Shadow Person

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Originally posted by Shadow Person
hello. can someone help me? my LDs are starting to scare me.

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Somehow your question got mixed up in the middle of another post.
I thought you would like to address it directly.

What exactly is scaring you Shadow Person?

First Remember NO physical harm can come to you during a lucid dream. And when it comes to night mares when you are lucid you have control of your actions. Therefore you are wearing the pants in your deam. You are in control. Don't take any crap.

PM me if you have any questions :)

i see blood, peoples faces as they get murdered, and i cant change what im dreaming! then the other night i dreamed i got cut on my shoulder and the next morning i had a cut there. i am afraid to dream.

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Originally posted by ShadowPerson
i see blood, peoples faces as they get murdered, and i cant change what im dreaming! then the other night i dreamed i got cut on my shoulder and the next morning i had a cut there. i am afraid to dream.

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Hi shadow.
These are Lucid dreams?? --- If they are shadow, you can learn to gain control. It may be hard. I have had some hurtles that I did not think I could over come in my lucid dreams. People would say, Well you are lucid, you say you can control things, just change it. Well your subconscious has to truely believe you can. This has to be worked on outside of your dreaming.
As far as the cut. Most of the time our bodies shut of our motor functions in our sleep so we do not act out our dreams. Sometimes there are always exceptions. Actully sleep paralysis is the opposite. The signal doesn't get across fast enough, and there you are paralyized.
If this is not a lucid dream I could only say that if there are any pressing issiues in your waking life that you try to address them. Pent up anxiety and other things can come out in our dreams.
PM me if you have questions. I will try to help.

Howetzer

thanks for trying to help me. i am lucid doring the dreams.i need this to stop im not sleeping much and my parents are starting to notice that im sleepy alot. i havent told them about LDs or this site. im starting to think what i see mite be more then dreams.......is it posible i see real things in my dreams? like stuff that has happend, is happing,or will happen? im really confused.

Hey Shadowperson.

Welcome to DV's first of all.
Your dreams are very interesting.. Howetzer is correct you may need to serach within your waking life for any issues that may provoke these types of dreams..Try to relieve any pressures in your life. It just sounds like that there maybe somethings in your waking life that may be triggering these types of dreams..But being Lucid in your dreams gives you an excellent advantage and utimately changes this scenerio to your out of the norm nightmare. Unlike regular dreaming nightmares you can change this around and take control over the dream content. Im talking full control over what you see and what is done to you. Never be fearful in your LD's because your mode of motivation for control is depleted. Gain your confidence within and pull that out. Turn your fear into anger! Because I would be pissed if I was having dreams on that level like you. So what Im saying is within your dreams GET PISSED> and take control. Don't expose fear because your mind will play on that and that will only make it worse. I wish you luck Shadow..
And if you ever need to speak with me also you are more than welcome to PM me too. See ya around buddy. :goodjob2:

I just PMed you, Shadow, but I thought I'd add my 2 bits. ShadowNightWing brought up a good point on how emotions can be used in a lucid dream, but some may be better than others. Anger often comes with focus and determination, but there are other ways to strengthen your resolve. I practically never have nightmares any more (though I've had my share of disturbing dreams) so I'm not 100% sure on all the techniques one could use.

However, there's one thing I've always wanted to try and I'm positive it could help. When you see something you don't like, just yell out "STOP!" or "FREEZE!" Then everything around you should stop so that you have time to sort out what to do next. You could turn and walk away, but I may suggest taking a closer look. It may be hard, but try looking at individual parts of the dream. How are people being murdered? What do the people look like? Do you know them? It's the small details that are more often the reflections of our daily lives. I don't think that these are premonition dreams. I don't doubt that such dreams exist, but I don't believe that they happen as often as people say they do.

At any rate, please feel free to send me a message if you would like to talk further and would feel more comfortable with a private conversation. I'll pray for you and I hope that we can all work together to help you.

-Ame

Thanks for all of your help. no i dont know the people in my dreams but freezing the dream will be easy...

I hope you find a solution one way or another. There are some great people here, i hope dreamviews will bring some peace to your dreams. Let me offer my thoughts...

I think you should accept nightmares as part of yourself, no matter how strange they are. Believing they are external could possibly worsen the situation. I think in the end the only way to get rid of things like this is to accept them in a positive way. Fighting nightmares might only make your negative emotions come back at you.

It could just be the fear of going to sleep and the expectation of nightmares that is causing them, in a cycle. This might have been started by some ideas you had about lucid dreaming, or something else. Whatever you do, you shouldn't be avoiding sleep; that is obviously indulging the fears you have.

You have to work out what fears are causing the dreams, and challenge them.

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Originally posted by ShadowPerson
i see blood, peoples faces as they get murdered, and i cant change what im dreaming! then the other night i dreamed i got cut on my shoulder and the next morning i had a cut there. i am afraid to dream.

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These are real problems. The themes are demonic torment and evil. Some very evil entities have laid a claim to ShadowPerson, and he is going to need some fairly heavy clout to break free.

Catholic or not he will have to go to a Catholic Diocese and get some Holy Salt to scatter around his house. Holy Water to keep around and wash in (more on this later). There needs to be crucifixes hanging in every room. ShadowPerson could go to a Catholic Religious Goods Store and get a Brown Scapular (along with the Scapular itself, the makers add a Crucifix and a Saint Benedict Medal to each strap).

All this might help, or ShadowPerson may require a full exorcism. Praying might help. Many people assume that Christ would be a big help in such situations, and He would be if He didn't think that Humanity largely deserves its problems.... one can hardly blame Him for having been somewhat imbittered by having been Crucified, and then there is the insulting doctrine that insists upon perpetuating the Suffering of Christ to keep up with the ever new sins of sinners who insist rather upon Forgiveness while excusing themselves from Righteousness as Theologically Impossible (it is Paulist Doctrine, but had originated with Satan). So Christ may have little Sympathy. But Mary Mother of God and Queen of the Angels still is the Greatest Advocate for Mercy and is most active in the Battle against Satan and his Demons. If ShadowPerson could persuade Her to take an interest, then with some work he could be delivered of these Evils which plague him.

We may ask why him? Demons often find some reason to lay claim to the souls of some people. An old curse on the family that goes back generations (what is particularly dangerous is an old disgruntled Patriarch damning his children from his deathbed -- such things the Devil lays claim on and would never let go until actively challenged). As respectable as his family may be now, back a few generations, there could have been 3 or more consecutive generations of illegitimacy, or thievery, which the Demons claim gives them a hold on such a family. Many atrocities were committed during the Protestant Wars of Rebellion, and so today we have the descendents of Nun-raping Iconoclasts, who would appear very respectable (and why not, they won their War) but the devils would certainly want to hold these families to their evil contracts. My point is that as innocent as ShadowPerson may be personally, the Lower Realms could be calling in Ancient Debts.

Anyway, about Holy Water -- it can be multiplied up... thusly -- the Rule of Holy Water is that any container that is more than half full of Holy Water can be filled to the top to make 100% Holy Water. So one can find a small bottle of Holy Water and pour not more than half of it out, and then refill it to make it a full bottle of Holy Water again, and repeat. Keep pouring it out and refilling it until you have a 2nd Larger Container just more than half full, and then that can be filled to the top. Multiiplying can be done with larger and larger containers. One can even go to the extent of having a bucket in the bathtub with more than half of it full of Holy Water, and then by filling and dumping no more than half, the bathtub can be filled with Holy Water for a complete immersion in Holy Water.

Good grief Leo Volent. :?

I respect everyones decision and their beliefs. What you propose, if it were me would cause me to have nightmares.
This is some pretty heavy material your throwing at someone. I know you full heartedly believe in your beliefs. They may not be shadowpersons. They may be.
But to address it as fact is quite presumtuous in my opinion.
To propose to someone that you do not know, that if they are Catholic or not will have to go to a Catholic Diocese and get some Holy Salt to scatter around his house, crucifixs, Holy water. An exorcism!

We could all share our personal beliefs as far as religion. :|

Leo, your posts are so fascinating; don't be discouraged :).

Here, I'll make a deal: if I can be allowed to believe whatever I want, then you can be allowed to state as fact whatever you want :wink:.

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Originally posted by Feeble Wizard
Leo, your posts are so fascinating; don't be discouraged :).

Here, I'll make a deal: if I can be allowed to believe whatever I want, then you can be allowed to state as fact whatever you want *:wink:.

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Leo's posts are fascinating. I Aree. *And I am not trying to discourage his input. Should I go into in depth into an athiest's point of view and make things more confusing and complex? Maybe even create an argument.
Relgion is a very touchy subject. And can also be heavily influential. That is why we have a Forum for similar topics.
Does a simple dream interprtation require an evangalistic approach?
Everyone has their own take on religion. There is a time and place. That is all I am saying.
Is this the time and place... Well who am I to decide? :?

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Originally posted by Leo Volont


These are real problems. *The themes are demonic torment and evil. *Some very evil entities have laid a claim to ShadowPerson, and he is going to need some fairly heavy clout to break free.

Catholic or not he will have to go to a Catholic Diocese and get some Holy Salt to scatter around his house. *Holy Water to keep around and wash in (more on this later). *There needs to be crucifixes hanging in every room. *ShadowPerson could go to a Catholic Religious Goods Store and get a Brown Scapular (along with the Scapular itself, the makers add a Crucifix and a Saint Benedict Medal to each strap).

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Howdy.

I'd just like to remind you that you're straying far off of what this site officially believes and stands for, and we try to ensure that discussion such as you are presenting exists only in applicable forums (i.e. Philosophy or Beyond Dreaming). This site otherwise is necessarily reluctant to get into topics you are venturing into (i.e. religion, occult, etc.); the main index page (http://www.dreamviews.com/) expresses our concerns regarding the aforementioned. We take great pains to ensure Lucid Dreaming stands alone and is not coupled with any other ideologies or beliefs. You are obviously a reliable source for interesting information, and we just ask you ensure you post it within the proper forums as outlined here. Please respect our wishes; if you'd prefer, there are other dream-related message boards on the Internet that encourage and welcome the type of discussion you seem interested in.


Thanks.

(PM'd shadow)

sorry i havent been on. i have been working hard to find out what is causing these dreams and they have been getting better (the freeze thing really helped Amethyst). im in more control now. i hope soon i will have my problem solved.

hey everyone! Its been a long time I know but I will finally be online more often now. My dreams.....Such a mess.....Well they haven’t gotten better and I am no closer to finding out what started them. So.....Man I’m tired. Going to go watch t.v. Hope you all are doing well. (it feels so good to be back, and the site looks really shinny)

Good to see you back around shadow person that you are. :)
Post more often!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shadow, my advise to you, is (if the dreams are lucid) just keep thinking to yourself, "I am dreaming, nothing can hurt me, I can do whatever I want in these dreams."

Before you go to sleep, keep telling yourself the same things. I know this'll sound a little weird, but just try to "mellow out".

I hope your dreams get better. Good luck.

Hey Shadow. I got your PM and I'm sorry that I haven't responded to it.

Have you been having the same dreams you were before or have they changed at all? Are they more frequent or less, and have they changed as far as intensity? Have you been able to make any progress?

Have you talked to anyone about them? Last summer I was talking with a friend and she was asking me questions that were heading towards the root of an issue that I was facing. If you have a trusted friend or adult that you feel you can talk to I would highly recommend it.

It's good to see you around again :)

-Amethyst

well, i didn't expect to be remembered by even this many people. it's good to know that i found a place that actually cares! i can now freeze my dreams but try as i might i can't change them. and i can still get hurt in them. but not really hurt at the same time. one dream i went up to what was happening and this guy swung this sword at me and it went right though me, but insted of dieing i just woke up. but now its more like im invisible and just a ghost. anyway i really need to eat something, so talk later!

Personally i'd think the ghost change can be called an improvement
If you are invisible, the creatures/ feared ones cant really distract you when trying to change the situation or am i missing the point?

For me it sometimes helps to do something completely random just to prove that what ever is happening is not able to affact me or my concentration (sounds wacky i know)

Its handy to create a certain distance between you and your surroundings so that you can focus and have a clear mind of how to handle the situation, and makes it easier to "mellow out " as blackberry said becouse he is right, if you are at ease and calm things go much smoother

it more or less improves your objective thinking (then again .. this might only work for me) :?