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      First of all, I would like to say that I thought Christianity was a religion based on love. I thought that members of that religion were supposed to express love rather than hate to all those around you under all circumstances. I mean, if Emily does not love everyone, I don't think she is really a Christian. I mean, most Athiests are more Christian than that.It's more than just a little hypocritical, since NS is based on hate. Maybe something happened to Emily that made her harbor so much hate for others.....

      Anyway, in regards to your question, sit her down with you while you are alone. Tell her just how much you care about her, and how much you want to be with her. Tell her your situation. No relationship can survive without communication, and if you don't tell her the problem you have with her ideas and attitudes on certain issues it will definately not last. I think it is great that you want to get married to her, but you must talk to her about how you feel if you expect anything to change. Anyway, if she gets offended, so what? She hasn't exactly been trying to not offend others or anything. Just make sure she knows that you are serious about the relationship. I am sure everything will be alright.
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      Whoa! I'm away for a while and you go and have a debate like this?! Anyways, my input (welcome or not, here it is anyways):

      First, I will admit when I was younger (not that I'm old now or anything, but whatever) I called myself a "Nazi". Partly I enjoyed the response I got from other people, the shock etc, and also partly because a lot of my views seemed to go along with what they said. Now, after a while I came to realise that this wasn't what I am about, sure, I'd probably be called 'nationalistic' and to a certain extent 'socialist', but not a Nazi. I'd never say people don't have a right to life "just because they're X, Y, or Z", or that they have no right to live here for the same reason. True Nazism is based on hatred and fear of other things which arn't understood, it divides 'you' from 'them', now, I used to recieve newsletters and such from various groups in the UK, and when I read them, you realise just what they're really about. All I'm saying is, is she really a Nazi? Or is it a rebellious streak? And as for not wearing NF tattoos because they might cause offence, isn't that what our society is about? Freedom and choice to believe and display whatever you want? Obviously you do it to cause offence thats different, but just think about it.

      Second, now, this might well cause some offence, so heres a warning - its not meant to! Now, you repeatedly mention God, religion and Christianity as being big influences in the decision. Now, what makes you so sure thats right? I mean, asking your preacher, would he have your best interests at heart? Or would he have problems accepting someone wearing NF symbols in his congregation even if he believed he was being told it was right? I just want to say it's your choice, only you can make it and at the end of the day, you have to go with what feels right to you. Again, I used to be actively involved with the C of E church here, but have moved away from it, and make my own decisions based on what I feel and believe, not what others say I should. Believe me, it changes the way you look at a lot of things, many for the better, and some not so, but IMO at least I'm finding the way myself.

      Just my input, rereading it, it comes across as a bit weird, but whatever. Good luck mate!
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      Originally posted by RyanParis
      What can I tell her that wouldn't offend her?


      If you dont take action now, youre just wasting your time. If this is weighing so heavily on you, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Nothing will change if you dont try. Arguably, you ARE showing your love for her by comfronting her and talking out your problems or frustrations. To me, you seem like a very moral bound person, and I respect that, but I feel the best guidence you can follow is in your heart. Good luck sir.

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      Originally posted by Gwendolyn
      First of all, I would like to say that I thought Christianity was a religion based on love. I thought that members of that religion were supposed to express love rather than hate to all those around you under all circumstances. I mean, if Emily does not love everyone, I don't think she is really a Christian. I mean, most Athiests are more Christian than that.It's more than just a little hypocritical, since NS is based on hate. Maybe something happened to Emily that made her harbor so much hate for others.....
      I don't think you understand...

      Emily doesn't hate anyone. She just likes the White Power/nazi stuff.

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      Originally posted by RyanParis
      Emily doesn't hate anyone. She just likes the White Power/nazi stuff.
      Sounds like a country western song.

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      What do you mean she likes it? She thinks white people are superior?


      Incidentally, a clarification, since no one else has mentioned it, National Socialism is not Socialism. Hitler put Soicalists and Communists to death in camps along with Jews, Gypsies, catholics, and many, many others. Also, his policies were very much to the right economically. Hitler was very Corporate friendly, policy wise. He made Bush look like a Socialist.

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      Originally posted by RCLefty+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RCLefty)</div>
      Incidentally, a clarification, since no one else has mentioned it, National Socialism is not Socialism.[/b]
      I did mention it, what I don't get is either Ryan is actually taking notice in all of our opinions to think about, or if he is just simply not getting nothing.

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      Originally posted by RCLefty
      What do you mean she likes it? She thinks white people are superior?
      Yes.

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      Originally posted by RyanParis

      Yes.
      Let's see her dunk a basketball or pronounce "gefilte fish" correctly.
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      Originally posted by RCLefty+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RCLefty)</div>
      What do you mean she likes it? She thinks white people are superior?[/b]
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      Yes.
      And do you agree with her?

      Putting aside the fact that I think such an attitude is undesirable (to put it extremely mildly), if you two do not agree on this kind of thing, I don't see how your relationship could ever work.

      Seems to me that this is the crux of the entire issue.
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      Originally posted by TygrHawk


      And do you agree with her?

      Putting aside the fact that I think such an attitude is undesirable (to put it extremely mildly), if you two do not agree on this kind of thing, I don't see how your relationship could ever work.
      What if I DO agree Whites are superior?

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      Originally posted by RyanParis
      Emily doesn't hate anyone. She just likes the White Power/nazi stuff.
      Unfortunately, he is right. One does not need to 'hate' another race or ethnic group in order to exile them from their land or to exterminate them. But the effect is very much the same. You see, if you have an inordinately extreme consciousness of one's own Race and a belief in its exalted Destiny, then that extreme love and the priorities and policies that advance from that, will more than make up for any absence of absolute hatred for the other Peoples of the World. While one advances one's own cause, other people will be stepped on or over. There is no hatred, but the damage is done.

      Simply look at America as an example. In pursuit of its own national self interest, even over a matter of relatively little practical value, it rained bombs across Pakistan killing hundreds of innocents including women and children. And America does not hate the people of Pakistan, afterall, they are allies, but the problem there is that the people of Pakistan simply do not matter or factor into the decisions of those Politicians in charge whose credentials for fascism could hardly be more impeccable.

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      Originally posted by RyanParis


      What if I DO agree Whites are superior?
      You see, that is the problem with Democracy. It is inherently Racist. Woodrow Wilson tried to point this out when he theorized and stated that ultimately Democracy would be a tool for "National and Ethnic Self Determination" -- that the ethnic Majorities of each political jurisdiction would achieve political dominance in their dominions. Unfortunately, his style was so dry, and his language so tedious, that nobody caught the alarm and became instantly aware of this pronouncement as an alarm and a warning.

      The problem with Ethnic Self-determination is in regards to Minorities, or, worse, societies that are almost evenly split. when a slaughter might manage to throw the Balance of Power from one Ethnic Group to another, and in a Godless Materialist World where no moral inhabitions would apply, Democracy is predictably violent.

      People need to remember that Hitler came to power in Germany through democratic political process. People needs to understand that all of the Zionist Motivated Genocide against the Palistinian People sources out of an Israeli democracy. America's present war against Islam continues only because America's white majority voted for the policy to continue -- the 2004 Election was in effect a referendum for or against War and the War faction won out... with voting being played out along ethnic lines.

      The solution is for people to discontinue treating democracy as though it is some political Ideal. The advent of Democracy on the World Stage has only resulted in an almost continual string of Wars, Civil Wars, and the establishment of many an Ethnically decided Tyranny of whatever majorities over their victim minorities. We need a system of Government that does not cast 49% of everybody as Losers. We need Win-Win Government.

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      Originally posted by RyanParis
      What if I DO agree Whites are superior?
      Then perhaps you and your girlfriend would be compatible, and the relationship might work.

      Personally, I dislike and disagree with that type of thinking, but as long as you aren't advocating genocide or something like that, then you have a right to your opinion.
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      Originally posted by RyanParis


      I don't think you understand...

      Emily doesn't hate anyone. She just likes the White Power/nazi stuff.
      I don't think you understand, Ryan. Forgive me, but revering one race over another is hate. Pure hate. Nazis hated, and so she hates because she agrees with it. Prejudice is hate. Now, if she says she isn't prejudiced, that' s a lie. What do you think white power is? A declaration of love?
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      Christianity + Nazi?

      That is confusing.

      That flag is huge...

      Well i can't offer any advice on this so i'll just go.
      Do you know where you are?

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      Originally posted by Gwendolyn+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwendolyn)</div>
      I don't think you understand, Ryan. Forgive me, but revering one race over another is hate. Pure hate.
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      No.

      You see, Emily thinks Whites are superior, but doesn't hate other races. Emily said the world would be a beautiful, magnificent, better and far superior place all-White, but she still didn't bash minorities.

      Originally posted by Gwendolyn@

      Nazis hated, and so she hates because she agrees with it.
      No.

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      Now, if she says she isn't prejudiced, that' s a lie. What do you think white power is? A declaration of love?
      Emily says White Power and gives the salute, because she loves the White Race. It doesn't have anything to do with minorities.

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      You are contradicting yourself... she obviously thinks that other races are inferior. She might not hate them but she still would have contempt for them and maybe pity them as well. But seriously, if you plan on marrying her... just talk to her. It'd be worse if it didn't work out then if you got married and you had to live with Nazi ideals guiding your life...

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      I have to agree with Ryan and Leo that technically, racial preference is not hate. Calling it "hate" is very much in vogue right now. It's a populist kind of thing. Don't get me wrong, I think it's wrong-headed, destructive, dangerous, and idiotic, but hate is an emotion. We're not discussing an emotion, but a cold opinion.

      Now there are different degrees of racism. Someone can have the vague impression that their ethnicity is the best, they can have an outspoken and articulated view that their race is the best, or they can have that opinion coupled with an emotional loathing directed toward some or all people who are not of that ethnicity (or of a larger tableau of ethnicities. "White" isn't really an ethnicity. "Polish," "French," "Welsh," and "German" are ethnicities.) What with the tatoos and insignia, Emily has obviously decided that this stance figures prominantly into her identity. That may be caused by strength on conviction, or it may be that it is the thing she thinks separates her most from the rest of society. A lot of people, espescially young people, honestly don't think they exist unless they are as different from other people as possible.

      What if I DO agree Whites are superior? [/b]
      Why are you holding your cards so close to the vest? Do you, or don't you? This isn't a poker game, and it's not the debate club. You asked us our opinions, and if you want informed opinions, you should be straightforward about the situation.

      Ryan, whether you agree with her is very relevant to your initial question. If you are, in fact, a white supremacist yourself, then I say with all due respect that I think you are wrong, at least on that score, but there is no reason you two couldn't have a comparatively healthy relationship.

      If you're not, then you need to be honest with yourself about whether you want to be in a relationship with someone who is. Assuming that you're not, you're being overly romantic about this. I use the word in the literary sense, that you are imagining "love" to be something it isn't. Romantic love isn't a magic spell, it isn't a sacred contract that forms the instant two people share eye contact for the first time, and it isn't, I promise you, the end-all and be-all of human existence. If you break up with someone you have strong feelings for, because of irreconcilable differences, the Earth will not fall off of its axis.

      So many people your age, and I know because I was one of them, have this idea that they are obligated to God, or to each other, or to themselves, or to society to stick it through as long as the other person doesn't make them want to vomit. This is not a fully-formed consious idea mind you, but a vague impression that colors your perceptions from the quieter corners of your mind. But it's wrong.

      The thing is, I know you aren't going to listen to me about this. You're either capable of realizing it at this point in your developement, or you're not. Maybe you are, after all, you did ask us what we think, but let's not kid ourselves here. If we had all immediately said "Dump her, run as fast as you can," you would have dismissed us as "not understanding." Ask yourself, are you really open to advice, or are you just spoiling for a debate?

      Now, if you aren't a white supremacist, or weren't, but you feel you are starting to become one, my advice is simple. Dump her, and run as fast as you can.

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      Ofcourse Emily doesn't hate anyone. Shes just a white power nazi.

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      Well Ryan, I am probably wrong in saying she 'hates' other minorities, but to say that whites are superior is to say that others are inferior...Very racist. I find it hard to believe she could even be a Christian. But, you know, not everyone is perfect.....
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      Originally posted by Incesticide

      Ofcourse Emily doesn't hate anyone. Shes just a white power nazi.
      Agreed.

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      Originally posted by Gwendolyn
      Ryan, I am probably wrong in saying she 'hates' other minorities, but to say that whites are superior is to say that others are inferior...Very racist. I find it hard to believe she could even be a Christian.
      Are you saying it isn't possible to be both a White Power nazi and Christian at the same time?

      My dad is both republican and democrate.

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      Yeah, and I'm both female and male

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      Are you saying it isn't possible to be both a White Power nazi and Christian at the same time?

      My dad is both republican and democrate.
      Yes. I am.
      [=quote\"ataraxis\"] Yeah, and I'm both female and male [/quote]

      My point exactly.
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