainment> see, when i wake up in the night..im all groggy and barely aware of anything
<Oreo> WILDing at the start of the night is usually not recommended
<Chimpertainment> gives me issues with actually doing a deild, or even recording dreams
<TehDalek> I do not have that issue chimp
<Oreo> it's rare for you to have dreams that early
<flowofmysoul> i sleep at night .. so yea
<TehDalek> Mainly because I don't wake up usually until 7 and a half to 8 hours after sleeping, if not 9-10 hours after. I usually don't remember waking up through the night
<Serpentoj> Trying to LD at the start of a night isn't impossible (it happens to me by accident quite a few times from going to bed at random times constantly), but it is more difficult.
<Serpentoj> Beginning REM cycles are short and far apart.
<sprada> Chimpertainment: about timing yes. I have some more but I don't want to monopolize the class. Reading and learning now
<Serpentoj> (You can dream in nREM, though. nREM dreams have a tendency to be... weird.)
<lmjai> for me its random, sometimes ill have my dreams at the first hours of night sometimes at the later hours, it depends on what i eat i guess
<TehDalek> Serpentoj: all dreams are...weird
<Chimpertainment> sprada: no worries, feel free to ask any questions, this is the best time for them since we have quite a few experienced lders in the room
<Serpentoj> TehDalek: In the unstable, disconnected way.
<Chimpertainment> ive noticed dreams earlier in the night are more negative for me...its when i have most of my nightmares
<TehDalek> I am not too experiences yet sadly, but I have some sort of awareness a lot. Yesterday and today I had a small level of awareness in my dreams, but I keep forgetting my dreams. I haven't had time to recall them and write them down at all the last few days
<Chimpertainment> ya u gotta get something recorded as soon as you can or its gone
<TehDalek> Going by the levels of lucidity table, I get a lot of layer 0s and layer 2s
<taylord94> Has anyone here practiced a bit of dream yoga?
<Serpentoj> I keep having moments where I will wake up for a few seconds and think, "Maybe I should write this down," and end up going back to sleep, forgetting everything by the time I wake up again.
<Chimpertainment> taylord94: yep, just the basic practices, but not anymore
<taylord94> Did you notice that the couple of days of practicing the awareness techniques
<Chimpertainment> Serpentoj: i do that constantly, lol
<taylord94> That after you fall asleep for a couple of minutes at the beginning of the night
<taylord94> you wake up?
<taylord94> or is that just me?
<Chimpertainment> not sure
<Hathor28> anyone can write down their phone number in a dream and not get it wrong? lol
<taylord94> It's almost like your body is aware that it fell asleep
<Chimpertainment> i wake up a lot during the night anyway
<taylord94> and knows it needs to be awake
<Chimpertainment> yea, i do that i lot when i attempt wild
<taylord94> Yeah
<Chimpertainment> its a bit of a problem actually
<Hathor28> guess not
<Chimpertainment> its like its focused awareness instead of the goal which is passive awareness
<Chimpertainment> Hathor28: i have no idea...i imagine one might forget or create a new one and believe its the real one
<Serpentoj> Hathor28: "Oh, it's 867-5309." *later* *dials 5r9-9z*(bananna)*
<Hathor28> no i got last 2 numbers wrong
<Oreo> [16:24:11] <taylord94> That after you fall asleep for a couple of minutes at the beginning of the night [16:24:14] <taylord94> you wake up? [16:24:17] <taylord94> or is that just me?
<Oreo> i've actually been like that for a long time
<Hathor28> im like shit!
<Oreo> sometimes as i fall asleep i'll jump because i will realize i'm about to sleep
<Oreo> pretty annoying
<taylord94> So it hasn't helped you with LDing at all?
<taylord94> Dang.
<Chimpertainment> hypnagogic jerks
<Oreo> well being aware helps me with LDing
<Oreo> jumping awake doesn't help so much, but it's a sign i have good awareness i think
<Serpentoj> I hate those. Especially when imagining yourself into a dream and you try to do something like jump and wake yourself up in the process.
<Chimpertainment> i had one of those one time that was really harsh...i saw a basketball flying at my face and threw my hands in the air...got my blood pumping
<Hathor28> i wanted to give it to someone but i was rushed >_<
<Serpentoj> Or you start running and your legs fly into the air.
<Oreo> it'll happen to me even more frequently if i try to fall asleep in the car
<Hathor28> try rushing your brain in a dream
<TehDalek> At least my dreams are always stable. They are not always extremely vivid, but they are always stable
<Oreo> and then everyone laughs because i jump in my sleep T_T
<TehDalek> I never have issues with waking myself up from excitement or anything
<Hathor28> lmao Serpentoj
<Hathor28> legs fly into the ai
<Hathor28> r
<Serpentoj> And you're awake just before they hit the bed.
<taylord94> One time I just had a dream I was falling
<taylord94> I jumped in my chair as if I was falling backwards
<taylord94> and almost REALLY fell abckwards
<Serpentoj> I wonder if anyone has jerked hard enough to make themselves roll out of the bed.
<Chimpertainment> so question for yall...is there anything you can think of that might help take advantage of those micro awakenings i guess you could call them?
<Chimpertainment> perhaps some kind of pre sleep something that would help utilize them
<taylord94> I heard autosuggesting waking up after a dream works with some people
<Serpentoj> Chimpertainment: Aside from reminding yourself beforehand to do so?
<lmjai> a
<Chimpertainment> like a mantra perhaps?
<Chimpertainment> or just like, telling yourself it will happen
<taylord94> Probably expecting it would be the best thing
<taylord94> I bet if you woke yourself up every night at the same time
<taylord94> for a week or so
<Serpentoj> That used to work back when I had a saner sleeping schedule.
<taylord94> and you one day forgot to set the alarm, you'd still wake up
<taylord94> It happened to me all of the time when I was on a strict sleep schedule
<taylord94> back in my 9th grade years
<taylord94> year*
<taylord94> oh god 9th grade YEARS
<Hathor28> i woke up not in my room a few times
<taylord94> Sleepwalking?
<Chimpertainment> i usually always wake up 4 hours on the dot after i fall asleep no matter when i go to sleep
<Hathor28> it was just hallucination
<taylord94> ahh
<noeul55> Or FA?
<taylord94> I use to have a bad case of sleepwalking when I was younger.
<Hathor28> but scary
<taylord94> Maybe I'm too deep of a sleeper to LD
<taylord94> xD
<Hathor28> no it wasnt
<Hathor28> FA
<Serpentoj> Was it a dream-hallucination or a real hallucination?
<Hathor28> dream/wake
<Chimpertainment> wait, you still havent had an ld yet have you taylord94?
<Hathor28> i wake up in dream and then i wake in real
<taylord94> I mean, I've had a good many
<taylord94> but not as many as a person practicing it for years SHOULD have
<Hathor28> then dream stuff appears in real
<Chimpertainment> ah
<Hathor28> then disappears
<Oreo> i used to sleep on the top of a bunk bed
<Oreo> and i once rolled out of bed in my sleep
<Oreo> and woke up as i was falling
<taylord94> oh god
<Oreo> that was fun
<Hathor28> like i didnt see my dresser where i was
<Chimpertainment> lol
<Hathor28> it*
<Oreo> and painful when i hit the floor head first >.>
<taylord94> I came up with a theory that I put to effect starting last night
<TehDalek> I've done that oreo.
<taylord94> If I treat EVERY dream as if it were an LD
<Chimpertainment> i did that once...my body hit the floor pretty evenly so it didnt hurt...kinda funny
<TehDalek> In the dream you are falling off a cliff, in real life you are falling to the floor. Ouch.
<Serpentoj> Hathor28: Oh. That doesn't sound fun to be fully awake and still hallucinating.
<taylord94> Then one of these nights I'll actually LD since I'm expecting it. It's intention.
<Oreo> and then my dad called to me from another room saying "are you alright?" and i didn't answer, i just crawled back into bed and fell asleep
<Oreo> too tired to care
<Chimpertainment> taylord94: what tek do you usually use?
<taylord94> Lol Oreo
<Hathor28> no its not
<taylord94> I've tried them all basically
<Hathor28> i thought i was somewhere else
<Serpentoj> (Also very dangerous.)
<taylord94> But I've recently decided on WILD since it's more.. practical.
<Chimpertainment> yea, i was going to suggest that
<taylord94> Like, it'll get better with practice
<Oreo> i will never call WILD practical but okay
<taylord94> instead of MILD where it might happen or not
<Hathor28> also one time seen wallpaper on walls but i dont have wallpaper
<Chimpertainment> and combining it with that mild incubation idea would probably work pretty well
<Hathor28> i just blink a few times and it goes away
<Chimpertainment> thing about wild is
<Serpentoj> Or DILD as a fallback.
<Chimpertainment> even if you dont have a wild, you will most likely be more aware in the coming dreams
<Serpentoj> But that will be sorta automa–*beaten to it by Chimpertainment*
<Chimpertainment> great minds
<Hathor28> still be in a dream while u wake lol
<Chimpertainment> so my suggestion taylord94, for what its worth...would be to wbtb, recall your last dream, imagine you were lucid..then attempt the wild with lucid intentions...
<Hathor28> sounds like nightmare on elm street stuff
<taylord94> Hmm
<taylord94> How to WBTB without people asking questions haha
<Chimpertainment> i used to have sp all the time when i was a kid, major hallucinations there
<Serpentoj> Hathor28: People that have sleep paralysis (the disorder, not what people call RA) do this, too.
<Chimpertainment> taylord94: make it a potty break
<Chimpertainment> gotta get up to go pee is a good excuse
<taylord94> Maybe I can strap my phone to my arm and put it on vibrate
<taylord94> but I mean
<Hathor28> LOL
<taylord94> if they hear the alarm
<Chimpertainment> oh
<taylord94> why would someone put the alarm at 3 am
<taylord94> NO WORRIES GRANDMA JUST PRACTICING SOME SATANIC VISION RITUALS
<Hathor28> strap your phone on your arm and make it send shocks thru u loooool
<Chimpertainment> to take a pee break
<noeul55> That's why having your own room is awesome
<taylord94> xD
<noeul55> LOOOL
<Serpentoj> They're awake, but the chemical that keeps you from moving around is still present.
<Hathor28> oh i can move when i hallucinate
<Serpentoj> * them
<Chimpertainment> u might also try self suggesting that you will wake up in the night
<Chimpertainment> and be ready for it
<Chimpertainment> no alarm necessary
<taylord94> I suppose that would work if I went to bed at a reasonable time
<taylord94> xD
<Chimpertainment> well you gotta make it work
<taylord94> by the time I go to bed my mind is probably like "poor thing, he needs sleep. I'm not gonna wake him up"
<taylord94> But I think I'll do the vibrate alarm
<taylord94> or maybe put my ear phones in and hope they stay in my ears for the next 3 hours
<Hathor28> urm
<Hathor28> what else
<Serpentoj> taylord94: I would try to do it without using the alarm. It will keep you from being jarred awake and forgetting everything. And also from having to depend on the alarm in the first place.
<Chimpertainment> the most effective lucid trigger ive found is a sincere desire to become lucid...nothing will get in your way
<Hathor28> oh ya i can bring a dc in waking life...did it once
<taylord94> but should I use the alarm every other day to get me in hte habit of actually interrupting my sleep?
<Hathor28> guess who it was
<Chimpertainment> not really taylord
<taylord94> either megan fox or bobo the clown
<Chimpertainment> everybody already wakes up naturally throughout the night
<Hathor28> no a recurring person i been having
<Serpentoj> Hathor28: In a tulpa sort of way?
<Hathor28> kinda
<Hathor28> noeul55: DG
<Hathor28>
<noeul55> Yes what
<Hathor28> its in my dj
<Chimpertainment> thats actually something i wanted to talk about in case we ran out of topics...dream characters
<noeul55> I love DCs
<Hathor28> i brought DG into waking life when i wake up once
<Chimpertainment> who has recurring dream characters?
<noeul55> All of them
<noeul55> I don't
<Hathor28> me
<noeul55> I wanna make one
<taylord94> brb a sec
<Oreo> Chimpertainment: i do
<Chimpertainment> i know oreo does, and ive been having some of the same chractersas well
<Chimpertainment> beat me to it, lol
<Hathor28> he was still on top of me i seen his image like 2 seconds when i wake
<Hathor28> was awesome tho
<Serpentoj> I don't. I have places in my dream metaverse that I seem to like to start off/end up often, but no dream characters like that.
<Chimpertainment> so...im wondering...have either of you gone about exploring these characters in dream, interacting with them etc?
<taylord94> back
<Hathor28> what else.....oh ya i felt someone touch my face and i woke and no one was there
<Chimpertainment> Serpentoj: so you have recurring scenes then?
<noeul55> Wow Hathor
<Chimpertainment> scenes/locations
<Hathor28> ikr
<Serpentoj> Chimpertainment: Jes. Also, certain mechanics and abilities that are consistent.
<noeul55> I don't think I ever had tactile hallucinations
<Serpentoj> Such as switching between having a body and spectator mode and using screens and monitors to go between metaverses and being able to treat the dream like a DVR at times.
<Chimpertainment> makes me wonder...if the same type of content is being expressed in different ways in different peoples dreams...like a dream character in one persons dream could be a similar relation to what another person dreams as a place, or activity
<Oreo> Chimpertainment: i interact with my dream characters all the time
<Serpentoj> Those things happen regularly in my non-lucids, too.
<Oreo> it's fun to interact with them
<Hathor28> SOME
<Hathor28> only some dcs
<Hathor28> i cant communicate with idiot dcs
<noeul55> lol
<Hathor28> it will give me headache
<noeul55> Do you like apples? Because all my friends are apples?
<Chimpertainment> when you interact oreo and hathor, do you talk in the dream, or is it different?
<Hathor28> like i said i want medium fries not small
<noeul55>
<Oreo> i talk to them
<Hathor28> yes we talk
<Oreo> i don't know what else i would do
<Oreo> unless write to them maybe
<Oreo> or sign languae
<Oreo> but i don't know sign language
<Chimpertainment> i sometimes just communicate through thoughts with dcs
<Hathor28> we talk, we understand but somehow that other dc is fuckin stupid
<Oreo> i don't really have stupid DCs
<Hathor28> lucky u
<Chimpertainment> what do you mean by stupid hathor?
<Hathor28> >_> i hope u dont bump into 1
<Oreo> i think she means the ones who talk nonsense
<Hathor28> like not understanding me
<Hathor28> or just being ignorant
<Chimpertainment> how so?
<Hathor28> like medium fries!
<noeul55> Oh god Hathor
<Hathor28> lol
<noeul55> Forever haunted by that dream
<Hathor28> good example for dumb dc
<Chimpertainment> alrighty then
<Hathor28> i go to mcdonalds and get small firs
<Hathor28> fries
<Serpentoj> I have DCs that are no different from being another person, some that are closer to having just enough peronality constuct information to seem credible, some that are just basically NPCs, and some that are just braindead avatar imposters.
<Chimpertainment> so we have five minutes left, anybody got something specific they wanted to talk about, maybe something that didnt get addressed, or a question that went unanswered?
<Hathor28> and i said medium
<Hathor28> happened twice
<Hathor28> im like wtf
<noeul55> They gave me food I don't like
<noeul55> instead of McDonalds
<noeul55> BUT
<noeul55> They delivered it home..
<noeul55> lol
<Hathor28> no i was AT mcdonalds
<Serpentoj> noeul55: They probably did you a service.
<Hathor28> i went to a different location and they do same shit
<noeul55> So far my DCs aren't dumbs
<noeul55> But who knows
<Hathor28> im like wtf is wrong with u ppl???!
<Hathor28> XD
<noeul55> LOL
<noeul55> McDonalds Dreams are
<Hathor28> am i like in planet X?
<noeul55> so annoying
<Hathor28> so far that was my 1st
<Hathor28> mcdonalds dream
<noeul55> I tried like 3 times
<noeul55> or 4
<noeul55> Fail
<noeul55> I tell you
<Chimpertainment> alrighty peeps, that does it for DVA class, thanks to everybody for joining
<Chimpertainment> its been fun!
<noeul55> Oh boy
<Hathor28> i was in a wrong mcdonalds dimension
<noeul55> I just entered in the disscussion
<noeul55> And it's finishing
<flowofmysoul> cya
<Serpentoj> At some point, you will have a dream where McDonalds is the bathroom and flushing the urinal/toilet will produce a meal.
<flowofmysoul> and gn all
<noeul55> o-o
<Hathor28> lma00000000000000000000000000000
<noeul55> Let's hope not
<Chimpertainment> thank ye sir

Thanks to everyone who made it! It was quite a success