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    View Poll Results: What do you see behind your eyes AFTER 5 minutes?

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    • Dull patterns then green/purple phosphenes

      4 22.22%
    • just dull patterns

      2 11.11%
    • green/purple phosphenes immediately

      3 16.67%
    • other coloured blobs of moving colour

      3 16.67%
    • zig-zags or lines

      2 11.11%
    • other

      4 22.22%
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    Thread: What do you see when your eyes are closed?

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      What do you see when your eyes are closed?

      What do you see behind those opaque eyelids? I am NOT going to accept... uh... black? Allow one minute for retinal imprints to die away. Wait longer if you wish. I see dull patterns, if I meditate, then I get green and purple phosphenes that move around.

      Test yourself by setting a timer for 5 minutes. Describe what you saw.
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      I closed my eyes in front of the computer and counted 100 breaths, which takes me about 20 minutes. At first I saw a dark red color which turned into various reddish blobs of moving color. At around breath #37, the colors very abruptly became darker and bluish which made me jump. After that, I just saw bluish blobs of moving color.

      Turn off the computer monitor before doing this

      Manipulating closed eye visualizations can be a fun mind game.
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      True, make sure you turn OFF your computer screen, otherwise you will see an imprint of the screen on your retina.
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      After all the real visual input is gone, I SEE darkness. Unless I lightly press my fingers against my closed eyes, which would cause pressure and create more real visuals as the retina reacts to the pressure change. But my mind starts creating false sensory input pretty fast. That doesn't actually count as SEEING, it's thoughts manifesting as something visual, like dreams. People call these dreamlets I think. After a while I can see flashes, images of people real and fictional. I can see colorless outlines of a dark room, outlines of a tattooed arm moving etc. Since these are my thoughts, I can influence them and actively create what I want to see from the false images my mind provides.

      But yeah. I don't think I'm actually SEEING anything but darkness.

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      I get the dreamlets as well, they are often startling surreal, aren't they! It may take a deeper state of relaxation to see 'true' visuals.
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      I feel the poll options are a little specific about some details, namely the color of the phosphenes. I think I've read before where people say their phosphenes are blue or even more of a red. I even think I've heard someone say on a video that they saw colorless glowing spots, where the phosphenes had no color information. I've actually experienced red and purple, but a good 95% of the time it's one of two major variations of green. As far as options go, it's a toss up between the "dull patterns, then phosphenes" and "immediately see phosphenes". Usually I'll get minor phosphenes almost immediately, and if I will it to swirl or grow or whatever, it responds accordingly. If I don't choose to do that, sometimes it takes a minute for them to occur on their own. Other times, usually at night and in dimly lit or dark rooms (or, more rarely, if I'm outside and the sun is shining and it's very bright out), I'll have phosphenes glow and pulsate pretty strongly, to the point it can even disrupt my vision so thoroughly as to see nothing but green in many patches of my field of view. Unlike with eyes-closed phosphenes, I've never experienced purple or red.

      To show the colors of phosphenes I get, I'm going to assign them numbers and post small images labeled with the numbers below. The two colors of green I experience are usually a sort of key lime/color 1 (usually the color I see the most, and the only color if my eyes are open and I've got phosphenes) and a more subdued green with maybe a bit more blue or less yellow in it, which will be color 2. The purple phosphenes rarely ever occur on their own. It's not terribly uncommon for them to occur when the green area of the phosphenes stops being green, like it's the reverse color afterimage of it. I've only had lone purple ones a few times, and the color of purple was quite a bit different than the afterimage purple from the green ones. It'll be color 3. The red phosphenes occurred at the same time the purple ones did, but not as afterimages of the purple (which would be more of a green color if it was an afterimage anyway). The colors would just sometimes switch. It was much darker and very subdued, at times making it hard to tell if it was really red in a way because there was only the black darkness to compare it to. It'll be color 4.

      Color 1:
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      The intensity and brightness of the colors isn't necessarily reflected well in just pointing the color out though. Sometimes the color isn't quite as saturated but seems to be quite intense and bright, other times subdued but still very intense in color. When it comes to this green, it's both very bright, very intense, and very vibrant in color.

      Color 2:
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      This green is fairly vibrant when I see it, but it's much more subdued in intensity and brightness.

      Color 3:
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      Despite actually looking dark, this one was very intense and powerfully vibrant despite still being a darker color. It's not that the color is different so much as the impressions I get of them while seeing them are, and it shows up most noticeably in this purple and especially the red.

      The afterimage from green phosphenes is usually this color:
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      This one shares all the same characteristics of color 1's description.

      Color 4:
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      This one was perhaps most interesting. It was so dark, like I said, that at times I couldn't tell if what I was seeing was actually red. When I could tell that it was though, despite being so dark and subdued, the color was very intense, but not bright at all.
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      Depends on the lighting around me and if/what drugs I have used.
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      It differs. I tried several times and I got something different every time.
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      Always green swirling thingies. I can actually control them to a certain degree if I concentrate.
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      Coins...banknotes...as far as the eye can see.
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      Only white shadows moving in some random path, which changes from time to time but
      repeats itself for a couple of hours before it does. Sometimes flashing shadows and lines.
      No colours at all

      I have to wait a bit for that to happen though.
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      I see blackness, then faint peripheral purple forming into blobs that shrink and disappear at the centre of my vision, over and over in rhythmic repetition.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dandon View Post
      I see blackness, then faint peripheral purple forming into blobs that shrink and disappear at the centre of my vision, over and over in rhythmic repetition.
      I just imagined what you were seeing.

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      First I see black, then I see purple phosphenes.

      Now if I try to "look deeper" I'll see what looks like a swirl ceiling pattern - unsurprisingly it's the exact same pattern the ceiling in the house I grew up in had. Similar to this: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/cimg/www.doi...ized-14119.jpg

      If I wait and let my eyes adjust to the dark then I can make out faint outlines of the objects in my room. At first I thought I was seeing through my closed eyelids when I noticed these, and seeing the actual objects in my room - but I made a couple of observations. One, that I can't see these when there's any form of light in my room, only when it's close to pitch black, and also if I spin on the spot several times, and return to what I think is my original position, it'll look like the outlines are in the same place, but if I open my eyes I'll see that the objects were not in the exact same place I was seeing them. I think it's just like a memory impression of my room - I first started noticing it when I started meditating in darkness a couple of years ago.

      The experience of seeing the outlines of objects in my room is made a little more weird by the fact that there is no colour. All the objects, the background, and the outlines themselves are jet black. Yet I can distinguish where one object ends and another begins. It's quite hard to describe.
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