wbtb2?

i was reading the WBTB tutorial and i thought, hey, instead of waking up right before your REM cycle and thinking about lucid dreaming and stuff, why not do that right before you go to bed? or just stay awake until the time of your REM cycle and then fall asleep? it would be much more easier. atleasst i think it would.

You need to sleep in order to reach REM.

oh..

And also, the main point (I think) in WBTB, is to have a better chance of remembering your dreams more vividly, and to get better chances of success when attempting to WILD.

Disclaimer: lengths of REM sleep may be slightly off...sorry.

Also, the longer you've slept, the longer your REM periods will be. For example, when we first go to sleep, our first period of REM is about 5-10 minutes. Later on in the night (say, after eight hours of sleep, the length of your REM cycle has increased to, say a figure of 30+ minutes...because I can't remember the approximation off the top of my head). So, with WBTB, you wake up after six hours (give or take) of sleep, and you have just had a 20 minute (I think) stage of REM sleep. If you perform the WBTB at that time, then it is much easier to have a lucid, because the chances of having a lucid are increased, because you're spending more time in REM (which gives you more chances to do RC's, etc). Your lucids also have the potential to be longer at this point, so... it's better to do the WBTB by actually going "back to bed".

*[Reads and hopes to self that it's not too convoluted... and presses "submit" because who gives a darn]*