Third-person view

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09-28-2009, 02:02 PM
PeaceL

Third-person view

I most of the time see myself in third-person view when I am dreaming. Third-person is as if the viewing point is not where my eyes are (which would be first-person), but somewhere like 4-5 meters behind my own head. I know I am not the only one having that viewing point since I have already read on the site some discussion about it, but I tried to find it back with the advanced search but you cannot choose 'All these words' like in google or whatever (did I miss that option?) so it's pretty hard finding back the thread.

The weird thing is I still cannot induce LD from it. What can I do to induce LD knowing that it's impossible to see in 3rd person in real life? I also have crazy physics rules during my dreams: I jump very high, go pretty fast on a bike (you know those lines you draw to make it seem that the character is going pretty fast, I actually saw those lines in one of my dream... pretty funny if you ask me), swim pretty fast too... I LOVE a chasing sequence in my dreams. :D
09-28-2009, 02:54 PM
Maria92

I actually had a 3rd-person dream last night. Granted, I was watching other people, so it was more like I was invisible instead of floating outside my own skull, but it was still unusual. I actually had a camera change! I was watching this guy move away from me, and suddenly I'm watching him come toward me. It was the most unusual thing. I think I've been watching too much TV...
09-28-2009, 03:02 PM
Kordan

Sorry PeaceL, this happens to me too, but I have also been unable to induce lucidity out of it. Recently (as of about two or three days ago) I decided that whenever I watch a movie, see a play, or play a game (in which things are happening, and I'm an observer) I'll do regular reality checks. It hasn't worked so far, but I think I'll give it more than two days to work. Perhaps you could try this.
09-28-2009, 03:04 PM
PeaceL

Yeah hahah, I have been watching too much movies!

I didn't think of doing RC during movies, great idea. Although I have been doing normal RC's for a long time and never it never got me a DILD :_(. I am still a noob.
09-29-2009, 03:08 AM
RetroReality

Yea I get third person views all the time in my dreams, and don't get lucid in them. I have gotten lucid only in the first person. It would be interesting to be lucid in the third person though.
09-29-2009, 03:54 AM
PeaceL

It would be really weird because (for me), the 'camera' view isn't always directly behind my head, meaning I could turn my head and look at me.. the camera..?!?! lol

I remember I had a dream pretty recently where I was at a pool and I was jumping really high off the diving board (easily 20 meters). But when I dived, the viewing point was following my body a bit, but not the movements of my head (the 'camera' was always pointing in the same direction, kind of like the Olympics replay of diving competitions)... so technically I should have seen my face when doing the dive, BUT I did a half twist so I did not. So I was looking at my back and the back of my head, diving. I don't know if you understand what I mean. Anyways, the next thing I remember is that I was out of the water, didn't have to swim and get out or what-not, with the 3rd person view still.

So maybe a question to all: did you ever see your face directly when in 3rd person? Not from a mirror or any kind of reflection. If so, how was it? Pretty freaky I would predict. Not your face.. I meant the feeling ;)

And.. is there a way to search with "All these words:" in the search option?

Oh and I just thought of another thing. I had a bad experience in 2006 with blood which caused my heart to be a little more sensitve now, and I have become somewhat afraid of heights like any 'normal' person, the little uplift of the heart, you know :) I was completly unaffected by it before the infamous event though. The thing is I don't recall any fear in my dreams related to heights. So is there a way I could learn from my dreams and reduce or even eventually dissipate my real life acrophobia?
09-30-2009, 02:53 AM
Kordan

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Originally Posted by RetroReality

Yea I get third person views all the time in my dreams, and don't get lucid in them. I have gotten lucid only in the first person. It would be interesting to be lucid in the third person though.

I think that most of my lucids as a child were in the third person actually...and I can't recall off the top of my head what perspective my more recent lucids were in...(goes off to search for dream journals...)

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The thing is I don't recall any fear in my dreams related to heights. So is there a way I could learn from my dreams and reduce or even eventually dissipate my real life acrophobia?

Yeah there is. In fact, in Stephen LaBerge's book "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreams" I think that he addresses the possibility of conquering one's fears!

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It would be really weird because (for me), the 'camera' view isn't always directly behind my head, meaning I could turn my head and look at me.. the camera..?!?! lol

The "view" changes for me...

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So maybe a question to all: did you ever see your face directly when in 3rd person? Not from a mirror or any kind of reflection. If so, how was it? Pretty freaky I would predict. Not your face.. I meant the feeling

And seeing myself was pretty normal for me...I wasn't disturbed by it.
09-30-2009, 05:03 AM
Naiya

Hi Peace, welcome to Dreamviews! :D

Third person dreams always fascinate me. It's kind of like watching a movie of yourself.

I would try doing RCs throughout the day simply asking yourself "Am I seeing the world through the first person, or the third person?" and ask a few other RC questions such as "How did I get here? What was I last doing? Where am I going? Is that loical?"

Also, like someone else suggested, being on the computer, watching TV and movies a lot can bleed over into your dreams. When I spend too much time on the computer ! RC! :P ) I tend to dream about a computer screen or chatroom (usually DV, to boot). Curiously, I don't get lucid from this, even though I'm an avid lucid dreamer. I think it may just be that my brain sort of shuts down or goes into autopilot mode when I'm staring at a screen, so I never step back to RC or be aware of the larger view of my reality.

Maybe we should both RC more when we're looking at a screen. Hopefully it will help! ;)
09-30-2009, 05:33 AM
NewVamp

I've seen myself twice in dreams. The first was about 2 weeks ago, and I did not look like me at all, but somehow I knew it was me. I looked like Clear Rivers from Final Destination (even though I haven't seen that movie in a while), and I had really light blond hair.
The second one was just this morning, but it was an extremely far away veiw and I could only see a silhouette of myself hanging from a ladder 300ft in the air.
10-01-2009, 03:56 AM
Record_sleeper

The weird thing is all my memories are in 3rd person but memories of my dreams are in first DOES THat make SENCE
10-01-2009, 08:36 AM
PeaceL

@ Kordan: Yeah I think I'll buy that book and have it as a night table book for my whole life :D

@ Naiya: Yeah, I haven't been RCing, but I'll try to do it more often. In fact, I am thinking about getting a tattoo of the number three on my hand, like Depp's... to facilitate RCs. And talk about dreams each time someone asks me what's the meaning of the tattoo. That way I can also spread the word about how LD is cool.

@ NewVamp: Both of 'em are weird :roll:

@ Record_sleeper: Huh? I didn't understand what you mean..
10-01-2009, 11:55 AM
Calypso

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Originally Posted by Record_sleeper

The weird thing is all my memories are in 3rd person but memories of my dreams are in first DOES THat make SENCE

yeah 3rd person views are a common event for the simple reason that when your brain stores memories it doesnt store them like a video feed out of your eyes.

Your brain stores memories as almost like words. and uses your imagination to recreate the place your trying to remember.

For example: try to remember something (a place you where at) a cupple of months ago, do you remember it in 1st or 3rd person?

If you think back its prolly in 3rd person your seeing the event or place not from your own eyes but just from random space. This is becuase it uses your imagination with a set of instructions (i.e. stuff in the room) to recreate the memory.

IF your brain stored memory like a camera it would run out of storage and data would corrupt really quick.

So it makes sense that some of your dreams perhaps would be in the 3rd.

Your mind creates dreams, If your dream is in the 1st person it will always be in the first person and if its in the 3rd it will always be in the 3rd. your dreams are created when your mind dumps its RAM into its Hard Drive. dreams are opposite of the wake. If your dreaming your imagination is creating the scinario and your dumping it into your memory, so it wouldnt change perspectives if you tried to remember it. In the wake your mind is remembering real worldly events and putting them in the memory which your imagination has to recreate, its opposite. So you can imagine why it would be in a different perspective since your imagination has a hand in recreating a memory.
10-04-2009, 08:20 PM
blue water

I don't think how we visually percieve dream is a constant that happends during the dream, but more of a result of how our brain decides to gather our impressions upon awakening/ while the dream happends. Basically, I'm sayign there is no first person, no third person view goin on, all views go on at once.

I personally dream in this way, and I believe all people do, but are unaware of it. For when I think about a memory i had, its not viewd from an angle, the whole scene is imagined, so I know the placement of every single component of the scene, it is my imagination that created it. its not viewed, its only known.

This is seen when I try to draw a scene from dream. it turns out to be very difficult as I have to decide from what angle i want to represent, but none of the avaible angles do the dream justice for any one angle will always hide something that you knew of in the dream if you get me. I used to say that i dreamt from 3rd person, but its only decided in that one second what you choose to see the dream from in your memory. 3rd person is maybe often more convenient, and seem prevalent at first. it did for me anyway.
10-04-2009, 10:58 PM
Calypso

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Originally Posted by blue water

I don't think how we visually percieve dream is a constant that happends during the dream, but more of a result of how our brain decides to gather our impressions upon awakening/ while the dream happends. Basically, I'm sayign there is no first person, no third person view goin on, all views go on at once.

I personally dream in this way, and I believe all people do, but are unaware of it. For when I think about a memory i had, its not viewd from an angle, the whole scene is imagined, so I know the placement of every single component of the scene, it is my imagination that created it. its not viewed, its only known.

This is seen when I try to draw a scene from dream. it turns out to be very difficult as I have to decide from what angle i want to represent, but none of the avaible angles do the dream justice for any one angle will always hide something that you knew of in the dream if you get me. I used to say that i dreamt from 3rd person, but its only decided in that one second what you choose to see the dream from in your memory. 3rd person is maybe often more convenient, and seem prevalent at first. it did for me anyway.

thats all relative...

I view dreams from eye poin perspective and thats how my scinario in my dream is created.

As i walk through my dream world things are added and morphed.

I have perspective

if its as you say and the data of your dream is a spool of contents such as random polymorphing objects that compile apoun fetching of the data for the first time than there would be no stor
y lines in dreams! There also wouldnt be the abaility to become lucid!

Dreams do have perspective.