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      We've Lit Up the Earth

      Hey guys, check out the picture in the link below.

      http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...lights_lrg.jpg

      Basically this is how lit up the world is, i think its pretty amazing that we have come so far as to light up this much of the world. Of course, it cannot last forever. This brings me onto the next topic which relates to this, oil. Oil is due to deplete in around 40-45 years time if we consume the same level that we do now, but it is obvious that with population growth that the deadline will become a lot closer. Though many people will think that the government will have a backup plan, or green energy will save us, you are in fact wrong to a degree. We are due for some scary changes in fact.

      Sure, green energy will dampen the effects of oil depletion, but it will not completely solve our problems. Just put into your mind how much we rely on oil, not just for fuel, but for plastic. Oil is a requirement to make plastic, and how much are we dependant on plastic? Its in most technology, its on the packaging of foods and much much more. Plastic is a big part of our lives though we may not realize it, and when oil depletes, we will lose our source of plastic production. And then again, we can only recycle plastic so many times.

      I can imagine that the picture in the above link in 50 or so years will look much much different, darker, colder and less active.

      What are your thoughts?
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      The earth will not be running out of oil anytime soon at all. That's a load of propaganda used by the arabs to spike prices.

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      No, the world is not running out. We just can't quite get to the oil.

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      All of Quebec's electricity is hydroelectric .

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      This same picture is in my Geography book at school. It's amazing.


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      i have to agree that the supposed crisis of fossil fuels is rather exaggerated. Go back 50 years or more and you will many politicians and scientists exclaiming " We shall be out of coal in the next 10 years" or " By 1990 the worlds Oil supply will be depleted" etc etc.

      Basically as old oil fields are found more are discovered, we mine deeper, we extract more efficiently, etc. I mean checks on Antarctica's supply of our fossil fuels is in it's infancy. I'm pretty sure we will find coal, oil and gas in rich supply, don't forget it to was part of Pangaea and it hasn't been touched by us yet. Also don't forget all the sediment that is still laying underneath the Oceans, some areas of Ocean are likely to be very rich in natural gas( take the Bermuda Triangle for example, it's richness in methane is the main theory for the many loses of ships in it's area) and other resources laid down when those seas non-existent.

      However obviously there is a limit, i would suggest no matter what the govenment say to boost taxes and profits in fossil fuels. We have a big enoguh supply to last 100 years if not more.

      By then of course i do no doubt we will go more nuclear. England already has multiple nuclear power stations and is planning to build more. When( i do not believe it is a matter of if?) we successfully crack nuclear fusion then other energy needs will in all essence be solved as we will have created artificial suns, hydrogen and helium are plentiful, i believe i am correct in saying they are elements involved in fusion.
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      I think that what most people forget is that this is a constant cycle, like evolution. It doesn't all of the sudden happen, but as long as organic material is decomposing, it's being compressed into coal and petrol.

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      But many of you seem to ignore the fact that once oil goes, so does plastic. I'm not saying that there will just be no oil. There will be oil, but it will be very expensive due to limited supply. Oh, and one more thing, the depletion timer is based on the amount left as well as many other variables. I have done my research, many of you are proving my point that you think that it will be one easy transition. Yeah, maybe we'll have nuclear power, but what about all the materials we won't be able to provide ourselves with, as i said, plastic is very important, and without it we will lose many things.

      Oh and Seis, i know how it works, but you seem to be forgetting that it takes millions of years for it to be converted into oil. BUT just to inform, i know many people say, yeah it'll end in 10 years or what not, but i researched my facts and they are fairly accurate figures. I sometimes get the impression that people are very evasive of what will happen. Sure, were living in our comforts now, but it will be a big shock when it does happen to a lot of you who assume that everything will be okay.

      I may sound a bit extreme, but i'm thinking realisticly based on facts and evidence provided. Yes, oil will not completely deplete, but what is left will be too expensive to afford. You can't just drift through life thinking, oh, its not my problem, because IT IS, we are all contributers and it is up to us to help make things better for future generations. Stop being so selfish and think of others for once, because its more than likely that your children will have to make up for our selfish attitude. I know it doesn't apply to all, but i thought i'd get it out there for the sake of those who are selfish.

      Spart - I didn't know that I must admit, thats pretty darn cool! Good for Quebec.
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      Well then who really gives a fuck? And you seem to have ignored that this is a constant process that has bereen going on for 3.8 billion years.

      If it does get ridiculously expensive, oh well. I'll go Hydrogen.

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      I just hate light pollution. Its mostly in the Eastern United States it looks like.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Spartiate View Post
      All of Quebec's electricity is hydroelectric .
      Here in VT, we get most of our electricity from you guys actually. We also have a nuclear plant down south called Vermont Yankee. Vermonters are completely independent of oil as far as electricity is concerned.

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      hmm like i said i think power wise we will go nuclear and green.( probably mainly hydroelectric and solar as i have heard wind power is the least efficient and obviously the least reliable)

      However plastics wise you are right, that's going to be a problem... we learned in biology that there are a few biological plastics that are available, though their quality is lower, cellulose can be made into a plastic like substance.

      Also while we had to do research on sugars i learned that apparantly fructose could be made into a plastic substitute but i can't remember exactly how..

      found it here: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn9440

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      Well Seis, i am aware of the process and how long it has been going on, but it is blatently obvious that you are not ready for these big changes as you seem to ignore all the variables. This is not going to be as simple as switching to a different source as we choose, in fact, unless we find something to replace plastic, we are going to lack some of lifes comforts and essentials. So please, don't say that i have ignored what you said, because i am educated in this area. And for your information, i give a fuck, you may think that just because you'll be dead close enough to when it hits means that you shouldn't contribute to helping this world. Your a contributor to the problems, i'm a contributor to the problems. You just sound like a selfish little boy who thinks that just because life is easy now, it'll be easy in 40 or so years. Think on, take some damn responsibility.

      So please Seis, if you have nothing good to contribute, please don't post in this thread as i don't want this to turn into a raging argument and then have it moved to senseless.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      Well then who really gives a fuck? And you seem to have ignored that this is a constant process that has bereen going on for 3.8 billion years.

      If it does get ridiculously expensive, oh well. I'll go Hydrogen.
      cuddleyperson - I agree with what your saying. I have heard about these different types of plastics, its a substitute, but they would really need to increase the rate of being able to mannufacture it. If you consider how easy and quick it must be to make plastic with automated processes today you can see that we will have to find a quicker way of manufacturing these new plastics. Its a tough one.

      NewScientist is awesome, i get a weekly magazine in the post, if anyone doesn't own a subscription, do buy it, these magazines contain loads of new ideas and concepts as well as breakthroughs, really interesting stuff, i highly recommend them.
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      I can imagine that the picture in the above link in 50 or so years will look much much different, darker, colder and less active.
      you do realize that there are energy sources besides oil? i mean it's not like when we run out of oil people are going to say "Oh, boy we're out of oil, let's go back to living in the stone age"

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pyrofan1 View Post
      you do realize that there are energy sources besides oil? i mean it's not like when we run out of oil people are going to say "Oh, boy we're out of oil, let's go back to living in the stone age"
      Right, i have just about had it now. If you read CAREFULLY you will see that i am making a point about plastic production and how with close to no oil we will in effect lose a lot of our luxuries and maybe even life essentials if you could relate plastic to it, i am sure you could. I KNOW that there are alternate sources of energy, do you think i'm a moron. Even with alternate sources, it is not going to make up for plastic. Well one things for sure, once oil is gone the arabs will most probably revert back to the stone age, so there is some truth in your attempt of an ironic statement.

      This might as well be moved to senseless, will you THINK before you post a reply, read through and then reply instead of assuming that i know nothing about the subject.
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      @LS: There is no way that the earth is "running out of" these natural resources. It is impossible to tell. Sure, maybe the largest, current oil fields "seem" to be "running low" but I still say BS.

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      Sad eh? Too bad it seems like we won't be moving the whole world onto alternative electricity anytime soon [or so it seems with society's general interests/priorities]

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
      Here in VT, we get most of our electricity from you guys actually. We also have a nuclear plant down south called Vermont Yankee. Vermonters are completely independent of oil as far as electricity is concerned.
      Yeah, we make waaay more electricity than we need, most of it is sold to the north-eastern states.

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      My point is that there is no way to tell whether there is more until we find it, so why hold your hopes on something that is not definite, wouldn't it be better to focus on lowering emmisions and making our future better instead of relying on these oil fuels. Not to mention that the burning of oil creates lots of CO2 emmisions which go up into the air and create the greenhouse effect.

      I do not know if you are implying it, but you seem to be quite happy to burn your fossil fuels and rot this earth away in your own comforts and luxuries. Seis, i hope it hits you hard when it does happen because i cannot wait to say i hate to say i told you so. You are a perfect example of what is wrong with this world, your unwilling to make much effort, you will do things only if you can be bothered and you think that issues such as this are not your problem, so why should you do anything about it. Oil supplies ARE running low in the current oil fields, we have drained a lot from this planet already and it is not doing us any good.

      My views on you may be wrong, but i get the impression from your posts. But at the end of the day, it is up to you to take responsibility for your own actions, not me. Plus, do you really think that the arabs just tell us how much is left and we take their word for it? There is obviously checks carried out to see how long the supplies will last, otherwise it would be pretty pointless for scientists to make these estimations would it not?


      And at the end of the day, yes we are running out of natural resources, we always have been, sure, they will be replenished in millions of years, but were here now and currently our supplies are not infinite, there is always a waiting period when it comes to natural resources.

      Quote Originally Posted by Seismosaur View Post
      @LS: There is no way that the earth is "running out of" these natural resources. It is impossible to tell. Sure, maybe the largest, current oil fields "seem" to be "running low" but I still say BS.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker View Post
      My point is that there is no way to tell whether there is more until we find it, so why hold your hopes on something that is not definite, wouldn't it be better to focus on lowering emmisions and making our future better instead of relying on these oil fuels. Not to mention that the burning of oil creates lots of CO2 emmisions which go up into the air and create the greenhouse effect.

      I do not know if you are implying it, but you seem to be quite happy to burn your fossil fuels and rot this earth away in your own comforts and luxuries. Seis, i hope it hits you hard when it does happen because i cannot wait to say i hate to say i told you so. You are a perfect example of what is wrong with this world, your unwilling to make much effort, you will do things only if you can be bothered and you think that issues such as this are not your problem, so why should you do anything about it. Oil supplies ARE running low in the current oil fields, we have drained a lot from this planet already and it is not doing us any good.

      My views on you may be wrong, but i get the impression from your posts. But at the end of the day, it is up to you to take responsibility for your own actions, not me. Plus, do you really think that the arabs just tell us how much is left and we take their word for it? There is obviously checks carried out to see how long the supplies will last, otherwise it would be pretty pointless for scientists to make these estimations would it not?


      And at the end of the day, yes we are running out of natural resources, we always have been, sure, they will be replenished in millions of years, but were here now and currently our supplies are not infinite, there is always a waiting period when it comes to natural resources.
      Interesting...

      You went from:

      Wow, we have almost brightened the whole globe!

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      Oil reserves are running low

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      Plastic is important!

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      Seismosaur is wrong, and I am right.

      Not to mention Global Warming happens anyway, and, by your own arguments, we can't stop using oil and so therefore, you're arguments are all two-faced, unsupported and made to make me wrong.

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      Listen Seis, i know you really want to have the last word, but you once again are seeing everything wrongly. Maybe i was a bit harsh in previous replies, but i'll try and be more civil and explanatory in this reply. Okay,

      "Wow, we have brightened up the whole globe" - I personally think it is impressive to see how far mankind has come, though i may not agree with the methods used to light the planet, i do think that it is in a way a symbol of how far we have come as a civilisation.

      "Oil reserves are running low" - Yes, oil reserves are running low, this has been proven and oil IS running out, there is evidence. Oh, and Seis, there is not an infinite supply of oil if i read your implications correctly. Sure, oil can be made again after millions of years, but that does make it an infinite supply. Say we were to run completely dry of oil, we would have non would we, we would have to wait millions of years to see a fresh supply again, and even then it may not be as much, there are too many factors involved, you cannot say simply that there is a constant and infinite supply, there is always a waiting point, and that therefore does not make it a constant supply.

      "Plastic is Important" - Maybe you misinterpreted what i was saying. Plastic is very important to both the economy and our current society, i am not saying that plastic is what we should use, it is simply more of a necessity currently as their is no true substitute for it.

      "Seis is wrong, and i am right" - I never directly said that did i, there are some parts of my argument that are weak, but i do have my strong points. In this case, your argument is quite weak because evidence does not back up all your implications, for example you seem to think that we are not running out of natural resources, but in reality we will always be running out unless we wait millions of years for a new supply.

      What exactly is two faced about that Seis?


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      Uhh I haven't read all the posts about oil and whatnot but that's an awesome picture. It's cool to see what places are still relatively dark. I thought Australia would have more light than that.. but then again I'm not too familiar with that country's terrain.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      Uhh I haven't read all the posts about oil and whatnot but that's an awesome picture. It's cool to see what places are still relatively dark. I thought Australia would have more light than that.. but then again I'm not too familiar with that country's terrain.
      Australia is like 90% desert and bush which is basically inhospitable. The only main cities are on the east and west coast; and these are sparse as it is; basically it would just be so hard to maintain cities in the bushland and stuff in the center.




      Oh, and there are giant fucking lizards that fuck up the cities cloverfield style.

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      All I said was that it is a recurring cycle that is a constant and has been going on for a few billion years.

      Do you know how much organic material can go into the ground after that long? And you seriously think that humans have used it up in the small amount of time we've been using it in bulk?

      That's all I said. You never said HOW I was wrong just THAT I was wrong.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Carôusoul View Post
      Australia is like 90% desert and bush which is basically inhospitable. The only main cities are on the east and west coast; and these are sparse as it is; basically it would just be so hard to maintain cities in the bushland and stuff in the center.

      Oh, and there are giant fucking lizards that fuck up the cities cloverfield style.
      Ahhh, I see. I suppose they could always put up a bunch of casinos, Las Vegas-style.

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