Introduction & first post

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03-02-2008, 09:39 AM
Setup56

Introduction & first post

Hi everyone! Im very new to lucid dreaming (I discovered it 3 days ago from a link in DeviantArt) and, well I have had only one lucid dream in my life (i think) and it was something like walking on the pavement in front of my school where i realized i was dreaming and woke up. It was 2 years ago though.

Is there a quickstart to lucid dreaming? I tried listening to some weird 10 minute beep or so in the first day. All it did was nothing. On the second day I made an actual binaural beat which i listened when i went to bed (it was 3 hours long and 491 MB, my mobile has still that in it). All it did is woke me up in the middle of the night where i wrote up my dream into the journal for the very first time. Then i replayed the sound thing again and sleeped on, but i couldn't get sleep. I was really surprised though that when i got sick of the sound it was playing for like 60 minutes! It felt for like 10 minutes actually. Then i turned the sound off and slept on. In the morning i wrote up the second dream. And the third time, which was the night of today i tried WBTB and WILD together. I went to bed 1:00 and woke up at 5:00, stayed up for 10 minutes and went to bed again. I was lying on my back and just thinking about dreaming. I even counted the 1. Im dreaming 2. Im dreaming 3. Im dreaming etc. (in my mother language of course). But after 45 minutes nothing had really happened except some sound which im afraid were real so i just got tired and turned myself and slept. I saw like 3 dreams in total this night but i only remembered one because i didn't write up the dream when i woke up immideatly, so i only rememebered the one i saw the very last. And from even that i remembered a tiny bit. Then i woke up and thats all. No lucid dreams yet :(. Also that day before that night i did a lot of reality checks (i checked the time on my mobile loads of times), but it didnt help.

And i also have a question: if lucid dreams are so extremely good, then why you even want to wake up from it? Or it is forced like i can see from posts?

Help me to lucid dream please.
03-02-2008, 11:42 AM
AmazeO XD

Well, welcome to Dream Views my friend!

Please check this out...
Newbie Zone Quickstart Guide

If you've already read that, well here's what I can tell you. Keep a dream journal... and be sure to fill it with as much details as possible. Do alot of reality checks to start out with, and before you go to sleep, trying logging on here, or reading stuff about lucid dreaming. Also, auto-suggestion works great. Before you go to sleep, just think to yourself "i will have a lucid dream". It just might work!

To answer your other question. Lucid dreams are very amazing. No one really wants to wake up from them at all.

Most beginners wake up just from pure excitement. If you ever get too excited in a dream, or scared, you will wake up. Say for instance, you're in a nightmare, and a monster is about to eat you. You will usually wake up just from pure fear. Same with lucid dreams. That split second you realize you're dreaming, a million thoughts go through you... "FINALLY! WOW! THIS IS GREAT!"
And bam, you get too excited and wake up.

So, I hope that answered your questions. Have fun on DV!
03-02-2008, 12:21 PM
Setup56

Can a beginner also experience a lucid dream when first going to bed? Because 5 days in my week are schooldays and i have to go to sleep at 23:00 and wake at 7:00 (Sometimes i wake 6:40 or 7:30 or so), so i cant wake up at 5:00 or 4:00 and try WBTB. So when i go to sleep at 23:00 can i experience a lucid dream? If i can then how.
03-02-2008, 12:39 PM
Luminous

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Originally Posted by Setup56

Can a beginner also experience a lucid dream when first going to bed? Because 5 days in my week are schooldays and i have to go to sleep at 23:00 and wake at 7:00 (Sometimes i wake 6:40 or 7:30 or so), so i cant wake up at 5:00 or 4:00 and try WBTB. So when i go to sleep at 23:00 can i experience a lucid dream? If i can then how.

It takes approximately 90 minutes from you fall asleep until you reach your first REM cycle, meaning it takes about 90 minutes until you start dreaming. WBTB isn't the best thing you can do on a school/work night... I'd recommend doing that on weekends.
03-02-2008, 12:43 PM
AmazeO XD

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Originally Posted by Setup56

Can a beginner also experience a lucid dream when first going to bed? Because 5 days in my week are schooldays and i have to go to sleep at 23:00 and wake at 7:00 (Sometimes i wake 6:40 or 7:30 or so), so i cant wake up at 5:00 or 4:00 and try WBTB. So when i go to sleep at 23:00 can i experience a lucid dream? If i can then how.

It's called DILD. Sometimes, when you are in a dream, you just realize you are dreaming. This can happen anytime from 90 minutes into your sleep cycle, to when you wake up. Just do alot of reality checks, try to improve your dream recall, and be more aware about your dreaming world.
03-02-2008, 01:20 PM
Setup56

Can auto-suggestion help with it? Like when i constantly repeat "I will know that i will dream tonight! I will do the reality test!", does it increase the chances of LD (At 23:00)?
03-02-2008, 01:21 PM
Luminous

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Originally Posted by Setup56

Can auto-suggestion help with it? Like when i constantly repeat "I will know that i will dream tonight! I will do the reality test!", does it increase the chances of LD (At 23:00)?

It won't make you dream right away at 23:00, but it will increase your chances of becoming lucid when you do dream. :)
03-02-2008, 02:33 PM
Setup56

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Originally Posted by Luminous

It won't make you dream right away at 23:00, but it will increase your chances of becoming lucid when you do dream. :)

Does my dream recall influence it too? Should i keep writing my dreams into my dream journal? And is WILD actually possible at 23:00?

And do binaural beats also influence it?

(Im sorry i ask so much but im curious and i really want to experience it)
03-02-2008, 02:59 PM
Luminous

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Originally Posted by Setup56

Does my dream recall influence it too? Should i keep writing my dreams into my dream journal? And is WILD actually possible at 23:00?

And do binaural beats also influence it?

(Im sorry i ask so much but im curious and i really want to experience it)

Auto-suggestion can help dream recall, too. :) WILD is only possible when you're in a REM cycle, so it won't work if you try at 23:00 unless you have taken a nap that makes you hit a REM cycle at that time.

I'm not sure how binaural beats influence lucid dreams and dream recall, but if you search the forum, you will find lots of info about it. :)
03-02-2008, 03:01 PM
Setup56

Which is the best method to find out when i can try for a WILD?
03-02-2008, 03:03 PM
Luminous

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Originally Posted by Setup56

Which is the best method to find out when i can try for a WILD?

Well, the best time to WILD is in the morning, because you will have slept for a while so that REM cycles occur more frequent, and they last longer. When you wake up from a dream, you are likely to be in a REM cycle, but you also risk being at the end of one.
03-02-2008, 03:04 PM
Setup56

So the best time to do a WILD is 7:00, when i went to bed at 23:00?
03-02-2008, 03:08 PM
AmazeO XD

No. The best time WILD is about 5-6 hours after 23:00. But WILD is a very advanced technique, and may be difficult to achieve.
03-02-2008, 03:08 PM
Luminous

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Originally Posted by Setup56

So the best time to do a WILD is 7:00, when i went to bed at 23:00?

Yes, around that time, which is one reason why it's better and easier to WILD on weekends. People also have success with WBTB + WILD, around 5:00 when they went to sleep at around 23:00, give or take an hour or so. :) I've had WILDs at 4:00-5:00 when I fell asleep at 23:00, but they weren't planned.
03-02-2008, 03:13 PM
Setup56

Do you remember your lucid dreams when you wake up? And when in a lucid dream do you have 100% thoughts? For example you remember everything the same as if you were awake? Can you even solve a quadratic equatation system if you want to?

Is it like that when you wake up you might not remember everything from your last lucid dream but when you lucid dream next time you remember all from previous lucid dreams? Will a lucid dream become like an advanced world which you can only remember everything when you are in there?
03-02-2008, 03:18 PM
Luminous

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Originally Posted by Setup56

Do you remember your lucid dreams when you wake up? And when in a lucid dream do you have 100% thoughts? For example you remember everything the same as if you were awake? Can you even solve a quadratic equatation system if you want to?

Is it like that when you wake up you might not remember everything from your last lucid dream but when you lucid dream next time you remember all from previous lucid dreams? Will a lucid dream become like an advanced world which you can only remember everything when you are in there?

To answer your first question, it depends on recall. It is perfectly possible to forget lucid dreams. You may or may not have clear thoughts, that can also depend on how lucid you are. I'm participating in a study about memories in lucid dreams, and so far I've been unable to remember that I was supposed to remember something, even though I was fully lucid! But, you can have lucid dreams with clarity of thought, and then being able to solve equations ect. that you can also solve in real life. :)

When it comes to remembering previous lucid dreams, I have been able to remember past lucid dreams that I had forgotten, however this has often been proved to be a false memory.
03-02-2008, 03:21 PM
Setup56

So the memory you have in a lucid dream is nowhere are good as the memory in real life? And do you REALLY feel everything and think like in real life in lucid dream? It sounds like a ... ... ... dream come true?
03-02-2008, 03:25 PM
Luminous

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Originally Posted by Setup56

So the memory you have in a lucid dream is nowhere are good as the memory in real life? And do you REALLY feel everything and think like in real life in lucid dream? It sounds like a ... ... ... dream come true?

Personally, the only times where I have had full clarity of thought in my dreams are when I have WILDs. At least when it comes to me, my memory is not as good, and I tend to end up with some false memories that I believe to be true (memories from real life). Not all lucid dreams are the same to everyone, but those lucid dreams that are really clear and vivid, will feel amazing, and in a way "hyper-real". THAT is a dream come true. :D
03-02-2008, 03:42 PM
Setup56

But i dont get it, when you are completely sure that you are dreaming, why do you tend to forget it? If you have an amazing experience in real life you will remember it forever without needing to write it down.
03-02-2008, 03:50 PM
Luminous

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Originally Posted by Setup56

But i dont get it, when you are completely sure that you are dreaming, why do you tend to forget it? If you have an amazing experience in real life you will remember it forever without needing to write it down.

That's true, but your brain doesn't work quite the same way when you're dreaming as when you're awake. They are still dreams. I know that if I have a lucid dream that wasn't very vivid, and I didn't do anything about the fact that I was dreaming, even though I was lucid, I might not remember it, especially if it was really early in the night. However, if I'm reminded of it during the day afterwards, the memory will pop up again. I hope that makes sense?
03-02-2008, 04:01 PM
thcisme

From what ive read from other websites your best bet is too picture somethin fun you want to do while lucid like flying, and go to bed with intention of doin reality checks(worked for me) then again im no expert ive only had one lucid dream so far
03-02-2008, 04:02 PM
AmazeO XD

Jesus christ. This is like, doubt central.

It's just different, okay?
03-02-2008, 04:18 PM
Flavour of Night

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Originally Posted by Setup56

But i dont get it, when you are completely sure that you are dreaming, why do you tend to forget it? If you have an amazing experience in real life you will remember it forever without needing to write it down.

Dreaming is naturally set up not to get transferred to long term memory, and often doesn't even make it to near short-term memory.

While we do "tend" to forget our dreams, some people tend to remember dreams more clearly than others. We all have our natural level of general recall, and this can be improved with effort.

You might want to read up on dream recall in the various tutorials.
03-02-2008, 06:00 PM
Wavefunction

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Originally Posted by Setup56

But i dont get it, when you are completely sure that you are dreaming, why do you tend to forget it? If you have an amazing experience in real life you will remember it forever without needing to write it down.

As Flavour of Night explained, dreams just don't get put into memory. Many times you'll wake up with a clear memory of a dream, and then a few hours later, when you try to write it down, you can't remember it nearly as well. So even if the dreams make it to your short-term memory when you wake up, they're not necessarily going to stay there. This is the purpose of writing down your dreams, known as dream journaling. There's a tutorial that should answer most of your questions about dream recall.

Welcome to Dreamviews! :)
03-03-2008, 07:30 AM
Setup56

Can you get a lucid dream within 45 minutes? For example when you accidentally fall sleep during class. I know that I sometimes, when noone disturbs me, I see some dreams.
03-03-2008, 07:31 AM
Wavefunction

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Originally Posted by Setup56

Can you get a lucid dream within 45 minutes? For example when you accidentally fall sleep during class. I know that I sometimes, when noone disturbs me, I see some dreams.

Within 45 minutes you should be able to get a lucid dream, however the really long, better quality dreams are usually in the later REM periods, a few hours into sleep.
03-03-2008, 02:14 PM
Setup56

Wow! Lucid dream in 45 minutes! I wish I will be able to do it someday. Right now I haven't had any LD yet. :(
But when you want to lucid dream in 45 minutes then should you use WILD technique?
03-05-2008, 06:00 AM
Wavefunction

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Originally Posted by Setup56

Wow! Lucid dream in 45 minutes! I wish I will be able to do it someday. Right now I haven't had any LD yet. :(
But when you want to lucid dream in 45 minutes then should you use WILD technique?

Yes, WILD would be the most effective for going quickly into a lucid dream. Be warned though, WILDing is difficult even after WBTB, so it's going to be even harder trying to do it without WBTB.

Don't give up on the lucid dreams - it can take time. Just keep dream journaling and reality checking! :)