I'm new on here and not exactley sure as to what Lucid Dreaming is exactley.
Everyone I have asked say it's a bunch of voodoo or sorcery or witchcraft.
I'm fasinated with this, but I want to know if the information I have acquired is accurate?
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I'm new on here and not exactley sure as to what Lucid Dreaming is exactley.
Everyone I have asked say it's a bunch of voodoo or sorcery or witchcraft.
I'm fasinated with this, but I want to know if the information I have acquired is accurate?
I don't know who you asked about it :uhm:
It's being aware that you're dreaming. That's it. Try reading the information on the front page, and the tutorials on here, there's a lot of helpful information.
Hahaha!! That's too funny,
Lucid dreaming is knowing that you are dreaming. and from there you can control your dreams and do whatever you want.
Just be aware that this realisation-in-Dreaming is often fleeting, lasting a few seconds or less before you forget again and get dragged into a normal dream storyline or wake up.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakotahnok
Urban mythbusting time: lucid dream "control" is much much more difficult to do than normal dream "control"... a modicum can take decades.. and you'll NEVER reach a stage where you can do "whatever you want".Quote:
Originally Posted by dakotahnok
Lol where do you get this?? I can do pretty much anything i want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
"... pretty much anything I want" is NOT "whatever you want." Next you'll be saying "Well, usually I can do pretty much anything I want.." and so on and so on, until "Sometimes I can do pretty much anything I want.." Do you get the picture? If you had more age/experience, you wouldn't make such sweeping statements. The fact that you think it's easy calls you out, plus the fact that you modified your original statement and probably will continue to do so. ;)
@ Oneiro:If you believe that you CAN'T do whatever you want, OBVIOUSLY you won't do whatever you want. Controling dreams is just about believing that it's possible, making your own reality's nature to allow simply everything. All in all, it's just a dream, it's your thoughts happening around you.
@ DramingDove : Welcome to DreamViews, and I hope you enjoy your stay in the forum!
I really can't stand people like you. My only restriction is when I wake up. But in the dream I can summon whatever I want. Use whatever power I want. Transform into anything I want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
Give me a task and I'll guarantee you that I will do it within a week.
You my dear sir have no idea what your talking about. Do some research before you run your mouth.
Also I was saying that if you try hard enough you can do whatever you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
Then you made an ignorant remark, so I replied by saying that I ca do whatever I want to.
The two statements were not related. So way to prove me wrong.
Oh one more thing.
The fact that you think that it's hard calls you out. Of course some people have mental blocks that stop them with some dream control but most of them can bypass that.Quote:
The fact that you think it's easy calls you out
I definitely have enough experience, I might be young but it appears as though I'm a hell of a lot more smarter than you when it comes to this topic.Quote:
If you had more age/experience, you wouldn't make such sweeping statements.
Dakotah speaks the truth. Your only restrictions are your preconceptions.
When I become lucid I stay lucid for awhile. I only fall back into a non-lucid if it's been several minutes and the dream scenery has changed a few times. But I guess that comes with practice and experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
What exactly is "normal dream control"? Usually anyone who talks about dream control does so in the context of lucid dreaming. I don't know anyone who claims to have any sort of dream control in their non-lucid dreams. Also...a modicum can take decades? You'll NEVER reach such a stage? Who is the one making sweeping generalizations? After reading your post, I was very surprised to see that you've been a member of this forum for several years. Your comments seem like something a newb with little lucid dreaming experience would make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
What comes with practice and experience is the realisation that you can never "do anything you want" and the fact that you can't always get much control. Of course, I had forgotten people like you, aquanina and dakota, who are obviously really brilliant at it and never ever have any problems with it.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
That's not true in my experience. Most people here who brag about it do not show evidence that shows up to scrutiny. Read the DJs- lots of normal dreaming with bundles of "superpowers" but barely any LDing, and as for "control"? Don't make me laugh. You kids are full of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
That doesn't surprise me, being that the internet has plenty of info on "dream incubation". Get reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
Yes, a modicum can take decades. Not everyone can be as obviously brilliant as you two so obviously are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
And yes, you'll never reach a stage where you can do "anything you want", which was dakota's original claim. I note that he subsequently changed this statement to "pretty much anything I want" which is a million miles away from the original statement.
Hey! You just wrote my last comment for me! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
Ditto. BS and downright lies get right up my nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakotahnok
So that's what you mean by "do whatever you want"? Transformation? Superpowers? Summoning? That's the easy stuff you're talking about, not the hard stuff. That's what kids do.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakotahnok
Ha! You're full of it.. you can't guarantee anything.. this is the internet, you know, the place for posing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dakotahnok
Blimey! That's TWO psychic LDers who wrote my last comment for me! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by dakotahnok
Hey DramingDove, :welcome: to DreamViews.
Welcome DramingDove! As you see, lucid dreaming is completely normal and not related at all to anything like witchcraft. Just remember, it's all in your head :poof:
My response was certainly not to imply my brilliance, which I would never do, but merely to offer my own perspective for any lucid dreaming newbies who might be discouraged by your overgeneralization that one will never be able to do anything they want or exert much control during their LDs. Perhaps you have discovered that you are unable to gain much control in your lucids, and mistakenly assume that everyone is going to have this problem. And I'm sure a lot of people will, especially newbs...but for the most part, the lucid dreamers I know who are at least somewhat experienced are typically able to control their dreams quite well. Of course, it would be unwise for either of us to make the assumption that our experiences speak for anyone other than ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
Could you give specific examples of who these people are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
By normal dreaming, you mean non-lucid dreaming, correct? Do you mean they have superpowers in their non-lucid dreams or lucid dreams? I'm not sure I follow you. By "barely any LDing", do you just mean to say that the majority of their dreams are non-lucid? I've read plenty of lucid dreams from people on this forum who exert varying amounts of control in their LDs, why do you assume that they all lack control or are "full of it"? Basically, why such cynicism?
Also...if you're going to refer to everyone here as kids, then I hope at least you are an old man.
I'm familiar with Dream Incubation. Perhaps your definition of dream control is different...but it refers to the ability to control various aspects of your dream from within the dream. It requires a certain level of lucidity. Dream Incubation is not equivalent to dream control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
Has it occurred to you that perhaps you are just a slow learner? I think the only thing that is obvious, is that people are going to learn at a varying pace. Some are naturals, some might learn very quickly, some might learn more slowly. Why insist that it will take a very long time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
@ Oneiro: I'm not experienced at this, but I think that you had problems because of your pessimism. And passing your pessimism for newbies is just ridiculous, everybody learns in a different way and speed.
maybe dakota and aquanina learn fast because they were really optimistic and self-confident(at least more than you, obviously)
Onerio: I was sure you were trolling after reading your first post, then I checked your joindate and it got me thinking. You're probably just a slow learner and the way you're thinking limits your progress even further.
Gj trying to tell people what Lucid Dreaming is and what can, and can not be done, based on your own bad experiences with it.
Nice spelling.. good start..Quote:
Originally Posted by Matte87
Where did I ever write that it was difficult for me? Go back and read properly my first post. You're jumping to conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matte87
The way I'm thinking? After 36 years of adult LDing? How old are you, btw? 18? What the **** do you know about it/me? Nothing.
Again.. what are you on about? My bad experiences with it? You're making this up as you go along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matte87
If you're trying to say that I should keep quiet if what I think goes against the grain, you can go jump in the nearest fjord.
Here we go.. another expert..Quote:
Originally Posted by LostInMind
You're confusing pessimism with cynicism. Never been pessimistic about LDing, just cynical about young people who pose on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostInMind
Maybe they haven't learnt anything but just think they have? Maybe they're full of ****? Maybe they're LD gods? Please do tell me..Quote:
Originally Posted by LostInMind
.. and if you think that honesty doesn't help the "noobs", well..
Wow you are one angry person. I figured you must have had bad experiences with it based on the negativity towards the possibilities a lucid dream actually has.
If you want to preach about how hard lucid dreaming is, and how limited we really are in a dream (which depends on the mindset) then go do it in another section of the forums. People who are new to this don't need to hear anything but what IS possible. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, some people might never even be able to get lucid, but as you might know (I sure hope you do), belief is very important when it comes to Lucid Dreaming.
Quote Oneiro: "And yes, you'll never reach a stage where you can do "anything you want"."
I can't believe the inanity of this question. Do you realise what you're saying? Anything and everything you want? Sheesh..Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
But hey! <mammoth realisation> Can you get me next week's lottery numbers? ;)
That is complete crap. Way back, I vehemently refuted the possibility and didn't believe in it AT ALL. Then came my first LD without even believing in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matte87
Get some experience lad.;)
Wow once again. I'm speechless. I guess all the methods based on belief is total crap. I'm off to bed and I'm 100% sure I won't have a LD tonight. In fact, I'll just throw Lucid Dreaming out the window, since by your logic that makes more sense than actually trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
Also, if you misunderstood me, I didn't say belief plays the ONLY part when it comes to inducing them, but it sure as hell makes it alot easier. Same with control, length, stability. Anything.
I suggest you act your age and use the experience you have (supposedly) to do some good instead of being a douche.
As I said, and everybody in this forum said BUT you, dreams are just what you think they are. If you are incapable of doing something in your dreams, it doesn't mean that everybody has this problem.
And, don't act like you are superior to me, you don't know me, judging me by your capabilities is just being stupid.
Don't act like you know everything about it, don't act like you are the king of the dreams and PLEASE, for God's sake, get a life, you are being ridiculous.
oh, and keep being preposterous like this and you'll get a beautiful ban, or something like that.
Oneiro, I agree with everyone that's come back at you. I'll not repeat their arguments.
But anyways, let's stop scaring the OP and do something useful.
DramingDove: As said before, it's simply the realization that you are in a dream. Once you realize it, the awareness pretty much makes you conscious. Which is why you then have the ability to take control of the dream. The way I would define "control" is something like "consciously making decisions in your thoughts". So if you slot that all together, you'll understand why Lucid Dreaming is a very real and possible thing.
Control is only a possibility in lucid dreams, you aren't magically able to know that you have the ability to control is, which is why a lot of people who don't understand Lucid Dreaming will end up just going along with what is happening. They will make slight decisions, but nothing which amounts to your normal perception of control.
Anyways, I hope you understand it, and I hope you decide to try it. It is such an amazing feeling to have that awareness in a dream, even if you don't take full potential of control. Somehow you still get an amazing sensation. But taking control is just truly amazing. The biggest cliche, yet my favourite thing; flying. It just feels so good to be in the air with the wind against your face and a slight feeling of a G-force in your stomache.
Oneiro, my friend, you are simply incorrect. There isn't a single thing I have set out to do in a lucid dream that I haven't accomplished. You absolutely can do anything you want in a dream. Some things take practice and bit of understanding when it comes to the dream world, but anything is possible. I have done many seemingly impossible things such as being two different people at once in a lucid dream. Each one of my bodies having their own perspective and both performing separate tasks with zero interference or distraction from one another. I have enhanced my eye sight to the level of a predatory bird or better. Not zooming in, but actually enhancing my eye sight around 100x's that of a normal human being. Those are just a couple of examples. I am sorry if you haven't reached the level of control in which you desire, but practice makes perfect. The only basis you have for your theories is your own experiences. Everyone's mind works differently and every dreams differently as well. I believe that there is no single task that cannot be accomplished in a lucid dream, because I have yet to find something I couldn't complete.
As far as length is concerned, my LDs on average last for hours+ (dream time...meaning, they feel like they last for hours). Please calm yourself and just let it go. Agree to disagree and kindly move on. Thank you.
I hate arguments on the internet. Its funny watching that crap. Can we please just be mature and not have such negative attitudes. The OP asked what lucid dreaming was, and that's the only answer one should give. He didn't ask the opposite.
I think I might see what you were trying to say Oneiro. I don't want to put words into your mouth, but you reminded me of something I'm often curious about. Sometimes it seems like the more lucid I am, the less direct control I have. In fact, sometimes I try to back off my awareness a bit when I want to do more fantastic things.
It seems to me like there are two kinds of control. When I am in that "hyper real" kind of lucid dream where I have all my waking memories, I am actively thinking, and need to actively and logically control the dream. I need to think of exactly what I want to do, and then make it happen. This kind of control requires a tight hold on my lucidity.
When my awareness is lighter and more superficial, it is easier to exert passive control. I can just keep a goal in my mind, and expect the dream to bend towards it. It is much easier, and the results are almost always surprising. I will influence the dream without exerting any direct control, just a whim or a hope. This kind of control seems to be easier when I am less lucid, less logical, and more likely to accept bizarre dream occurrences.
When I want to do something crazy, I will normally try to do it passively. I will give up a bit of my lucidity and logical expectations, and try to just influence the dream with my will and expectations.
In either case, I think everyone will agree that dream control and lucidity are two separate, but related things.
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Originally Posted by Aquanina
Maybe that's where the confusion is. When Aquanina says anything is possible, she's talking about in the dream. Obviously you can't get the lottery numbers for real life from a dream, just like you can't learn the ability to fly in real life from a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneiro
And enough with the little condescending "winks" after every statement. It'd be nice to have an intelligent discussion without the puerility.