Been trying WILD ( help needed )

Hi everyone, 1st post. :D

Anyway, Been interested in the concept of Lucid Dreaming for quite some time so recently i've decided to give it a go using the WILD technique but I'm having some difficulties.

I lay in the position I always lay in to fall asleep, I don't move a muscle and I can feel some of the tests begin to occur as I get the odd itch and the urge to wiggle my toes. After this stage keep laying still but I can never tell if I'm SP so I just stick with it anyway. So I begin to count in my head when I breath until it becomes 2nd nature to me as I lay there.

After this I begin to dose in and out of preculiar thoughts which seem to make a hell of alot of sence when I'm having these thoughts but when I snap out of it I can never remember what I was thinking about, after this I begin to see shapes forming and morphing into other shapes for several minutes. Then nothing, I'm wide awake, can't sleep and quite disappointed.

I'm not quite sure what's happening when I'm having these thoughts and seeing these shapes, any help would be very much appreciated.

Hi, welcome to DV! (:

It seems like you're close to successfully WILDing, since you're thinking strange thoughts and seeing shapes. Once you get to this stage, try to imagine a dream scenario around you and imagine tactile/auditory sensations, but don't forget the fact that you're probably now almost in the dream.

I'm not an expert when it comes to WILDing, but from what I've read from others it sounds like you're headed in the right direction. Seeing images and hearing sounds is part of the process of "falling into a dream" for a lot of people, so at that point just remember to relax and allow yourself to keep going into the dream. Don't forget to remind yourself that you're dreaming, though, or you might just forget. :)

As far as random thoughts that don't make sense when you're fully awake, you're not alone there :) I've definitely had dreams where while I'm dreaming everything makes perfect sense and/or everything's really exciting, but then I wake up and write it down or try to explain it to someone else and it just loses its luster. Funny how that works...

Thanks for the help guys, hopefuly have my first Lucid Dream soon. :)

Do everything you can to encourage that state where you are witnessing weird thoughts. That is the state you want to hold yourself in. Wait there until one of the thoughts becomes tangible enough to become a full dream. Sometimes you will have to bounce in and out of that state a few times before you can fully enter a dream. Don't become impatient. A lot of the timing is based on biology, and out of your control. You just have to wait for it. Imagine you are just waiting for the movie to start. You know it will be starting. You just have to watch the previews first.

A trick that I do is just try to fall asleep until I start seeing those weird images. Then when those images pop up I try to look at them and focus on them with my eyes just like I were trying to look at something real. This seems to fool
my brain into thinking I am already asleep because I seem to "believe in" those hallucinations by following them with my eyes. Then my brain gives the signal to go ahead and sleep and I go into SP and then a dream.