Thread: Election Time! Who Would You Vote For?

Anyways, if we even DID have power, I would go with Bush, the lesser of two Evils politically and more beneficial for the welfare of our country[/b]

He's....*gasp*......helped the country?What??? Are you crazy?

I'm a nuke the middle east type[/b]

Oh...that says it all right there. YOu are cazy. Lets bomb the middle east because they....give us funny looks? You're talking about a large percentage of humans on this planet. Should we just bomb them for some bullshit political adgenda? Oh wait....are you actually scared of them? I think you've watched one to many action movies with mid-eastern terrorist(notice the evil villain in every american movie has an accent)

Kerry is a rich hypocritical bastard that never had a job in his life[/b]

Sounds a lot like Bush, and every other waste of my time polotician. Bush knows people....Kerry knows people. They're both power hungry politicians.

You get a guy who dares to say shit he thinks like Howard Dean, he sweeps the independant polls and *gasp* he loses everywhere! Still believe the elections are fair? Cant wait til they get the elctronic voting. No paper trails.....

Agree or get the hell out? ...Must I remind you of why we're a nation in the first place? Viva la revolution![/b]

I hope you know I was being sarcastic...

When I make my decision as to who to vote for I keep in mind some important facts:

1. We are never going to understand or know what is going to happen exactly
2. We can make an informed guess. The more informed we are, the better our gues will be.
3. NO SYSTEM IS PERFECT. (in other words anarchy doesn't work, which explains why near-Democracies are predominant)

Since no choice you make will result in a good conclusion, the best you can hope for is to elect the lesser of two evils.

A very extreme, silly example: Kerry's administration might not be perfect, and may only be responsible for 500 American deaths. But if Bush administration was responsible for 2000 American deaths and 50,000 foreign deaths, I think we would agree that it is best to vote Kerry.

Finally as a liberal-left Scotsman, I say "Get Bush out of office please."

Originally posted by gameover
Voting is just giving in to thier way of life. So I dare eveyone to stay home this election season and show these politicians that you're not playing thier games. Puppet A or puppet B? Kerry and Bush are good buddy's(Skull and Bones. woo woo!) *Who gives a shit, I'm going to sleep.

So you promote unrock the vote.
I hope you do not take that same approach in your local elections

I give a shit. I live here and I should.

So you promote unrock the vote. *
I hope you do not take that same approach in your local elections [/b]

I take that approach to all elections. I just let everyone else vote and continue doing what seems important to me. And anyways I can't seem to be in one place for more than a few months anyways.(cali, chicago,san diego, maui, florida...)

Originally posted by gameover

So you promote unrock the vote. *
I hope you do not take that same approach in your local elections

I take that approach to all elections. I just let everyone else vote and continue doing what seems important to me. And anyways I can't seem to be in one place for more than a few months anyways.(cali, chicago,san diego, maui, florida...)[/b]

I could only be so lucky. Instead I am stuck in Ohio in the rain. Now that is whining.

I think our sytem needs to find a way to sponser a third party canidate. An indepndant. We have a choice, but ya, wow, Betwen two people. It is impossible four an independant to run & win the way our system is structured now.

Yeah, which is why Im thinking if enough people egnored the system it would be powerless. It's strength comes from everyone recognizing its authority. Maybe Nader needs assemble some people who just start living the way they want to. Dont even bother with the impossible to win election. Just start living the way you want, and if enough people feel the same way, change is inevitable. Thats what I do every day on a small scale. Just live my life, regardless of what politicians say.

And I don't knwo about the rest of Ohio, but Drew Carey says Clevland rocks! Or the song says Clevland rocks. Drew Carey just says "Ohio!"

I would vote for bush.

I would vote for bush. [/b]

luckily Bush fans dont need to vote. He somehow manages to win anyways

I was in Ohio for the last election, but couldn't envision myself as a "resident of Ohio." Now I have more or less accepted this fate, for the time being, and will do what I can where I am. It's weird, I live in the capital city, which is fairly liberal and diverse, and it's easy to forget that the GOP owns state gov't. The only pro-Bush propaganda I've seen was on gigunda SUVs taking freeway exits for the wealthier suburbs. Seriously, I've seen three of 'em.

THere's lots of Hummers in Orange County,CA, but amazingly most of em hate Bush. But i think that's a west coast trend, that even gets to the wealthy.

If everyone stops voting it just gives more power to the ones who do vote. Doesn't change anything else except when you ask someone to do something for you, they will ignore you since you don't vote.

It doesnt give them any power. Like Ive siad, I no longer care about poitics because they have nothing to do with the important things in my life. People can vote or not vote, it doesnt matter to me. I'm gonna live my life in my surroundings without worrying about who's getting more power or what. That's a power I no longer worry about. So I'm not gonna vote so other people have less power, because I don't care about these ridiculous power games. Power this, money that....I'm happy keeping those issues as far away form me as possible.

Everything comes back to people voting. Anything any politician ever does, almost always comes back to what people wanted him to do. If you don't do anything then you have 0 say in what they do. If they outlaw something you do its your own fault. If you ever thought "oh there should be a new law to stop that" and it never happens, thats your fault too.

A lot of people hate the politicians and stuff but there really just people like you or me, who cared enough about what they believed in to take it a step farther.

Originally posted by gameover

I would vote for bush.

luckily Bush fans dont need to vote. He somehow manages to win anyways [/b]

lol

A lot of people hate the politicians and stuff but there really just people like you or me[/b]

I dont hate anyone. I just dont like politics. And again, I hope I dont have to repeat this, I have no complaints. None. I don't bitch about the shape of the world. I just live my life the way I see fit. There has been plenty of Laws that dont allow us to make personal choices for ourselves, and I just ignore them like I ignore the politicians. Ive smoked pot, I've drank alcohol(Im 19), I've eaten mushrooms, Ive jaywalked, Ive used aresol cans in the way not directed on the can. I've since quit taking illegal drugs but again, that was a personal choice that had nothing to do with politics. And anyways, you can vote for a politician based on what he says, but they'l go and do something else anyways, and its not against the law. They can talk out of thier asses all the want. Ill bring up a famous quote..."No more new taxes". And anyways they lie and lie and lie so much, I'm not wating my time digging through it to find out whats right and not. The honest politicians dont get elected. Because they don't get involved in the web of corruption. If you dont know someone, you dont win. You gotta be a bastard like Bush and Kerry, and CLinton and, pretty much every single president.

If you lie to often and people find out they wont vote for you again.

But by then its too late. So then they vote for some other politician who does the same thing. And then they use thier power to get re-elected, and cover up the crimes theyve comitted against you. Big web of corruption=dishonest politicains in office. The honest ones cant even get elected. And anyways, Ill leave the voting up to you. VOte for your town mayor, your senators, your governors, your president. See where it gets you. Its been fucking peoplepver for thousands of years, I welcome you to change it if you feel like taking on that task. But me, lifes to short to worry about making big changes. Id rather appreciate the good things in life. The people I care about, dreams, having pointless discussions about the usefullness of politics....ah yes. Life is good.

To some degree I do understand where you are coming from gameover. Most likley out of frustration. But do you not agree that the whole institution of our voting is what makes our country unique. To me it sounds like you are giving up. NO. More like copy out. The less civilians do the more power the government will have and the more reasons you will have to be pissed of at our government.

But do you not agree that the whole institution of our voting is what makes our country unique.[/b]

No I don't agree. You think America's the only country that votes? Sadaam was even \"voted in\" like bush was \"voted in\". Also check out the rest of europe, brazil, probably most of south america, canada, mexico....should I continue? ANd anyways, the same bullshit has been in every nation for the past thousans of years. Im not giving in or coping out. Im living my life! Im celelbrating life! What's worng with that?

The less civilians do the more power the government will have and the more reasons you will have to be pissed of at our government.[/b]

The government would be completely powerless if the people ignored it. It's our constant attention and our global recognition of these powers that keeps them there. The people constantly feed the governments ego by voting and debating laws and power and money and other bulllshit.

To some degree I do understand where you are coming from gameover. Most likley out of frustration[/b]

I was frustrated when I worried about politics. Now theres no frustration because it has nothing to do with my life. Im happy. I love life. I don't worry about who's putting what money where. I have friends, family, music, and dreaming to put my energy into. THe things that really matter. THats where change starts. RIght here! I dont need to look at politics for change. Try showing your love to those who need it most. Try beeing excellent to others! THe only change I worry about is my little corner of the universe. If everyone did that, the world would be settled.

First off comparing Bush to being voted in to be like saddam just shows you know nothing about it, and makes you look like a jerk.

Secondly the more you ignore goverment the stronger it becomes not weaker. How can you say it gets weaker? You don't watch what they do and keep and eye on them they will do all kinds of stupid things to make themself have more control. You can't just go around and act like they are not there. What are you going to do, stop paying taxes and drive around without a license? Then when they come and throw you in jail you can cover your eyes and go "lalala I am not really in jail".

im sorry but my feelings for the government. is that i dislike it. sorry if anyone works for the government. but i dislike them

Originally posted by Berserk_Exodus
Your presidential vote counts for nothing.

It's the electoral college that matters. *Put more into voting for your governors and senators than in your presidents. *That's how the system works, this isn't a direct democracy, idiots. *That's what everyone assumes.

Yes, people do not, do not fucking understand this. They are so worried about what dick is going to become president that they forget who actually votes for the president.

Also, they hardly vote for their state congressman (usually they'll only go for two spheres of protection: local, or the mayor, and national, or the president. trust me, I've talked to enough people.), and then complain about problems with their president. The legislative branch, mind you, is pretty much the most powerful one, and let we have the lowest degenerates as congressmen. People complain "look what the president has done to our economy!" but they don't see the core of the problems. Who voted to go to war? Who voted for all these "patriot acts" and such? Yep. Open your eyes.

If people voted for honest candidates (yeah, I know it's hard, but you have to look deeper than speeches and slogans), we wouldn't have this much corruption in the government. Then there's that bullshit Hollywood Congressman, who tells the "New Guy" that just started his first term that, "It's a dog-eat-dog world out there." or "Nice guys finish last." Why doesn't he just say "I just finished my ride with the Statue of Liberty. We tossed that bitch 'round good!" Exactly what these people are doing. Raping us from within. The good congressmen (all seven) are probably really angry too, because of everything that is gotten away with. I would feel cheated, but I would also pass up a good million dollar paycheck so someone could get a forest paved. Or would I? The majority of congress is getting paid off, and there's no way I could help win the vote, so what the hell? That is probably the logic they use, and...well, it works.

The only way to keep the government in line is to not resort yourself to blind patriotism. Question the government, critisize them, whatever it takes. Just let them know you have your eye on them. That is a real patriot.

joseph, you make a good point....