Thread: Uploaded Brain by 2050.

Though I did hear the new PS3 will have 1% of human Brainpower.

In 1950 they said that fusion reactor will be ready after 50 years. In 2000 they said that fusion reactor will be ready after 50 years. In 1950 they said that people are going to have flying cars and that people will have space holidays in 2000.

Bullshit, I say.

PS. Shouldn't this be in the lounge or extended discussion?

Originally posted by Hate
In 1950 they said that people are going to have flying cars and that people will have space holidays in 2000.

But did they say we would have Pocket Computers, Cell Phones (that can also be video cameras), Graphics Calculators, CG Films, DreamViews or Vanilla Coke?

The best shit is what they DONT tell you you will get. Flying cars would be cool though.

The best shit is what they DONT tell you you will get. Flying cars would be cool though.[/b]

Where have you guys been...Flying cars have been around since the mid 80s!

Originally posted by Hate
In 1950 they said that fusion reactor will be ready after 50 years. In 2000 they said that fusion reactor will be ready after 50 years. In 1950 they said that people are going to have flying cars and that people will have space holidays in 2000.

Bullshit, I say.

PS. Shouldn't this be in the lounge or extended discussion?

Nobody in 1950 supposed that the two Major Superpowers would concentrate entirely upon weapon's development. Also, the optimists did not factor in to what extent existing industries and interests fight against innovations to protect their own prolonged survival. For instance, everything necessary for the automobile was in place a full hundred years before automobiles began to be recognized as viable. It turns out that the railroads did everything their wealth and power could accomplish in order to obstruct road building and to obstruct the automobile industry.

Then we can look at Nuclear Power. it is virtually Free Energy. It has been shut down in America over numerous law suits. One only needs to look at who was paying the lawyers. it would look like neighborhoods were bringing legal suit against the Nuclear Power Plants, but the funding came from Gas, Coal, and Patroleum based Energy Companies.

Then there is Government's concern about free energy. Look at the American Dollar. The only thing securing value to the American Dollar is that OPEC has specified the Dollar as the ONLY currency acceptable if you would like to buy oil in this World. If Nuclear Energy became prevalent, the price of oil would drop, and so would the value of the Dollar.

Other factors holding back progress is that if Technology were really allowed to expand, then it would inevitably replace Human Labor in all aspects of the Production of Added Value. But all of the World's Economies have decided that people will be given food and shelter only in exchange for their Labor. They say we live in Capitalism, but more correctly all of our World Societies are Laborisms. Only 1% of the population live on Capital, while the vast majority live by Labor. So Technology is deliberately slowed down. In Japan, 15 years ago, both Infiniti and Lexus built laborless factories -- sand and ore were poured in at one end, and new luxury cars were pumped out of the other, with no more human involvement than a few engineers walking around with clipboards who were there to make sure rats did not snag any of the computerized bus cables. But then the Japanese Recession kicked in and Japan fell from its 100% employment, and these laborless factories were closed. You know, why not just send a few thousand people paychecks and let them stay home. We are making Slaves out of people simply because we can't bring ourselves to give them something for nothing. Technology could free us all of labor, or at least 50 years of labor -- but Master and Slave Capitalism is jealous of its Capital and will sooner watch the world collapse than to contemplate capital entitlements for entire populations. The World's Economic Mentality is based on a model of "Winners Losers" Competitive Conflict. It aims at Concentration of Wealth.

Really, maybe our Politicians and Economic Leaders should glance at the works of Arnold Toynbee. There have been 21 Civilizations and all but one have collapsed, and all of these collapses involved issues regarding Concentration of Wealth away from the Society in general and into the hands of a very few who ceased to care about public education, transportation and irrigation infrastructures, and security. Private wealth rises to the top and the higher the top goes, the less it cares about the great bottom of the pyramid upon which it ascends. As the Top steals from the strength of the Base, eventually we have a Collapse.

Civilization would end tomorrow if just 60% of the Traders decided to say "Sell" instead of "Buy".

Originally posted by Hate
In 1950 they said that fusion reactor will be ready after 50 years. In 2000 they said that fusion reactor will be ready after 50 years. In 1950 they said that people are going to have flying cars and that people will have space holidays in 2000.

Bullshit, I say.

PS. Shouldn't this be in the lounge or extended discussion?

Space holidays? You must not of heard the News. 7up is offering holding a contest where one could win a space vacation.... check er out MSNBC

You should read Popular Science more. This hotel owner in Las Vegas is making a Space Hotel that costs 2 million per night. Its supposed to open next year or the next.

Indeed they're starting to offer space holidays - for multi-millionaires, but what I meant was that space holidays were meant to be everyday life nowadays. 2 million-per-night-hotel isn't everyday life, is it?

Leo, that's a nice lecture about marcet economy and capitalism, but what is your point and what does it have to do with the topic? Please, enlight the dumbhead who doesn't understand your great wisdom.

Moved this to The Lounge. It's not really about lucid dreaming.

Leo, that's a nice lecture about marcet economy and capitalism, but what is your point and what does it have to do with the topic? Please, enlight the dumbhead who doesn't understand your great wisdom. [/b]

He wrote so much, I doubt he even remembers what he originally set out to do.

If they figured out what to do with all the nuclear waste we would be using all nuclear power. You can't have the waste just sitting around though. Which is what it is doing now and its costing a ton to deal with.

That reminds me though. About 10 years ago or something I heard that they knew of a way to recycle the waste and use it to actually power the reactor, making it both clean and a lot cheaper. They said they had the plans for it for like 20 years or something. The problem was everyone is so scared of nuclear stuff that they couldn't get the funding to build it.

I read the article about being able to upload your conscienceness to a computer last week....
Although I think it will be possible sometime in the future, I do not think the technology will be there by 2050

Well, in all honesty, I wouldn't want my brain to be uploaded to a computer. When I die, I die and I don't want to be stuck in some electronic piece of crap when I should be six feet under. I'd probably just commit electronic suicide. Hey, I've already died so I'd have every right to.

It wouldn't be the same at all. Science still doesn't know the details of precisely how the brain stores memory.

Well, I'd suppose that's what science would figure out in the 45 years they've supposedly got?

What your all forgetting though, is it wouldn't be you, it would be a copy of you, so a cyber clone would live forever, not you. So it would be pointless, unless you want someone to listen to your pointless thoughts for all eternity.

Because it's a copy of you, it's not you? That kind of confuses me. I've thought about it before. If you copied your brain into a complete copy of your body, is it still you? I mean, it's exactly teh same as you, so why wouldn't it be "you". If your "original" died, you wouldn't actually know the difference between the two anyway...blah.

Alex, Kaniaz. That's where the philosophy steps in. Maybe it will make a new "you", maybe just a copy. Who knows.

Well, if my brain/conscienseness were uploded to a computer, it would be like having your thoughts/emotions discorperate from your body, trapped without having any motivation for "being". I think that when I die, I'll have been ready to die because my whole point in life has been to live. What's the point if you are not really 'alive'? I do think the technology is interesting though...

I say go for it. If your going to die anyway might as well try. Nothing bad can come from it.

My greatest fear besides drowning is having my consciousness trapped in a robot body.

Well I guess by the time they have the technology figured out. Machines will be far more intelligent anyway.

The technological singularity will happen before 2050, maybe in the next ten years, when that happens brain uploading is only going to be one minor thing that will be possible.

http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/articles...tyactivists.htm

http://www.extropy.org/index.htm

http://www.nickbostrom.com/ethics/ai.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/smallworlds.shtml 3 programes to listen to about nano technology.

http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Global/Omega/tiplerian.html

Originally posted by Hate
In 1950 they said that fusion reactor will be ready after 50 years. In 2000 they said that fusion reactor will be ready after 50 years. In 1950 they said that people are going to have flying cars and that people will have space holidays in 2000.

Bullshit, I say.

PS. Shouldn't this be in the lounge or extended discussion?

You have to bring into account exponential development. Meaning, the rate at which we discover and improve things only leads to more discoveries and improvements, and thus different fields overlap and give way to the creation of revolutionary ideas. This, in turn, creates a shorter time-gap between successful technologies.

For example, think of how computers and computer sciences have 'evolved'. Early computers were very large and advances were slower than we see today, but within 50 years we are seeing incredible rates of advancement and succession. So much so that processors will only be able to reach a certain size before reaching the hardware limit, that is, what silicon is physically capable of.

I also find that Leo's argument was excellent, bringing forth the political side of things. It's a shame that society and economy are trapped the way they are now.

I feel that uploading myself into a robot would be like being in a vegetative state. Letting myself continue on in a machine whether mobile or not would be like being trapped on the earth. Even if it does happen I wouldn't do it. It would be a stupid idea for me. I don't want to be held by physical bounds.