Thread: schizophrenia

Alright, sorry it took me so long to reply. Studying for finals has been seriously cutting into my free time. Plus a Flaming Lips concert the other night, what a spectactular show.

Originally posted by wombing+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wombing)</div>

i consider psuedo-science to be when a scientist (professional or layman) acts as if they possess complete knowledge even when there are missing pieces (such as with our current incomplete knowledge of the biology and chemistry behind mind).[/b]

I'm really not sure who you're talking about here. There are certainly no respectable scientists that would claim to have a complete understanding of schizophrenia. As for doctors, they may have a strong opinion as to which medication is the best treatment, but they certainly don't claim to have a perfect solution. This is why so much of the medication process is based on patient-preference.

I'm not saying that current theories should be taken as 100% certain, I just take issue with your 'all or nothing' stance (maybe I've misinterpreted). There are many people who literally can't function properly without certain psychotropic medications, walk around in a major city and you'll see a whole bunch of them curled up in alleys under newspapers. So to suggest that they should be denied treatment on the grounds that other patients don't always reap the same benefits is a little strange.

As for my sarcastic statement, it was in reaction to your categorical denial of the effectiveness of schizophrenia drugs and seeming attitude of paranoia toward the psychiatric community. In retrospect it may have been a bit stong, but oh well.

And yes, in certain cases I think that administering drugs with unpredictable results is the only method to fix psychological disorders. Whereas working through the disorder without chemicals is a poor and futile way.

And since we don't know the specifics of the person in question's case, it's impossible for us to make a judgement either way.

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i was a real person with very real symptoms of skitzophrenia which were effectively countered with a real internal effort which really did help (immensely).

canyou say the same? .. to be truthful, i feel i am in a better position than yourself to suggest what may be best from mongrel's buddy, based on my own experiences with "skitzophrenia". assuming you haven't had similar experiences you have not yet shared..

I don't mean any disrespect to what you went through or anything like that, but as a student of psychology, one of my pet peeves is self-diagnosis. Furthermore, assuming that mongrel's buddy's situation is similar to your own is completely unfounded.

I think I've implied that non-medical treatments are a completely moronic waste of time, if I have, that's not what I intended. Of course it's true that certain chosen actions can have positive effects on the mind. The problems arise when the view of reality becomes so skewed that thinking objectively is next to impossible.

Originally posted by wombing
if skitzophrenia is solely caused by dna, i will be a skitzophrenic the rest of my life...and yet why do i no longer display any symptoms when i used to display many?

My bad, I should have explained this more clearly. The outside stimuli that can cause schizophrenia will only (read as 99.99...99% of the time) cause the condition if the person is genetically predisposed to the condition.

i have only been advocating the opinioon that skitzophrenia can sometimes be surmounted by internal will. [/b]

Well then we don't have a problem.

I just take issue with your 'all or nothing' stance (maybe I've misinterpreted).[/b]

it appears we both misinterpeted then..

I don't mean any disrespect to what you went through or anything like that, but as a student of psychology, one of my pet peeves is self-diagnosis. Furthermore, assuming that mongrel's buddy's situation is similar to your own is completely unfounded.[/b]

well, i only "diagnosed" my condition after i had already conquered it. it is not as if i was walking around conversing with voices, thinking i was the second coming of christ, and yet still saying "oh, i'm just skitzophrenic..."

and one of my pet peeves is academic psychologists who think they are the only ones truly qualified to diagnose and help the mentally disturbed...


it appears our communication does little more than result in peevishness, regardless of the subject. actually, talking with you has shattered my idea that those who appreciate the same music are generally on the same wavelength..

glad you liked the show..would have been incredible