Thread: Awakening

hello friend to DV or Dream Views

Thanks for the Howdy!
But I think I need an interpreter for your "do to list"

Is it possible that this list represents symbols?

not really just things i want 2 do when im lucid

to DV, Passort!

I'm pretty new here too, but I have learned an immense amount in the past week from these guys. If you need to know anything about lucid dreaming, sleep, or just dreaming in general, look no further.

Enjoy your stay, and I hope you have a dream journal!

1.fly into cloulds
2.meet Dream Guide
3.turn someone in a fish
4.make a dragon
5. make it rain fish and dragons

I am not trying to difficult when I say that everyone of those things is possible in your "waking" state. For instance, to the first one you can board a plane. To the second one, you can look into a mirror. You get my point. I believe that anything is possible in "real" (reel) life, and that all of life is lived in the dream state. The wonderful realization is that "day dreaming" is even more powerful than "night dreaming". We are the creators of our own reality and it's effortless. We are not aware that we are doing this. Most do what they are told and not question very much. I began to question everything even though at first it was quite intimidating. I immediately recognized that I was "in the box" and wanted out. This led me to find that my box was inside another one still. I wanted to know what was going on. To think that my "awake" state was yet another dream brought the realization that it was possible to make the experience a lot more fun. I have a lot of baggage that I've carried for far too long. There was a well worn path in my brain that seemed to only be able to see limitation. I was able to find the program in my mind memory system. I experienced immediate changes in my lucid life. The night dreams are becoming as vivid as my day dreams. The baggage just fell away and no longer gets in the way. Try asking yourself during your waking period, "am I dreaming or not?". The results might just surprise you.

~L

Originally Posted by Passort

I am not trying to difficult when I say that everyone of those things is possible in your "waking" state. For instance, to the first one you can board a plane. To the second one, you can look into a mirror. You get my point. I believe that anything is possible in "real" (reel) life, and that all of life is lived in the dream state. The wonderful realization is that "day dreaming" is even more powerful than "night dreaming". We are the creators of our own reality and it's effortless. We are not aware that we are doing this. Most do what they are told and not question very much. I began to question everything even though at first it was quite intimidating. I immediately recognized that I was "in the box" and wanted out. This led me to find that my box was inside another one still. I wanted to know what was going on. To think that my "awake" state was yet another dream brought the realization that it was possible to make the experience a lot more fun. I have a lot of baggage that I've carried for far too long. There was a well worn path in my brain that seemed to only be able to see limitation. I was able to find the program in my mind memory system. I experienced immediate changes in my lucid life. The night dreams are becoming as vivid as my day dreams. The baggage just fell away and no longer gets in the way. Try asking yourself during your waking period, "am I dreaming or not?". The results might just surprise you.

~L

Wooooooah. That's deep, man.

Hey Scarhand,
I just read your profile and see that you are 15yrs old. That's awesome. You are on the cutting edge and starting much earlier then me. I have many years on you but I can feel a strong connection. We are all connected. Even the soft flutter of a butterfly's wings is felt around the whole world. You can be, have, or do anything. Nothing is impossible for you if you believe it to be so. Dream BIG.

Originally Posted by Passort

Hey Scarhand,
I just read your profile and see that you are 15yrs old. That's awesome. You are on the cutting edge and starting much earlier then me. I have many years on you but I can feel a strong connection. We are all connected. Even the soft flutter of a butterfly's wings is felt around the whole world. You can be, have, or do anything. Nothing is impossible for you if you believe it to be so. Dream BIG.

I feel the same thing. We're all here for a reason, we want to study dreams, or have lucid dreams.

And man, you speak very deeply.

Hi Passort
I'm portuguese so you have to forgive my bad english.
I'm a "day dreamer". I always was and I hate it. It takes my energy away from me and takes me out of reality. Just want to know your opinion about it.
thanks for your time

oh and another thing
I gave the same name to my thread than you without seeing yours.
coincidence...
but well..
I'm old enough to know that a coincidence is just a coincidence...

Howdy Abazur
I guess the point that I was addressing is this:

Are we dreaming?" Most people say no, because they don't realize that we
are always dreaming. The answer is always yes. This is because we are always
seeing the world of illusion, full of colors and shapes and objects.

So we ask, "Are we dreaming?" and the answer is "Yes, we are dreaming."
Finally, we come to the realization that we are dreaming. This realization
opens us up to a new world of possibilities. If we realize that life is a dream, we don't have to run away. We can face everything that life presents to us. That we are dreaming in day-to-day existence is not a static awareness. It
is not a "state." It is a process. The process involves being aware of
dreaming in our daily life, using the constant affirmation: "Yes, I am
dreaming."
We all have had a feeling in a dream that it is so real; there can be no
doubt that we are awake. But then we wake up and say, "It wasn't real. It
was a dream." But nothing is more real than our dreams. And it is too late
when we wake up after a dream to ponder it. There is nothing to gain in
mulling over the memory.

Again, "waking" life is also a dream. This is the paradox of the belief
installed in the consciousness. We have believed that dreaming was not real
and that reality was not a dream. They are both real.

Perhaps we are all taking "life" much too seriously.

well...
I would love to agree with your lovely theory...
but I bet Karadzic in Haia would love you theory too.
Don't get me wrong please... but I think if we were dreaming life would never be as bad as it is.

It is a shocking theory, isn't it? Shocking to think that we could be doing all of this to ourself. Perhaps our purpose here is to recognize just how powerful is the imagination and what better way than to experience it than directly?

If we look at the inner essence of
challenge, we can see that it reflects a part of us that creates the problem
or challenge. It is a lesson about our Self based on an improper memory
perception. If we can see the energy beneath the problem, we can become more
integrated and whole because we haven't separated from the part of us that
created the challenge. Every crisis is a learning opportunity.
We become knowledgeable by finding the Source behind the dream. We perceive
knowledge intuitively through the Dreamer of the Dream or the Dream Being.
This is the source of the energy that animates the dream. The Dream Being
dreams up or creates the experience we are dreaming. All that we see in
dreaming is based on our memories. The entire Universe is dreaming its
existence.

Every argument is based on experienced evidence which would mean that both parties are right. How can one argue with direct experience? My theory suggests that we never ever experience anything but the past. The future will always be the future and the present is formed from memory of past experiences manifested in slightly different circumstances which works to keep us in denial that we could or would create such a thing for ourself.
The outcome of this theory would be to suggest that if this were true then it is also possible to make our daily dream experience more exciting and fun. The very word, re-creation is the word recreation. I suggest that we forget the past and everything we have allowed it to mean to us. Recognize just how powerful the past has been in the present moment. Start a new dream......period.
Every action by the body requires thinking (dreaming) first. You are unable to pick up a cup of coffee until the thought of doing so passes quickly through your mind's processing equipment. No great invention just happened ......until after the thought. Why should our daily life be so difficult? Simply because that has been our previous experience and memory loves to repeat itself over and over again. You've heard the "old" saying...."there is nothing new under the sun". Is this saying "true" or "false"?

I am not searching for answers.....I am searching for questions. Everyone is doing one or the other.

Originally Posted by Passort

My theory suggests that we never ever experience anything but the past.

Sorry, don't understand. If we are always dreaming from where do we get our experience to experience the past? What past? Our past dreams? If we are always dreaming then we don't have a past. But we can't be dreaming without any experience. So we must have lived some experiences. In that case maybe we are living now too. NO?

The way I would understand this is to realize that we are the creators of every experience. The experience itself had to be created by thought previous to the action. Just as a movie would be. Once the movie is playing on the screen it is too late to change the beginning of the movie. It was already decided ahead of "time". To understand and apply this would require acknowledgement of the power of the mind. And then to understand why we would do the same thing over and over when we we were not enjoying the story line of the movie. This is where our past thoughts and actions are repeated without knowing what we were doing. For instance, if you "think" or "know" that someone will be angry with you for something you did then perhaps it was at point that you saw in your mind's eye would manifest as coming to pass. In other words, one will experience what one believes he will. The power to change anything is possible through this understanding and examination. This is why the "now" is so awesome. The being still and not allowing those negative voices in your head to any longer create that which was so displeasing.
Have you ever noticed that there is a running dialog constantly taking place in your mind? This thinking process wants to run the show and we allow it to by not realizing that do not have to listen to or believe any negative or limiting thought. These thoughts are there because of past experience or believeing something that we heard. I truly believe we need to "make up" our own mind concerning absolutely everything. Nobody wants to be told what to do and yet we have all experienced very early in life that it is necessary to obey parents, rules, and laws.
Could it be that we are a law unto ourself? Is it possible that we are limited only because we believe that we are? Is anything possible?
Thanks for the dialog and interest.

Passort. It looks like I've been missing out on all the fun.

Originally Posted by Passort

I am basing this on the theory that all of life is a dream. That nothing is "so called" real. This would certainly fit the descriptions that I have found in my research. The brain cannot tell the difference which is which. Memory is required in each of them.

I recently found this article about visual perception that really made me think about the ability our minds have to generate a world based on expectation:
http://www.livescience.com/strangene...ee-future.html

Have you had much experience with dream memory? I have been fascinated with it recently. Mainly the false memories that just appear in our minds to explain a dream. It is especially frightening in lucid dreams, when you can explore the memories while they are being created. It is like we provide ourselves with false memories just by asking for them.

I immediately began to experience a change in just about everything. Especially past experiences that were so painful and long held and had become a repeating pattern.

Are you Buddhist? Have you read much about Tibetan Dream Yoga?

Originally Posted by Passort

I am not trying to difficult when I say that everyone of those things is possible in your "waking" state.

I think that this is an important point about waking and dreaming. The world may be an illusion, but that does not mean we are just watching it unfold. We participate in our life constantly and change it through our actions. We can do anything we want. It may take a lot of work to do it, but it is possible if you free yourself from the limitations of laziness and fear of the unknown.

Originally Posted by Passort

We all have had a feeling in a dream that it is so real; there can be no
doubt that we are awake. But then we wake up and say, "It wasn't real. It
was a dream."

It is frustrating that we naturally forget and dismiss dreams as soon as we wake. I don't think it is because we ignore them. I think it is just the way our memory works. We keep dream memories separate from waking memories. Even with years of dedicated practice, it is difficult to hold onto the memory of a dream minutes after waking from it. I think this is, again, telling of the illusory world we are trapped in. We can have an amazing dream where we are fascinated by how real everything seems. Then, minutes after waking from it, it seems like a hazy distant memory.

For example, I will wake from a dream, and ask myself, "Did it truly feel that real? I remember marveling at the realism, but it surely was not as real as this world?" Then I will realize I am still in a dream! A false awakening! I will wake for real, and ask myself the same question.

Any way I look at it, I come to the same conclusion. Memories can't be trusted.

Originally Posted by abazur

Sorry, don't understand. If we are always dreaming from where do we get our experience to experience the past?

When we are dreaming, (in the conventional sense) where do we get our experiences? Even in a lucid dream, there are events going on in the dream that are outside our control. There is a part of our mind that we are not in control of. I have vivid lucid dreams where surprises still pop up. How can I surprise myself? Where do the false history and false memories come from in dreams?

Originally Posted by Passort

Could it be that we are a law unto ourself? Is it possible that we are limited only because we believe that we are? Is anything possible?

Again, lucid dreaming supports this. Even with the knowledge that anything is possible in a dream, it is hard to accomplish some things. Expectation plays a huge role in dreams, lucid or not. If I expect something to fail, it will. No matter how much I affirm to myself that it is possible, there still will be some part of myself that will still limit my abilities. It is difficult to overcome these expectations.

Robot Butler;
Thank you, thank you for contributng on this thread. I am led to know that deep thinking/knowing/dreamers are present on this forum. I am here to read, listen, consider, relax, communicate and, hopefully, encourage everyone to ask questions and not settle for another's answer as our own. I look forward with anticipation to many such sessions of exploration.

I love your input and comments.

~L