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      Here's an old Article I wrote, for guys dealing with Fear with Approaching.


      Whenever I have fear about something I take a step back and I ask myself...

      Why am I scared?

      I find another way around it because I know I'm The Alpha, and I shouldn't be scared of something as stupid as the situation that's at hand. So I still do what I am afraid of, but it gets done because I truly want to do what I am scared of and nothing will keep me from doing what I want, especially something as stupid as fear.

      What I do is I analyze why I'm scared and find out if I truly have a reason to fear what I am doing. Ask yourself.

      Can something really harm me physically if I do this?

      If it's yes, maybe you shouldn't be doing it. Or maybe you should, you decide. Realize when gaming girls, there is nothing to be afraid of...and that being afraid is only keeping you back because thousand's of years ago, we had to be. But not anymore.

      Another way I like to look at fear from holding me back from what I want to do is this...

      When I'm older and look back, would I think it's stupidnot doing what I want?

      When fear is in front of me, I don't let it get to me. I take a step back, and say to myself...

      " I want an exciting, exhilarating, fun, do what I want life, and fear won't stop me. "

      And I go and do what I am afraid of.

      Fear shouldn't stop you, next time you are afraid of something, whether it be approaching or something else. Ask yourself these 4 questions.

      Why am I experiencing this fear?

      Will this cause physical harm to me?

      Will not facing this fear give me the life I strive for?

      Will it stop me from achieving a goal I am trying to reach?


      Be honest with yourself, and don't make excuses. Once you find your answers, realize the truth, and the truth is that there's no reason to be afraid.


      When fear is staring you in the face, stare right back, and walk right through it..


      -Jorge

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      Quote Originally Posted by AmazeO XD View Post
      You know what ALWAYS works?

      The "do I know you from somewhere" line. Man it works like a fucking charm. Only if you're in highschool or college though.

      Simple.

      It doesn't matter if the girl is in the mall, at the library, or even at work. I've used it all over the place. In fact, I just used it at some chick who worked at Chipotle. It was quite nice.

      It goes a little something like this.

      Girl: *is looking rather attractive*
      Yourself: Hey, you look familiar. Is your name *insert random name*?
      Girl: *confused*... No.
      Yourself: *slightly questionable* Do you go to *insert local highschool/college*?
      Girl: Yes.
      Yourself: Okay, crap. I know this girl who looks exactly like you, but I don't know her too well. I know some people from *insert previously stated school*, though. Who do you hang out with?
      Girl: *girl talks about several people*
      Yourself: *if you know stated people, continue normal conversation, if not, continue random conversation*.

      You're in like a pin.

      It just takes common ground to start a conversation, when you don't know anyone at all.
      Hey, yeah! That's worked for me in the past quite a few times.

      And good advice on fear, that could apply in other places too. Especially for people like me who have trouble deciding things.

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      Quote Originally Posted by suttsman View Post
      Hey, yeah! That's worked for me in the past quite a few times.

      And good advice on fear, that could apply in other places too. Especially for people like me who have trouble deciding things.



      Exactly I forgot to mention, this will work universaly. Anywhere anytime, not just with approaching women.

      Thanks bro.

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      Hey guys, I'm back. Feels good man
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      Go into a bar, make sure there's no one there you know. Go up to women (make sure there's no guys around who could be their boyfriends) just grunt "sex" and if it works you got it, if not just keep trying.

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      How do you pick up a girl if you don't speak the native language very well and usually can't understand what she's saying?

      This guy, Marcelo, told me in Argentina your just supposed to touch and not give a fuck about talking... I think that's what he said. I don't know, I honestly have no idea how to make a girl comfortable enough to sleep with me when I can't communicate with her.

      Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.


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      Quote Originally Posted by hungrymanz View Post
      Go into a bar, make sure there's no one there you know. Go up to women (make sure there's no guys around who could be their boyfriends) just grunt "sex" and if it works you got it, if not just keep trying.
      Hey I use this too, I got it to work on Ashley Tisdale

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
      Exactly I forgot to mention, this will work universaly. Anywhere anytime, not just with approaching women.

      Thanks bro.
      He "forgot to mention it".

      No really. You're the kind of guy who makes it seem so hard.

      There is no "I'm trying to teach you how to pick up three girls at the mall."

      That's not teaching someone to ignore their insecurities, it's teaching manipulation.

      That's not cool.
      You do this every fucking time.
      No sweat.
      No tears.
      No guilt.
      You do this every fucking time.


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      I'm not going to argue with you, I am glad you wanted to help that's great. I'm helping them fix there insecurities. Why is it that you think I'm maniuplating? My post and articles are nothing but help. That's all I'm trying to get across.


      I do not teach maniuplation in anyway. I teach improvement.


      And I'm trying to have him improve from his insecurities by him focusing on why he's truly scared, which is why I have the person ask themselves the questijon.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
      I'm not going to argue with you, I am glad you wanted to help that's great. I'm helping them fix there insecurities. Why is it that you think I'm maniuplating? My post and articles are nothing but help. That's all I'm trying to get across.


      I do not teach maniuplation in anyway. I teach improvement.


      And I'm trying to have him improve from his insecurities by him focusing on why he's truly scared, which is why I have the person ask themselves the questijon.
      In your statement, you said... "Can you go to a mall and pick up 3 girls? That's what I'm trying to teach here."

      And that's not what you should be teaching. Manipulating girls is not a good thing to teach. If you want to end up like some fucking man-whore who has a bunch of STD's and doesn't really give a damn about a girl and any insecurities SHE has, then it would be okay to teach that. But it's not.

      Most of the guys who have insecurities about talking to girls is a much bigger problem than "Putting the pussy on a pedestal."

      Much bigger problems.
      You do this every fucking time.
      No sweat.
      No tears.
      No guilt.
      You do this every fucking time.


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      Quote Originally Posted by AmazeO XD View Post
      In your statement, you said... "Can you go to a mall and pick up 3 girls? That's what I'm trying to teach here."

      And that's not what you should be teaching. Manipulating girls is not a good thing to teach. If you want to end up like some fucking man-whore who has a bunch of STD's and doesn't really give a damn about a girl and any insecurities SHE has, then it would be okay to teach that. But it's not.

      Most of the guys who have insecurities about talking to girls is a much bigger problem than "Putting the pussy on a pedestal."

      Much bigger problems.




      If that's what you believe you are far off from where I truly am. I am not teaching these men to become a man-whore and not give a shit about women. No! That is not what I am teaching them, I am teaching them how they can get a woman they want. It's on them to do what they want with the information they receive. If it's in there character, the will use this information abusively.

      And if an idiot doesn't know what a condom is, then he will be " A man-whore with a bunch of std's " I am not teaching that are you? You need to understand what I am trying to get across.

      I am teaching them to become a better man. A man that doesn't even need to worry about women in his life. Becaues he can go and get one when he wants. I am not teaching a guy to treat girls like shit, not care about them, or there insecurities. I have no idea why you think I'm doing that.

      Seems to me your assuming, don't assume if you don't know all the facts.

      If you don't like what I teach here, then you don't need to be here.

      Nobody's manipulating except for telling people what "you" think I am teaching.

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      Well there's this girl who I am interested in, but I have never spoken to her, and I changed schools before I worked up the courage. I almost worked up the courage, but I just couldn't handle the pressure due to the fact I had been informed it was only 3 days before I changed schools. I'm friends with her brother who is two years older than both of us and a senior. Any advice as to how I should go about making contact? The only two ways I can think of are running into her if I visit her brother or making friends with her friends who are my acquaintances.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Black_Eagle View Post
      Well there's this girl who I am interested in, but I have never spoken to her, and I changed schools before I worked up the courage. I almost worked up the courage, but I just couldn't handle the pressure due to the fact I had been informed it was only 3 days before I changed schools. I'm friends with her brother who is two years older than both of us and a senior. Any advice as to how I should go about making contact? The only two ways I can think of are running into her if I visit her brother or making friends with her friends who are my acquaintances.



      You have never spoken to her? Good. You have better chances than the rest of the guys here. Because...

      A. you are not her friend and
      B. she has no idea how you are and what you are bringing to the table as you go and work your magic on her.




      Ok I'm going to tell you this, you expect the girl to have the whole package. So that means "you" must have the whole package as well. You must know how to lead a conversation so you can show her that "you" are the man she desires.

      I'll tell you right now, a woman wants a man who is a Real Man, a man who is not scared of anything, a man who strives to achieve his life's goal. A man who is living life on his own terms. A man who is outgoing, and a guy that can make any boring situation into a fun one.

      Are you that guy?

      If yes then congratulations you are that much closer to having this girl have massive attraction towards you.

      If not, then you must work on yourself first. You must first have the whole package yourself. I believe you can achieve this if you put effort into your character and become a real man.

      I am here for you whenever you feel you can't pass an obsticale whether it's Internal or External. Whatever you have a problem with I will help you out dude, that's why I am here. I want you to become the "Whole Package" women want. So I will teach you to become just that. So the question is..



      Are you ready to become a man that a women desires?
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      Jorge's advice is sound and I think the hostility towards him and his method comes from overwhelming pressure to conform to feminist ideals as well as a complete misunderstanding of what he is trying to communicate.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ward View Post
      Jorge's advice is sound and I think the hostility towards him and his method comes from overwhelming pressure to conform to feminist ideals as well as a complete misunderstanding of what he is trying to communicate.
      Or, more likely, they're just trolling.

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      I've cleaned up this thread and split off the unnecessary posts at the request of the original poster. Please try to stay on-topic from now on. Any further smart-ass posts or attempts to derail this thread will be considered trolling, which is against the rules of this forum and will recieve appropriate action.

      Thank you, and carry on.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
      I'll tell you right now, a woman wants a man who is a Real Man, a man who is not scared of anything, a man who strives to achieve his life's goal. A man who is living life on his own terms. A man who is outgoing, and a guy that can make any boring situation into a fun one.
      Well, I'm not afraid of many things, I do have great ambitions, and I do live life on my own terms (it was my decision to change schools for my own reasons despite the fact that all my friends were still at my old school). I do not think I am very outgoing, however. I do feel I am quite an enjoyable person when I'm around people I'm comfortable with, but I'm not comfortable with too many people at once. Looks like I've got some working to do. Heck, I've got 2 4/6 years of highschool left, I can do it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Man of Steel View Post
      I've cleaned up this thread and split off the unnecessary posts at the request of the original poster. Please try to stay on-topic from now on. Any further smart-ass posts or attempts to derail this thread will be considered trolling, which is against the rules of this forum and will recieve appropriate action.

      Thank you, and carry on.
      Aww you're like Superman. You saved this thread from destruction!

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      Why don't you also do something about Ward. Dupe accounts are also against the rules.

      Quote Originally Posted by Ward View Post
      Jorge's advice is sound and I think the hostility towards him and his method comes from overwhelming pressure to conform to feminist ideals
      Feminist ideals? What what? Do you understand what feminism is?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jorge View Post
      Yeah I used to to think like that too bro, but look at it this way. Let's say this girl, that's all in your head. All your focus is on her, is all her focus on you? Is she really thinking about you just as much as you are her?

      Showing too much interest to a girl when she isn't matching your level of interest your displaying, then you are in for problems.

      Say this girl is a really good looking one. She's had guys compliment her all the time. She know's she's goodlooking. Almost all the guys have told her "lets go to dinner" or "lets go to the movies" doing this is not only predicatble but boring! I'm not saying you do that, but have you ever?

      You must be that fun, outgoing, guy that the girls will love. Don't be like everyone else and do the predicable things everybody does.

      If you think this information is too much, then I wish you bro's luck. If you ever need help, just PM me.


      goodluck
      But that's the risk you gotta take dude! Otherwise you'll go through a very lonely life and end up on your own. I don't know, some guys prefer to play girls, I prefer to be with them...

      What it sounds like to be is you've been crushed by a girl before and are not prepared to take another risk so by moving around them a lot, you cannot get hurt again...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
      But that's the risk you gotta take dude! Otherwise you'll go through a very lonely life and end up on your own. I don't know, some guys prefer to play girls, I prefer to be with them...

      What it sounds like to be is you've been crushed by a girl before and are not prepared to take another risk so by moving around them a lot, you cannot get hurt again...
      What Jorge is saying is that you aren't going to spark interest doing what everyone else does. If you want the girl, she is going to have to be attracted to YOU also. He is giving men methods of sparking that attraction. Girls are generally turned off by guys that seem too dependent and needy.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Black_Eagle View Post
      What Jorge is saying is that you aren't going to spark interest doing what everyone else does. If you want the girl, she is going to have to be attracted to YOU also. He is giving men methods of sparking that attraction. Girls are generally turned off by guys that seem too dependent and needy.
      Really, because talk of playing girls etc comes off a little differently to me..

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      Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
      Really, because talk of playing girls etc comes off a little differently to me..
      It isn't talk of playing girls. It is talk of getting girls in the first place. Playing involves deception and multiple partners.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Black_Eagle View Post
      It isn't talk of playing girls. It is talk of getting girls in the first place. Playing involves deception and multiple partners.
      While I'm not a fan of deception, I have been decieved many times by women. Multiple partners huh, I have no problems in my mind with having multiple partners as long as: I'm doing it in a way where all of them know about eachother, theres no promises of commitment of any kind, and finally they can see whoever they want as well.
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      Im going to settle this right now. There's a difference between a "Player" and a "Pick Up Artist"

      I am not trying to get you to be a pick up artist. I am tyring to teach you how to be a player and find the right woman that is most appealing to you. The word player is taken in different ways by different people. Adam, I am not telling you to play girls. But to play the dating game, that is what dating is about really, it's like a game. You need to play it right to find a true quality girl with beautiful looks that will fill your every need.

      Here's an Article, my close Mentor Wrote me, his name is " The Player " in another advance forums on this same subject. Carefully read this article and what is explains:


      Many people are confused as to what a player actually is, and how a real player should conduct him/her self. I do NOT believe that there are two different groups of people in the dating game, the players and the haters. I believe there are three groups:

      The players, the watchers, and the confused. The players are those who are actively participating in the dating game. Some may be seasoned players and some many be new to the game, but EVERYONE who is dating people on any sort of level is a player (besides people involved in long term relationships).

      The watchers are those who do not participate in the dating game, some may try once in a while while others would never even think about it. These watchers are scared to become players because of a wide range of reasons, the most common being: shyness, fear of rejection, low self esteem, and lack of confidence. If you fit into the watchers group then your in luck, I'm currently in the process of writing an article that will help you boost your confidence and get over your fears, it should be finished and featured on the website in less than a week.

      Now on to the last group, the confused. These are those who would commonly be referred to as the "haters". These confused folks will sit around feeling sorry for themselves and throw the blame on other people while their problem actually lies in their own inability to understand how the dating game works, and what the overall purpose of the game is. Yes, I will admit that there are a few "bad apples" out there, and that some players have only bad intentions. However, if you look at us players as a whole, we are simply searching for the person that is right for us, and that my friends is the purpose of the dating game.

      The process that we must go through in order to find Mrs/Mr right is called trial and error, and this is where things tend to get a bit ugly. We must try different people to find out who we enjoy the most and who we are compatible with. If you realize that the current person you are dating is not "the one", then you have the right to get rid of them whether they like it or not, because this is the way that the game of love works. Look at it this way, if you try a shirt on in a department store and it does not fit, you have the right to put it back, and this works the same way because we are, in essence, shopping for our lifetime partner.

      One of the major issues players are faced with is when women complain about us not wanting anything to do with them after having sex. Our acting in this fashion could be for any of a wide range of reasons, but all point to the simple fact... she is not "the one". It could be that she was bad in bed, too easy to get into bed, or ANY other reason. It does not matter what it was because now that it has been imprinted on your mind, she could never be "the one", and it is not your fault. You don't have the power to erase from your memory this bad experience that you subconsciously relate her to, and she needs to understand that fact and quit acting so selfishly. Yes I said SELFISH.

      Think about it, just because she believes that you are her "one and only" means that you should stay with her when you know for a fact that she is not the one for you? She must be out of her mind! Tell her "This works both ways or it does not work at all, honey".

      However, I can see why many men are wrong and women have the right to be angry. It's the lying, and it has to stop. If you tell a woman that you want to be with her or that you love her just to get in her pants then your not a player, your a liar. Real players never lie because we don't have to, there are many ways to get around saying something that you don't mean by changing the subject or giving a well-directed compliment, which will get you exactly what you want also. I like to call that the "all natural" approach, because it works... but without the side effects.

      Player or Pick Up Artist

      Many people get players confused with pick up artists... while they are two totally different things, allow me to explain :

      Player - A player is someone with an active dating life that is appealing to just about anyone of the opposite sex. These people always make all of the right moves because they have practiced and perfected their skills by teaching themselves to never make any of the wrong ones. Players learn from various sources, but the majority of what they learn comes from the actual experience that they get by using this knowledge in real life situations. Whether a player chooses to use his skills to date multiple women at once or cheat on his partner is his own choice... there are always "bad apples". The fact that he is labeled as a player simply means that he has the ability to pick up just about any women, it does not necessarily mean that this is what he does. A real player has a sense of honer and morals, meaning that he would rather use actual SKILL to pick up women than trickery and shady tactics... why pretend when you are the real deal? Players have genuine confidence.

      Pick Up Artist - Similar to con artist, but instead of stealing money... they are stealing dates. The pick up artist is the type of guy that will always fall for the next "get rich quick" scam, as he is always looking for the fast and easy way to solving his problems. Pick up artists on average know about 50 times more about picking up women than players do, but how much out of this information that they know is actually useful... is questionable. In turn, pick up artists have about 50 times less experience at picking up women than players do, simply because they spend too much of their time learning by reading and not enough time learning "hands on". Just like players, pick up artists are much better than the average man at picking up women, this is because the average man has neither the knowledge OR the experience, while a pick up artist has immense knowledge... but again, this knowledge is still questionable because it is rarely used. Pick up artists typically make up for this lack in skill with what you can call "cheats" in which they will lie, trick, degrade, make fun of or even attempt to hypnotize women into liking them. Pick up artists have no sense of honer or morals, as they only seem to thrive when they succeed at making a woman feel bad enough about herself so much that they bring her down to their low level, making her think "Hey maybe I'm not too good for this nerd after all". Pick up artists have false confidence.

      Maybe you are one, maybe the other... or perhaps you are somewhere in between. The choice is yours.



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