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      Im Leaving

      Too many people are getting banned. I feel like doing something to get myself banned just because all this ban shit going on. I am seriously pissed right now, I really like DV, and i know I will miss all fo you, But when DV is just making me this angry, I'd rather just leave it altogether. I know everyone hates posts like this, but i dont really care, cause The only reason i will ever come back is to fuck this forum. For all my friends, peace, But for all of the mods and admins, good riddance. (I'd rather you not ban me, but I'm pretty sure you will)

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      I've been seeing a rash of bannings lately too, and it's sad. But 99% of the people on DV are great!
      But why are you leaving because of the bannings. If anything, they will make DV better because all of those flaming retards will not be posting!

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      Its not the fault of the staff that a number of users have recently done things to earn bans. I can tell you right now that the staff hates banning people from DV, especially those who have been a part of the community. People are responsible for their own actions, and the rules have no changed.

      If your leaving because of bans, well thats just sad. The staff does their best to make sure the community is enjoyable, and it can't be done while there are idiots degrading it. If your leaving because people with destructive behavior are being banned, I question why you were here to begin with.
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      Honestly, I don't even know who he's talking about. *shrugs* Oh well. Cya.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ExoByte View Post
      The staff does their best to make sure the community is enjoyable...
      ...and you do a great job!

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      I think getting "that angry" over an Internet site is a little over the top. And from what i've seen, DV staff is pretty lenient, and in some cases join in with the shananigans.
      Still can't WILD........

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      I agree that the staff is too harsh, but leaving and throwing a provocative message at the mods in the process, is bad conduct.

      Honestly, I think Asher is an idiot. Icedawg was much better. Guess I shouldn't say that here, though

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      xcrissxcrossx, do you think the bans were unjustified?

      Honestly, I think Asher is an idiot.
      You shouldn't say things like that, people in china disappear for saying things like that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by webmaster View Post
      I've been seeing a rash of bannings lately too, and it's sad. But 99% of the people on DV are great!
      But why are you leaving because of the bannings. If anything, they will make DV better because all of those flaming retards will not be posting!
      I agree. Leaving just because some people have been banned is a bit silly. DV is a better place without people like that.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Marvo View Post
      the staff is too harsh
      uhm?

      Honestly, I think Asher is an idiot.

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      Banned? For what? For having an opinion? That's pretty harsh.

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      Uh, why does everyone keep insulting Asher? I only just got back here after an 8 month break and don't know what happened here. What did he actually do?

      Fill me in please?

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      Quote Originally Posted by badassbob View Post
      Uh, why does everyone keep insulting Asher? I only just got back here after an 8 month break and don't know what happened here. What did he actually do?

      Fill me in please?
      Asher is the new owner of DV. I have the feeling that some people resent the fact that Icedawg sold DV. Let me list a few good points in being under new management:

      1) We are now on a dedicated server, much faster pageloads
      2) We have someone who is actively trying to help DV grow
      3) We have someone who is now working on adding features to the forum.

      Sure some things have changed, but mostly we are still the same.

      Now let me address the bannings. We absolutely hate to ban members, you have no idea the amount of stress and discussion that goes into each decision to ban. Most of the members that do get banned on DV would not have been tolerated for half the time we put up with them.

      Will there be more bannings? I am absolutely positive there will be. Please keep in mind, we ban in order to keep DV a fun and friendly place. When somone gets wild and wooley, it brings the whole forum down.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Marvo View Post
      I agree that the staff is too harsh, but leaving and throwing a provocative message at the mods in the process, is bad conduct.

      Honestly, I think Asher is an idiot. Icedawg was much better. Guess I shouldn't say that here, though
      Oh yes and he's slipping, I repeat he's slipping! No wait, he's back on the course! Bit of a close one there JR if I must say myself. Well this isn't the first time... The... *cough* ugh.,,,

      Oh,,,, god.....

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      Can anybod tell me or direct me to a place where i can find out who's been banned? I'm really curious.

      I'm just surprised I haven't been banned already, course I'm not as much of a badass as I see myself. I've been banned from CS:S servers about twenty times for team killing, using the word nigger excessively, and being too damn good, I deleted a myspace group of 19,000 members, I got into a few fights with some "hackers" in a related group and got my myspace account locked. Gotta love ya, Seeker...piss off seeker day october 15.

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      Quote Originally Posted by badassbob View Post
      Uh, why does everyone keep insulting Asher? I only just got back here after an 8 month break and don't know what happened here. What did he actually do?

      Fill me in please?
      I second.

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      I've yet to see someone banned who didn't deserve it. In fact alot of times I'd like to have seen members be banned sooner. DV is lenient. Maybe to lenient. I'm sure I've heard that you get multiple warnings before being banned. If you chose to ignore these then you have to right to be a member.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ethen
      Quote Originally Posted by badassbob
      Uh, why does everyone keep insulting Asher? I only just got back here after an 8 month break and don't know what happened here. What did he actually do?
      Fill me in please?
      I second.
      Third. Can someone outline what actually happened? Who got banned and why?

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      It's a long story, but basically, Asher banned Kaniaz, then there was a little fuss about that, then he unbanned Kaniaz. Kaniaz had in the meantime completely left everything that anything to do with DreamViews. He's not even been on his MSN the last 5 months.

      Who is Kaniaz? One of the best members on DreamViews.

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      Ah, I see. Did Asher state a reason for the ban, or was it undisclosed?

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      when did all this happen? I didnt even notice it...


      i havent noticed the bans either. But i know the mods wouldn't ban someone without a reason. I mean think about it. It takes EXTRA work to ban someone. why would they go all that way just to ban someone without a reason? it just means more work. So even if you dont know the reason to why the people were banned, there has got to be one, cause the stafff wouldnt just waste their time to ban people for fun.
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      Quote Originally Posted by archdreamer View Post
      Ah, I see. Did Asher state a reason for the ban, or was it undisclosed?
      Kaniaz found a security hole in the chat, and exploited it. He informed Seeker about it, and then went on the chat. In there, he impersonated Asher. Everybody knew, that it was Kaniaz, since he had already told them that.

      Then later on, Kaniaz got banned, for exploiting the security hole, without telling anybody about it.

      Now, 4 things:

      1: Kaniaz did say it
      2: Kaniaz didn't do any harm
      3: Kaniaz has always been finding security holes in the DV software
      4: From what I can gather, the hole is still there

      After a lot of talk and fuss and all, Asher unbanned Kaniaz and apologized, but Kaniaz was already pretty pissed on the new community, so he left.
      As I said, I've not even seen him on MSN for a long time now.

      Edit: it wasn't really a security hole. He could just impersonate whoever he wanted to.

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      Well folks, the trend seems to go like this.

      Member joins - one of many things happens:
      1) Member becomes a contributor to the site (whether by LD related posts or just good to have around). Such a member will make friends through his/her good standing reputation, which leads to a more enjoyable community.

      OR

      2) Member starts out all excited about LDing, contributes a bit, loses interest or enthusiasm, then dissappears. Community is effected in the short term (depending on member's prescence), but moves on.

      OR

      3) Member comes in under the guise of contributing to the site (and in some cases does temporarily), however, becomes a nuisance to other members who fall under the 1st category. This leads to frustration among the 1st group category, but more importantly, can GREATLY influence the 2nd category of members who are already on the fence.

      So, the staff goal is to make DV an informational and enjoyable experience for the lucid dreaming community. In order to do that, we have to weed out those that cause too much disruption. Everyone fucks up now and then, and members will get warnings. However, when it becomes obvious the member doesn't want to work towards the same goal as the staff and rest of the community, they're shown the door (virtually).

      Unfortunately, sometimes good members befriend other members who fall under this category. So, when they see their friend get banned, they are, understandably so, upset. Thing is, all we're saying is that we don't want the trouble makers here - you can keep being friends with the member in question, just not in this forum.

      xcrissxcrossx, with every ban we realize there's a risk of other members (of the 1st category) that will get frustrated and leave in protest. That is unfortunate. However, new members will join and the cycle will continue. It's better to have a strong and healthy community waiting for them when they do, than one with members who will discourage them from staying. If your leaving is intended to 'hurt' the community, it really isn't so much as hurting yourself. Ask yourself if you really have come to hate being here, or if you're doing this as an act of protest. If it's the later, then just say you're pissed and be done with it - no need to leave.

      Either way, wish you the best.

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      Regarding the Kaniaz thing:
      I too was upset at the whole banning of Kaniaz (I miss his presence here as well). But as you said, Marvo - he was unbanned and apologized to. It is HIS choice not to come around, however. So, our door is open.
      Last edited by Tornado Joe; 07-31-2007 at 02:39 PM.

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      Tornado Joe, I think you summed things up pretty well.
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