Is this for real??

uhm, hi to all the people here.
i just finished reading most about lucid dreams.. and i find it very hard to belive that the experience itself is as real as people describe it in terms of feeling it as if it was "reality" if this may be true people wouldn't need hallucinogens and computer games... and how come i can't find any universities researches about the subject (perhaps i didnt search very well)
please dont be mad with my ignorance and disbelive.. but the phenomena seems too good to be true.. where are the side effects? (as in every good thing.. drugs, candies.. etc..)

thanks in advance for your patience,
night!
jekyll.

hi! i guess we are in the same boat. i have done a bit of reasearch on it and i dont think anything bad could happen. although, if u let ur dream play out normally, it is a good way of self exploration. but i have had like, 2 lucid dreams in my entire life........ :oops: sooooooooooooo....... anyways, maybe we could be buddies er something.....

:muffin: Welcome to the forum Koko! :aphiusiscrazy:

I can assure you that its quite real, and there are no side effects associated with it whatsoever. It quite a rush, I had one this morning and have felt happy with myself all day. :)

Look up research by Stephen LaBerge, and in particular his book called "Exploring the world of Lucid Dreaming" Thats something all lucid dreamers or/and interested people should read.

There are plenty of research on lucid dreaming. Do a search online and you'll find tons of websites. The reason why it's not so well known is because it is still quite a new concept, technically speaking.

There are no side effects, guranteed. If there were side effects to dreaming then people would make medicine to prevent dreaming. A lucid is the same thing as a regular dream, except you are in control.

The only potential problem would be mental, not physical. Check out this thread:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3987

They are quite real...if not, I would have left this forum months ago.I have had about 8, and I can tell you right now that everything you read on the site is true.Depending on the clarity of the dream, it can be exactly like reality, and in some cases, more real that reality..well..seems like it is more real than reality.There are absolutely no side effects whatsoever, so no worries. :wink:

Oh yeah, welcome to the forums! :banana:

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well, sorry guys.. as one of you said we sleep 1/3 of our life it is known that all mammals have dreams.. and yet people can't explain why dreaming is so important.
i also know about a person that couldn't dream and was starting to hallucinate some horror stuff into his reality (huge spiders in his shoes, etc..)
what i'm trying to say is that in my opinion dreaming is a sensitive area that science has no clue about its use.

if you had trauma (like an accident in real life) i know that dreams can "fix" and help you get over the trauma.. by messing consciously with dreams i think you might interfere with the body's self help mechanism
maybe people found the way to have lucid dreams.. but do they have the skills to use it at best? without doing any harm
much like a professional auto mechanic and an amateur mechanic messing with the car's engine

(sorry for the bad english)
-jekyll

Lucid dreams are as real as they can get. *More* real then anything

you've ever seen or experienced. It involves all senses, even senses we

still dont know about. There's absolute knowledge of background (which

can extend to weeks of dream time). That is - you know what you've

done before. You know Dream characters, you know dream history and

so on.
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Upon learning lucid dreaming, you can forget about hallucinogens :) cause LDing is so much better and more potent...

well, computer games still exist, as you cant dream whole day...

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Originally posted by koko
if you had trauma (like an accident in real life) i know that dreams can \"fix\" and help you get over the trauma.. by messing consciously with dreams i think you might interfere with the body's self help mechanism

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I have studied a bit about dreams in my psychology class, and, as I understood, the purpose of dreams is to fulfill all of our desires. We do not do so explicitely, in a way our conscious mind can decipher it, but rather our brain creats situations that are a substitute for the wanted action. This is process is called censorship.

So, in dreams we indirectly fulfill our fantasies and work out our issues. But in lucid dreams, there is no censorship. You are conscious of the process and know what you are doing. You fulfill your fantasies directly and knowingly. So I guess that, although some unconscious desire will remain unfulfilled, others that are consciously present will take place...thus no harm no foul...to some extent...

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Originally posted by Aphius
:muffin: Welcome to the forum Koko! :aphiusiscrazy:

Look up research by Stephen LaBerge, and in particular his book called \"Exploring the world of Lucid Dreaming\" Thats something all lucid dreamers or/and interested people should read.

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thanks i found the book and two other essays!

well if you seriously want to be a lucid dreamer, i hope you get to experience the real thing as soon as possible. its an experience you'll never forget (depending on how lucid you are of course :-P )

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Originally posted by Death-Wuad
well if you seriously want to be a lucid dreamer, i hope you get to experience the real thing as soon as possible. its an experience you'll never forget (depending on how lucid you are of course :-P )

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I second that, and I've only had a single experience that lasted less than a minute. It was one of the best feelings of me life.

~Corbin

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Originally posted by koko

please dont be mad with my ignorance and disbelive.. but the phenomena seems too good to be true..

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I AM SOO MAD AT YOUR IGNORANCE AND DISBELIEF!!! :mad:

KOKO, IF YOU CAN LEARN SIGN LANGUAGE, YOU CAN LEARN TO LUCID DREAM!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE SMARTEST GORILLA EVER!!!

dont mind me, i've been working all night and just got home for a lil smokin and drinkin.... welcome to the forum koko, ITS REAL MAN OK!! DONT QUESTION IT AGAIN....

or else......bum bum bummmmmm(dramatic music and drums please)

and que the guy with the shifty eyes.... :cookiemonster:

WHOAH, is this the crackhead emoticon??? -->>> :happyhappy:

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Originally posted by Ev

Upon learning lucid dreaming, you can forget about hallucinogens :) cause LDing is so much better and more potent...

well, computer games still exist, as you cant dream whole day...

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Oh and hallucinogens still exist because we cant lucid dream all the time either... ok i'll shut up now.. :breakitdown:

Firstly - like everyone has mentioned - its incredibly 'real'
As an example - in a vivid dream last night (that came right after a lucid one) I was explaining to someone exactly how real a LD really is.
Banged on the wall and said 'its as real is all this is'. Remember the slight pain in my hand, the colour and shine of the tiles on the wall, etc.

Amusing though because it couldn't have been more true :D

As for the side effects... I've wondered this myself.
I think it depends on whether you want to control absolutely everything.
I tend to 'go with the flow', and simply change the things I want to.
I agree that there *might* just maybe be a mental side effect to preventing your dreams from flowing normally.
But I feel if you don't do this every night through all your REM time... and allow your normal dream situations some leeway.. its not a problem.

What worries me though is this idea of extending your lucid dreams. Thats messing with your natural sleep cycles

Wow! What a response to a first post!

Welcome on board! :yddd:

As you can see, we are slightly fanatical about the subject. If I recall correctly Dr. LeBarge received his PhD at Stanford University for his research into Lucid Dreaming, so there is some credibility to it.

Like you, when I first started, I had some concerns about "messing" with something I didn't have the source code for (my mind).

I've been at it now for 12 years and as far as I know, and from what people tell me, I seem to be a fairly normal guy. *twitch* *twitch* :D

A bit too normal if you think that removing stains in your dreams is cool :roll: :shock: :D

Just yanking yer chain.. harhar :wink:

It does sound to good to be true. We're all here to trick you.
(its all part of Paperdolls plans to TAKE OVER THE WORLD!)

I AM SOO MAD AT YOUR IGNORANCE AND DISBELIEF!!! :mad:

KOKO, IF YOU CAN LEARN SIGN LANGUAGE, YOU CAN LEARN TO LUCID DREAM!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE SMARTEST GORILLA EVER!!!

and you guys say there are no side effects :wink:
i never questioned if the experience you claim to have is real.. i only questioned if it's THAT REAL in terms of see, hear, touch (as in reality)..
again how do you know you're not dreaming right now?

one more question... as to my understanding when you finally realize you're dreaming then the whole dream session becomes under your direct control - i wonder if theres a same formula to the real world a.k.a. the matrix :shock:

Koko - the nature of a vivid dream is that whatever you put your attention on, becomes detailed. That makes it as real as you can make out.

Now.. different people had different 'realism'.. and certain exceptions.
Like you say, if it was 100% realistic.. how would you be able to tell the difference.

One answer is : if you can DO matrix stuff - you've either broken serious ground in the paranormal - or you're dreaming.
The other answer is, there are exceptions usually. Eg. most people can block their nose and keep on breathing while dreaming. And obviously thats not normal. Mirrors cause odd effects, and some people cannot read properly + consistently (not me.. other ppl ;) )

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Tibetan dream yogis learn to control dreams, and are then taught that its no different to the real world - ie. the 'real world' is only a little more substantial than dreams, but can also be altered by willpower.
Interesting, eh? :shock:

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Upon learning lucid dreaming, you can forget about hallucinogens :) cause LDing is so much better and more potent...

well, computer games still exist, as you cant dream whole day...

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Oh and hallucinogens still exist because we cant lucid dream all the time either... ok i'll shut up now.. :breakitdown:[/b]

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Hmm...Good Point, I like that.