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Glad to be onboard and have a little "formal" learning. |
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Last edited by camdave; 02-23-2014 at 06:19 PM.
Welcome to intro class, Camdave! From my experience and also observations around the forum, wbtb is a great method to help you achieve lucidity! Wish you success with on your ld induction path! If you have any questions, feel free to ask here or in the http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-class/145523-raise-your-hand-intro-class-q.html thread. |
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Thanks I just have a couple of questions at the moment - no better time to ask them than during a WBTB period! |
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Here is some brief info about sleep cycles and recall. First of all, we tend to naturally wake after the end of each cycle, which finishes with REM. Some people are aware of these moments, while others are not. In the beginning of the night we experience more N-REM phases and REM sleep is shorter, we sleep deeper, so it may be hard to become aware of those micro-awakenings. As the night progresses and we become well rested, REM cycles become longer and our natural wakes might be more noticeable. Also, while there is a tendency to state that each sleep cycle lasts 90 mins, the truth is this is an average and they can vary between 70 and 120 mins, therefore it can be hard to exactly pinpoint the time where one cycle ends and the other one begins. |
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Thanks for your reply I tried a "natural" WBTB last night and found that I woke up quite naturally after roughly 5 hours 45 minutes of sleep - does this necessarily correspond to the end of an REM cycle? I was under the impression that you generally awaken during the first NREM stage in between cycles, in a phase of light sleep. In this case I stayed up for 15 minutes and tried to WILD, but lost focus and dropped off! When I woke up I had zero recollection of the last dreaming but, but as I was going to work I got into my car and remembered the dream - I dream a LOT about driving and being in cars, so I'm now taking more care to be aware in the vehicle and notice all the small details. |
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Last edited by camdave; 02-24-2014 at 09:12 PM.
Hope the pics upload properly. Unfortunately, some of these hypnograms would to put the wake up point at different places of mostly REM (possibly because it varies?) which can be so confusing if you are a lucid dreamer! |
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Last edited by NyxCC; 02-25-2014 at 02:18 AM.
Thanks for the pictures - that's cleared it up. Last night my sleeping followed it almost to a tee - I went to bed at 10:20 pm and then had awakenings at 1:32, 4:58 (dream recall) and then awoke at 6:14 (also with dream recall). I've been experimenting with different time periods during wake (I go and re-read a few dreams from the journal and highlight dream signs, and come onto these forums or read up about the awareness techniques) - last night I tries just going straight back to bed and it didn't seem to help. Next time, I shall force myself to get up and go to the bathroom or have a sip of water in the kitchen to try to prompt the conscious into activity. At 4:58 for example, I really struggled just to force myself to write down the time at which I woke up and a couple of lines for later dream recall! It's progress though, as a couple of weeks ago I would have just dropped straight back to sleep |
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Thanks for your replies; it's good to be able to discuss these things and pick the brains of people with experience! Wall of text incoming . . . |
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Last edited by camdave; 02-26-2014 at 07:58 AM.
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Well congrats on the awesome night of dreaming! |
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Last edited by NyxCC; 02-26-2014 at 11:29 PM.
I posted a reply this morning but it didn't seem to go through - did my RCs at the time and I don't think I was dreaming |
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Last edited by NyxCC; 02-28-2014 at 12:52 AM.
Thanks for pointing out the SSILD technique - I hadn't come across it before. I gave it a go last night but haven't been successful for the past 3 days in dream recall; I seem to wake up with nothing in my mind, not even a small fragment. I've been a bit busy at work and my wife came home last night from abroad so maybe I was more distracted than usual; when I woke up after 5 hours sleep last night, for example, I did a few SSILD cycles and fell asleep straight away! |
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Thanks for the kind words; I'm starting to realise just how much of an impact the mental state has on the success (or not) of dream recollection and lucid dreaming. When I woke up in the morning, I just instantly thought "I can't remember anything!" in a panic as recollection usually comes immediately to mind, like a short-term memory. This morning when I woke up I made an effort to just let the mind wander and pick up the fragments of what I'd been dreaming about, and I recalled five dreams of which I think one was a continuation of an earlier dream after a brief awakening. Unfortunately no lucidity, but I did question the situation a few times without following it up with a reality check. |
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I've had good recall recently but haven't made it back into the lucid state. I've been busy at work and so have been slacking a little on the all-day awareness, but I had a relatively light day of work today (and not very much sleep last night) so hopefully tonight will be a good one. I almost had a nap when I got home as my wife isn't in this evening! |
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Well, I'm not much into napping, but from what I've read - you usually go straight into REM when napping. I guess this would hold mostly if you had a decent amount of sleep prior to that. For me it, takes way too long to fall asleep to be able to take any advantage of any benefits. There are lots of dreamers that say napping is very conductive for lding. You might want to ask Gab or Scionox regarding their nap routine for more info on how they usually do it. |
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Well good news to report, and a wall of text to go with it! Again, my recall has been pretty good over the last couple of days and I've settled more into a rhythm of questioning reality and performing reality checks regularly during the day, and then at night time hoping for a M/DILD early on and then waking up about 5-6 hours into the night to attempt a WILD. For this I set an alarm, but I've not yet had to use it as either I or my wife wake up throughout the night anyway. |
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Last edited by camdave; 03-08-2014 at 09:27 AM.
That's fantastic, congrats on the lds and the successful chaining, Camdave! |
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Apologies for the lack of updates! It's been busy recently at work and with my wife home I'm no longer allowed to set my alarm in the middle of the night, so I've had a few nights of sleeping completely through. I'm trying to change my schedule a little at the moment to fit this - changing my mantra to wake up after each dream and drinking water to get around the no-alarm rule |
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Hey Camdave, nice to see you around again! |
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Thank you, as ever, for your replies. I've had better recall over the last few days but nothing lucid as yet - I'm banned from setting an alarm in the night by my wife so I've had to be a bit more creative and drink plenty of water before bed instead, but it's a little unreliable for timings! |
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