Dreaming you became lucid?

This morning when I woke up, I remembered a dream I had where I did the clock reality check many times, all failing. I realized I was dreaming and proceeded to try and summon someone. At one point I remember spinning, whether because I read about it and it was in my subconscious or I thought I was losing lucidity, I'm not sure. :?

What I want to know is, is it possible to dream that you became lucid? Or is it just that I forgot what exactly it was like in the dream and can't make proper judgment (this probably being my first LD in years, if ever)? I'm still learning dream recall (since June 10th) and never actually thought about having an LD seriously; I wanted to actually get dream recall down before then, so this dream came as a surprise to me.

No, you can't dream that you know that you're dreaming. The brain doesn't do recursion :P

Why not? I'd say anything is possible in dreams! wouldn't you!?

You can't dream that you know that you're dreaming.

Assume that you dreamed that you were lucid
While in a dream:
knowledge = dream knowledge
dream knowledge = you're lucid
Transitively you're lucid = knowledge.

There fore you know when you are lucid.

okay I have had a dream where I thought I was lucid I saw my body from a third person perspective and thought it was lucid though I really had no control because I was merely watching!

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

No, you can't dream that you know that you're dreaming. The brain doesn't do recursion :P

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I'm happy to go with this! Yay, my first LD, a DILD.

Thank you. http://tanomono.net/cutenews/data/emoticons/h-happy.gif

actually ninja, I've dreamt that I was lucid dreaming. Like, I kept saying "hey I'm dreaming! I'm lucid" and would do things that I would do in a lucid dream but I had absolute 0% control. I know the definition of lucid dreaming is to be aware that you're dreaming, but although my dream self kept saying I was, I really didn't know it. I wasn't aware of the fact that I was dreaming at all. As far as I was concerned when I said "i'm dreaming", they were only words that had no meaning. So yes, it's possible to dream that you're lucid dreaming, but doesn't happen as often as you might think. Mostly it's just because you didn't have much control and it was fuzzy, but it really was a lucid dream. Just a crappy one.

I had pretty much the same thing happen last week. Despite what others say, I'm sure it was just a dream of a LD. Said "hey, I'm dreaming", expected the dream to suddenly come to life, but it didn't. Was still very much an unconscious dream. I'm sure it was just all my thoughts of LDs throughout the day creeping into my dream.

I think it's a very blurred line, and definitely arguable.

I however, agree that it is possible to dream that you are lucid dreaming, as I have had dreams similar to the ones mentioned above.

Some may believe that this kind of thing is just low-level lucidity, but if so, I personally believe that it is too low of a level of lucidity to be considered truly lucid.

If you know your dreaming, its a lucid dream. Very simple to grasp in my opinion.
Also.....just because you can't control it, doesn't mean your not lucid. I've had many lucid dreams where I had no control, its very aggravating but it does happen.

There was nothing lucid about the dream I had. It bore no resemblance to reality; it was just like any other dream. I just happened to dream that I became aware I was dreaming.

The week prior I had a dream that I was on a spaceship and I was thinking "wow, this is so cool, I'm actually in space! I've dreamt about this so many times, but now it's actually happening for real and it's not a dream!" Then of course, I woke up and realised the whole thing was a complete chimera. Then a week later, I thought "hey, this is a dream, I've finally become aware of it whilst asleep." After I woke up, again, I discovered I had dreamt the whole thing. Same dream, different subject matter, that's all. I did not actually become aware of being in a dream any more than I was really on a spaceship.

i definitely had dreams of me thinking about being lucid, or dreaming that i was dreaming. i know it sounds confusing and far fetched but this happened several times. recently i had a dream about people becoming lucid (this is during a false awakening) and they kept disappearing and reappearing again. i just stood there and watched. i thought to myself "if only they can become lucid then they wouldn't have to do that, they would be able to control their actions!". very strange to say the least.

so sorry Ninja, i have to disagree with you from personal experience.

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Originally Posted by heebiejeebies

There was nothing lucid about the dream I had. It bore no resemblance to reality; it was just like any other dream. I just happened to dream that I became aware I was dreaming.

The week prior I had a dream that I was on a spaceship and I was thinking "wow, this is so cool, I'm actually in space! I've dreamt about this so many times, but now it's actually happening for real and it's not a dream!" Then of course, I woke up and realised the whole thing was a complete chimera. Then a week later, I thought "hey, this is a dream, I've finally become aware of it whilst asleep." After I woke up, again, I discovered I had dreamt the whole thing. Same dream, different subject matter, that's all. I did not actually become aware of being in a dream any more than I was really on a spaceship.

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I don't really understand what you mean by "it bore no resemblance to reality"??
I don't think a lucid dream has to be anyware close to reality. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to tell you that you had a lucid dream, it either was or it wasn't, only you know that.
I'm just not really following your way of thinking is all.

What I mean is, it was just a vague series of images in my head, like a movie, or like any ordinary dream. There was no semblance of reality. I didn't feel like I was really in the dream at all.

I get what they mean, ninja. Something just clicks when you become lucid. You can say it's a dream all you want, and do things thinking you're lucid, but unless that something clicks, you're not really lucid.

Hmm, that's definitely something to think about. :?

I kinda see what your talking about now.
I had a dream last night that I was talking to a friend about lucid dreaming. I told him that I had the ability to control my dreams and what not.
I know this is different than what you've experianced, but I relized after thinking about it more, that you could in fact dream that you are "saying" your lucid and not be. Obviously you can say your lucid all you like, but that doesn't make you lucid.