Thread: I'm new,. What is OOB?

OOB is something real, not like a lucid dream. What you experience in a OOB takes place in the reality. If you want to stalk someone you can go ahead. You can even switch to "other dimensions" and see creatures. I recommend you to read Journeys Out of the Body bu Robert A. Monroe.

Originally Posted by Hackfleisch

OOB is something real, not like a lucid dream. What you experience in a OOB takes place in the reality. If you want to stalk someone you can go ahead. You can even switch to "other dimensions" and see creatures. I recommend you to read Journeys Out of the Body bu Robert A. Monroe.

So this is like astral projection? The thing is,. I'm not yet sure that I believe in that, however I'm 100% committed to trying to achieve it. Does the book you suggested discuss how to go from a lucid dream to an ap? As everywhere on line people seem to be talking about vibrating and stuff I have no clue about.

I think this is going to be really interesting because as I said I'm skeptical but a regular lucid dreamer so I see this as a great opportunity to un-biasly test the idea of astral projection.

Sorry for waffling

Originally Posted by jjstubbs

Does the book you suggested discuss how to go from a lucid dream to an ap?

No it doesn't. It has a WILD technique like tutorial on how to do a successfull OBB.

Spoiler for Monroe's Technique:

Step one:

Relax the body. According to Monroe, "the ability to relax is the first prerequisite, perhaps even the first step itself" to having an OBE. (out of body experience) This includes both physical and mental relaxation. Monroe does not suggest a method of attaining this relaxation, although Progressive Muscle relaxation, coupled with deep breathing exercises (inhale 1, exhale 2, inhale 3.... until 50 or 100) are known to work well.

Step two:

Enter the state bordering sleep. This is known as the hypnagogic state. Once again, Monroe doesn't recommend any method of doing this. One way is to hold your forearm up, while keeping your upper arm on the bed, or ground. As you start to fall asleep, your arm will fall, and you will awaken again. With practice, you can learn to control the Hypnagogic state without using your arm. Another method is to concentrate on an object. When other images start to enter your thoughts, you have entered the Hypnagogic state. Passively watch these images. This will also help you maintain this state of near-sleep. Monroe calls this Condition A.

Step three:

Deepen this state. Begin to clear your mind. observe your field of vision through your closed eyes. Do nothing more for a while. Simply look through your closed eyelids at the blackness in front of you. After a while, you may notice light patterns. These are simply neural discharges. They have no specific effect. Ignore them. When they cease, one has entered what Monroe calls Condition B. From here, one must enter an even deeper state of relaxation which Monroe calls Condition C-- a state of such relaxation that you lose all awareness of the body and sensory stimulation. You are almost in a void in which your only source of stimulation will be your own thoughts.

The ideal state for leaving your body is Condition D. This is Condition C when it is voluntarily induced from a rested and refreshed condition and is not the effect of normal fatigue. To achieve Condition D, Monroe suggests that you practice entering it in the morning or after a short nap.

Step Four:

Enter a state of Vibration. This is the most important part of the technique, and also the most vague. Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset of projection. They can be experienced as a mild tingling, or as is electricity is being shot through the body. /their cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying to leave the physical one.

For entering into the vibrational state, he offers the following directions:

1. Remove all jewelry or other items that might be touching your skin.

2. Darken the room so that no light can be seen through your eyelids, but do not shut out all light.

3. Lie down with your body along a north-south axis, with your head pointed toward magnetic north.

4. Loosen all clothing, but keep covered so that you are slightly warmer than might normally be comfortable.

5. Be sure you are in a location where, and at a time when, there will be absolutely no noise to disturb you.

6. Enter a state of relaxation

7. Give yourself the mental suggestion that you will remember all that occurs during the upcoming session that will be beneficial to your well-being. Repeat this five times.

8. Proceed to breath through your half-open mouth.

9. As you breath, concentrate on the void in front of you.

10. Select a point a foot away from your forehead, then change your point of mental reference to six feet.

11. Turn the point 90 degrees upward by drawing an imaginary line parallel to your body axis up and above your head. Focus there and reach out for the vibrations at that point and bring them back into your body.

Even if you don't know what these vibrations are, you will know when you have achieved contact with them.

Step five:

Learn to control the vibrational state. Practice controlling them by mentally pushing them into your head, down to your toes, making them surge throughout your entire body, and producing vibrational waves from head to foot. To produce this wave effect, concentrate of the vibrations and mentally push a wave out of your head and guide it down your body. Practice this until you can induce these waves on command. Once you have control of the vibrational state, you are ready to leave the body.

Step six:

Begin with a partial separation. The key here is thought control. Keep your mind firmly focused on the idea of leaving the body. Do not let it wander. Stray thought might cause you to lose control of the state.

Now, having entered the vibrational state, begin exploring the OBE by releasing a hand or a foot of the "second body". Monroe suggests that you extend a limb until it comes in contact with a familiar object, such as a wall near your bed. Then push it through the object. Return the limb by placing it back into coincidence with the physical one, decrease the vibrational rate, and then terminate the experiment. Lie quietly until you have fully returned to normal. This exercise will prepare you for full separation.

Step seven:

Dissociate yourself from the body. Monroe suggests two methods for this. One method is to lift out of the body. To do this, think about getting lighter and lighter after entering this vibrational state. Think about how nice it would be to float upward. Keep this thought in mind at all costs and let no extraneous thoughts interrupt it. An OBE will occur naturally at this point.

Another method is the "Rotation method" or "roll-out" technique. When you have achieved the vibrational state, try to roll over as if you were turning over in bed. /do not attempt to roll over physically. Try to twist your body from the top and virtually roll over into your second body right out of your physical self. At this point, you will be out of the body but next to it. Think of floating upward, and you should find yourself floating above the body.
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Try to leave the lucid dream but dont move at all. Just skip to step 3!

Ooo,. Ok thanks a lot. I'll give that a try.
Do you think my skepticism will be a barrier to me achieving anything beyond a lucid dream?

They are usually called OBEs (out of body experiences), and there is a debate as to whether they are lucid dream phenomena, or something different. I've OBEd twice (once while watching television -- and awake!-- and once while falling asleep). I have no idea whether they are dreams or not, though I suspect they are related

Ok, I'm pretty interested in this,. could you tell me what your experiences were? and how they differed from just dreams or lucid dreams.

Sidenote: it seems that now I want to lucid dream i'm not lol,. I usually don't go to long without one though so hopefully soon I can try this OBE stuff soon,.

Please send tell me if you get any results

I ingested cannabis the time I was awake. Some might say this was just a hallucination, though it felt quite convincing to me. I've read that some drugs can "loosen" the astral body and make OBEs easier. It did not feel dreamlike at all and I was terrified, lol

The other was while trying to WILD. I was just able to step up and out if my body. Both felt quite "real," though lucid dreams feel real as well. Robert Bruce has a book called Astral Dynamics. It is interesting stuff.

Originally Posted by Hackfleisch

Please send tell me if you get any results

I definitely will!

Ah ok,. this is interesting. I do remember when I was younger I was sleeping in my bed,. and i know I was asleep but I remember that I was looking at the ceiling and shelves in my room,. I've always said that for some reason I was sleeping with my eyes open lol,. might have been interesting if I'd tried to stand up.

Apparently you can see through you eyelids when you are having a OBE. Im so jealous right now :/

Originally Posted by Hackfleisch

Apparently you can see through you eyelids when you are having a OBE. Im so jealous right now :/

Most will say that you're not really "seeing" in the physical sense of the word--you are using your "dream eyes." But yes, you can "see" with your eyes closed. You just normally don't think about this fact during transition

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

Most will say that you're not really "seeing" in the physical sense of the word--you are using your "dream eyes." But yes, you can "see" with your eyes closed. You just normally don't think about this fact during transition

Ah right,. Well im not sure if it was an OBE because I remember not being able to look anywhere else in my room,. But I remember my sight being incredibly clear and just thinking 'this is wierd' and trying desperately to close my eyes but not being able to make it go dark,. Was very strange

... is interesting to think about now though I'm exploring LD's and the idea of OBE's

UPDATE: So I had a lucid dream last night,. it seems that the more I try to have one, the less likely it is to happen. So I just relaxed last night and went to sleep, then sure enough half way through one of my dreams i was like 'wait,. there aren't polar bears in england,... ahhhhh'. The only thing is, I completely forgot everything that I wanted to do when I was awake and just enjoyed flying around and performing stunts,. the lucidity wore off and I just slipped back into a normal dream.

Does anyone have any tips on how to remain lucid/actually remember your lucid objectives when asleep? for example I really want to try and communicate with my subconscious but it seems that when I'm having a LD all I care about is having fun,. I'm a bit gutted a threw away my lucid dream,
At least I know I can still do it

The famous 'spinning' technique can prolong lucid dreams. You just spin your dream body like a top. It has 'kind of' worked for me in the past. Charlie Morley delves into meeting your subconscious and OBEs in his book Dreams of Awakening. It's a little new-agey for me; not convinced there's any empirical evidence that your consciousness leaves your body during an OBE. I think all evidence points to consciousness being a direct manifestation of the brain.

Originally Posted by jjstubbs

UPDATE: So I had a lucid dream last night,. it seems that the more I try to have one, the less likely it is to happen. So I just relaxed last night and went to sleep, then sure enough half way through one of my dreams i was like 'wait,. there aren't polar bears in england,... ahhhhh'. The only thing is, I completely forgot everything that I wanted to do when I was awake and just enjoyed flying around and performing stunts,. the lucidity wore off and I just slipped back into a normal dream.

Does anyone have any tips on how to remain lucid/actually remember your lucid objectives when asleep? for example I really want to try and communicate with my subconscious but it seems that when I'm having a LD all I care about is having fun,. I'm a bit gutted a threw away my lucid dream,
At least I know I can still do it

http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-cont...our-goals.html

Originally Posted by Walkio

The famous 'spinning' technique can prolong lucid dreams. You just spin your dream body like a top. It has 'kind of' worked for me in the past. Charlie Morley delves into meeting your subconscious and OBEs in his book Dreams of Awakening. It's a little new-agey for me; not convinced there's any empirical evidence that your consciousness leaves your body during an OBE. I think all evidence points to consciousness being a direct manifestation of the brain.

Thanks man. Please keep an eye on this thread,. I too am a sceptic at this point and very eager to approach this in a scientific way to see what results I get.

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-cont...our-goals.html

A brilliant,. thanks!

So.. I had a very strong lucid dream last night, at first I did the usual larking around but then I calmed down and just repeated to myself 'this is a lucid dream', which seemed to make me very aware.
I then shouted out loud a few times 'increase lucidity!!!' And I also span around,. I may be wrong but these didn't really seem to do much.
Finally,. I tried to feel/become aware of the position of my physical body so that I could 'step out of it', this was a complete flop. I think in fact doing this made me feel like I was going to wake up,. So I repeated steps 2 and 3,. Which again didn't do much.
Perhaps I'm expecting too much too soon or maybe I'm doing it wrong but my experience is leading me to believe that a LD is no more than a dream.
I think I'm having 1 LD a week though so I will continue with the experiment.

All the best :-)

All the descriptions I read of OBEs sound like my ordinary WILDs, so I remain skeptical about to what extent OBEs are supposed to be different from a particular kind of lucid dream, unless the idea is that you are supposedly wandering around and observing the "real world" rather than a dream space closely modeled on it.

But if OBEs really gave someone the opportunity to observe things that actually exist in the physical world, while moving with dream-like independence from the physical body, wouldn't this be incredibly easy to prove under laboratory conditions? All you would have to do is to report concrete, verifiable, factual information acquired during the experience that was not previously known and could not have been accessed any other way. And if OBEs could provide this kind of concrete, verifiable, previously unknown information about the physical world, the CIA would already be recruiting DV members right and left, because could you imagine a better spy?

But if the only thing that OBEs do is let you wander around some sort of "astral realm," then it almost seems pointless to try to differentiate it from dreaming.

I suppose even such a thing as an astral realm could be tested,. All that would require is 2 capable 'projectionists',. Meeting in said realm and exchanging some information,. Either way, I have no way of running such tests so ill keep on with my experiments

Astral Projection, or OBE has been proven - not scientifically, but rather by an increasing number of people doing it. It is just as real as anything else - and if you would dig a bit more into topics like this, you would find out that now, in 21st century, the world is finally discovering that the physical plane of this universe is not the only one - and that such planes as spiritual and astral do actually exist and, are easily accessible.

I have yet to experience OBE as I've only been focusing on Lucid Dreaming and getting to know my mind since, however I do plan to try it as well.

It is not about believing it or not. You do not have to believe in gravity. You will fall down whether you believe in it or not. Same goes with OBE. It is possible and real, whether you believe it or not. Do some research and you'll see.

And no, being sceptical will not make a difference actually - because the worst thing that can happen is that you will have an OBE, you will think it is just a Lucid Dream, only to find out later that what you saw in your "dream" was actually happening in reality.

Another thing to consider is that, some people had an "accidental OBE" while trying to have a Lucid Dream. My tip: everytime you have a lucid dream, try to see your friend (or your mother, for example) and see what they are doing. Then when you wake up, call them and ask them if in the past 10 hours they did what you saw them doing in a dream. That way you can distinguish between Lucid Dreaming and actually having an OBE.

So I had a few LD's last night and there are 2 that I remember very clearly. The first one I realized that I was dreaming and constructed my bedroom in my dream, I then imagined my body floating down and lying on my bed - where I knew I was sleeping. I thought to myself 'right I'm going get out of my body' and attempted to 'sit up', all that happened was I actually sat up in my bed and woke up.
I lay down and went back to sleep,. In my next LD I decided I would try the 'roll over' technique, I then tried to roll over and actually dreamt that it worked and I was astral projecting,. I know that it was an LD Cuz I could still control/craft my reality.

Still nothing on the OBE front...