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Can anyone explain to me in some sort of scientific or logical terms, why it easier to WILD after 7-8 hours sleep, rather than doing it as we go to sleep at night? i no it can be done both ways but the general way of doing it seems to be after sleep. ??
thanks
To my understanding you go through different cycles of sleep after you go to bed. Something like light sleep then heavy sleep followed by REM(rapid eye movement) sleep. REM sleep is when you dream.
You repeat this light/heavy/REM cycle throughout the night with each REM cycle becoming longer as the cycles progress. The longest cycle of REM sleep is in the morning just before you wake up, lasting up to an hour or so.
If you wake up then go back to sleep it is much easier to WILD because its much more likely you will enter REM sleep straight away.
This is why the WBTB method works well for LDing.
Great answer, cheers
Stages of sleep:
http://www.dreamviews.com/sleepstages.php
It's not easier, but more productive if you do it 4-6 hours later. You dream every REM stage. If you wanted you could do a WILD when you go to bed. Every REM stage is longer then the last one. So if you wake up after a few hours of sleep, your next dream will be longer and ofcourse this includes a LD if you have one. It's also nice if you wake up just before the REM stage, so you don't have to wait for it too long.
Oh and you do a WILD not be one :P
It should be 5-6 hours, not 7-8.
But yes, the concept is that your sleep cycles repeat every 90 minutes, and each time it repeats you have less deep sleep and more REM (dream) sleep.
By waking up after 5 or 6 hours, you prep your awareness for being lucid, and have more chance of succeeding with an LD because there's just basically more dreams to be successful with :)
Welcome to the forum :)
It's pretty much to do with the REM cycle, I think the first few stages of sleep don't have dreams or atleast has a very minute chance of having a dream. Where as a few hours into it, like the third stage is when you enter the REM (rapid eye movement) stage which consists of dreams.
That's why it's best to try a WBTB after 5 hours.
I've also heard several different things. From 3-4 hours, to 5-6 hours. Either way, it's better to attempt a WILD after the REM has initiated.
It's not that REM initiates only after 5/6 hours... let me explain..
When you first fall asleep, you have a very very brief dreamlike state... HI mostly. Then you hit deep sleep. You stay like that for almost 90 minutes before you come up to dream for only a few seconds.
Then it repeats. But this time, you have more than a few seconds of dreams.
Then it repeats again. Each time more dream time.
After this number of cycles (4.5 hours), you have more dream time than deep sleep.
This means it's easier to hit a lucid dream because (1) there's more dreams and (2) you did a WBTB which awakened your consciousness a bit
What Placebo said.
So, it's not neccesarilly easier to Wild after sleeping.. its just, you'll get more out of it if you're successful.
so if you dont dream for the first few hours of sleeping how do people enter in to the Ldream straight away after falling asleep at night?
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Originally Posted by liverred
(1) It's in the middle of the day. Circadian rhythms in monophasically sleeping people result in afternoon naps having proportionately more REM, often right from the start of the nap.
(2) They are well rested and need no rejuvenating deep sleep. This results in more REM, earlier in the sleep cycle. e.g. with WBTB
(3) They only believe that their dream occurred straight away. However it's a perception of time issue.
I have dreams in the first hours of sleep :? .Quote:
Originally Posted by liverred
Probably really, really short ones if it's in the first 90 minutes.
And in the following 90 minutes, they can be slightly longer.
Either that, or you aren't really tired when you go to sleep - do you sleep a lot in the day?
In any case, I didn't say you don't get dreams in the first few hours... there's just few of them, and often harder to recall and be lucid in ;)