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      Exclamation People and Youth are too Unaware thanks to Gadgets and Phones and Texting. Unbelievable!

      I haven't been riding the bus for a long time but recenty do to medical problems and inability to drive now i ride the bus and Ohhhhhhh man was i shocked. Tons of people on the cellphone calling, some texting, some looking at their cellphone constantly,, some looking at movies in their portable movie thing , some playing games in their Game thing(DS or whatever it is...i dont' know what exists now cause i haven't been a gamer years),and
      of course tons of people with the IPOD things (or non apple mp3 player) on their ears.

      It's unbelievable. Nobody is present. Everybody is like unaware of the world just locked in to their gadgets.

      Why is this? Why is it that most people and many young people get fooled into these kind of gadget filled society and cellphone society and don't realize it that it's sucking the life out of them. I'm like the only one without ipods and cellphones and textings wherever i go anywhere . Whenever i go anywhere , someone can't just be by themselves. they need to call someone on the cellphone or text or whateever.

      In most times, i'm the only one just breathing the air and looking at the real world.
      Why has it come to this?


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      Yes it has gotten quite bad, honestly when I'm at home I would constantly be on my PC Skypeing, texting, watchin videos, listening to music, playing games and browsing reddit or dreamviews. BUT...when I go out I leave my electronics behind. We have advanced so much with technology that this is now the norm, and tbh its turning alot of people into f**king delirious morons.
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      I think that people in general are seeking pleasure all the time because it's possible. You never have to be bored if you dont want to. But I belive that a deeper meaning of this has it's roots in that people are afraid of the silence, because then they cant flee their own minds, their thoughts about life nagging back in the head. That is torture for a lot of people today, unfortunatly..
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      I'd have to agree - people have become enwrapped in technology.

      I freely admit to listening to music on the bus rides to and from school though i have nobody to talk to ahahaha excuses excuses - I also admit to having an addiction to music as well. I listen to it at nearly every given chance.

      I still go out and do things (Electronic free, save for a camera). I experience nature's true beauty, which, it seems, not enough people really do.

      I agree with DreamyBear - people are just looking for a constant state of ecstacy, and with technology, we can do that for endless hours. I also agree with the idea that people are looking for an escape route to life - just an empty space where no thought is required. I have daunting thoughts on life, and I am guilty of using media to drown it out. I worry a lot about my future, and tend to drown it out with music and other practices. However, this will never solve the problem - we all have to face up to the issues, and take them one at a time. Such thinking has helped me out with my life.

      People are becoming numb to the outside world - we need to do something about it.
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      I'm surprised you haven't been vilified yet for bringing this up.

      No, you are not the only one. I have no cell phone and no social media accounts; I don't watch TV or movies; I even write handwritten letters. The internet is great for research, as is this forum; other than that I would rather be out in the woods or elsewhere learning a new skill or using my imagination. Of course, I am somewhat of a misanthrope, so going to this extreme is probably not for anyone who holds any hope of having friends.
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      Technology is a double edged sword... like a sword. The more powerful something is, the more evil/good it can add to the world. If you have a sword. you can do good things. you can protect yourself and those you care about from criminals, and beasts. You can also do evil things. You could use the weapon to steal or kill the innocent. Technology is no different. We live in a world where we can contact anyone (Phones) have fantastic entertainment (TV, Video Games) access any information we want (Internet) and travel wherever we desire. (Planes, Trains, Automobiles) We can cure diseases (Antibiotics, Chemotherapy, Life Support) and live long happy lives without hunger and thirst. (Save for some unfortunate parts of the world ) Even the most basic of technology can be so useful, like a light-bulb so you can read at night or a hot shower in the morning. 300 years ago none of that stuff existed. Now our world is great. But there are trade-offs. To name a few: (Nuclear bombs, Pollution, Information Overload, Cyber-security Issues, Overpopulation, and what you mentioned, people not being in the moment because they are distracted by technology.)
      The trick is to not blow the negatives out of proportion. You can definitely acknowledge the downsides to technology, as not doing so would be considered naive. But try to appreciate that our modern world is both spectacular and horrifying. It is my belief that technology has made us no better and no worse. It has solved many of our problems, but also created a host of new ones. So if you take one thing away from this be it, try to see the glass half full.

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      I am on the opposite side of this thread.

      I see technology as the most amazing thing we have going for us. Right now, I am writing a message to potentially millions of people across the world for as long as version of this site exist. Considering that correspondence written 50 years ago can be lost so easily, that's amazing to me. Addiction and reliance on anything is bad, but I think we are in this transitional period where what is and isn't useful is still be sifted out. In time, we will figure things out but I think we are in a great and glorious time.
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      There really isn't much to be aware of when you're on a bus.
      On buses, I often look around, at people or out the window mostly, while getting lost in my own fantasylands. Sometimes I listen to music, but I very often don't. However, I don't think I can use this to say that I'm more aware and present than they are. What, exactly, are we all supposed to be doing on a bus? You just kill time the way you feel the most comfortable with. I'm pretty sure you'll find all those people you see on the bus a little bit more aware once they're in a situation that isn't just sitting in a chair, on a bus, waiting for their stop.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Maeni View Post
      I'm pretty sure you'll find all those people you see on the bus a little bit more aware once they're in a situation that isn't just sitting in a chair, on a bus, waiting for their stop.
      Well, I think that's sort of his point: whenever people aren't "doing" something, they turn to the gadgets. It takes us out of the moment. Even when something exciting happens, many people reach into their pockets for their phone to take a picture or capture a video of the event. To me, you're no longer living in the moment then. I purposely go rid of my smart phone because I didn't like that I myself did those things. Every second I spent not "doing" something, I pulled out the phone. I think you can loose an appreciation for life when you're constantly distracting yourself with various entertainment.

      Granted, I'm guilty--I carry my kindle every day to work. And if you're on a long bus commute every single day, I don't see it as a real negative that you might read, play games, text, and so on during that time. But my drive to work takes about an hour, and although I like listening to music or audiobooks, I also spent a lot of drives listening to nothing. Sometimes I'll use the time to think, other times I really don't think about anything. I'm just driving in silence, and it's a meditative sort of experience for me. In the moment. It relaxes me. One thing I've noticed since I've dropped my phone is that I don't get stressed as easily, nor am I as tired throughout the day. I imagine it's because I used to never give myself a break. If I was physically and/or mentally able to hold a phone and play around on it (as in, I had nothing else to "do"), I would.


      Anyway, just my thoughts. I'm certainly a bit hypocritical, seeing as I play a lot of games on my PC and do use technology a lot in general. I guess I just like to balance things, and by keeping that much tech on me at all times (the phone; essentially a small computer), I wasn't in balance. I'll nerd out when I'm home, but once I leave, I've got nothing (well, except the kindle, but I don't even get internet access with that outside my apartment, and all that's on it are books).
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      The important thing, sefalik, is that you are aware of your own behavior and make real choices. I wouldn't worry about a person like yourself. The choices are much more dangerous if you never really think about them. This, after all, is the problem with easy distractions, and the problem with the average person. They may see a problem in the long term, but usually lack the strength of character to make even small changes because it lies beyond their experience, and beyond the group.

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      Yeah, I don't really know why that is so. I'm not one of those people so I can't say much on the matter.
      I bought a new phone last year, but even then I bought a button-based phone.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Maeni View Post
      There really isn't much to be aware of when you're on a bus.
      On buses, I often look around, at people or out the window mostly, while getting lost in my own fantasylands. Sometimes I listen to music, but I very often don't. However, I don't think I can use this to say that I'm more aware and present than they are. What, exactly, are we all supposed to be doing on a bus? You just kill time the way you feel the most comfortable with. I'm pretty sure you'll find all those people you see on the bus a little bit more aware once they're in a situation that isn't just sitting in a chair, on a bus, waiting for their stop.
      Actually you have'nt seen the people ON bikes while ipods, on bilkes while texing... People walking with iphones not even aware i'm behind them. People texting while walking. People texting while driving. There's alot you can see and look out even if you're sitting. including being aware of your own skin(hands)...
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      Quote Originally Posted by sefalik View Post
      Well, I think that's sort of his point: whenever people aren't "doing" something, they turn to the gadgets. It takes us out of the moment. Even when something exciting happens, many people reach into their pockets for their phone to take a picture or capture a video of the event. To me, you're no longer living in the moment then. I purposely go rid of my smart phone because I didn't like that I myself did those things. Every second I spent not "doing" something, I pulled out the phone. I think you can loose an appreciation for life when you're constantly distracting yourself with various entertainment.

      Granted, I'm guilty--I carry my kindle every day to work. And if you're on a long bus commute every single day, I don't see it as a real negative that you might read, play games, text, and so on during that time. But my drive to work takes about an hour, and although I like listening to music or audiobooks, I also spent a lot of drives listening to nothing. Sometimes I'll use the time to think, other times I really don't think about anything. I'm just driving in silence, and it's a meditative sort of experience for me. In the moment. It relaxes me. One thing I've noticed since I've dropped my phone is that I don't get stressed as easily, nor am I as tired throughout the day. I imagine it's because I used to never give myself a break. If I was physically and/or mentally able to hold a phone and play around on it (as in, I had nothing else to "do"), I would.


      Anyway, just my thoughts. I'm certainly a bit hypocritical, seeing as I play a lot of games on my PC and do use technology a lot in general. I guess I just like to balance things, and by keeping that much tech on me at all times (the phone; essentially a small computer), I wasn't in balance. I'll nerd out when I'm home, but once I leave, I've got nothing (well, except the kindle, but I don't even get internet access with that outside my apartment, and all that's on it are books).
      yeah, it's like the current youth going to concerts. I don't understand why they all take their iphones or smartphones and are all raised hands trying to video record it. That's stupid. really. They're not actually enjoying the concert freely. They are busy with the gadgets recording it. I always find that stupid.
      The concert is supposed to be an experience you enjoy LIVE. that's what they're called live. But in stead these people focus their energy on the video recording.

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      Quote Originally Posted by voByJunior2013 View Post
      Actually you have'nt seen the people ON bikes while ipods, on bilkes while texing... People walking with iphones not even aware i'm behind them. People texting while walking. People texting while driving.
      Some of those are definitely bad but that's simply a problem with security. Of course those are bad. It's literally dangerous. But on a bus? While walking? I'm not sure I see the problem.

      There's alot you can see and look out even if you're sitting. including being aware of your own skin(hands)...
      rocks, textures on objects, sky, walls...sounds, traffic.
      I know, I do that. But I'm reluctant about criticizing the alternative, and I think you should be, too. Who am I to say that my choice to be quiet and enjoy the relaxation, the peace of mind, the moment-to-moment scenes, is the more 'real' (implied better / healthier?) thing to do? Someone who chooses to look at their smartphone is connected to their friends, they're having conversations, making plans, gathering information, experiencing other people's content - they're connected. Meanwhile there we are, meticulously studying some rust on a pole or watching two raindrops on the other side of the window slowly creep towards each other and merge. Wow.

      I don't know. I agree with you that people spend far too much time with their gadgets. But I'm not sure about it, so I don't make the claim. I'm sure I've seen a Ted talk about this before, and I tried to find it earlier but never found it. I'll keep looking. I'm just saying that, either you're right, or this sentiment is a technophobic reaction to a quick evolution of technology. Perhaps people who get very engaged in the network at all possible times are living in a much more real and engaged way. Of course, mindless habits are problematic, but I don't think that's something that came with the iPod. It's a bit like that "the youth is unruly and has no respect nowadays" thing. Socrates said that. It's always been this way, it ain't new.

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      Most people on the bus would rather avoid interacting with the other members of the bus; so they text and keep themselves occupied with, you know, familiars. People on the internet are very much engaged in the world and I think that the aspect that it "sucks the life out of you" is just the result of people being weary of change and new ways.
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      I take the train to school every morning and I'm amazed at how about 8/10 of the people stare at a screen the entire ride from 7-8 in the morning. Don't their eyes hurt? Gee, I'm thinking about dumping my smartphone as well and get a regular mobile phone.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Athylus View Post
      I take the train to school every morning and I'm amazed at how about 8/10 of the people stare at a screen the entire ride from 7-8 in the morning. Don't their eyes hurt? Gee, I'm thinking about dumping my smartphone as well and get a regular mobile phone.
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      I had a pay-as-you go phone that I loved. Basic as can be (call/text, that's pretty much it) but it was indestructible. Actually, I still have it; it's jut not activated. I went without a phone for a long while and my parents hated that... I can see their point. They didn't like me going mountain biking without a phone. So they got me a really cheap "touch screen" phone, but it's garbage. I don't mean to complain--it does what it needs to do, but after 3 years the screen has gotten worse and worse and it's pretty hard to even dial numbers. For something of that price range, a touch screen is just gimmicky.

      My old flip phone is probably 10-years-old at this point, so I wonder if I could still use it. I need to look in to this.
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      Quote Originally Posted by voByJunior2013 View Post
      yeah, it's like the current youth going to concerts. I don't understand why they all take their iphones or smartphones and are all raised hands trying to video record it. That's stupid. really. They're not actually enjoying the concert freely. They are busy with the gadgets recording it. I always find that stupid.
      The concert is supposed to be an experience you enjoy LIVE. that's what they're called live. But in stead these people focus their energy on the video recording.
      what's the point in going to a concert if only a few people know about it. if i'm going to a concert i'm going to make sure the whole world knows about it. so that way i can show off and be popular and also become a youtube celebrity. that's why video recording is a must if your going to a concert. especially if you have a woman who looks like a supermodel and a fancy car. remember: life is pointless if your not popular and worshiped amongst your peers. (sarcasm )

      Why has it come to this?
      its been like this for a while, except people would read newspapers instead. i remember taking the nyc subways in the 80's and seeings newspapers all over the floor. at least with all the gadgets there is less pollution. and just because someone is listening to music on the train doesn't mean they are not aware of whats going on around them. i don't see much of a difference between someone who is distracted by their own thoughts and someone who is distracted with technology.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tropicalbreeze View Post
      what's the point in going to a concert if only a few people know about it. if i'm going to a concert i'm going to make sure the whole world knows about it. so that way i can show off and be popular and also become a youtube celebrity. that's why video recording is a must if your going to a concert. especially if you have a woman who looks like a supermodel and a fancy car. remember: life is pointless if your not popular and worshiped amongst your peers. (sarcasm )



      its been like this for a while, except people would read newspapers instead. i remember taking the nyc subways in the 80's and seeings newspapers all over the floor. at least with all the gadgets there is less pollution. and just because someone is listening to music on the train doesn't mean they are not aware of whats going on around them. i don't see much of a difference between someone who is distracted by their own thoughts and someone who is distracted with technology.

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      Good point. Buuuuut, what if they do nothing but internet in their spare time?
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      is there anything wrong with that?
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      I guess, well, when I think of it, not so much.
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      I do think caution is needed. Our biological make-up means that social networks and the internet can be very alluring, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're good. We also evolved to enjoy fatty foods: in modern times our instincts can work against us.

      I don't think a life defined solely by social relations is a good one. The individual is also important: spending time on self-improvement, on learning and skills and pursuing unique interests is just as important. If the individuals of a society are all as empty as one another, what's gained by socialising? On the flip side, if you don't socialise, what's the point in being unique? I think a healthy life consists of a balance of the two.

      It's alarmingly easy to spend a whole day distracted by technology and social sites, and discover at the end that you've done nothing useful all day. Personally I find myself being driven towards more ascetic tendencies of late, consciously limiting my use of technology, and trying my hardest to limit the usage of that technology to productive goals. I was starting to feel like useless information was crowding up my brain.

      In a nutshell, just make sure you're being intelligent and conscious of your actions, rather than instinctive.
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      This happens in my zone also. Too many people glued to their gadgets.
      I think that tecnology is useful but people should use it if they really need to and not get addicted to it. I mean, why do people that already have the last iPhone, they have to desperately buy the new one when it comes out? Do they really need it?
      I have a cellphone bought like 7 years ago that makes calls and sends text messages. That's it. It was what this was made for. I don't want a smartphone or an iPad. I will not say that i will never have one. I just don't need it.
      When i go to work on the train, i use my old mp3 player. Because i go alone and listening to music relaxes me. It's better than listening to people complaining or the smartphone keyboards clicking.
      I like some technology but i like to be outside that "new technology" mania. It saves me a lot of money and stress. And as time passes by, i'm becoming more of non-material person. One day i'll be a monk in Tibet, who knows...?
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      Last Post: 07-02-2004, 05:50 PM

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