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i realy want to know if i can die from lucd dreaming or its induction techniques. also is it possable that evil things wil come in my deam to harm me and i have NO way of protecting myself. i realy dont want to die yet because there is alot i need to die here.
i think i already have had some bad experiance's with dreaming. i got fever from it and i got realy tired
know i dont say these things are directly related to lucid dream but there is a big chance it is
I'm pretty certain dreaming cannot kill you. When you hit later stages of REM your breathing gets shorter and faster and your heart races but that is perfectly normal and natural. The only thing I could really think of is that if anyone has heart problems or bad anxiety should not try certain things like WILD because sleep paralysis can really work them up and scare them. But dreaming cannot kill you whatsoever it's safe and fun!
No.
Nop, LD is safe, and so are all of the induction techniques in the tutorials, can't say the same about the ones not in tuts though, but other than that, you are safe to try it. Welcome to DV btw.
Safer then real life.
The assumption you can die is a strangely common misconception, actually.
ok i wil practice it more
It will probably happen because you believe it will, it won't be real evil things but yourself manifesting these fears. I don't know where you got the idea that you have no way of protecting yourself, that is like giving up before it happens. The best thing you can do is to overcome your fear, if you are fearless, any evil being won't be able to connect to you, with a lot of fear they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahiko
You can't die from lucid dreaming, do you think you can die from normal dreaming too? You are in more control in the lucid dreams, if anything bad comes after you just realize it's your own imagination playing on your fear. Let them disappear, give them a hug, ignore them, just be fearless.
Can you die from going out of your house? Yes, but do you stay in the house the rest of your life?
No, no, no, and no
Nop... you can die in your dream but you will regenerate or wake up with no damage on your real body.
You can enjoy LD without fear and use it to overcome all your fears and have fun.
I'm sure you want to do certain stuff but you can't because you can die. Go ahead and do it while LDing. You won't die and you might accomplish and enjoy it.
i got a feeling i need to learn alot till i am able to do the things i want to
Everyone needs to learn a lot everyday more.
Even Stephen LaBerge (who is the absolute lord of lucid dreaming :lol:) claims that he learns more and more everyday, so keep up the good work, enjoy your dreams, improve your recall and you will start having lots of lucids! And remember, you can't die in real life from a lucid!
You can die in the dream but it wont make you die in real life. Other ways. Lucid Dreaming can't hurt you.
Dreams are dreams. Whether you think they're religious or spiritual messages, or simply your brain's way of contemplating things, nothing is changed by being aware in your dreams, or being lucid. Have you ever died in a dream before? If you have, you've obviously woken up because you're still here. What's the difference with dying in a dream in which you're aware you're dreaming?
The short answer is no.
No, but you can die from a reaction to dream content. Most typical is a heart attack.
Oh my god, really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
Yes, really. One does not acquire immunity from their reactions to the environment just because they are lucid dreaming.
I highly doubt that your physical reactions are that tied to your dream reactions, though. You can't pop a blood vessel if you scream your head off in a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
I am not sure that "dream reactions" is quite right, I said reactions to dream content. But, the root causes of heart attacks are often physical conditioning, facilitated by an external trigger.
There is something more interesting however and that is a cathartic experience triggered by psychological changes brought about by lucid dreaming. One's psychological foundation depends a great deal on learned experience, and as learning actually changes synaptic pathways, it is hard wired. The real psychological changes brought about by lucid dreaming can lead to events in which the mind must actually destroy synaptic pathways because of conflict with what one learns.
The danger in this is that one might seek professional care and the drugs prescribed may interupt a natural and quite frankly mechanical processes. The events are quite intense, and if one does not understand, quite scary. I have, early in my life gone through two of these. The second one, I saw it coming and simply rode it out. The main effects last about three days. Secondary effects can last for months.
The depth of these, of course depends upon one's past experience.
When it was written that at the time of the awakening of man's mind the world will be turned upside down, the reference was to more than doctrinal understanding, but real psychological changes. These changes are not unknown to science, it is known that there are two fundamental methods of processing information. Very high IQ people process information by, as Plato pointed out, the use of standards, definitions. One can see the difference in set theory, the two methods of constructing a set, enumeration and definition. Simpler minds use enumeration, and cannot change, the distinction is effected on a biological level, however, people born with the ability into society as it is today, never learn to exercise thought through definition.
Ugh. Philosopher, your statements, encrypted in a convoluted, complicated way of speaking, confuse me.
You make broad sweeping statements, without actual proof. It's starting to annoy me now.
I'm all for good grammar, spelling, and punctuation, but (a lot of) your posts stink of psychological piffle. We could go on for weeks saying how primitive X (language, technology, the human mind, etc) is, because it makes us look smarter and more intelligent to point out the inadequacies of X, when most people think of X as quite clever or advanced. It's nothing new, I've seen it countless times.
All I'm saying is, a little less of the Plato and old pychological waffle would be nice.
It's not that I lack the intelligence to comprehend such subjects, but personally, I'm here to talk and read about lucid dreaming, not over-complicated psychological waffle, hidden in a maze of archaic English.
No offense (really!), just my opinion. ;-)
Now then, I'm going off to bed. :offtobed:
I really appreciate your whining. However, the assumption that you speak for everyone is quite big of you. However, I do not recall any mandate on this site that I had to dumb down for anyone.
And, your manners are quite clear--you have no desire to clarification or even proof, for if you did, your approach would be the same as anyone does when they seek knowledge.
The selective destruction of synaptic pathways by a brain has even been studied in regards to the common house cat.
You can kill yourself in a dream but you'll wake up perfectly intact.
I cannot agree. I always believed that relation to self was altogether inadmissible. Sometimes we do not clearly understand the words we use.
You could have a heart attack whilst being in the dream, and something in the dream might have some notification that you're having a heart attack perhaps. Or an aneurysm. Nevertheless unless you have extremely poor heart conditions I doubt there's anything you can do close to damaging to yourself.
Even if there was SOME element of risk, it would be extremely minute, and something you should dismiss. Just have fun dreaming :)
no, no and again no. If you could die from it, obviously so many people wouldn't be discussing it, and continuing to do so. If it were to kill you, would we be here typing these very messages to you today? I think not. Welcome to the forums,
-CV
You can not die in reality from a lucid dream (or dream for that matter). Don't let anyone tell you any different.
Not from Lucid Dreaming, but I heard (I have really no evidence of this, haven't even researched it, so it may just be pure bullshit) that someone died during sleep paralysis due to a heart attack.
She "suffered" from sleep paralysis almost every night (I put ' " ' around suffered because I bet that most of us wish we had SP every night), and one of the HI's was so intense that she got a heart attack O.o.
However, I guess that if that really is true, she had no idea about what SP was really about, she had a weak heart and didn't know about lucid dreaming, more specifically the WILD technique.
1) I never at any point implied that I speak for everyone. I made it clear from the start that I was speaking on my own personal behalf. See how I use the worss "personally" and "me" throughout the post?
2) I'm not whining. I'm voicing my opinion on your posts. If you go around saying you can have a heart attack from lucid dreaming.
3) Don't tell me whether I have a desire for knowledge or not. You post no proof for your statements, you only speak of studies that have been carried out. When and where, I have no idea. It's not just about MY desire for knowledge or clarification. Your statements affect other people too - if you say you can have a heart attack lucid dreaming, you might want to back the statement up.
4) "The selective destruction of synaptic pathways by a brain has even been studied in regards to the common house cat." See point number 3.
5) Correct, you've not had to dumb down anything, but phrasing your posts in a more modern manner would probably make them more easy to read. Sometimes I have to take several seconds to figure out what you've said. I imagine those of a younger generation would agree.
6) Studies have shown that a group of dogs that comprise a prime number may, on occasion, share dreams. I'm not going to tell you which studies, because you clearly don't seek clarification, or you would have phrased it differently. See? I can say things without proof, too.
TL;DR
If you tell people something quite shocking, you should provide proof. Otherwise, the statement becomes what I like to call a blatant lie.
Again, no disrespect. Don't bite my head off, I just seek clarity in all things, be it in lucid dreams, through evidence, or in the phrasing of words.
I agree with MythicDreams. You can't make sweeping statements like that without backing it up just slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
Do you even know what "The selective destruction of synaptic pathways by a brain" means?
This is stupid, why is lucid dreaming different than waking life in this regard? Destroy synaptic pathways.. you make it sound like it's bad, that just something you assume right? If one learns something new, why should destroying the synaptic pathways mean anything negative? It's not about the destroying either, but about the creation of new connections, the old ones can still be there without any conflict. You seem to look at it in a very narrow reductionistic way, instead of looking at one very special part of something and extrapolating it to lucid dreaming having destructive properties, you should see it more holistically. Lucid dreaming is (in total) positive for the individual in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
First of all, this is not the Matrix :) If you die in a dream state your body does not die as well. You are perfectly safe in your lucid dreaming.
Second of all, even if you could have a heart attack in relation to dream content, this would be true of any dream and not directly related to lucid dreaming in any way. In fact I would think that normal dreams that you can't control - ie nightmares - would be more likely to induce a heart attack, if that is in fact possible.
I see there's been some tension within the topic, but I'll write this while ignoring everything that doesn't directly relate to the original question, because I'm more concerned about the OP:
Lucid dreaming is very much the same as non-lucid ("regular") dreaming, and therefore whatever happens with regular dreams is what's likely going to happen with lucid dreaming - in this case, you will probably never find yourself dead or in a coma from normal dreams, and therefore you should find the same to be true from having dreams in which you know you're aware that you are inside a dream. That's all it means to lucid dream, just that you're inside a dream and know so. :)
Well, actually, it is possible for your body to break REM atonia while Lucid Dreaming (Just like it can happen in a normal dream. i.e. sleepwalking)
If you go to fly out your window in your dream, and your real body imitates this, then you could die.
But that is the same amount of risk as normal dreaming. In fact, I would say less risk, because when lucid, you have more of a chance of realising your real body is moving (This happened to me once). Which means you are able to stop your body from moving.
But I suppose that isn't really the question.
Basically, you cannot die because of lucid dreaming, But you can die while lucid dreaming. And dying while lucid dreaming isn't a big risk at all, really. the risk is negligible.
It is totally safe. ucid dreaming is no more dangerous than regular dreaming, which happens every night whether you want it or not.
:mad: There is no escaping dreams :mad:
But what about lucid dreaming!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robot_Butler
:cheeky:
Lucid dreaming is no more dangerous than normal dreaming.
PS: If you post BS without any proof, people will call you out on it. Just saying...
Care to provide any credible evidence that lucid dreaming can lead to mental instability and the need for medication? For someone who can't shut up about his great intellect and reasoning skills, you are awfully quick to resort to an anecdote as proof of a phenomenon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
On a side note: Being wordy and name-dropping philosophers doesn't make you any more knowledgeable nor your point any more valid
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...&defid=1309550
no lol...you cant i have had so many dreams falling from buildings ( and hitting the floor ) also being stabbed or shot things like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Kahiko
even more so when your lucid you know its your mind creating it so how could you die ?
and you can not die from holding your breath either ( awake or asleep its impossible )
Yeah, you can't... Since you'll faint from lack of oxygen, and while you're fainted your body will return to breathing normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucidisfree:)
I'm sure the majority of people have had some form of dream where they've died, lucid or not. There'd be a lot less people here if they all died. :P
Would you actually reach the point of fainting, or would you be forced to take a breath before that point?
No, you CAN kill yourself from holding your breath... as long as you do it next to or in a body of water.
So, if you have a lucid dream in a swimming pool, you might die. :)
I feel that the OP should also be informed that lucid dreaming while involved in a gun duel can result in death.
Indeed. Also, if you lucid dream while driving, you might end up dying. Just so you know. :cackle:
Never mind lucid dreaming, I think we're about to give the OP a heart attack. :P
All in all, there's no chance of dying in an LD.
i have had a dream under water in a swimming pool and i woke up and took a deep breath thats why i done alot of research into it :P
If I'm not mistaken, sleepwalking is somewhat of a rare condition and it's genetic or something along those lines, so, if you haven't sleepwalked yet at night, then you aren't likely a sleepwalker :PQuote:
Originally Posted by slash112
Troll, but I'm going to reply anyway.Quote:
No, but you can die from a reaction to dream content. Most typical is a heart attack.
Any assertion that you can die in a dream can't be backed up. How the hell are you going to know what a dead person was dreaming about?
/argument
I believe you might have misread the post you were replying to. The post you read, in case you read it differently than I did, meant that it's possible to have a heart attack from having a terrifying nightmare, an incredibly shocking dream, etc. It's very unlikely, but still possible, and therefore is valid to be mentioned, though it's not a death within a dream, it would be a death you had if you went into cardiac arrest upon awakening from the dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samael
So, you're right: /argument
Just do an RC before jumping out of the first-floor window and you'll be just fine.
In reality you can die from anything. Honestly there are many things we do not know about lucid dreaming but it seems very unlikely it will kill you. I and many others have done it before and are alive to discuss it here and with others. I truly believe the empowerment you will get from it will help you in so many ways, including dealing with your potential fear of death. The most common thing people do when they become lucid, recognize they are have an out of body experience or sleep paralysis is react in a fearful manner. If you can overcome this, it will change your life in many wonderful ways!
I am a very religious person, and i must say devils and demons can cause you mental harm but not physical, unless you became possessed (but i've never heard of that). Plus yo can't get sick after a dream, unless its a sign. the fever was a coinsidense.
I have suffered from very bad night mares since I was a child. The doctor called them night terrors.
I awake to see the most horrible sights. I see people coming towards me with knifes to stab me. I believe they are real at the time. I always jump out of bed screaming to get away from them. I now live on my own & hate going to sleep most nights. It feels like my heart is going to bust with the pain when I see these people beside me.
It takes ages to get myself calm again. The point is, I have been having this happen to me for at least 30 years & I am still here lol. My heart is still beating strong & God only knows how is hasn't packed up on me during one of these night mares. I would love to lucid dream. At least you can get some control.
Well you should get some control, use lucidity to control your dreams and use them to your advantage. Tell your self strongly that you can't be hurt and what happens in a dream is not real. And if you dream and someone is going to kill you a friend told me to let them. I'm not sure why but i think is becuase if you confront by not being scared and running away, you may eventually get over it.
Thank you Unumtrium, that sounds a very good way of dealing with these dreams. I will deffo try that & see how it goes. I will try anything to stop them. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by xXxUnumtriumxXx
Considering sleepwalking, it's a possibility. But I've never seen a person dead because of lucid dreaming, since lucid and normal dreams aren't the same.
I have heard people say that they heard people say that people did studies on people dieing in a dream causes you to die in real life. Lol I don't think you have anything to wory about.
We've already established its not really possible. Unless you have anything useful to add, don't.
You don't sleepwalk in REM because you're essentially paralyzed, and you don't lucid in non-REM because it's barely vivid at all. It's very unlikely that you'll lucidly sleepwalk off of a cliff.Quote:
Originally Posted by I_C_U
Risk of death by cause (relative):
Car ride>Plane ride>A walk in the park>Falling out of bed>Choking on your pillowcase>Meteor Impact> Dream
Are you so afraid every time you get in a car? :D
peace :shadewink: ,
tech
Oh, yeah. Check out US death statistics. About 10 billion people die from lucid dreaming every year just in the US alone! Yeah, but I do it anyway, because I'm a badass.
How do you know that so sure i am open to the possibilty, this does not mean i say its possible i just asume it isQuote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
Kahiko,
The question is, what gives you the idea that one could die from lucid dreaming in the first place? What makes you more worried about lucid dreams than regular dreams?
Actually, if you are dieing in a dream and it brings about anxiety etc., you could probably die in real life. How? If you have a bad heart or poor health, it could bring on a heart attack or stroke. Realistically, it wouldn't be limited to just dieing in a dream, it could be a variety of things from a dream. Though highly unlikely, it is possible.
If you did die from a heart attack or stroke while sleeping, everyone would say how lucky you were to pass away with no pain and peacefully. People do die in their sleep. Do they die because of something intense in their dream? Who knows.
But you aren't dying from the dream, you are dying indirectly from it due to complications.
Then you died due to a stroke and a heart attack, not because you had a dream. If you apply that logic, we can die from everything. Watching TV, going to a fireworks show, playing a computer game.Quote:
If you have a bad heart or poor health, it could bring on a heart attack or stroke.
Another way to look at it is did the death in the dream bring on the anxiety or did the anxiety bring on the death in the dream? Of course the anxiety would be the cause of death in real life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
By my logic, yes you can. You can die from having sex etc..
Right, well let's say you can get a heart attack from an intense dream. Which I will concede could be possible if you have a pre-existing condition. Wouldn't lucid dreaming be much safer? I mean, at least you will know you are dreaming, which would make things less frightening and less likely to get you so riled up you would have heart failure.
Maybe. What if you are having lucid sex? Ever get a hard-on etc. in real life while having dream sex? This then begs the question if the dream sex brought on the external stimuli of the "hard-on" or if the "hard-on" brought on the internal stimuli of the dream sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perlinfalcon
Really, it doesn't matter. If it is your time to die, it is your time to die.