A Newbie Theory!

I think I'm still within the 1st week mark, so I can post under the newbie forum!
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I was really tired last night, yet I couldn't seem to go to sleep, so I began pondering on lucid dreaming, along with the events of the day.
I started off recalling a conversation with my dad, where he said "There is no reality, only perception." ( I think he got it off The Matrix ). So, okay. We make up "realitys" with perception. Sounds good.
Then I thought, 'what if the dream world is just another "reality" we've made up?'.
What if we could create another?
I'm a little brain-boggled here, so feel free to post and expand on any of this.

That is what many of the great philosophers have been telling us for thousands of years now. Everything is illusion. It is mind that make it reality.

When we dream, especially when we dream lucidly, we are part of a reality that is every bit as real as the reality you are inhabiting right now as you read this.
You cannot prove that the waking reality has any more validity than your dreaming realities.
You cannot even prove that you and I inhabit the same reality. It is just as likely that I am a dream construct typing all of this in and that you will remember this when you wake up from the dream that is your life!

Nice topic pinkcheese! I love to sit and ponder stuff like this!

Arrg! Brain overload! :shock:

ha ha ha!
ya... my brain hurts to after thinking of that. instead of thinking that IM the mental construct, i think 'what if YOU are just a mental construct' it really gets you pondering..... ow... brain cramp lol :D

Hmmm im gonna disagree :P
The dreaming world i would think is every bit as different as this world. This reality is coherent in the fact that it requires no mental effort to keep alive/real/constant (for the majority of people). A dreaming reality can never be permanently added on, in this world we build our lives and constantly update it. You can't do that in a dream, everything is created and destroyed every time you visit it. We are here now typing to each other questioning reality, and how real it is. This is the benchmark, for where everything stems off. We allways end up "here" regardless of any day or conversation.

In this reality there is no being God.
In this reality you can sit in your car and ponder reality.
What i think anyway, for now :P

brain freeze... :eh:

this is a complicated subject, but i agree with Xisdence's post, that we don't have to think about this reality. Things just happen, science is working in our everyday lives to provide the natural laws of the earth... and everyone experiences the same dimension...

but it can still be the flip side, it can be a higher level of perception, as in the Matrix...

grr now i can't think clearly :? :P

We are on the same wavelength Je33ica ;)

At the end of the day, it does come down to perception, but you have to live in a stable realm to actually question your surroundings.

I believe the dreaming world can be as stable as waking reality. It depends on what level of lucidity you have. And how many times you have visited a special place... maybe a place you start at or go to every time you become lucid.
But for the random dreams and low level lucidity the dreams become chaos.

Ah yes, but what if, this reality you think your in now, is a creation of someone, or something else. To put a Theological spin on things, the reason why our dream realities aren't as stable as waking life is because we create them and our knowledge of how to make them stable is very limited, so we do the best we can, whereas in this reality, things are maintained and stabilized by God, and therefore we don't have to think to keep things going, because it's not our created reality. Err, something like that.

To press the matter further, if you really believe that perception is reality, then you run into the fact that if you make perception your reality, then your reality is just what you percieve of another reality.

I back that up with the fact that there are many things in life that exist, that are reality, but I have never, or might not ever percieve them, Such as calculus, I haven't ever percieved it, but it exists and is a very stark reality. Unfortunately.......


So yeah, I'm going to go do algebra homework now, which, sadly, IS part of my reality.......

My poor mind has officially blown up. :flyaway: