Online DV Chat Lecture - Interested?

O'nus DV Chat Lecture/Mentor:
Logical Fallacies

Proposed dates:
18th
19th
21st
25th
26th
+ General times are aimed at 8pm, EST (north american). Specific dates depend on respones.

We will be discussing logical fallacies and their common usages. Such fallacies include:
- Ad hominem
- Appeal to tradition
- Begging the question
- Straw man
and more.

Format will go:
- Title of Fallacy
- Question to audience; ie. sample and analysis
- Explanation of fallacy
- Examples of common usage.

Depending on interest, this could turn into a series as there are many fallacies.

Are you interested? What time works for you? Please respond even if you are not sure of a time so that I can gauge general interest.

Note: I am also looking for someone to make minutes of the discussion. Anyone who is willing to record the discussion while participating (or just record), please contact me.
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I`ll check it out if I`m available, but it better be interesting, because "a good lecture" is an oxymoron to me :P...

Oh, and you can record the chat log, it`s one of the buttons in there.

I'm probably available, so I'll come.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Are you interested?

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No.

Are you a self-proclaimed 20-something professor or... what? Purpose please? :)

Well Mes maybe some people just like to sit and listen( well read n this case) to new and interesting information.:)

However is this just a lecture or also a civilized debate/questioning session on the topic as well?

Just saying I'd like some background on the guy.

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Just saying I'd like some background on the guy.

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I think he just wants to make the chat a more "civilized" environment.

Of all the places apt for serious debate, DV chat is not one of them.

In fact, it's not fit for any purpose.

Give us IRC now!

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

No.

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Then don't respond, jackass.
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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Are you a self-proclaimed 20-something professor or... what? Purpose please? :)

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I'm an honours associative student right now going for masters and whatever else is available to me. I have held labs and tutorial sessions in various topics such as the following:
- Logic
- Behavioural research
- Cognitive psychology
- Developmental psychology
- Philosophy of the mind
- Existentialism

I am a psychology/philosopher specialising in these specifics:
- Psychology: Cognitive/Developmental
- Philosophy: Existentialism/Logic

I have also been an executive member of a debate club recognized by CUSID.

Furthermore, the purpose of this is not to change DV chat or anything, but simply discuss logical fallacies and their usages. The purpose is enlightenment - for all involved.

As a note.. I do not know what IRC is, so I can not use it..
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You idiot, we've been doing it like this for years. Do you really think we need a fool to tell us stupid things? I really don't think any of us are interested to hear some fool copy and pasting Wikipedia articles about things we already know just to annoy us.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

As a note.. I do not know what IRC is, so I can not use it..

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC

As a note...consider yourself informed. ;)

i don't understand why everyone is being so mean...:(

and Mark75( i really don't understand your gender symbol, was it not male a while back, transsexual, mistake?) i thought you weren't so flameyish...

We haven't had many replies yet O'Nus, other people might be interested in your lectures. Though i suggest you let others speak a little, maybe you could introduce a topic and people could discuss it after you have talked for a little.

^ Totally! :D I think a discussion about these various topics is a great idea. Or an involved type of lecture.

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Originally Posted by Mark75

You idiot, we've been doing it like this for years. Do you really think we need a fool to tell us stupid things? I really don't think any of us are interested to hear some fool copy and pasting Wikipedia articles about things we already know just to annoy us.

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Wow, possibly the perfect demonstration of someone who needs a lesson in logic. Not a simple cogent sentence in it.

I am not aiming at a pretentious over-tone. I have conducted seminars in logic and am willing to share the content online. If you are so conditioned to "know-it-alls" dwelling their knowledge over you and this is how you respond, then I am inclined to wonder why you respond so strongly.

I would never use wikipedia. It is a foolish source not recognized in any academic world. The only online source I use is:
http://plato.stanford.edu/
+ I suggest you explore it before making smug remarks.

More specifically:
- What have you been doing for years?
- What is it that are "stupid things"? Logic?
- How am I a fool?
- Can you demonstrate how you already "know" logic when you obviously have not practiced any logical cogent arguements in that post whatsoever.

I do not understand the tension against this. I am offering a discussion and my experience at mentoring logic. We could easily change the subject to something else, if you would prefer.

Other topic ideas:
- Biopsychology
- Neuropharmacology
- Developmental psychology; ie. age groups and fundamentals

On that note, please direct malingering, capricious, cretinous, malicious, comments to another dismal toilet of the world where you can expel such thoughtless spew where it will be appreciated. Pillock.
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I'll come, if it isn't a too ungodly time here.

I'll come if I'm not too busy; it sounds like a good auxiliary skill to have when debating.

I think that if there's any maliciousness toward you O'nus, it's because of the way you present your material.. it's very, I don't know, cold and business-like. We're too used to having people be open and casual around here I guess.

I doubt that there is a large number of people who are already interested in those subjects.. and if you want to make them interested, you have to introduce them in a way that captivates people.

:)

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I think that if there's any maliciousness toward you O'nus, it's because of the way you present your material.. it's very, I don't know, cold and business-like. We're too used to having people be open and casual around here I guess.

I doubt that there is a large number of people who are already interested in those subjects.. and if you want to make them interested, you have to introduce them in a way that captivates people.

:)

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Really..? Cold and business-like..? Jeez.. I guess I am too used to publications..

Do you have suggestions to change it.?
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Meh. You just gotta be casual. Type the way you would talk to a buddy. :) At least in a forum such as this, that gets a wider range of audience interested. Although who knows, I might be the only one here thinking this. :shock: :parapet:

In any case, none of those dates work for me because I have two exams that won't end until the 27th. But if you continue to do these, I will definitely come to one after that.

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Meh. You just gotta be casual. Type the way you would talk to a buddy. :) At least in a forum such as this, that gets a wider range of audience interested. Although who knows, I might be the only one here thinking this. :shock: :parapet:

In any case, none of those dates work for me because I have two exams that won't end until the 27th. But if you continue to do these, I will definitely come to one after that.

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Definitly.

I think I choose the wrong title as "lecture" is not what I am intending. It is a misnomer of my intention. I would much rather a discussion as they are much more enlightening.

However, I do not think I can change the thread title now..?
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Originally Posted by O'nus

Really..? Cold and business-like..? Jeez.. I guess I am too used to publications..

Do you have suggestions to change it.?
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Not like you asked my opinion, but she's right. To make friends make yourself friendly. So far you've come across as totally unrelatable.

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

it's very, I don't know, cold and business-like.

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So put on a tie and an extra pair of socks.

I remember studying logical fallacies back in high school. I remember the names, but forget examples of some of them. I love post hoc ergo propter hoc (I forget the spelling).

I'd attend, but different time zones means it'll most likely be on sometime when I'm sleeping or at work.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

Not like you asked my opinion, but she's right. To make friends make yourself friendly. So far you've come across as totally unrelatable.

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This post really disheartened me.. I am really acting like myself and apparently I am unrelatable..?
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Originally Posted by O'nus

This post really disheartened me.. I am really acting like myself and apparently I am unrelatable..?
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Don't take it personally, but in a way...yeah a bit. Or at least from my perspective. I don't understand what 80% of the topics were or words you used mean. Is this lecture for people who are knowledegable about these topics so you all can discuss it further or is it for people like me who have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about?

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut_Jeff777

Don't take it personally, but in a way...yeah a bit. Or at least from my perspective. I don't understand what 80% of the topics were or words you used mean. Is this lecture for people who are knowledegable about these topics so you all can discuss it further or is it for people like me who have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about?

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I see it was a mistake to call it a lecture.. I though it would just get more attention - obviously the wrong attention, lol.

Note; so.. my vocabulary and choice of words makes me seem like a smart-ass, huh? lol.. dang it..

I intended it as a discussion for people who have not studied logical fallacies so that they can know. So, it is intented to mentor it for people who do not know logic. Since there are many young people on the board, I thought it would be a good idea to share logical fallacies as, when I was young, it was something I appreciated the most.

What do you think...?
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Originally Posted by O'nus

I see it was a mistake to call it a lecture.. I though it would just get more attention - obviously the wrong attention, lol.

Note; so.. my vocabulary and choice of words makes me seem like a smart-ass, huh? lol.. dang it..

I intended it as a discussion for people who have not studied logical fallacies so that they can know. So, it is intented to mentor it for people who do not know logic. Since there are many young people on the board, I thought it would be a good idea to share logical fallacies as, when I was young, it was something I appreciated the most.

What do you think...?
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I think it's a great idea now that I seem to have grasped the concept a bit more...I wouldn't mind sitting in and listening so I can understand this. I'll try and make it. :)

Due to the "calibre" of DV patrons and what happens when discussions take place or anything like that, I will not be attending.

:chuckle: You're still young O'nus! You're what, 23? 24?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

.... so.. my vocabulary and choice of words makes me seem like a smart-ass, huh? lol.. dang it..
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I disagree, I think you're fine the way you are. Everyone communicates differently, and the way you're doing it really does seem like who you are to me. Just because you use bigger words than a lot of people on here, or want to give a "lecture" or whatever, doesn't mean anything. It seems like that's who you actually are and you're being genuine. People just like to pick sometimes. Or they get in a mood or whatever. Don't worry about it and don't think you have to alter or edit yourself or the way you talk or whatever. You're not some raging asshole as far as I can see, and I think that's all that matters. :D

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Originally Posted by kichu

I disagree, I think you're fine the way you are. Everyone communicates differently, and the way you're doing it really does seem like who you are to me. Just because you use bigger words than a lot of people on here, or want to give a "lecture" or whatever, doesn't mean anything. It seems like that's who you actually are and you're being genuine. People just like to pick sometimes. Or they get in a mood or whatever. Don't worry about it and don't think you have to alter or edit yourself or the way you talk or whatever. You're not some raging asshole as far as I can see, and I think that's all that matters. :D

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Coming from someone I do not personally know, that really means a lot and is really nice. Shows a lot about your honset and sincere character.

Mes: Where did you get those numbers from..?
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Um... I just want to throw in my support for O'nus. I don't think I'd be terribly interested in this lecture/discussion, but I wanted to say that he is one of the smartest people on this site. When I first started out here, I learned a lot of scientific information that he was willing to take the time to research.

I'm glad you're back, man... even if you've been back for a little while now.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Mes: Where did you get those numbers from..?
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I thought you were around 20 3 years ago?

This is Scwigglie... :P

And for the love of god I'm not saying anything bad about him man, I was just pointing out that a different writing style would make a wider range of audiences interested.

:roll:

:roll:

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I thought you were around 20 3 years ago?

This is Scwigglie... :P

And for the love of god I'm not saying anything bad about him man, I was just pointing out that a different writing style would make a wider range of audiences interested.

:roll:

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Yeah, I see what you mean. This is supposed to be a community and, unfortunately, I am more used to publications and "professional" bureaucratic dictum.

I promise to make the next declared discussion a much more personal side of O'nus, ;)

I keep forgetting that you are Scwigglie. You're pretty close to my age, by the way...
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O'nus, your idea is in fact excellent in my point of view. The thing is that kids in here dont realize their lackness of knowledge. Some of them have a first hand experience with things. And many others from other sources.

The fact is, they will just ignore and insultyou in many directions, so that you look likea fool infront of their faces. Ignore useless comments, they are all based on lack of knowledge.

Our world is beyond comprehention, thus beyond any limits. Many people suffer due to the non intellectual thinking. Thus blocking their pattern for evolution.
They live a life given by those upfront, who think and take descitions for them.

They dont comprehend what sharing knowledge is, nor do they comprehend what intelligence is. As for my self, i wouldnt bother attending your lessons, as long as i percieve something.

Logic is all about intellectuality. A person who is able to take descitions for him self, without regreting them. Thus, drawing his future in front of his eyes, so that he could percue it. But as you can see, there are some individuals who might agree with me.

Its a choice, why not use it when its free? why not absorb somethingnew? why bother shutting a person off, who is percuing on helping individuals who need help? isnt that what education is all about? arnt our lifes based on knowledge? what if this person can offer us something we never knew before. Thus critiscing him for nothing?

And people who say he got it from wikipedia? who the heck are you to judge his sources? do u freaking ask your self from where your books come from? from what sources? gosh....

Dont bother correcting my spelling...

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Originally Posted by O'nus

I keep forgetting that you are Scwigglie. You're pretty close to my age, by the way...
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Yep! :content: Why did you leave DV for such a long time, by the way? Before you came back, I randomly got nostalgic for some of the things you used to post. I also remember seeing a picture of you sleeping with your mouth open? :chuckle: Good old days.

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Yep! :content: Why did you leave DV for such a long time, by the way? Before you came back, I randomly got nostalgic for some of the things you used to post. I also remember seeing a picture of you sleeping with your mouth open? :chuckle: Good old days.

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lol - that's a rare pic, I guarantee.

I left because of overwhelming responsibilities in school. Later years get a little more profound in detail.. Fortunately, I have found time to be able to relax and enjoy the boards again.

*Starts to get conscientious of someone knowing more about him than he does about them... searches mes tarrant up..*
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lol I've never studied them and I'm really interested. I would love to get to a lecture/discussion in DV chat, but the only problem to me is my Brazilian timezone.

:D

You crazy Brazilians!! :D HI KROMOH!

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Coming from someone I do not personally know, that really means a lot and is really nice. Shows a lot about your honset and sincere character.
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Awww...thanks. Good luck with the lecture.

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Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

You crazy Brazilians!! :D HI KROMOH!

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Hey there, long time no seeing you :D

I'm planning to go fully polyphasic after tests end, but it shall take a week or so. After that, combined with school vacation, time won't be a problem.

I'm going to have philosophy classes next year... Wonder if I'll learn those topics?

Anyone wanna say what time it will be in different time zones..?

no?

I'll do it in a minute.. yawn.

I'd be interested in this, but I feel like I already have a fairly good grasp on the basic fallacies. Obviously more advanced lectures are not in high demand, though :P

I'd be happy to sit in anyways.

logical fallicies plz. i'll be there.

Hello all,

EDIT: Due to school issues, I must change this discussion to December 2nd at 3pm.

I will be conducting a discussion on logical fallacies on November 30th on DV Chat at 8pm est. I will give time zone differences in one moment.

What is the discussion about?
- Fundamental logical fallacies
- This is usually covered in senior high school courses. If possible, I would like to eventually show the logical symbolism that high school courses do not teach.

Why DV Chat:
- It is a part of dream views and everyone on dream views can access it (unlike IRC [ie. I do not use/want IRC]).

EDIT: Times have been adjusted.
Time Zones:
North American EST: 3 pm
North American CEN: 2 pm
North American WST: 1 pm
North American West Coast: 12 pm
London: 8 pm
Paris: 9 pm

(If someone can do a better job translating the time zones.. please go ahead, lol.)

What do you think..?
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Originally Posted by O'nus

Other topic ideas:
- Biopsychology
- Neuropharmacology
- Developmental psychology; ie. age groups and fundamentals


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I'm game for learning more about Biopsychology and Neuropharmacology. Are Biopsychology and Biopsychiatry the same or are they different in some aspects?

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Originally Posted by Merck

I'm game for learning more about Biopsychology and Neuropharmacology. Are Biopsychology and Biopsychiatry the same or are they different in some aspects?

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I would say yes;
biopsychology - how our biology effects our psychology
biopsychiatry - utilising the above for therapeutic usage.

However, I would just normally call it neuropharmacology.
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basic logical fallicies. i learned them last year but off a worksheet which my teacher didn't correct--- my teacher sucked. i didn't learn shit in that class

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Jones

basic logical fallicies. i learned them last year but off a worksheet which my teacher didn't correct--- my teacher sucked. i didn't learn shit in that class

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Seriously, I learn more in an hour on the internet than seven at school.

What a waste of life. :(

funny thing. teachers don't teach. textbooks teach. my teachers are bosses. they give work.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Jones

funny thing. teachers don't teach. textbooks teach. my teachers are bosses. they give work.

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Ditto.

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Originally Posted by thegnome54

Seriously, I learn more in an hour on the internet than seven at school.

What a waste of life. :(

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Yup.

thing is, schools will put a block on nearly half the internet.