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hi all. i posed here a while back when i started having WILDS which until i came here i thought were hallucinations, soon after though i discovered weed and soon lost interest in dreaming. anyway since now and then i have tried somewhat of a variety of drugs, x, coke, alcohol, viconin, and most recently shrooms. i was not at all prepared for the shrooms or how much i consumed for my first trip also i was alone. basicaly i experience what my friend calls an egodeath, such an intense trip that i completely lost myself, my concept of identity and such. so to make a long story short, after i started smoking wilds didn't just randomly hit me every once in a while like they used to, they really only happened like 5 or so times. smoking also killed my normal dreams. anyway due to parents i gotta take it easy on the drug stuff so i want to get into dreaming. anyway not that you needed all the background or anything but i wanted to know if something like the following is possible, the psilocybin in shrooms effects the human brain and makes people exerpeince the altered state of consciousness, if the brain is capable of that is it then possible to achieve the same or similar state w/o the use of an outside substance? i guess my few wilds i have had made me think, or maybe its wishfully thinking, that there is more to reality that what i consciously persieve in my everyday life, i want to experience this or learn about this and realy dont know were to start. life for me is very lonely and empty so i'm hoping maybe exploring this kind of thing could help me feel better, doubt it though. i'm guessing most people will say check out the tutorials for lucid dreaming on this site and the like, just thought i would throw this out there if anyone had any other recomened learning materials or something....thanks and sorry if the post is unclear. |
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Yes. i also have had extremely bad experiences with drugs. not shrooms though, i cant even imagine what that would do to you when you have a bad trip, i totally freaked jsut from weed after i smoked it for like a year straight, which is a lighter drug, with shrooms, it must've been indecribable how bad u felt. Anyway........I have been there and i am chosing to do the same as you, taking the path that uses no outside substances. Just as an observation, i think that the reason for these methods being safer is because 1) you are already making a firm commitment to do this to your body 2) you know what you are doing 3) you slowly do it over a period of time, so you get used to it and 4) u can control the outcomes = NO EGODEATHS! |
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There are definately ways to access this altered state of consciousness other than using drugs. Drugs are just an easy way of seeing our reality in a different way. A different perception. |
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yep, you definitely don't need drugs...and as you found out, it totally kills your dreaming!!! |
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'all of the moments that already passed/
try to go back and make them last.'
Hmmm. I'm not so anti-drugs as some on this forum, but, I'm not a big drug user myself. I think in order to use a drug, you have to know about it very thoroughly and have a neutral, objective understanding of what it is and what it does. You've got to be safe using it too, ideally with a sober close friend not taking it and watching over you to make sure you don't do anything stupid. I don't believe that injecting a superficial smattering of Eastern mysticism or spirituality along with drug use makes it anymore safe. I'm not anti-buddhist either - quite the opposite. |
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I have to disagree with this as well. It just alters your dreaming state. Some of the most vivid lucid dreams i've had have been coming down from ex, probably because i sleep soooo much and so must get longer REM periods, also my emotions are much stronger. |
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What I have found with my experiences of shrooms is that it takes you to the stage that Meditation or a WILD can with very little effort and like 10 times faster. I did shrooms just the other week for the 4th or 5th time and I found that I could easily sleep whilst remaining conscious, wake up and then lie down and enter the state immediately, it would normally take me ages to get to where I was without the shrooms, It was a very strange experience. I can reach the same stage without any external influence but it is much much harder. I love shrooms for what they can show you and what they can make you feel but they do make you feel pretty fuc#ed up and negative at the same time. |
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The Sandman is near.
On the topic of drugs, I used to take ex(xtc) and k(ketamine) on my raving era back in 02-04. I use to take these drugs often. once every week. I know my limits, I wouldnt take it to end up puking and getting fucked for the night. just enough to chill for the night. MOST of the time I would get these lucid like trips. |
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Lucid Dreams: none
Attempts: 1
thanks so much for all the replies everybody, i was in kind of a depressed funk and didt care or respond to this thread, its late now but i'm defiently going to make a worthwhile response when i have some time. please tommo if you can send me that hypnosis video to [email protected]. but i gotta ask now before i hit the sack, how the fuck did you trip on xtc? thats so crazy. x has never made me hallucinate just feel a very emotional high. i've read some and have allot more questions i will post this weekend when i have time. i've ordered some books on lucid dreaming and will continue my research but i'm probably going to start using drugs only a little, its hard to stop completely thanks. |
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I personally am against illegal drugs. Not saying that I don't do things to make me feel good. I enjoy fine beers, and fine liquors, but rarely drink to get drunk (which i did a lot of prior to age 21) Anyway I'm not here to say bad things about it, cause I believe if you wanna do drugs or whatever, its your decision. |
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"Dreams are today's answers to tomorrow's questions." ~Edgar Cayce
<span style="color:#FF0000">Adopted by: Howetzer
I am going to chime in here ..... I am NOT against drug use........ I don;t believe they are they are the ANSWER .....but they can definatley be used as a tool...... to open you up...... once you know they way to open up and tune in , you can greatly benefit..... |
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