Thread: I Just Can't Do It!

sorry, for some reason this double posted...

Like I said, I have a BIG problem in realizing foolishness in a dream. If I can just figure out what's real and what's not, I'm in.

I have that same problem, and believe it or not, its the most normal stuff that makes me go \"Hey, im dreaming\", not the weird stuff, that stuff, i just go along with for some reason.

For Example, i'll be being chased by a giant alien, and will continue to run...
But in another dream, i'll just be at school and suddenly im like \"Hey, This isn't right, this must not be real!\" and then I just have fun.


What Ive learned to do before I go to sleep, is to lay on the couch trying to sleep for a few hours, but not actually falling asleep, just keeping myself to the point where, if I go to bed ,i'll be asleep in about 10 minutes.
That seems to make me be more aware of whats going on in my dreams.Like I can control to some extent in my dreams whats going on, but I wont be aware that its a dream.[/quote]

Originally posted by paco_hojaverde
Amazingly, I managed to gain some foothold. Its success was based primarily on two mindsets: 1) I'm in my room and 2) I'm taking a nap. I tell myself that if any of those two facts changes, I'll realize that I'm dreaming. It worked. I was lucid for about 10 seconds, but I couldn't stay in such a state.

Holy crap, I just tried this last night, and it completely worked! Thank you!! I just realized straight from the beginning of the dream.

So, I appeared in this prehistoric jungle place, and although it was pretty cool, I just asked no one in particular, "What happened to my bed?". I was then lucid. I looked at my hands, because my friend told me that's how you can get power in your dreams or something, a way to stay lucid. Not sure if it worked...

So, after that, I closed my eyes, and tried to imagine a new place around me. I wanted to go places. Too bad all the time I've thought about having lucid dreams didn't include any ideas of what to do or where to go.

I wandered around a very realistic whiteness, wondering what to do, for about ten minutes until I woke up. I'm not complaining, because it was pretty cool, I just wish I got some ideas while I was there. My first lucid dream, which happened a year ago after watching Waking Life, just involved flying everywhere in Chicago, and the lucidity level wasn't that high, so having this dream makes me really happy.


Well, I now qualify for a WILD, so maybe I'll try that in a few minutes...

Wow, who would've know that I can help other people! I suppose I should give a name to my method, huh? Let's see...I'll call it the FILD (Fact Induced Lucid Dream) method. For those that didn't catch the last few responses, this method is quite simple. Here are the facts:

1) You're in your room.
2) You're sleeping.
3) If any of those facts change, you'll know you're dreaming.

I made up this nameless method about 2 months ago. When I lost interest in lucid dreaming, I socked it away in the drawer with the rest of my collection. I still use it today and it really does wonders. If fact, I had another semi-lucid dream last night.

So, the best method for any beginner, in my unexperienced opinion, is to understand the FILD facts and read something from this website (in general) before going to sleep.

I still have a long way to go before I consider myself to have had a lucid dream. For one, how do I increase the length of a lucid dream? How about the realism (5 senses)? What about staying in the lucid state? I've read hundreds of articles, pages, and responses on these questions but the answers given to me just don't work. Are there any experienced dreamers that can help?

Drama

i know this has nothing to do with the topic but Mysical, that yoda picture rocks!

Hey there paco...I would really be interested in trying to help you one on one. And no I don't visit any other forums besides this one but I sure as hell love American McGee's Alice.

I understand your frustration and I'd like to talk with you about all the things that you have tried and give you my input about what I think will work for you. If you'd like you can PM me or we can chat on AIM or MSN sometime if you have either of those. Just let me know. And don't give up hope.

Originally posted by Kastro187420

thats just because you can be judgemental about everyday expiriances that you have a pre known knwoledge as to how things should look be and happen apose to the typical childish skip along people do when the unusal comes aorund because you want to expiriance the unusual expecially when oyu think it is reality.

Quite the contrary, my friend. I expect no pre-destined pattern for my waking life; I follow no schedule. Randomness, co-incidence, and what some may see as fate constantly changes the environment around you - rendering the pre-destined mindset incorrect.

In my dreams, I expect to first grasp the normal before attempting the absurd. There's plenty of absurd in my dreams so you'd figure that identifying it would be easy, but it's not.

Then again, I could be wrong. Sometimes, what I go to sleep wanting doesn't really matter. You could be right Plobable - and if you are, what would you suggest?

Paco, I'm with ya on that one. It took me ALOT of practice before I ever had a DILD. I was having nap induced LDs for awhile before I was ever able to stop myself in the middle of a dream at night and actually be aware enough to think and to know that I was indeed having a dream.

It's all about recognizing your dream signs and doing a reality check when you find one...this is what did it for me. I think that is really the most important thing in being able to become lucid during sleep. I used to follow my absurd dreams just like a movie script, like I had no control, no awareness, no clue at all that I was dreaming. Still, it is hard for me to have DILDs...about only about 10% of my lucids are from DILDs, but they always happened as a result of me flying off the road in my car (which is my MAJOR dream sign).

Have you got any of your dream signs figured out? It may take some time. I only recently realized this as one of my dream signs...and I have been LDing for over 5 years.

Nope - still searching for my dream sign. Then again, I don't think I'll need a dream sign with my FILD method. It's because of this exact method that I'm having excellent dream recall and semi-lucid dreams every night. Not to mention reading up on these forums before sleeping.

One thing that bugs me A LOT about my dreams, is that they're made up of plausible events. Which means they could happen in my waking life. While some of you may be sipping Chardonnay with aliens, I'm in a boxing ring. This makes it ever more harder for me to distinguish the absurd from the plausible. But I think I figured it out: I need to embed an imaginarily-structured scenario in my head; in other words, make my own dream. So that when I go to sleep, the first dream will always be that scenario and thusly, I will realize that it is one of my own creation - I will know I'm dreaming.

Last night, I failed to induce even a semi-lucid dream. What does this mean? Am I getting so close that I'm condescending my own ability of induction? What am I doing wrong? I have to admit that I've been using the FILD method solely. Perhaps I should try reality checks and dream logging next time?

They just never seemed to work for me.

mmm... random post, for a random lucid i had last night.

I was bored, really bored. Well i had a lucid last night, I fell asleep on the couch and my dad dragged me offa it and i was pissed.. so I went upstairs having a cursing fit.. i soon went to sleep angry.

Well, i got bored while sleeping and had an LD.. I basically tried stuff on this site I hadn't done before (like last time i tried food, and dialing on a phone), this time i started to stare at paintings, do jumping-jacks, take lots of drugs, and look at my watch. The paintings and the watch were the coolest. My watch didn't go nuts like people said it would here, it would sometimes be the same, but sometimes jump a few minutes. It was around 5:30AM on it and it was the same watch I wore while awake. The paintings were cool, cause they moved, and changed. Very very strange though.

That had no place here.. but I felt compelled to write it, I support you could call it an AILD (Anger-Induced Lucid Dream). By far one of my stranger ones though, I guess because I felt like experimenting.

Damn...I wish I could do something like that!! Why not me??????

By the time I learn to lucid dream, parents will be teaching their kids how to do it.

Originally posted by paco_hojaverde
Damn...I wish I could do something like that!! Why not me??????

By the time I learn to lucid dream, parents will be teaching their kids how to do it.

Don't say that. I believe that you will have one very soon. And I should know. Don't give up hope.

The more effort, the more result.

How do you get bored while sleeping? thats just funny to me. lol

I suppose after having experienced so many lucid dreams, it would get boring. I mean, you'd eventually run out of ideas, right?

I was bored, really bored. Well i had a lucid last night, I fell asleep on the couch and my dad dragged me offa it and i was pissed.. so I went upstairs having a cursing fit.. i soon went to sleep angry.

Well, i got bored while sleeping and had an LD.. I basically tried stuff on this site I hadn't done before (like last time i tried food, and dialing on a phone), this time i started to stare at paintings, do jumping-jacks, take lots of drugs[/b]

So how do you get bored while sleeping

And i dont think LD's would ever get boring becouse theres so much posibilities.

Originally posted by pytis

I was bored, really bored. Well i had a lucid last night, I fell asleep on the couch and my dad dragged me offa it and i was pissed.. so I went upstairs having a cursing fit.. i soon went to sleep angry.

Well, i got bored while sleeping and had an LD.. I basically tried stuff on this site I hadn't done before (like last time i tried food, and dialing on a phone), this time i started to stare at paintings, do jumping-jacks, take lots of drugs

So how do you get bored while sleeping

And i dont think LD's would ever get boring becouse theres so much posibilities.[/b]

I can envision a possibility where Lucid Dreams could get boring. If one is consistently disrupting planned dream content in order to exercise a destructive control, than eventually the Higher Dream Mind will simply forego the entirel process and leave Dreaming entirely to the Lucid Dreamer to summon his own content. Steven LaBerge once examined this eventuality -- he found that his dream control was reduced to merely being able to summon up cartoon animation versions of what he would have in his self-created dreams. It was as though the Creative Process of Dreaming had tired of his interference and left him on his own.

The most interesting thing about Dreams is that it is the Communication from a Higher Mind to us, for the purpose of giving us knowledge, wisdom and guidance. If we subvert all of that for the sake of performing parlour tricks in our sleep, then, yes, it might get boring after awhile.

Hmm...that is interesting. What does the dreamer do when something like that happens?

Im sorry But I cannot possilbly see how Lucid Dreaming can become boring to any extent. I don't care if you've disrupted your entire normal dreaming process. Every Lucid dream is a new adventure for me. Now ever since I was a child I've been lucid dreaming and here I am 30yrs of age and it just gets better and better. So I cannot see where the boredom would arise. I set missions up for myself in the waking world and try to accomplish those missions or goals. Now If I wasn't such a creative person And I got bored with my own thoughts easily then yest I guess I could see how lucid dreaming could become pretty boring. But I cannot imagine that since Im not bored with myself.

I must point Aneas in the direction of this thread...I know that he has been lucid dreaming his whole life. I do not wish to speak for him so I will not but I'm sure he will have something to say on this matter.

I'll wait for his reply then.