Project University Industrial Design, The Netherlands. Some help, feedback questions

Heey everyone,

The reason I am trying to lucid dream is for 2 reasons:
1 - I want it just for myself (entertainment)
2 - For my project at the technical university in the netherlands.
I'm Doing Industrial Design and for my project i need to create a speculative design. (a design that is realizable in 5-10 years based on technologies and science). So whats is the project about? Its about nanotechnology. What I want to do is to use nanotech to improve 2 things, neurosensors and a micro chip behind or in the eye. With the neurosensors, i want to reconstruct images from your dream such as dreams. With the micro chip i want to feed the eye nerves images to the brain. So now what i do is that what you think, imagine, dream... will be the thing that you really see with your eye. So wen you WILD, and you start to "see" things... you will really see them with your eye. This allows to go much faster into a dream and make the whole WILD thing go faster. This will be the entertainment of the future. Instead of watching movies, everyone will be able to lucid dream without training. This is the project so far in very short.... I thought of alot of things, aspects, problems and more.

I'm trying it for 4 nights now (to go WILD naturally). My dad has them spontaneously now and then. Yesterday I felt my eyes move quickly, i felt dizzy now and then and began to see images. But the images were inside my head... not really vivid, clear, sharp like seeing with your eyes. I cant seem to enter a dream and see everything like it is real.

So my questions:
1: Does a lucid dream feel as real as looking with your eyes and all or is it more like daydreaming?
2: How can i enter the dream and experience ludicity?
3: What do you think about the project?
4: Do you have any remarks about the project? Ideas? suggestions? Concerns?

Feel free to ask anything and make remarks....

Thank you for everything. Responses and feedback will help me to continue the project and possible create the start of something new in the future.

Welcome to Dreamviews and hope you have a great time here. As for your questions:

1. Yes, lucid dreaming can feel as real life, like right now, you could be in a dream! (You need great recall for that) Also you can also use all five of your senses.

2. You enter dreams every time you sleep, you just have to get lucid. You can find some great techniques to gain lucidity on this site. I'm sure some other people will post links. First and foremost though is remembering the dream.

3. Is this a money making scheme? I don't like the idea of people getting lucid dreams by buying it. I'd rather people work for it.

4. During a WILD, you go through sleep paralysis and can see hallucinations if your still awake, so when you mean your actually seeing something with your eye, what do you mean? Also how will it make WILDs go faster? And getting into a dream faster?

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4. During a WILD, you go through sleep paralysis and can see hallucinations if your still awake, so when you mean your actually seeing something with your eye, what do you mean? Also how will it make WILDs go faster? And getting into a dream faster?

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Well, me as a beginner have tried WILD some times now. I dont really see images like seeing with my eyes. I still see blackness but in my head random things pop up. It is difficult to focus on such a vague image. But with the help of a computer we can recontruct the images and let your eyes see them with a micro chip. In this way, the images will get very sharp so you can focus better. But the device is not only for lucid dreamin although it can help maybe. Its also a product that allows daydreams to feel much more realistic. The only problem with that is that you will be able to walk into a 3D world because of the device at any time of the day, but you wont be able to use all 5 senses. Thats why lucid dreaming is so uber cool. So i thought.. maybe if i use this device just before going to bed, it helps me visualize the images that pop up better and maybe helps me to enter the 3d dream faster.

anyways... im still doing research and all but its not to make money. Its just that normally it takes a long time to train before you get lucid a lot. That is also why there are not a lot of people that do this. So why not make lucid dreaming accesable to everyone in the future with the help of technology.

Tnx for the reply! you helped me there!

CYA

Hi
I don't really get the whole thing of how this is going to help people have WILDs faster but I'm not able to do WILDs myself so I wouldn't know.

But what I'm thinking is, with these two devices, isn't there a lot of other cool stuff you do concerning lucid dreaming? You say you want to make lucid dreaming accessible to everyone in the future, but if you could use your device to make LD'ing more well known and accepted as a fact, then it would also be more accessible, if for example children would learn about it from our parents at a young age.

What I'm thinking about is that you could:
-Have a dream displayed for others to see. In that way the dreamer could show others what he's capable of when she is lucid. All skepticism would hae to fade.
-Record a persons dreams and have them displayed in the morning. Then you could really get to know your dream signs and then become lucid. You could even make a person dream the same dream over and over and thereby realizing that it's a dream.
-Send pictures to the eye when a person is falling to sleep and thereby determining what he will dream about. Imaging if you had a dream that started with a big sign that said "LUCID"
-probably do a tons of other stuff that I don't have the fantasy to dream up.

Well, I'm not into nanotechnology, and these things is probably more than what is realizable in 5-10 years, but you did say speculative design, right?

Hope that was of any help.
-Strit

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Hi
What I'm thinking about is that you could:
-Have a dream displayed for others to see. In that way the dreamer could show others what he's capable of when she is lucid. All skepticism would hae to fade.
-Record a persons dreams and have them displayed in the morning. Then you could really get to know your dream signs and then become lucid. You could even make a person dream the same dream over and over and thereby realizing that it's a dream.
-Send pictures to the eye when a person is falling to sleep and thereby determining what he will dream about. Imaging if you had a dream that started with a big sign that said "LUCID"
-probably do a tons of other stuff that I don't have the fantasy to dream up.
-Strit

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WOW! That was a great reply! TNX man, really. I did think of some stuff you mentioned but for example displaying the text LUCID or so in a dream is pretty genius if thats possible. This reply helps me brainstorming alot so i can continue my project. Recording dreams is something i wanted to do before but i found that is was less challenging to go into that. Thats why i started researching lucid dreaming. When it comes to realization... my ideas are based on some real technologies that allready exist, but are not good enough yet. i do think alot of the things you mentioned above are realizable in 5-10 years... (theoretical) but it takes longer for devices to appear into stores.

Again... TNX for your reply and do not mind my errors/spelling. I'm Dutch and it is 0:13 now... plus im dyslectic :P .... worst case senario for me as you can imagine. :)

I'm glad I could help!

I hope someone else have more great ideas for you!

And a question: Are these things that needs to be implantet? 'cause that's SO sci-fi!

-Strit

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I'm glad I could help!

I hope someone else have more great ideas for you!

And a question: Are these things that needs to be implantet? 'cause that's SO sci-fi!

-Strit

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Well I have contact with a neurologist in the netherlands. He will give me more information about how things will work in the future. For now, it recuires a surgery. Although it is implanted, it is not sci fi technological speaking. Its sci fi when talking about how people would react and when people would allow such things to be places inside their head. Although for now it must be implanted, in the near future it could also be a simple injection. But the technology that is implated / injected will be very common in the future. It will be a requirement just like vaccination when you were young. the technology that is implanted is not only for this project, it is also for Brain computer interfaces, controlling devices and other applications.

Hope your question is awnsered with this.

I haven't read most of it, but wouldn't seeing real images with your eyes actually keep you awake? When falling asleep when you're rested enough (i.e when you've slept for a few hours to be able to jump right into REM) you can't really have that much external input, that'll keep your mind awake. If this thing works, sounds pretty cool to me :)

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Originally Posted by najrasaam

Well I have contact with a neurologist in the netherlands. He will give me more information about how things will work in the future. For now, it recuires a surgery. Although it is implanted, it is not sci fi technological speaking. Its sci fi when talking about how people would react and when people would allow such things to be places inside their head. Although for now it must be implanted, in the near future it could also be a simple injection. But the technology that is implated / injected will be very common in the future. It will be a requirement just like vaccination when you were young. the technology that is implanted is not only for this project, it is also for Brain computer interfaces, controlling devices and other applications.

Hope your question is awnsered with this.

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Wow, crazy new world! Thanks for the answer and good luck with the project. Maybe 10 years from now I'll see the results all around me :)