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      Quote Originally Posted by tropicalbreeze View Post
      Hello.

      I don't mind your input. I'm not quite sure i think in terms of higher or lower anymore. More like preferences i guess. There are things i do to give my life context, meaning or to make things fun and interesting but behind it all i know its all meaningless. Little by little there's less importance to things that were once so important. Is any of this making sense?
      I'm sad you feel that way.

      What I mean by higher than yourself is bigger than yourself; outside yourself. Sorry that wasn't clear. To live your life in an effort to make the world a better place for other people. To help reduce suffering; compassion.

      I don't mean to be a know-it-all, and I apologize if I come across that way. What I can say is that I've lived this truth. My students often come to me with really damaged self-esteem. I feel like my purpose is to try and light their candle of self-love; to help them see their own strengths. When I see a kid go from acting out, absent, depressed, etc.. to happy, self-motivated, growing.. my life has meaning.

      I hope you can find your own outlet for compassion. It's really great for bringing meaning into your life. Good luck.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      I'm sad you feel that way.
      If you feel sad over my post it just shows a lack of understanding.

      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      What I mean by higher than yourself is bigger than yourself; outside yourself. Sorry that wasn't clear. To live your life in an effort to make the world a better place for other people. To help reduce suffering; compassion.
      You really don't know what i have or haven't done.

      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      I don't mean to be a know-it-all, and I apologize if I come across that way. What I can say is that I've lived this truth. My students often come to me with really damaged self-esteem. I feel like my purpose is to try and light their candle of self-love; to help them see their own strengths. When I see a kid go from acting out, absent, depressed, etc.. to happy, self-motivated, growing.. my life has meaning.
      Ok.

      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post

      I hope you can find your own outlet for compassion. It's really great for bringing meaning into your life. Good luck.
      Compassion naturally arises when its necessary. Its not something i present to others to enhance my self image. I've done things out of empathy and compassion but don't feel the need to display that on the internet. I'm not interested in showing off how much of a great person i am. I rather display my abs knowing i will come off as an arrogant show off. :p
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      You sound like a teenager going through your first existential crisis. You'll get over it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by yuppie11975 View Post
      You sound like a teenager going through your first existential crisis. You'll get over it.
      Not sure whether that was meant to be a swipe at me or just talking to yourself.


      Though i notice more and more there is very little in the way of understanding in dialogs. It seems many are more interested in imposing their ways or point of view rather than understanding another's. You can't help another out or give a proper response if at first you don't even understand them or their situation. Its stupid.
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      Didn't sleep at all last night! Ugh!

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      Quote Originally Posted by tropicalbreeze View Post
      Not sure whether that was meant to be a swipe at me or just talking to yourself.


      Though i notice more and more there is very little in the way of understanding in dialogs. It seems many are more interested in imposing their ways or point of view rather than understanding another's. You can't help another out or give a proper response if at first you don't even understand them or their situation. Its stupid.
      Of course it was directed as you. Moonage made a very obvious attempt at helping you (while also very clearly understanding what you meant by the things that you wrote). You in turn came across as very rude and confrontational for no apparent reason. Your response to her literally reads as if it is a satire or caricature of a teenager who is having his first existential crisis. The way that you feel and the things you think aren't unique. Everyone goes through a stage where those thoughts are very prominent (and in fact most people will continue to battle with the themes until they die). I have sympathy for you because I know it's demotivating and hard. Still though, there's no need to let your existential angst allow you to act unkindly towards others. I'd even suggest that being more empathetic will allow you to feel a bit better on the matter as a whole. Moonage's suggestions were actually pretty helpful. Yes, you are correct in stating that on a technical level we cannot discern that anything has any inherent meaning. That doesn't, however, mean that we do not have subjective meaning or that you can't derive your own personal sense of comfort and satisfaction from the things that you decide matter to you on a personal level.

      It's a practical issue. You say that you'd be just as happy as being an unproductive member of society as a productive one. You're wrong. It's simply not the way that we as humans work. We're literally wired to release dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, etc when we do certain behaviours, like socialising, succeeding in our work or personal life, exercising, etc. You can equate those chemical releases directly to happiness.

      Point is, I'm sure you feel like you can sit around be miserable all day and wallow in your own pity and have it make no difference to you - but it'll catch up to you eventually. That's the only reason people really bother to work for things - so they can prevent themselves from being miserable. That's really the only secret. Finding something subjectively meaningful in order to feel happy. (Or at the very least to not feel actively discontent).

      That's the nature of reality, and the human condition.

      Yes, it sucks. No, it's not easy. I agree. Unfortunately though, you don't have much of a choice in the matter.

      Once again, I can relate to the way that you feel, and I can certainly empathise with you. Still though, I think you'd benefit from a perspective shift. Last but not last, once again, there's no need to be a dick to the people on the forum when they're only trying their best to understand and help you.

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      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post
      Didn't sleep at all last night! Ugh!
      Sorry to hear you've been having trouble with sleep. I've been having a bit the opposite issue where I'm letting myself stay in bed too long in the morning, which is probably part of why I'm a bit "out of it" with things lately. Too bad we can't trade some of it with each other to balance things out.
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      Quote Originally Posted by yuppie11975 View Post
      Of course it was directed as you. Moonage made a very obvious attempt at helping you (while also very clearly understanding what you meant by the things that you wrote). You in turn came across as very rude and confrontational for no apparent reason. Your response to her literally reads as if it is a satire or caricature of a teenager who is having his first existential crisis. The way that you feel and the things you think aren't unique. Everyone goes through a stage where those thoughts are very prominent (and in fact most people will continue to battle with the themes until they die). I have sympathy for you because I know it's demotivating and hard. Still though, there's no need to let your existential angst allow you to act unkindly towards others. I'd even suggest that being more empathetic will allow you to feel a bit better on the matter as a whole. Moonage's suggestions were actually pretty helpful. Yes, you are correct in stating that on a technical level we cannot discern that anything has any inherent meaning. That doesn't, however, mean that we do not have subjective meaning or that you can't derive your own personal sense of comfort and satisfaction from the things that you decide matter to you on a personal level.

      It's a practical issue. You say that you'd be just as happy as being an unproductive member of society as a productive one. You're wrong. It's simply not the way that we as humans work. We're literally wired to release dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, etc when we do certain behaviours, like socialising, succeeding in our work or personal life, exercising, etc. You can equate those chemical releases directly to happiness.

      Point is, I'm sure you feel like you can sit around be miserable all day and wallow in your own pity and have it make no difference to you - but it'll catch up to you eventually. That's the only reason people really bother to work for things - so they can prevent themselves from being miserable. That's really the only secret. Finding something subjectively meaningful in order to feel happy. (Or at the very least to not feel actively discontent).

      That's the nature of reality, and the human condition.

      Yes, it sucks. No, it's not easy. I agree. Unfortunately though, you don't have much of a choice in the matter.

      Once again, I can relate to the way that you feel, and I can certainly empathise with you. Still though, I think you'd benefit from a perspective shift. Last but not last, once again, there's no need to be a dick to the people on the forum when they're only trying their best to understand and help you.

      Hope you feel better soon
      I'm not asking for help. It was just a minor rant. But this is what i'm talking about, replying with no understanding. Blindly lashing out. I'm neither in a miserable or happy state. My state is constantly changing as needed. I even mentioned doing thing that gives meaning to my life and makes things interesting. Why did you both overlook that??? I'm a very active person. Been that way for many years. Reread my post again. Without resentment or being biased. Slowly. How did you even get rude and confrontational? I can say that more of your reaction to me.

      But this is why i often refrain from expressing myself. And i actually kept everything light. Something that i find to be an interesting and fascinating part of my life journey gets turned into something so sad and depressing. Gets blown out of proportion.

      Both you misunderstood. I'd rather people show me respect than try to help me without showing respect. Embrace who i am not try to change who i am because you don't respect who i am. Its quite degrading to feel sad or pity for someone who is functioning just fine. Its says, "you as you naturally are isn't enough, you need to be different."

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      I get the impression that i'm pissing people off on here without even trying. This forum is not the same as it once was. Perhaps i'm the slap in the ass this forum needs. A wake up call.

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      Your previous posts were somewhat vague and so it can't really be said that someone could understand you simply from those and fair enough people shouldn't just assume things, but we do, and I think MoonageDaydream honestly just meant well and from the short statements you made I think it's only natural that people had the reactions they had; people are bound to make their own interpretations if there's room for it.

      Maybe they misunderstood but it's not like we can control how other people interpret what we say. Well, I know I can't, anyway.
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      I'm on a few different forums. I appreciate it when someone is open to an actual discussion. When someone is open to the possibilities that they misunderstood or ask for clarification. I like when people question me or challenges me in a respectful way. It shows they are at least making an honest effort. That way we can have a mature discussion in which we can embrace and respect each others point of view. Respect each others way of seeing things even if there is disagreement.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DeletePlease View Post
      Another forum I frequent has a thread set aside for people who need to vent or go on long-winded rants about whatever it is that's on their mind; it's fairly interesting to read so I thought I may as well start a similar thread here.

      Post whatever it is that you need to get off your chest, be it a non-nonsensical rant about your jackass of a coworker or an essay on how amazing your boyfriend/girlfriend is. It can be as simple as "I hate owls" or a wall-of-text devoted to that funky smelling kid in your class. It doesn't have to be negative either, just post whatever it is that's on your mind.
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      People should leave you the fuck alone when you've (politely) made it abundantly clear you'd rather be by yourself for a bit.
      I'm glad you are trying to help each other out.
      The way I see this is the kind of thread where members can post rants and shit without getting solicited advice from a stranger. However, at the same time, when someone tries to give people advice, in my opinion, just keep an open mind and take whatever helps and leave what doesn't. That is solely up to you.
      Isn't it considered rude in some cultures to give out solicited advice?
      Even I'm guilty of this. I know that I have found myself doing exactly that.
      But, I'm sure the members here only mean well and didn't mean to push anything on to members here.

      Quote Originally Posted by tropicalbreeze View Post
      I'm on a few different forums. I appreciate it when someone is open to an actual discussion. When someone is open to the possibilities that they misunderstood or ask for clarification. I like when people question me or challenges me in a respectful way. It shows they are at least making an honest effort. That way we can have a mature discussion in which we can embrace and respect each others point of view. Respect each others way of seeing things even if there is disagreement.
      I seen worst forums.
      I hope we all can work out this in a civil manner as possible.
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      Hey, On another note, I nearly got sprayed by a skunk, yesterday. I almost stepped on it! So glad I didn't because I didn't feel like taking a bath in tomato sauce again... Ough!
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      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post
      The way I see this is the kind of thread where members can post rants and shit without getting solicited advice from a stranger.
      Isn't it considered rude in some cultures to give out solicited advice?
      Ouch. Gosh, this makes me feel so bad. I'm certainly not trying to have bad manners. I'm sorry if I come across that way. I figured, rather take the chance I help someone (who seemed to me like they really needed some help right now), than keep it to myself out of fear I would offend them.



      Anyways.. thank you Yuppie, I appreciate you standing up for me.

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      Tropical breeze: I used to be on Dreammood. This place is nothing like that place. Next time you probably just make a little note that you want to be alone with your rant and hopefully people will respect that.

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      Ouch. Gosh, this makes me feel so bad. I'm certainly not trying to have bad manners. I'm sorry if I come across that way. I figured, rather take the chance I help someone (who seemed to me like they really needed some help right now), than keep it to myself out of fear I would offend them.
      Don't feel bad. I understand that you were trying to help people and that is great to see here. I know you mean well. As DarkestDarkness said, you can't control how people are going to react. Some people would see what you did like a blessing and other people would think of it as being rude. Honestly, we can never win.

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      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post

      I seen worst forums.
      So have i. This is a nice cozy forum where many are of like mindedness. There isn't the quality of unconventional thinking there once was. But i guess its just part of change. Its not just here but rather everywhere.

      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post

      I hope we all can work out this in a civil manner as possible.
      It seems unlikely. I'm open to working things out with people who are open to understanding. With people who are open to different points of views. There is no working things out with people who think i need help just because i function differently then they. They aren't receptive to my uniqueness, to my different ways of seeing things. Its likely there will be a bottle up of resentment taking the form of subtle passive aggression. It is what i honestly felt in one of the above post.

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      Hey, On another note, I nearly got sprayed by a skunk, yesterday. I almost stepped on it! So glad I didn't because I didn't feel like taking a bath in tomato sauce again... Ough!
      Again??? Yikes!

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      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post
      Don't feel bad. I understand that you were trying to help people and that is great to see here. I know you mean well. As DarkestDarkness said, you can't control how people are going to react. Some people would see what you did like a blessing and other people would think of it as being rude. Honestly, we can never win.
      Maybe so. Still, I think that people should not be being attacked for a misunderstanding. I don't deserve that.

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      The misunderstanding lies in the assumption that they were attacks made and one is a "victim" of such attacks rather than a simple misunderstanding.

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      I'm sorry you feel that way.

      Moonagedaydream: May I suggest that if you do feel that someone attacked you, maybe it would be a good time to ask for PM help from a staff member?
      Attack on your ideas is not necessarily an attack on you, guys.
      Keep in mind how difficult it is to convey emotion over the Internet; unless it's glaringly evident that a poster means you harm. If it was just a misunderstanding then it was just that.

      Tropical: yes! I was sprayed by a skunk when I was in first grade on a school night. I snuck out to give milk to the neighbor's cat and well, I picked it up.
      It wasn't funny at the time, we empty the bin of tomato sauce just to get rid of the smell. I took a bath tomato sauce. I remember that I was really late for school and the whole day I was worried that I smelt like a skunk and tomato sauce. I felt so embarrassed.
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      HumbleDreamer, Tropicalbreeze, MoonAgeDay Dream,
      I am not sure I see attacking going on. More just some gruffness or moodiness. I hope you are all enjoying your interactions to some degree. I could suggest, but not demand, that if anyone does not want advice or comment, maybe write something along those lines in the future to avoid confusion. Have fun guys, try not to take things personally. It is nice you can all exchange thoughts and enjoy interacting.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Bright side: It has been 4 months and I am very healthy now.
      Oh my gosh! I'm sorry to hear that! I'm glad to see that you are healthier now!
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      I am a cancer sign. Moodiness is a common trait of ours. Us crabs can't help being crabby at times. :p Sounds like a very rough time. Hope you passed through it and can remain healthy, sivason.

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      Tropical: yes! I was sprayed by a skunk when I was in first grade on a school night. I snuck out to give milk to the neighbor's cat and well, I picked it up.
      It wasn't funny at the time, we empty the bin of tomato sauce just to get rid of the smell. I took a bath tomato sauce. I remember that I was really late for school and the whole day I was worried that I smelt like a skunk and tomato sauce. I felt so embarrassed.
      You thought the skunk was a cat? :p How long did it take the smell to go away? Just a few weeks ago a skunk got hit by a car on my block and it must of sprayed. It smelled horrible on my side of the block for nearly a week. I sometimes encounter skunks while running or walking at night. Luckily never been sprayed.

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      Quote Originally Posted by HumbleDreamer View Post
      I'm sorry you feel that way.

      Moonagedaydream: May I suggest that if you do feel that someone attacked you, maybe it would be a good time to ask for PM help from a staff member?
      Attack on your ideas is not necessarily an attack on you, guys.
      Keep in mind how difficult it is to convey emotion over the Internet; unless it's glaringly evident that a poster means you harm. If it was just a misunderstanding then it was just that.
      Oh, I already did. Doesn't really matter, sivason looked at it. It isn't glaringly evident. It was veiled. I'm sad you don't see it. I don't mean to drag this through the mud. Although I want to point out:

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      Its not something i present to others to enhance my self image. I've done things out of empathy and compassion but don't feel the need to display that on the internet. I'm not interested in showing off how much of a great person i am. I rather display my abs knowing i will come off as an arrogant show off. :p
      That was an attack on my personality. It was veiled, yes, but it is what it is. You know, it's not the attack that bothers me. I mean, I work in a middle school after all. It's not about that, really. I'm used to that. It's just that I wish my friends saw that and supported me. You know what I mean?

      I'll let this drop now. It doesn't matter, it's in the past. tropicalbreeze, you're forgiven. Feeling pretty damn crappy today.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Rant: I found out last November that I was going to die! My dad died suddenly 7 years ago. It was a deadly aneurysm where the aorta meets the heart. I had to fly across the country because only a few specialty places could do the repair. My wife was not allowed to come with me because of COVID. I faced it alone and they cut open my chest and placed an artificial ascending aorta in there. It was so tramatic, I cried every day for the 5 months between find out I could die any minute till the surgery. My bank account was depleted by about $15,000 and I could not work for 2 months.
      Bright side: It has been 4 months and I am very healthy now.
      Bloody hell, Sivason! That is one heck of a rough patch you've been through. I'm happy to hear the operation was successful. The flip side of the anguish is that the experience will have strengthened you (maybe in more ways than immediately meets the eye). As they say, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. And this didn't, so you are.
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      So ... is this the real universe, or is it just a preliminary study?

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      Quote Originally Posted by DarkestDarkness View Post
      Sorry to hear you've been having trouble with sleep. I've been having a bit the opposite issue where I'm letting myself stay in bed too long in the morning, which is probably part of why I'm a bit "out of it" with things lately. Too bad we can't trade some of it with each other to balance things out.
      Yeah! LOL! I know right! And last night I slept all night but, I woke up very groggy.
      Quote Originally Posted by tropicalbreeze View Post
      You thought the skunk was a cat? :p How long did it take the smell to go away? Just a few weeks ago a skunk got hit by a car on my block and it must have sprayed. It smelled horrible on my side of the block for nearly a week. I sometimes encounter skunks while running or walking at night. Luckily never been sprayed.
      It took a few days to go away!

      Quote Originally Posted by MoonageDaydream View Post
      That was an attack on my personality. It was veiled, yes, but it is what it is. You know, it's not the attack that bothers me. I mean, I work in a middle school after all. It's not about that, really. I'm used to that. It's just that I wish my friends saw that and supported me. Do you know what I mean?

      I'll let this drop now. It doesn't matter, it's in the past. tropicalbreeze, you're forgiven. Feeling pretty damn crappy today.
      I didn't mean take things so seriously, by the way, sorry it is coming off that way.
      I see. Thank you for pointing that out to me! I feel bad that you may have thought that I didn't support you. I'm not mad at either of you. I just try to see things from both sides of the issue. Life is too short! I am just glad that this is all sort out, now. Hope you feel better for you, soon Moonagedaydream.
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