[11:58:49] <@Chimpertainment> !topic cheese crackers
[11:58:49] <Demonbot> Chimpertainment: topic [<channel>]
[11:59:21] <+Pennyroyal> Aw yea
[11:59:25] <@Chimpertainment> I dont know how to change topic so ill just write itin
[11:59:55] <+Pennyroyal> xD
[12:00:30] <@Chimpertainment> mmmk
[12:00:38] <@Chimpertainment> So first topic of the day will be::::::
[12:00:52] <+Pennyroyal> cheese crackers?
[12:00:56] <PostScript99> lol
[12:01:03] <@Chimpertainment> lol
[12:01:07] <+Pennyroyal> :P
[12:01:09] <@Chimpertainment> yes, that was the appetizer :)
[12:01:12] <+Pennyroyal> hahaha
[12:01:29] <@Chimpertainment> well lets just begin with your topic suggestion Pennyroyal
[12:01:32] <@Chimpertainment> (interested to read about how other's fall asleep more easily. I'll try to be there live if I'm home)
[12:01:44] <@Chimpertainment> falling asleep more easily
[12:01:45] <+Pennyroyal> Right on
[12:02:00] <PostScript99> ok
[12:02:03] <@Chimpertainment> !ping everyone
[12:02:03] <Demonbot> pong
[12:02:16] <%Lucidis> :|
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[12:02:22] <+Pennyroyal> Pingpong
[12:02:42] <@Chimpertainment> so, have you been having issues falling asleep Pennyroyal, or its just something you want more info on?
[12:03:30] <+Pennyroyal> Just more info really, I've been practicing Lucid dreaming for 5-6 months now. Before, I would fall asleep without even remembering my head hitting the pillow
[12:03:42] <+Pennyroyal> now it's not difficult, but it seems to take me a bit of time to fall asleep
[12:03:51] <@Chimpertainment> ahh, okie dokie
[12:04:01] <PostScript99> i have insomnia
[12:04:02] <+Pennyroyal> I've also been playing with WILD recently, I find I have difficulty falling asleep during those attempts.
[12:04:11] <PostScript99> so thats really a problem with me.
[12:04:18] <+Pennyroyal> ^
[12:04:19] <+Pennyroyal> There ya go
[12:04:20] <@Chimpertainment> this ties in with the other suggested topics as well::::how to fall asleep faster/tips and tricks---and pre/post sleep practices...
[12:04:28] <+Pennyroyal> Cool
[12:04:44] <noeul55> I need motivation for LD. I want to LD in the day but when night comes
[12:04:48] <noeul55> Im like: Next nixt
[12:04:49] <noeul55> :/
[12:04:50] <noeul55> night*
[12:04:58] <PostScript99> napping
[12:05:08] <noeul55> I cant have a LD while nap
[12:05:10] <PostScript99> unless you cant nap like me
[12:05:10] <noeul55> :/
[12:05:18] <PostScript99> then you lucid daydream
[12:05:22] <noeul55> Wut is that
[12:05:42] <@Chimpertainment> so what does everybody usually do before going to sleep? anything like reading dream journals, mantras, that kind of thing?
[12:05:44] <%Lucidis> maybe try a mantra during the day that will motivate you to do it during the night
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[12:05:55] <%Lucidis> hello Hathor28
[12:05:57] <Hathor28> okay
[12:05:59] <Hathor28> so
[12:06:07] <PostScript99> There's a thread on general lucid discussion that talks about lucid day dreaming
[12:06:16] <+Pennyroyal> I usually do my DJ stuff before bed. Ill start an entry for the following morning, write how far along in my goals for the month i am etc.
[12:06:21] <Hathor28> lucid what?
[12:06:25] <PostScript99> daydreaming
[12:06:28] <%Lucidis> daydreaming hathor
[12:06:30] <Hathor28> ik
[12:06:38] <%Lucidis> then why did you ask :|
[12:06:46] <Hathor28> daydreaming in dreams?
[12:06:46] <PostScript99> I read my DJ and play video games before bed
[12:06:53] <@Chimpertainment> mmk
[12:06:54] <PostScript99> no ldd is way different
[12:07:00] <@Chimpertainment> cool beans
[12:07:17] <Hathor28> how different
[12:07:20] <PostScript99> its more of controlled hallucinations through daydreams
[12:07:25] <%Lucidis> lucid daydreaming = daydreaming with awareness
[12:07:31] <+Pennyroyal> o.O
[12:07:38] <+Pennyroyal> A little off topic are we? :P
[12:07:42] <@Chimpertainment> One basic thing that can help pre-sleep anything is to create a mental boundary between your day and your sleep...
[12:07:42] <PostScript99> a little
[12:07:49] <%Lucidis> the topic is unknown
[12:07:56] <Hathor28> does meditation help?
[12:07:58] <@Chimpertainment> its all good, everything ties in
[12:08:02] <%Lucidis> Hathor28: yes
[12:08:08] <@Chimpertainment> The topic is
[12:08:15] <Hathor28> ok then i might be doing it ldd
[12:08:19] <noeul55> lucid daydreaming = daydreaming with awareness
[12:08:22] <noeul55> Wut is that
[12:08:23] <noeul55> :/
[12:08:24] <@Chimpertainment> pre/post sleep practices...falling asleep better/faster
[12:08:27] <+Pennyroyal> ^
[12:08:53] <noeul55> I sleep fast when
[12:08:54] <%Lucidis> noeul55: i don't know how to explain it any further
[12:08:55] <@Chimpertainment> we can talk about lucid daydreaming as well...but lets leave it be for a moment
[12:08:58] <noeul55> I think about something I like.
[12:09:03] <%Lucidis> it's two words
[12:09:07] <%Lucidis> lucid daydream
[12:09:09] <%Lucidis> :|
[12:09:18] <@Chimpertainment> so give me some ideas...
[12:09:29] <@Chimpertainment> how could somebody create a mental boundary when they go to sleep
[12:09:33] <Hathor28> i think ldd leads to dreaming when in a sleep state
[12:09:41] <@Chimpertainment> a way to tell the mind its time to sleep, and dream
[12:10:00] <@Chimpertainment> we have reading dream journals
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[12:10:06] <@Chimpertainment> playing video games
[12:10:08] <%Lucidis> mantras
[12:10:10] <%Lucidis> hypnosis
[12:10:15] <@Chimpertainment> thnx drunkanieb :)
[12:10:18] <@drunkanieb> ;)
[12:10:21] <%Lucidis> not staring at a screen for an hour before bed
[12:10:31] <Hathor28> meditation makes you sleep fast
[12:11:13] <@Chimpertainment> so there is one thing that might be effecting your sleep PostScript99...video games do help dream awareness, but at the same time the brightness of the screen can be a hinderance as well
[12:11:41] <@Chimpertainment> my personal falling asleep practice is relaxation
[12:12:00] <@Chimpertainment> if i really cant sleep, i flex every muscle in my body individually as hard as possible
[12:12:05] <+Pennyroyal> What do you do to relax?
[12:12:11] <+Pennyroyal> lol
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[12:12:14] <+Pennyroyal> too slow
[12:12:18] <@Chimpertainment> then i focus on relaxing each muscle as well
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[12:12:30] <Hathor28> hello
[12:12:31] <@Chimpertainment> then switch to my preferred sleeping position
[12:12:48] <@Chimpertainment> another thing i have used
[12:12:51] <@Chimpertainment> is white noise
[12:12:52] <+Pennyroyal> You do your relaxation exercises on your back, I'm assuming?
[12:12:52] <@Chimpertainment> music
[12:12:57] <@Chimpertainment> yeah
[12:13:04] <Hathor28> relaxing music
[12:13:27] <@Chimpertainment> yes, although depending on the person death metal could work too :)
[12:13:29] <Hathor28> like spa music
[12:13:33] <+Pennyroyal> :P
[12:14:02] <@Chimpertainment> well what else can put somebody into that relaxed state for sleep?
[12:14:05] <@Chimpertainment> ive heard tea works
[12:14:12] <@drunkanieb> milk
[12:14:22] <Hathor28> na i need like asian spa ,music
[12:14:37] <+Pennyroyal> Sometimes a hot shower before bed helps me sleep lol
[12:14:51] <@Chimpertainment> cool cool
[12:15:03] <@Chimpertainment> what abut a hot towel on the face?
[12:15:13] <@Chimpertainment> not so time consuming and easy to use in bed
[12:15:22] <+Pennyroyal> Hmm, hadn't thought about that
[12:15:32] <@Chimpertainment> just throwin things out there :)
[12:15:40] <+Pennyroyal> For me, the shower just gets all my muscles relaxed, and i find it easy to drift. Not so much the temperature
[12:15:49] <@Chimpertainment> ah ok
[12:15:56] <%Lucidis> maybe start practicing yoga
[12:16:01] <%Lucidis> somehow i feel like that would help
[12:16:11] <+Pennyroyal> Yoga is actually fantastic for relaxation
[12:16:13] <@Chimpertainment> yea
[12:16:13] <+Pennyroyal> at least for me.
[12:16:24] <@drunkanieb> Chimpertainment
[12:16:25] <@Chimpertainment> so i think we are honing in on something here, and that is muscle relaxation
[12:16:29] <@Chimpertainment> yes drunkanieb
[12:16:34] <+Pennyroyal> It was a part of a weekly exercise program I was doing. I didn't like it at first -- but i felt SO relaxed after. It became my favorite
[12:16:51] <@drunkanieb> I'm going afk for a bit but you can type /topic and your words to change the topic :)
[12:17:01] <@Chimpertainment> sweet, thnx! :)
[12:17:12] cheese: No such nick/channel
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[12:17:34] Chimpertainment [
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[12:17:40] <@Chimpertainment> yay
[12:17:50] <@Chimpertainment> anyways
[12:18:08] <@Chimpertainment> muscle relaxation
[12:19:06] <noeul55> Man
[12:19:15] <noeul55> I hate when I suddenly get into the transition aware
[12:19:18] <noeul55> when I dont want to.
[12:19:21] <@Chimpertainment> we have mental practices like (hypnosis, mantras, visualizations), physical practices like (muscle tightening/loosening, taking showers) and combinations of the two (yoga, meditation)
[12:19:59] <@Chimpertainment> anybody wanna add anything else?
[12:20:16] <noeul55> No.
[12:20:31] <Hathor28> maybe tiring yourself out lol
[12:20:35] <noeul55> oh
[12:20:37] <noeul55> ASMR
[12:20:41] <Hathor28> ?
[12:20:54] <noeul55> When you get much attention
[12:20:55] <Hathor28> whats that
[12:20:56] <noeul55> from a person
[12:20:59] <noeul55> I mean
[12:21:02] <noeul55> SEARCH ON INTERNET
[12:21:02] <noeul55> LOL
[12:21:05] <+Pennyroyal> o.O
[12:21:06] <noeul55> I can't explain xD
[12:21:11] <Hathor28> LOL
[12:21:21] <+Pennyroyal> Brings up random acronym - cant explain :P
[12:21:37] <Hathor28> asmr?
[12:21:47] <%Lucidis> !ud ASMR
[12:21:47] <Demonbot> Lucidis: "ASMR" could mean, "Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR) is a physical sensation characterized by a pleasurable tingling that typically begins in the head and scalp, and often moves down the spine and through the limbs.Also known as : AIHO (Attention induced head orgasm), AIE (Attention induced euphoria), or simply 'head orgasms'/'head tingles'," or, "An acronym for “Autonomous (1 more message)
[12:21:51] <@Chimpertainment> okie dokie...well that was our only planned topic, so its free for all at this point
[12:21:55] <noeul55> braingasm.
[12:22:05] <OmkAR> i have ASMR
[12:22:09] <noeul55> ME TOO
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[12:22:29] <%Lucidis> oh yeah orgasms might tire you out too
[12:22:29] <noeul55> EXACTLY
[12:22:36] <noeul55> LETS TALK ABOUT LUCID DAYDREAMING
[12:22:40] <noeul55> wut is that.
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[12:22:45] <OmkAR> i had my first spinegasm couple weeks ago
[12:22:51] <OmkAR> it started pulsating
[12:22:51] <OmkAR> it was so weird
[12:22:53] <Hathor28> ok
[12:22:55] <noeul55> I get stomachgasm.
[12:22:57] <%Lucidis> well my DDA technique could also be called lucid daydreaming
[12:23:01] <noeul55> I mean
[12:23:04] <noeul55> lungs gasm
[12:23:05] <noeul55> LOL
[12:23:10] <noeul55> But sometimes stomacvhgasm too.
[12:23:13] <noeul55> stomach*
[12:23:19] <OmkAR> like butterflies?
[12:23:25] <OmkAR> but it like. . . Pulsates?
[12:23:27] <Hathor28> dda ldd
[12:23:35] <noeul55> Yeah
[12:23:36] <noeul55> It's
[12:23:38] <noeul55> beating
[12:23:38] <%Lucidis> DDA = Daydream Awareness
[12:23:41] <noeul55> Idk how to explain xD
[12:23:42] <OmkAR> neato
[12:24:13] <Hathor28> ya
[12:24:40] <Hathor28> i love my LDD :) feels like a waken dream
[12:24:50] <noeul55> wut is that?
[12:25:00] <Hathor28> what u wanted to discuss
[12:25:04] <Hathor28> lol
[12:25:06] <noeul55> someone explain to me How Can I have a lucid daydream?
[12:25:07] <noeul55> :/
[12:25:17] <Hathor28> lucid daydream
[12:25:35] <Hathor28> its like
[12:25:35] <@Chimpertainment> practice
[12:25:40] <@Chimpertainment> day dreaming
[12:25:44] <Hathor28> over exposed daydream
[12:25:49] <%Lucidis> noeul55: can you daydream?
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[12:25:56] <noeul55> Of course.
[12:25:57] <@Chimpertainment> there is a way to become fully immersed in a daydream...
[12:26:00] <PostScript99> what did i miss
[12:26:05] <noeul55> OHH
[12:26:05] <PostScript99> my internet died
[12:26:06] <%Lucidis> okay, now daydream while maintaining your awareness
[12:26:06] <noeul55> I GET IT
[12:26:11] <noeul55> how?
[12:26:14] <noeul55> can I mantain?
[12:26:15] <noeul55> :/ it
[12:26:17] <Hathor28> i immerse lol
[12:26:17] <@Chimpertainment> PostScript99: we switched gears to free for all
[12:26:24] <PostScript99> ok so now its ldd
[12:26:28] <%Lucidis> practice noeul55
[12:26:30] <@Chimpertainment> yeah
[12:26:31] <noeul55> Like,your body is falling asleep
[12:26:36] <noeul55> and youre in the daydream
[12:26:37] <noeul55> thing
[12:26:42] <noeul55> But It's actually a dream
[12:26:45] <@Chimpertainment> lemme summarize what you missed
[12:26:47] <noeul55> Can someone gimme a link? xD
[12:26:50] <Hathor28> i sometimes close my eyes
[12:27:42] <Hathor28> for me its like meditation
[12:27:53] <@Chimpertainment> we narrowed down most sleeping issues to relaxation, especially muscle relaxation....we brain stormed some ideas to help with pre-sleep practices which were... we have mental practices like (hypnosis, mantras, visualizations), physical practices like (muscle tightening/loosening, taking showers) and combinations of the two (yoga, meditation)
[12:28:08] <@Chimpertainment> ^^^on topic chat summary
[12:28:09] <PostScript99> okay
[12:28:15] <@Chimpertainment> now we are freeeeeee
[12:28:17] <PostScript99>
http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...day-dream.html is the link to the LDD thread
[12:28:22] <Hathor28> ok
[12:28:26] <noeul55> Thank you.
[12:29:26] <@Chimpertainment> Are there any other pressing issues anybody wants to discuss?
[12:29:46] <@Chimpertainment> anything and everything is on the table..
[12:29:47] <@Chimpertainment> right now
[12:29:52] <@Chimpertainment> infinite
[12:29:52] <noeul55> I have no idea how to do it but is it easy?
[12:30:03] <PostScript99> gets easier with practice
[12:30:07] <@Chimpertainment> nothing is easy, unless you love to do that thing
[12:30:09] <noeul55> ...
[12:30:12] <PostScript99> first time is hardest
[12:30:14] <%Lucidis> noeul55: i think this is something you'll have to learn yourself
[12:30:18] <%Lucidis> just try
[12:30:37] <@Chimpertainment> go with something fun...explore where your daydream takes you...
[12:30:38] <noeul55> I dont know how.
[12:30:44] <noeul55> I just daydream?
[12:30:46] <noeul55> that's all?
[12:30:48] <PostScript99> its not as hard as everyone says it is though
[12:30:50] <noeul55> I do that every second
[12:31:28] <PostScript99> you daydream but you use it as a way to have controlled hallucinations, in a sense. It's different
[12:31:38] <PostScript99> than regular daydream
[12:31:42] <noeul55> ...
[12:31:50] <@Chimpertainment> from what I understand on that practice, the point is to daydream something while producing a sense of lucidity
[12:31:54] <@Chimpertainment> of that*
[12:31:55] <OmkAR> how clear is it though
[12:31:59] <PostScript99> Very clear
[12:32:11] <PostScript99> like LD, but not as...substantial
[12:32:21] <OmkAR> can you layout a chessboard and places the peices, and they will hold their positions by themselves, without you needing to memorize the layout?
[12:32:26] <@Chimpertainment> ive tried a few times, and after a while it morphs into a fully immersive experience
[12:32:33] <PostScript99> ^
[12:32:34] <@Chimpertainment> oh not this again omkar
[12:32:41] <%Lucidis> i guess people have different interpretations of daydreaming
[12:32:44] <OmkAR> yes,, THIS AGAIN
[12:32:49] <OmkAR> lol
[12:32:50] <noeul55> So I daydream
[12:32:50] <%Lucidis> i refuse to do this again
[12:32:50] <@Chimpertainment> nopre
[12:32:52] <noeul55> but like
[12:32:53] <@Chimpertainment> not this time
[12:32:55] <noeul55> very clear?
[12:33:06] <noeul55> And try to get immersed into that daydream?
[12:33:06] <PostScript99> no idea whats going on now
[12:33:09] <PostScript99> yes
[12:33:17] <@Chimpertainment> well think about what you do in regular dreams
[12:33:20] <@Chimpertainment> in a lucid dream
[12:33:26] <noeul55> Oh
[12:33:27] <@Chimpertainment> just reproduce that in a daydream
[12:33:28] <noeul55> Good.
[12:33:30] <noeul55> Okay.
[12:33:36] <noeul55> And I will somehow
[12:33:38] <PostScript99> dont expect it to be the same
[12:33:38] <noeul55> appear in it or wut?
[12:33:39] <noeul55> xD
[12:33:42] <OmkAR> my regular lucid dreams are as solid as waking life, you can place objects in positoins, and they will hold
[12:33:54] <OmkAR> even if you look away, when you lookback, it will be in the exact same position,
[12:33:59] <PostScript99> not here, they shift with your wandering mind, it takes some discipline
[12:34:10] <PostScript99> to hold a solid image
[12:34:16] <OmkAR> just like if i was to balance a pencil on the edge of my desk now, leave the room, and come back, and the pencil will still be balanced there
[12:35:14] <PostScript99> its a daydream, enough said
[12:35:22] <Hathor28> can one put their ldd in a LD?
[12:35:28] <PostScript99> Yes I have
[12:35:30] <Hathor28> i think so
[12:35:34] <noeul55> so you somehow get into the dream
[12:35:40] <noeul55> wut about your body?
[12:35:45] <noeul55> he's falling asleep?
[12:35:48] <PostScript99> I did it in a NLD once
[12:36:05] <@Chimpertainment> noeul55: have you heard of dream incubation?
[12:36:06] <Hathor28> i think i am dreaming of my daydreams XD
[12:36:13] <noeul55> Yup.
[12:36:15] <Hathor28> fragment-wise
[12:36:48] <@Chimpertainment> thats basically what ldd can be...its a way to produce a familiarity with your dreamscape
[12:36:52] <noeul55> Dream incubation seems hard for me.
[12:36:54] <@Chimpertainment> and up your chances of becoming lucid
[12:37:10] <@Chimpertainment> all you do is imagine a scene, and yourself becoming lucid
[12:37:16] <@Chimpertainment> then do whatever you like
[12:37:18] <@Chimpertainment> wherever
[12:37:21] <@Chimpertainment> with whoever
[12:37:48] <Hathor28> i can tell when my dream is just part of a daydream plot i made before lol
[12:38:23] <Hathor28> and it's just like a short 2min dream
[12:40:00] <@Chimpertainment> personally on this topic
[12:40:16] <@Chimpertainment> i find lucidis' tutorial more useful than the one previously posted
[12:40:21] <@Chimpertainment> this is the link
[12:40:22] <@Chimpertainment>
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...technique.html
[12:41:09] <Hathor28> yes i do all of that lol
[12:41:10] <%Lucidis> well the one previously posted was more talking about making a daydream reach the level of a real dream
[12:41:31] <%Lucidis> mine just talks about using daydreaming to train yourself for lucid dreaming
[12:41:33] <noeul55> Thank you for being patient with such a big head like me
[12:41:34] <noeul55> XD
[12:41:52] <@Chimpertainment> seems like the same idea
[12:41:58] <Hathor28> same thing
[12:42:35] <Hathor28> or using daydream to be put in a dream lol
[12:42:39] <@Chimpertainment> no worries noeul, there are plenty of big heads around here....me included
[12:42:46] <PostScript99> heard of dda but didnt know it was pretty much the same
[12:43:17] <%Lucidis> well i did use DDA once to achieve what that other thread was talking about
[12:43:27] <@Chimpertainment> i suppose i see a difference in day dreaming for the sake of having the best day dream possible and using daydreaming to affect night dreams...
[12:43:29] <%Lucidis> i was laying in bed while daydreaming for a long time
[12:43:46] <%Lucidis> and eventually it became a real dream i think
[12:43:56] <%Lucidis> i guess it's because i immersed myself in it so much
[12:43:57] <PostScript99> happens to me a lot ^
[12:44:08] <PostScript99> but I dont think its the same
[12:44:40] <@Chimpertainment> whenever i really daydream, i get to that full immersion point and my mind freaks out...i end up jerking my body or snapping my eyes open
[12:44:45] <PostScript99> sometimes my subc tricks me by making dreams out of daydreams
[12:45:05] <PostScript99> they feel exactly the same
[12:45:20] <@Chimpertainment> ya
[12:46:44] <PostScript99> now we seem to have exhasuted
[12:46:49] <PostScript99> that topic
[12:46:50] <@Chimpertainment> indeed
[12:46:53] <PostScript99> now what
[12:46:58] <@Chimpertainment> and its been almost an hour
[12:46:58] <@Chimpertainment> well
[12:47:06] <@Chimpertainment> if anybody has another topic we can discuss
[12:47:10] <@Chimpertainment> id bbe happy to
[12:47:22] <@Chimpertainment> otherwise ima burn this mofo down
[12:47:30] <PostScript99> one more thing
[12:47:38] <@Chimpertainment> go for it
[12:47:54] <PostScript99> sometimes i feel like theres a barrier when i try to get lucid
[12:48:13] <PostScript99> and when I do its really a forceful entry and i feel like im blasting my way through a brick wall
[12:48:17] <PostScript99> normal?
[12:48:27] <@Chimpertainment> yep
[12:48:40] <PostScript99> rlly?
[12:48:49] <@Chimpertainment> that reminds me of a dream somebody had
[12:48:59] <@Chimpertainment> they re-entered their dream in a wild three times
[12:49:13] <@Chimpertainment> just by pushing it
[12:49:28] <PostScript99> no comprendo
[12:49:37] <PostScript99> pushing it?
[12:49:39] <@Chimpertainment> well
[12:49:40] <@Chimpertainment> willpower
[12:50:01] <PostScript99> thats how I used to stabilize my dreams
[12:50:01] <@Chimpertainment> basically using brute force or willpower to produce the lucidity
[12:50:22] <PostScript99> and i used to chain lucids that way until i found out there was a better way
[12:50:23] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, whatever works
[12:50:34] <PostScript99> thats basically it
[12:50:41] <@Chimpertainment> that could have to do with expectations as well
[12:51:03] <@Chimpertainment> if you expect it to be difficult, the mind could be producing resistance
[12:51:11] <PostScript99> usually its easy
[12:51:18] <@Chimpertainment> hmm
[12:51:42] <@Chimpertainment> maybe just a pocket of resistance then...
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[12:51:48] <@Chimpertainment> one thing you might try...
[12:51:57] <PostScript99> it always happens on long micro wbtb chains
[12:52:02] <@Chimpertainment> if you are forcing the lucidity, chances are you already have some bit of awareness
[12:52:09] <@Chimpertainment> ah
[12:52:30] <@Chimpertainment> yea, so just relaxing, and focusing your awareness inwardly will probably work
[12:52:42] <PostScript99> oh ok
[12:53:04] <@Chimpertainment> the dream is you...so using any understanding or expectation of external control will make it harder
[12:53:20] <@Chimpertainment> it can be done
[12:53:26] <PostScript99> well bye everyone im off to the forums
[12:53:30] <@Chimpertainment> but in my experience, the mind continues to up the resistance
[12:53:33] <@Chimpertainment> okie dokie
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[12:53:40] <@Chimpertainment> well thanks for coming peoples
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