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Man the LD counters on some members are crazy. Like 2000 or something. I have question for those members. Is there a certain way you go about having LD?(I don't mean solely on technique. Because the techniques aren't 100% for everyone) Or is it all by luck? I'm trying to have my first LD and am trying to get advice for the pros here. Thanks.
Simply dedication.
If one have this kind of success, you can surely assume that he worked hard enough.
Thats not crazy... most naturals have 10k+ anyway.
What I do for LDing is RC simply, but when I RC will do it for extended periods of time (One RC for two or more hours), been trying to get back in shape and do the all-day one, but forget due to school.
Also, I learned to LD whitout the aid of tuts or the kind, just in case.
So are RC's more beneficiaries to have a LD then say are Dream Journals? I find it crazy because you can only have 1 dream a night. I would lose count after like 15 days. I do believe that you guy's have had that amount though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
Where did you get this faulty information? Try dozens or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
What do you mean? Unless you sleep more than once a day. You can only dream once a night.Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
This is interesting, Walms. I never thought about doing a RC that lasts a long time. I'll sure give it a try tomorrow, thanks for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
What ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
We can have dozens of dreams every night, it depends on how much you sleep and your REM period. Each sleep cycle, usually, lasts for 90 minutes, the REM starts with like 10 or 15 minutes - or a little more - and can be of 1 hour length in the last sleep cycle.
Yea last night I can remember that I had at least 6 dreams. And the last one had to have been like 30 minutes long and the one before that was pretty long. So we definatly dream more than once a night, but it might seem like its all put togther. In reality its all during seperate rem periods.
No, this is not even remotely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
This calls for an emoticon.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
:wtf:
I have filled my quota for the year.
Lmao! It's dedication, and some people here are natural LDers, too. :)
How do you RC for two hours or even a whole day? Wich one do you use? :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
His patented Awareness o' Gravity method, of course. It's actually quite ingenious, the way he puts constant focus on the feel of his weight.
That is 10000000% false.... where did you read that false information? We have at least 4-5 REM dreams every night..Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
Not really better than DJ or any other technique, that is just the way I do it. But yeah, for me RC beats other techniques.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
Ah, that must be one of the problems! Truth to be told though, before someone pointed the cycle stuff to me, I would think the same, that 1 night = 1 dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
lol patented? But yeah, this is the one I use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzzkc
Yeah, most naturals have just been conditioned into having them, over the years. Of course there is some dedication involved, though. I almost lost my ability, when I was growing up, but I got interested again, when I found DV. My LD count is just since my time here, but you can see how people who have been doing it, since they were children, can have had 1,000's of lucid dreams.
And the bit about only 1 dream a night is completely false. I've logged 8+ dreams in a night, and I know there are people here who have had more. :)
I use methods and reality checks, every now and then - not as much as I should, I suppose. Lol. But most of mine are just because of awareness of a strange or intense situation, within the dream.
I rarely use MILD.
99% of my lucids have been through DILD, basically being skeptical as to whether or not I could be dreaming... Like right now... Hmm...
Have any tutorial about it here? It's pretty interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
What are you talking about? Do you go to sleep 4-5 times a night? Unless you are woken 4-5 times a night. I couldn't see anyone having 4-5 dreams a night.Quote:
Originally Posted by rynkrt3
Read up on REM cycles. Being woken up in the middle of the night has nothing to with it. When you sleep you have phases of sleep and cycles of sleep. You enter different phases at different times and might go through a sleep cycle over and over again in one night. During parts of these cycles in some of the phases, you dream. REM sleep is the phase where dreaming is most prevelant. Since this process repeats itself you can enter a dream state and leave it and enter a dream state and leave many times in one night without ever being woken up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
I believe you have been misinformed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
You go through an REM cycle, approximately every 90 minutes, and they get longer, the more hours you sleep. And it is possible to have more than one dream during an REM cycle.
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This might help:
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Yeah, sure. If you want to keep hiting the same key... ok then.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
Sleep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.ultracrepidate.com/wp-con...leep_cycle.jpg
Not on DV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallz
I count my dreams by the number of times I wake up during the night, always thought everyone wakes several times/day, but don't remember, just like with recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
Post the link please. (or PM me)Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
Actually everyone wakes up and goes to sleep 4 to 5 times a night. You just dont remember it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
You wake up after every REM periode. That is how someone can DEILD.
Oh I understand now. I just didn't get it before. So we do this subconsciously? I understand now. Thanks for the info.
You usually wake up only for a few moments, I believe, so most people don't remember. After all, they're half-asleep. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
Haven't you recalled more than one dream a night sometime before?
I suppose I have before.
I was reading a magazine article the other day and the author said that he has had at least 15,000 lucid dreams and doesn't bother to keep count anymore. Walms, two hours on a reality check, that's dedication! The most I've had in one night is four and I'm working on a method that promises multiple lucid dreams every night without the need for reality checks, just pure awareness. Oh, as others have said, I wrote in my dream journal today four dreams recalled from last night.
Read up on REM cycles. Being woken up in the middle of the night has nothing to with it. When you sleep you have phases of sleep and cycles of sleep. You enter different phases at different times and might go through a sleep cycle over and over again in one night. During parts of these cycles in some of the phases, you dream. REM sleep is the phase where dreaming is most prevelant. Since this process repeats itself you can enter a dream state and leave it and enter a dream state and leave many times in one night without ever being woken up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
I... agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikole957
Can you tell more about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
Almost.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikole957
The end of every cycle is accompanied by an awakening that typically last only a short while. Most people don't remember it, but it's possible train yourself to recognize each one. That training is typically done for WBTBs, DEILDs and the like.
It's also important to note the lengthening of the REM phase as the night goes on. I believe a chart was already posted on this thread, yeah?
Is this gravity thing a type of reality check, or a dream sign for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
Looking at your journal, it looks like you nearly always have false awakenings. Damn, wish I did. >.<
Either you are born with the gift to LD that frequently or you don't and to get around the 100s you'd need extra help like the REMDreamer I think or some other method like WILD maybe if you can master it. DILDs can get you around 10 per year if you are really good at it but don't expect it to get to 100s per year. Not to say I'm jelous but those high figures may be exagerated, no way to find out for sure so don't be discouraged by frequency it's the memory of what you dreamt that really counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBlonde
IMJ
I am sure you are right in some respects. But for those that focus on improving DILD/MILD skills I say it can be learned effectively. When at the top of my game I can DILD pretty often, far more than 10 per year, but I have never used a REM dreamer or other such device and certainly am not naturally gifted. (I have had just about every major and many minor obstacles in LDing and still have many to overcome.)Quote:
Originally Posted by imj
And I said...Quote:
Originally Posted by nikole957
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Originally Posted by MrBlonde
A reality check, but I'm more interested in knowing, where did you read my DJ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTransitory
I discovered it on mortal mist. The only reason I visited the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
Ah ok, found it strange since I don't have a DJ here lol
I'm doing the paperwork as I speak and then I will put it through its test phase and if its worthwhile I'll be sharing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucious
Yeah, I'm not particularly sure how I knew it was on mm, however. Nor what mm was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
What is mortal mist? Sorry to hijack.
Uh, another LDing site you can't link to in DV, I would delete that link if I were you lol
Oh, sorry. May I ask why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
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Originally Posted by mikeac
because Alex is afraid of the mist
Because linking to rival LD sites is against forum rules.
Ok thanks.
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Originally Posted by MrBlonde
Well, my LD count isn't that big because I've lucid dreamed for only a year and I haven't counted my all LDs so the count isn't precise. Also, I can have a DILD on will. The problem is to be willing :cheeky:.Quote:
Either you are born with the gift to LD that frequently or you don't and to get around the 100s you'd need extra help like the REMDreamer I think or some other method like WILD maybe if you can master it. DILDs can get you around 10 per year if you are really good at it but don't expect it to get to 100s per year. Not to say I'm jelous but those high figures may be exagerated, no way to find out for sure so don't be discouraged by frequency it's the memory of what you dreamt that really counts.
IMJ
Let me explain: I sometimes get this feeling, it's like 'How wouldn't I know when I'm dreaming? Lucid dreaming is an easy thing!'. It always results in a DILD. So I read this thread yesterday before going to sleep and decided that I'd have a lucid dream next time I go to sleep. I went to sleep and woke up at around 4.00 am. No lucid dream. 'Damn, I must focus on this!', I thought and fell asleep and did have a DILD.
As far as I know, all (or most) naturals' LDs are DILDs.
God I wish I were you. I suck at having vivd dreams let alone LD's. When did you know you we're a natural?Quote:
Originally Posted by Recidul