Thread: thoughts on the election.

Aye, when not 60 years ago if a black person wanted to RIDE A BUS TO WORK they would get berated and ATTACKED BY DOGS AND FIRE HOSES.

They weren't even allowed to use the same water fountains. In most places the white's used water would be put into the "colored" fountain to use. Could you imagine? Being thirsty and being subjected to drinking the slobbery run-off of another person for fear of either dying of thirst or going to jail?

And now, in the same lifetime of many of the people that fought against that oppression, many of which never imagined they'd live to see it... a BLACK MAN IS THE NEXT LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD!

It's fucking huge, you can't overlook it. It speaks volumes for how far we as a country have come, but the fact that we still have to even mention his race speaks volumes as to how far as a country we still have to go.

Yes it sucks that many people voted purely because he is black, but that wasn't nearly the deciding factor.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

It's fucking huge, you can't overlook it. It speaks volumes for how far we as a country have come, but the fact that we still have to even mention his race speaks volumes as to how far as a country we still have to go.

Very well said.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Let me put it this way:

The american idiots people elected Barack Obama. If goes in, and the country crashes and burns, then it is the american people's fault, the people who voted for him, who had the power to choose, for the failing of the country.

See what I mean? The majority should get the blame.

I hate to break it to you, but no matter which schmuck had inherited responsibility, we'd still be in for a long downward slope. I've seen the media using the crashing plane analogy for awhile, well this is like one pilot pushing the stick all the way forward and then saying "here someone take over" 30 seconds before we hit the ground. No matter how hard the the next guy pulls up, we are still in for one hell of a bump.

I'm pretty sure a lot of republicans are happy to be getting out of the spot light for the next few months, and I'm sure at least some part of McCain is happy to be able to be the one to point fingers instead of the one to take responsibility for what happens next.

Very true but I, for one, am taking that fact into consideration of what happens next.
He does have a tough job on his hands, but I appreciate his approach to it so far

I think...... its going to be an interesting 4 years, and i hope to god nothing happens to him cause Bidens a waste of space.

Originally Posted by Brainchild

Thank you for exposing Sandform's racism-disguised-as-psuedo-intellectualism. He's getting notorious for that.

THIS IS FOR THOSE OTHER "CONCERNED" AMERICANS:
It's the dawn of Obama's presidency. HE WON. GET OVER IT.

MOD EDIT: Please do NOT insult/disrespect other members. That goes for you too, Brainchild
I'm not racist. I just think that it is belittling to say to people it is amazing that a black person won.

As for Oneiron.

I'm not attributing the majority of the vote to his race or McCain's age, though you are completely incorrect if you don't think race was not a deciding factor in many states, I'm attributing it to the fact that people didn't want another republican in office simply because they think the last republican who was in office screwed things up.

McCains age is only relevant because of who is V.P. was.


You people seem to think I'm saying him being the first black president isn't a cool thing, no it is great, what I'm saying is that to say that "oh wow we are progressing" is part of what keeps us from making progress faster. It is worth a foot note, but it is just stupid for people to say "oh joy we are progressing so much from our old ways."

A black person and in the white house shouldn't be an achievement, it should just be what happened. The fact that he is black should mean literally nothing to any one. This is how things are supposed to be able to work. You don't say hurray for getting what you deserve...

When people act based on reason and empathy, you don't say wow that is amazing, you say that is good, that is the way things should work, and I'm going to MOVE ON with my life.

When people act the way they are SUPPOSED to, you don't say it is great how we don't hang niggars these days aint it pa? No you say it is messed up that people lynched black people, it was fucking wrong and isn't how things are supposed to be.

I realize that to many people it is a big thing. "Yes we can." Etc. But my point is that if you are at a point where you still say thanks as if you don't deserve to get what it is, then you are the one who is being racist, not me.

By saying things like Obama being the first black president is amazing, you're saying ok continue to do wrong to me, continue to be racist, I'm perfectly content to continue to be under your reign because every little scrap of equality you give me makes me happy.

Originally Posted by Sandform

MOD EDIT: Please do NOT insult/disrespect other members. That goes for you too, Brainchild
I'm not racist. I just think that it is belittling to say to people it is amazing that a black person won.

As for Oneiron.

I'm not attributing the majority of the vote to his race or McCain's age, though you are completely incorrect if you don't think race was not a deciding factor in many states, I'm attributing it to the fact that people didn't want another republican in office simply because they think the last republican who was in office screwed things up.

McCains age is only relevant because of who is V.P. was.


You people seem to think I'm saying him being the first black president isn't a cool thing, no it is great, what I'm saying is that to say that "oh wow we are progressing" is part of what keeps us from making progress faster. It is worth a foot note, but it is just stupid for people to say "oh joy we are progressing so much from our old ways."

A black person and in the white house shouldn't be an achievement, it should just be what happened. The fact that he is black should mean literally nothing to any one. This is how things are supposed to be able to work. You don't say hurray for getting what you deserve...

When people act based on reason and empathy, you don't say wow that is amazing, you say that is good, that is the way things should work, and I'm going to MOVE ON with my life.

When people act the way they are SUPPOSED to, you don't say it is great how we don't hang niggars these days aint it pa? No you say it is messed up that people lynched black people, it was fucking wrong and isn't how things are supposed to be.

I realize that to many people it is a big thing. "Yes we can." Etc. But my point is that if you are at a point where you still say thanks as if you don't deserve to get what it is, then you are the one who is being racist, not me.

By saying things like Obama being the first black president is amazing, you're saying ok continue to do wrong to me, continue to be racist, I'm perfectly content to continue to be under your reign because every little scrap of equality you give me makes me happy.

I'm sorry, Sanform, but that makes absolutely no sense, to me. "No sense" as in "none, whatsoever." For you to say that black people can't be moved, even to tears, because of such a cultural mileston - and calling them racists for doing so - is completely asinine (IMHO). I honestly can't even see how you've worked out that logic. Hell, there are plenty of white people who are just as elated about what having a black president actually means in this country, in terms of race relations. You speak as if it's only black people who are celebratory of it. That, in itself, seems a little ignorant to me.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I just don't think it makes a bit of sense.

What I see Sandform saying, at least in part, is the point at which we give away our prejudices is the point that we don't care one way or another about a president's race.

But on the other hand, we aren't there yet and recognizing this as a step is totally reasonable, since we can't magically turn into a tolerant color-blind country.

Originally Posted by spockman

None of the candidates were going to magically solve all of our problems or inspire unprecedented change in Washington.

After Obama's term is up, the country will look similar to how it would have looked if McCain spent those same years in office.

Now, Obama is POTUS and a certian amount of dignity comes with that title and I feel I owe him respect as a patriot to the commander and cheif no matter how much I disagree with him politically, (as long as he upholds our rights.)

So, good job Obama. We will not have four years of hell set upon us because your in office, nor will we have a massive stirring up in Washington over how things have been done for generations.

thanx for bringing that up. because you are right. if obama can't fix our problems, then he will be blamed. same with mccain. i just hope that he pulls through, because although i wouldn't have voted for him, he is the leader of our country...

Originally Posted by Sandform

It really makes me sick to think that the first thing people think about is either A. Damn that black guy, or B. Good for him! Being black and still getting elected.

I was hoping Obama would win, half heartedly. I would have been slightly depressed if McCain won, but I don't find McCain to be worse than Obama is it is just a few, though very large, differences in what their agenda seems to be to me. At the end of the day I despise that Obama has won. Not because Obama is black, not because I didn't want him to win, but because I know it is only because of two reasons.

1. People were afraid McCain would kill over after the first month of his presidency, and then Palin would be president.

2. All the black people that never show up to vote? Yeah, they showed up to vote for him just because he was black.

Did Obama win based on merit or based on his ethnicity? I suppose we'll never know...but really I can't imagine how it could not be the second.

Obama didn't win because he was black. And black people did NOT vote for him because he was black. Black people (as a majority) were STILL supporting hillary before most of them shifted to Obama. And as Chris Rock stated..."Flavor Flav is black...that doesn't mean I'd vote for him."

I have something similar to say...Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are black...and I'd never vote for them to become president. So yeah, in yo face beotch.

And while I still think Sandy is a closet racist, I can see where he's coming from in the sense that I understand his view point. Not in the sense that I agree with him.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I'm getting pissed, being in Argentina people are saying things like "Oh hey your country finally didn't vote like a bunch of idiots."

1. We're not the borg, people have their own opinions here

2. Obama isn't much better than McCain

3. They cheated last time, I think they cheated for Obama this time.

I like the Argentinian's mindset. Because Deus...they are absolutely right.

Originally Posted by L

Now the racism, will take its place. Americans are not ready for a BLack president, because they are toooo ignorant with too many racist, it will be seen in the public soon, when black ppl will over react on their victory.

Hey genius, it's a victory for all of us...and I seriously doubt the tensions would increase because you forget...OBAMA WOULDN'T BE THE PRESIDENT ELECT HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE MAJORITY OF WHITE VOTES. Blacks are STILL a minority in this country...whites got him to the white house smart man.

Originally Posted by L

The whole Europe is now watching and laughing, while Africa is crying out loud with happiness.

Are you some kind of basement hermit who still believes it's 1856 or something? Like seriously...what does the country of Africa have to do with him being elected to the US presidency? And furthermore why do you assume the billions of people in Europe are laughing at Obama? Last time I checked...the whole fucking world was cheering and screaming Obama's name. Spain, Japan, Germany, Kenya, Europe etc. to name a few where hundreds of thousands of people showed up with PrObama signs.

Look what was sculpted on a beach in Spain...

Originally Posted by L

America is in trouble economically and militarily, and now they have another huge issue that is racism.

Yeah um...like because racism is this "new" thing in America. Seriously dude...get over yourself. I think black people will take more pride in their color and start achieving more gauging Obama as a pinnacle of success for their race and all people of color. Besides...need I remind you that whites made up a majority of the vote in this election? The only places I could see your statement carrying any weight would be the south since it turned out red in this election.

Originally Posted by L

I dont know a bigger problem than racism in USA. High schools and work places will be filled with racism.

Once again I doubt it. At least not in the northern states. Most white people love Obama like they love Tiger Woods. And for the record...Obama was NOT running for president as an african american, he was an african american running for president. I don't foresee America regressing in terms of racial tolerance. The mere fact that a black man became president shows that the racial divide IS shrinking.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

And while I still think Sandy is a closet racist, I can see where he's coming from in the sense that I understand his view point. Not in the sense that I agree with him.

I'm not a closet racist, I just think it is fucked up to sit here and say THANK YOU America for losing your racism. You wouldn't say thank you if someone used to cut off people's thumbs and then one day decided not to.



I just think that you aren't supposed to be grateful that you finally get what you deserve...if anything you should be pissed of that there are some people who still don't want people to get what they deserve.

In case anyone hasn't said this yet...

HE'S NOT BLACK! He's multi-racial! Not only that, he seems to have had a predominantly white upbringing.

Of course, would the minority voters have come out for his support had he not been marketed as a "black candidate"? Shhhh... shut up joe - the idiots overseas will hate us again. Gotta hand it to his campaign team, well, the media really, who are the true force behind doing everything but declaring him a saint (which, give it a few years, could happen).

Don't go thinking I'm a hater, I just hate ignorance. Everyone around the world seems to think that we all did this wonderful thing, this HUGE leap by voting for a "black" guy. "Oh, congratulations Americans, you're over your racism". Pffftt! He was simply just another candidate, like all previous candidates; the 'better of the two evils'. When it comes to evils, he was up against Beelzebub's first cousin, if you ask me. I think my dog could have won THIS election. Let us not also forget he was up agains a war pusher during a time of two unpopular wars and an economy on life support. Howz it go, "gotta break some eggs to make the omelette"? The "silver linning" in this story?

I do thank the powers that be (the people) that this was at LEAST a slaughter, and not a close election. That would have sucked. I'm also glad to hear that, somehow, Americans are being respected around the world a little bit more.

For those dying to find out who I voted for, I give you only a hint... (neither of the major parties)

I don't think very many people voted for him because he was black. I certainly voted for him because of his universal health care plan and Biden's foreign policy experience. He just happened to be black, which is why I think it's a big deal.

Jeff: People care about US elections because it affect the world when a douche like Bush starts wars that aren't commonly accepted as unavoidable

Tornado: Thanks for bringing that up. It's actually been grating on me too... Obama is not black dammit!
However, that said, I think it's a good thing that people are doing this... black people & countries feel that a black dude was elected, whites feel that it's not really a black guy after all (and he's less radical than the previous ones), and other countries just appreciate his multi-dimensional background

Originally Posted by Sandform

I'm not a closet racist, I just think it is fucked up to sit here and say THANK YOU America for losing your racism. You wouldn't say thank you if someone used to cut off people's thumbs and then one day decided not to.



I just think that you aren't supposed to be grateful that you finally get what you deserve...if anything you should be pissed of that there are some people who still don't want people to get what they deserve.

That sounds really bitter and counter-productive to me.

Life is not perfect. Nobody is perfect. There ARE some people who still don't want people to get what they deserve. Get over it, and be grateful that we've at least come this far. We should acknowledge the progress and hope for the future that this represents.

Besides, being that much of the world outside our little bubble called America is considerably more observant, active and intelligent than us (especially Europe), I think they're all so happy that we FINALLY have elected someone who has a brain and makes sense when he talks, and isn't some thoughtless, war-mongering, oil-pumping, d*ck-swinging degenerate. Now they can actually talk to an educated human being who is willing to help and cooperate with others. That's what the world appreciates most. No matter how much it really does depend on race, we're all in too big of a crisis to be that small-minded.

Would the world be so happy in this horrible state we're in if we gave Snoop Dogg the keys to the White House? I think not. The world sees something in Obama's character and what he stands for that transcends his race, so quit discrediting it with your pessimistic ignorance.

Besides, Obama isn't black
But please guys, can we tone it down a bit?
Try not get too riled up, it's just the internet as usual - not worth it

Originally Posted by spockman

What I see Sandform saying, at least in part, is the point at which we give away our prejudices is the point that we don't care one way or another about a president's race.

But on the other hand, we aren't there yet and recognizing this as a step is totally reasonable, since we can't magically turn into a tolerant color-blind country.

yea yea:bravo::bravo::bravo:

Its so easy to detect the avg. Mccains supporters:
1- They are afraid of Obama and socialism ideals
2- He won just because hes black
3- Sarah Palin is smart
4- Fox News is the best news channel

All I can say is that the whole world is cheering for obama.

Originally Posted by spockman

Now, Obama is POTUS and a certian amount of dignity comes with that title and I feel I owe him respect as a patriot to the commander and cheif no matter how much I disagree with him politically, (as long as he upholds our rights.)

My thoughts exactly.

I'm still worried about what the next four years will bring, but then again no matter who was elected I would still feel worried. I just can't wait for the President Elect to take office so we can see what he's made of.

Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

I just can't wait for the President Elect to take office so we can see what he's made of.

Me neither. I think he'll be a great president, but even if he turns out to be a complete douchebag, it's still an upgrade. My dog is smarter than the current president.

For those saying race wasn't a factor,



Clearly the majority of the white US population are still one hell of a lot dumber than the black/hispanic/latino electorate. Thankfully it's not up to them, eh?

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

That sounds really bitter and counter-productive to me.

That is funny because I think your position on how it should be handled is counter productive.

If you pretend to be satisfied with getting bits here and there then you are basically saying, yes please take as SLOW as you possible can to do what is morally right.

Originally Posted by Placebo

whites feel that it's not really a black guy after all

Er...what white people do you know that feel that way? Besides, imo that statement implies that whites don't think a pure black guy is worthy to be president. At any rate...if we were to go by the "one drop rule", then Obama is a black man. Hell the guy had an afro as a teenager for crying out loud . Nevertheless, I agree...though I don't like the "one drop rule" Obama is essentially half black and half white making him Mulatto. But by America's standards and viewpoints, he is...black.

Originally Posted by Brainchild

I AM REMOVING MYSELF FROM THIS BACKWARDS WEBSITE AS I REFUSE TO BE MODERATED AND CENSORED FOR MAKING A VALID COMMENT. THIS WAS MY COMMENT:

"Thank you for exposing Sandform's racism-disguised-as-psuedo-intellectualism. He's getting notorious for that.

THIS IS FOR THOSE OTHER "CONCERNED" AMERICANS:
It's the dawn of Obama's presidency. HE WON. GET OVER IT."

IT'S A DAMN SHAME WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN ASSOCIATE WITH SUPPOSED INTELLECTUALS WITHOUT RUNNING INTO THE GOOD-OLE-BOY NETWORK. PLACEBO, KEEP ON BLOCKING OUT THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU AND YOUR LIKE. THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO SUFFER THROUGH SOMEONE CALLING YOU AND BOY OUT ON YOUR 18TH CENTURY MINDSET.

I HOPE VIRUSES RAPE YOUR SERVERS WITH THE FORCE OF A STEEL ROD.

I honestly can't see what it was that some people just didn't like about Obama's plans...all of them are pretty sound and most will benefit Us, The People, at least in the short-run. With him, our relationship with the other countries of the world will be a lot less tense (how could they NOT be, when international polls show that the rest of the world leaders, Iraq's included, want Obama?). Plus, his victory has instilled hope and the belief that "you can do anything you set your mind to if you at least try" in millions of black youths all over. I can't see how any of this is a bad thing.

Although from the start I said "There's just an inherently evil look about his face", I don't really think McCain would have been much worse or better than Obama - although I didn't agree with his views on foreign affairs, the rest of his plans were pretty sound, I'm forced to admit.

The only thing I would have been dismayed about, had he been elected, is that if he had died while in office, Palin would have become president. And McCain was jabbing at Obama's lack of experience during the Presidential Debates...yeesh. Clinton would definitely have made a better "first woman president" anyway.