Wild and WBTB

I'm sick of this I've been doing a WBTB WILD everynight for a week with still no results not even SP or HH. I get a weird numbness that comes and goes but never actual SP. I'm pressing for wilds because my recall is literally zero and WILD seems to be my only chance at lucidity.

So i would sleep at 11-11:30pm wake up a 4:30-5am get up RC then use the restroom. Go directly back to bed for a wild. This has not worked at all After an hour give or take I just give up turn on my side and fall asleep with no dream recall in the morning.

So I have some questions.

1. Can someone detail the WILD experience? I know we have a bunch of tutorials on it here, but I hear contradictions when others speak of what actually works. When i first began wild I would lay away for hours with no result, then a DV member mentioned on a thread that you must actually fall asleep to wild. It made sense but then I was confused as to how to be aware but fall asleep at the same time, it makes no sense.

2. The next thing is that I cant seem to fall asleep on my back, does this mean I cant wild there either?

3. I have a hard time going to bed fast, I have to have literally zero thought process to go to bed. Thinking period keeps me awake, however if I focus on not thinking eventually I forget I'm focusing on nothingness and drift into sleep without realization. This is why the wild is so confusing, how can I stay awake, but fall sleep!? If i focus on breathing or counting it keeps me awake if I focus on nothing I'll just fall asleep how does this work!? wOULD etwold help me?

4. How can you keep a DJ if your recall is zero every night? What do you write? How can I improve If I have nothing to build on? This also makes no sense to me. (Sure I might remember a dream once in like 3-6 month span)

Really this whole experience is aggravating and I'm getting kinda mad, If I can't get this to work at least within the next two months; at least get simi lucid even for 2 seconds I quit LD'ing.

I am having similar problems, please explain.

1. I think it may have been I that said that. Let me explain it to you:

When I WILD, I don't think of it as *tricking something* into falling asleep. Because quite frankly, WILD's are just that, falling asleep. The difference is that you need to stay aware during the process.

All this *resisting the urge to move* and similar is all BS to me. Those messages you are ignoring mean something: you are uncomfortable, move now or suffer tense and aching muscles. This is why you move around before falling asleep. Eventually, you find a nice position and don't need to move anymore.

In order to pass the time, there are a number of things you can do. It's really up to you. Just make sure you can stay conscious throughout the process. This is the trickiest part, but if you can get this, you can WILD fairly easily. One thing you can do is imagine a cool lucid scenario. Something along those lines would be ideal. IF you end up failing the WILD, at least there's a good chance you'll have a DILD.

2. As I said in number one, do it in any position that is comfortable to you.

3. I'm sure you think about SOMETHING before falling asleep. I think it's quite impossing to think about "nothing". Really it's just a state of mental relaxation and calmness. Again, as I stated before this is the hardest part of the WILD: finding a good balance between awareness and mental relaxation. It takes a few night's experimenting.

4. There could be a number of things affecting your recall: how you wake up, how much sleep you get, how much thought you put into it.

A good thing to try is autosuggestion. Tell yourself you will wake up after every dream. One thing to avoid, especially at early recall stages, is an alarm of some sort. Those can kill recall due to the abrupt awakening. Though, it is not impossible to remember dreams after an alarm call, but it IS harder.

For now, record what you THINK happened. Write emotions, feelings, maybe colours, even if it all seems insignificant now. Your recall will come with time, trust me.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for taking the time to write that up. I'll try everything you said for a few weeks. Thanks.

ok now hold up
The most common misunderstanding in the resist-the-urge-to-move concept is that people like above think you need to be in an uncomfortable position. In any of the main threads/tutorials they say to get into a comfortable place. If you are comfortable it becomes easier, alot easier. I dont know why thats so hard to understand. I have been able to attain SP in both uncomfortable and comfortable positions, its just more subtle and faster in the latter of the two.

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Originally Posted by Sean999

1. I think it may have been I that said that. Let me explain it to you:

When I WILD, I don't think of it as *tricking something* into falling asleep. Because quite frankly, WILD's are just that, falling asleep. The difference is that you need to stay aware during the process.

All this *resisting the urge to move* and similar is all BS to me. Those messages you are ignoring mean something: you are uncomfortable, move now or suffer tense and aching muscles. This is why you move around before falling asleep. Eventually, you find a nice position and don't need to move anymore.

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I couldn't agree more!!