Barack Obama ftw...
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Barack Obama ftw...
what do you think?
I think Mcain jjust got his ass handed to him on a golden platter (via Obama)
In your faces, republicans.
I think that (provided we are able to take any politician at their word), the country is headed in a good direction - economically and, most importantly, psychologically.
Yes, definitely good direction. As long as we keep it real. :?
i was quite scared for a second there. still am honestly, but i believe things are looking up. Confidence + Money = Growth = Non-dying economy. I think America is happy tonight. i think this is what we need. for our nation to say, "hey things are okay" like we did in the 90's.
Very inspirational. To me it shows that a person can do whatever they want, despite adversity and their upbringing. I'm sad to see that Obama's grandmother didn't survive to see her grandson become the president elect, but I'm glad that she was able to vote for him. I'm sure it was something that she never thought that she would be able to do.
It's a true milestone for the thing that I believe the most that all men and women are created equal and no longer can someone say that because of their race that they can't aspire to anything. I believe that this will also migrate to religion (or lack there of) or upbringing, or how much money they were born into
The american dream is alive and embodied by president elect Barack Obama.
We're all fucked.
The democrats in washington have done damage for the last eight-ten years, and now a Democratic president to help out?
Fixed. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
And 'everyone', in this case, was the democrats.
The president is not a dictator. He is not evern a chancellor or prime minister, much less a kanzler like most people think. When that office clashes with congress, they usually don't get their way. When they don't get much friction from congress, then they get their way.
As I said; we're all fucked.
Ah. So, basically the President and his cronies are excused from blame, because the democratic congress was supposed to check them? :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
I guess I don't see it the way you do. I say they are both at fault.
Let me put it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
The americanidiotspeople elected Barack Obama. If goes in, and the country crashes and burns, then it is the american people's fault, the people who voted for him, who had the power to choose, for the failing of the country.
See what I mean? The majority should get the blame.
No. If he did all that he professed he would do, and suckered the American people into a vote, then drove the country into the ground, it is just as much his fault as the people who voted for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
If I spend hours upon hours galvanizing my people into war, giving them something they can believe in, propagandizing the entire issue to the point where I had them practically eating out of my hands...and then I completely fuck them over...sure, it's partly their fault for being so gullible, but I'm the asshole who set out to deceive them.
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Dear World,
We hope you accept this as our apology
-The United States
*Moved to the Lounge*
LMFAO. FOXNews's Britt Hume sounds so solemn, as he's reporting. The man's speech has been done for 2 minutes, and Britt is already talking about "Well...there he goes...moving the crowd with all of his soaring rhetoric and music. They spent a lot of money on this campaign..." blah blah. He sounds like the popular guy in school just ran off with his girlfriend. Lol.
XD O. I heard it as well. :lol:
I agree with Ninja. It's been very inspirational..though we have a long journey ahead of us. I think we are headed in a positive direction.
Also - http://lunar-light.org/forum/Smileys...ananadance.gif
I congratulate President elect Obama, I don't agree with him on a bunch of issues but I am proud of his accomplishment, in a way what he did tonight has lifted america's image in the world and he hasn't even been sworn in.
I am certain he will make a better president then Bush ever can or could, Obama is not my first pick..or my second...or third but he is certainly way above mccain on my list.
I am happy about the achievement of the 1st african american president, and It brings a tear to my eyes.
Hopefully this country will take a new, better direction.
God Bless America.
and like Obama said in his speech tonight, we need to all come together.
It always takes a democrat to clean up a republican mess.
Can we do it?
YES WE CAN.
Obama's speech was amazing, btw.
Also, I didn't read any replies, but did anyone see what happened in D.C.? ROFL.
Now the racism, will take its place. Americans are not ready for a BLack president, because they are toooo ignorant with too many racist, it will be seen in the public soon, when black ppl will over react on their victory.
What i smell is, a future conflict among the white and black ppl, as well a pure assassination attempt on his life. The whole Europe is now watching and laughing, while Africa is crying out loud with happiness. America is in trouble economically and militarily, and now they have another huge issue that is racism.
I dont know a bigger problem than racism in USA. High schools and work places will be filled with racism.
Until he takes his seat, bush will leave him more garbage than he could ever imagine to clean. That's my view, and my opinion which logically is realistic.
How the hell can you say the United States has a problem with black people when the United States just voted in a black man? Your post has to be the most retarded thing I've ever read.
my generation has got to be one of the most cynical, pessimistic, depressed generations born. (Generation Y). Since I was little I've been hearing how the end of days was more than likely going to happen in my future. How I might live to see WWIII. How, there will be no more forests or jungles when I grow up. How the earth was dying. Dooms day this dooms day that.
And then on top of it, I was raised with this idea "hippies are bad". Don't be like the peace loving hippies, they are just drunken drugged up fools. Which then translates : Don't be active, don't be positive, don't dream of a better future.
Be like the baby boomers, who failed to see their dreams fruit. Who failed to ride in flying cars and live on mars. Be miserable.
Do you realize my generation has NEVER been positive? And you wonder why no one could get us to vote, we didn't believe anything anyone did made any difference.
Im sick of it! I want to be apart of a positive, forward thinking, forward moving generation. that pulls its head of its ass, ACTS, and remains that not only can we make real change - but we NEED to remain positive and have a vision of a brighter future. Generation Y, tonight was our night. We finally got off our arses and voted!!
Martin Luther King is proud ;__;
Let me put it this way...
None of the candidates were going to royally screw us over and send us spiralling into a pit of depression.
On the other side,
None of the candidates were going to magically solve all of our problems or inspire unprecedented change in Washington.
After Obama's term is up, the country will look similar to how it would have looked if McCain spent those same years in office.
Now, Obama is POTUS and a certian amount of dignity comes with that title and I feel I owe him respect as a patriot to the commander and cheif no matter how much I disagree with him politically, (as long as he upholds our rights.)
So, good job Obama. We will not have four years of hell set upon us because your in office, nor will we have a massive stirring up in Washington over how things have been done for generations.
Wow. Can you believe what our generation has done? We have elected the first Black president in the history of our country. This is historic, and I'm very happy with the candidate chosen.
We have such a potential for change in the next four years! Our next president is intelligent, eloquent, logical, and determined. He is someone I would want my kids to aspire to be like. I'm very proud of my next president and very excited for the future.
Hopefully, we can make our economy green and generate jobs here at home, while prolonging the life of our planet. We can invest in our infrastructure, further creating jobs and helping our nation prosper. SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY can see a huge boom, which is what I am most excited about, due to Obama's understanding of its importance in our ability to lead the world.
Obama and I may disagree on our ideologies, as I am much more libertarian than he is, but I'm willing to sacrifice what I want for what we as a nation need.
This victory represents to me that religious dogma, politically instilled fear, short term gratification, and divisiveness have all been thrown to the wayside by our people, and have been replaced by science, reason, pragmatism, hope, unity, and pride.
This is the most exciting time to be an American. I'm so happy I got to be a part of the process, and a primary beneficiary of the result.
Go Obama! Go 21st Century America!!!!!
Congratulations America, you have demonstrated you can change for the better, and will learn from past mistakes.
The world will be a better place for what you have done.
It really makes me sick to think that the first thing people think about is either A. Damn that black guy, or B. Good for him! Being black and still getting elected.
I was hoping Obama would win, half heartedly. I would have been slightly depressed if McCain won, but I don't find McCain to be worse than Obama is it is just a few, though very large, differences in what their agenda seems to be to me. At the end of the day I despise that Obama has won. Not because Obama is black, not because I didn't want him to win, but because I know it is only because of two reasons.
1. People were afraid McCain would kill over after the first month of his presidency, and then Palin would be president.
2. All the black people that never show up to vote? Yeah, they showed up to vote for him just because he was black.
Did Obama win based on merit or based on his ethnicity? I suppose we'll never know...but really I can't imagine how it could not be the second.
I was pretty impressed by some of the things he said... things you don't get to hear from presidents.
For example, the reality that there are going to beproblemschallenges and some f-ups on his part and others, but he promises to be honest and open about the difficulties facing the country.
I guess he's a politician so I shouldn't really trust what he says until he shows it, but it struck a chord all the same
I think it says a lot about the US that such change has been achieved, but the first thing I think of is "Hey, the US seems to have a new president that is intelligent and not ignorant of the rest of the world!".Quote:
It really makes me sick to think that the first thing people think about is either A. Damn that black guy, or B. Good for him! Being black and still getting elected.
Do you guys know about the site 'if the world could vote' (dot com) ?
Great idea for a site. Damn I didn't think of it first :P
People didnt vote for him simply because he is black. He is just clearly smarter. His speeches are motivating, he makes people mobilize and thats just what a natural leader is all about. Finally someone that represents the people and not just guide and command them!
Did you see the results from that site Placebo?
Barack Obama 87.3% (758,041 votes)
John McCain 12.7% (110,103 votes)
USA gained respect once more, congratulations Obama!
What's wrong with that? That is huge - not only for blacks, but as a testament to the changing ideology of this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
You do know that several black men have run for President, prior to this, right? None of them have one just because they were black. The truth is, there is something in Obama that people of all colors (yes, even white) have identified with and been inspired by. Whether or not his color had something to do with it, I won't doubt. Everything plays a factor. But I think anyone who's followed the campaign can attribute his win to at least a little more than just his skin color, or McCain's old age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
I'm getting pissed, being in Argentina people are saying things like "Oh hey your country finally didn't vote like a bunch of idiots."
1. We're not the borg, people have their own opinions here
2. Obama isn't much better than McCain
3. They cheated last time, I think they cheated for Obama this time.
Seeing Bush get elected twice left me feeling like you're a bunch of morons/borgs, to be completely honest. But perhaps you're right that it was rigged.
Anyway I'm the sort of guy that judges people on face value, not on stereotypes, so you won't see me calling you a moron ;)
Kerry lost the popular vote by less than 1%, with hundreds of thousands of votes consider "spoiler" votes and thrown away. Coincidentally, if you were latino your vote was 2 times more likely not to be counted. If you were black, 5 times more like, and if you were native american it was 20 times more likely not to be counted.
Furthermore a spokesperson from Diebold admitted that the voting machine system allows Precinct Officials to change the results of votes in their precinct. He said the only thing stopping them from doing it was their own motivation and sense of justice, or as he put it, "The scenario you're describing would require lots of evil or nefarious precinct officials, we don't believe such nefarious people exist."
Yeah, so it's a fact that our last election was run off the honor system alone.
So it was probably a lot less than 50% of the population that voted for Bush.
And even if it's more than 50, like I said We are not the borg
We broke world records for demonstrations after Bush was reelected. More than Ten of millions stormed the streets of DC and New York, plus cities all over the world, protesting his election. Let me make this clear, Bush never represented the majority of the United States, we have backwash retards in this country but they don't make up the majority.
And yet he still became president. That's got to speak volumes when a few backward hicks decide to place their favourite person as the leader of the most influential country on the planet... and get away with it.
Sad really... hopefully that's all in the past now, and the new system is less prone
The backwards hicks just fall for it, he was Big Oil's candidate.
And besides, most Americans are lazy and complacent these days.
EDIT: I just got an idea, they should name people's parties based on their highest campaign contributor so we don't have a two party system.
John Kerry representing Ketchup
That is the one good thing about it. Obama has proven that a black person can be elected president of the United States, and that speaks volumes of hope for those who didn't have enough of it. I just wish Condoleeza Rice had broken the barrier instead. A win for her would have been a breaking of two barriers and the election of a phenomenal president.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
But Condoleeza Rice would be a terrible president (she's another Bush yes-man) and just perpetuate the beliefs of some people that black people and women are inferior to whites and men.
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by ExoByte
Let's hope that the Barack Obama presidency doesn't make it where it is 100 years before another black person can get elected president. I don't think he was the right person for breaking the barrier, but now it's too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninja9578
Hes probably just going to get blamed when the economy goes into a depression. Lets face it, congress is going to stuff all their bailout plans in before he even gets into office. Which will make things worse, and theres really not much to do about it.
He isn't going to make any of the drastic changes we need, and all his plans involve spending more money, and going further into debt.
he kind of gave himself an excuse when he made that speech, saying the issues America is facing will likely take longer then a term in office to fix, which is obviously quite true. However yeah i bet after the whole excitement has drained away people will blame him for not fixing the economy in the first week..:roll:. It's like with Gordon Brown over here in the UK, i guess unlike in the UK, US news channels don't talk about Gordon Brown that much, were as we mention what's going on in America like every week. Anyways loads of people here blame Gordon Brown for the turn down which is completely unfair because like he keeps saying it is a global issue, he can't magically 100% shield Britain from it. He has tons of economic experience and tbh it could be a lot worse over here, we don;t have the foreclosure rates on houses that are happening in the USA and i;d say it's because he is trying very hard behind the scenes to fix things.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...5849626371.jpg
We had a riot. Thousands of people partying in the streets. The police quickly responded by blocking traffic so that we could party uninterrupted. =D
That's AWESOME!
lol! oh man that picture is awesome
who is the artist? I want to ask if its okay if I can put it on a tshirt for myself
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Originally Posted by Abra
Because the first thing you think shouldn't be "he is black therefore it is amazing that he won." The first thing on your mind should not be his color. The first thing you should think is, yes the candidate who is best won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Yes, his win is at least a little more than his skin color, his win is also based on the fact that everyone is tired of Bush, and everyone thinks McCain is exactly like Bush. His win is based on the fact that people want change.
But if you look at the polls that say that the number of black voters dramatically increased since the last vote, you'll understand that that was a huge part of it.
If you think McCain's age wasn't a huge part of it either you're mistaken.
I wanted Obama to win, but it sickens me that the first thing on people's mind when they think of him winning is "oh my, a black person finally made it." His race should mean jack shit to anyone. Him being black should be a foot note on the list of things that are important.
Not to mention the fact that we've had a horrible economic state under Bush's presidency that makes everyone fearful of keeping a republican in the office.
Didn't know you could Combo Break an Ultra...Quote:
Originally Posted by Abra
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Originally Posted by Sandform
But yeah, I understand what you mean about that being the first thing you think about.Quote:
Originally Posted by CNN
What about the idea that people think he was the best candidate? Or do you discredit that because of superficial factors like Obama's race and McCain's age? Of course they were factors, but did they play more of a role than perception that he was simply the better candidate? You seem to really be reaching, to make that assumption. The black vote, alone, couldn't have done it. So, unless you are attributing the majority white vote to simply McCain's age, you are going to have to concede that Obama has a lot of support out there because of what he allegedly stands for.
Why did you supposedly want him to win?
You simply don't seem to understand the gravity of Obama being elected the first black President in the history of America. I don't know if it's because the idea that such levity of the situation somehow offends you, or if you're just insensitive to what a momentous milestone this is for the depiction of the progress of civil rights in this country, but there is not a single person on this earth that should think that his race shouldn't mean jack shit to anyone. Whether or not it means they think he will do a good job is completely different, but having a black president is huge - as it should be - even to those who don't necessarily agree with his policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
MOD EDIT: Please do NOT insult/disrespect other membersQuote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Thank you for that.
THIS IS FOR THOSE OTHER "CONCERNED" AMERICANS:
It's the dawn of Obama's presidency. HE WON. GET OVER IT.
No one should be able to say that Barack Obama's race doesn't matter. It matters a lot. It shouldn't have mattered for the choice, but now that he's elected it's a big deal. It's probably the single greatest leap forwards in civil rights since Title 9.
He won because he's the best choice, it's big because he's black.
Aye, when not 60 years ago if a black person wanted to RIDE A BUS TO WORK they would get berated and ATTACKED BY DOGS AND FIRE HOSES.
They weren't even allowed to use the same water fountains. In most places the white's used water would be put into the "colored" fountain to use. Could you imagine? Being thirsty and being subjected to drinking the slobbery run-off of another person for fear of either dying of thirst or going to jail?
And now, in the same lifetime of many of the people that fought against that oppression, many of which never imagined they'd live to see it... a BLACK MAN IS THE NEXT LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD!
It's fucking huge, you can't overlook it. It speaks volumes for how far we as a country have come, but the fact that we still have to even mention his race speaks volumes as to how far as a country we still have to go.
Yes it sucks that many people voted purely because he is black, but that wasn't nearly the deciding factor.
Very well said. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elis D.
I hate to break it to you, but no matter which schmuck had inherited responsibility, we'd still be in for a long downward slope. I've seen the media using the crashing plane analogy for awhile, well this is like one pilot pushing the stick all the way forward and then saying "here someone take over" 30 seconds before we hit the ground. No matter how hard the the next guy pulls up, we are still in for one hell of a bump.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Roxxor
I'm pretty sure a lot of republicans are happy to be getting out of the spot light for the next few months, and I'm sure at least some part of McCain is happy to be able to be the one to point fingers instead of the one to take responsibility for what happens next.
Very true but I, for one, am taking that fact into consideration of what happens next.
He does have a tough job on his hands, but I appreciate his approach to it so far
I think...... its going to be an interesting 4 years, and i hope to god nothing happens to him cause Bidens a waste of space.
MOD EDIT: Please do NOT insult/disrespect other members. That goes for you too, BrainchildQuote:
Originally Posted by Brainchild
I'm not racist. I just think that it is belittling to say to people it is amazing that a black person won.
As for Oneiron.
I'm not attributing the majority of the vote to his race or McCain's age, though you are completely incorrect if you don't think race was not a deciding factor in many states, I'm attributing it to the fact that people didn't want another republican in office simply because they think the last republican who was in office screwed things up.
McCains age is only relevant because of who is V.P. was.
You people seem to think I'm saying him being the first black president isn't a cool thing, no it is great, what I'm saying is that to say that "oh wow we are progressing" is part of what keeps us from making progress faster. It is worth a foot note, but it is just stupid for people to say "oh joy we are progressing so much from our old ways."
A black person and in the white house shouldn't be an achievement, it should just be what happened. The fact that he is black should mean literally nothing to any one. This is how things are supposed to be able to work. You don't say hurray for getting what you deserve...
When people act based on reason and empathy, you don't say wow that is amazing, you say that is good, that is the way things should work, and I'm going to MOVE ON with my life.
When people act the way they are SUPPOSED to, you don't say it is great how we don't hang niggars these days aint it pa? No you say it is messed up that people lynched black people, it was fucking wrong and isn't how things are supposed to be.
I realize that to many people it is a big thing. "Yes we can." Etc. But my point is that if you are at a point where you still say thanks as if you don't deserve to get what it is, then you are the one who is being racist, not me.
By saying things like Obama being the first black president is amazing, you're saying ok continue to do wrong to me, continue to be racist, I'm perfectly content to continue to be under your reign because every little scrap of equality you give me makes me happy.
I'm sorry, Sanform, but that makes absolutely no sense, to me. "No sense" as in "none, whatsoever." For you to say that black people can't be moved, even to tears, because of such a cultural mileston - and calling them racists for doing so - is completely asinine (IMHO). I honestly can't even see how you've worked out that logic. Hell, there are plenty of white people who are just as elated about what having a black president actually means in this country, in terms of race relations. You speak as if it's only black people who are celebratory of it. That, in itself, seems a little ignorant to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I just don't think it makes a bit of sense. :wtf:
What I see Sandform saying, at least in part, is the point at which we give away our prejudices is the point that we don't care one way or another about a president's race.
But on the other hand, we aren't there yet and recognizing this as a step is totally reasonable, since we can't magically turn into a tolerant color-blind country.
thanx for bringing that up. because you are right. if obama can't fix our problems, then he will be blamed. same with mccain. i just hope that he pulls through, because although i wouldn't have voted for him, he is the leader of our country...Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
Obama didn't win because he was black. And black people did NOT vote for him because he was black. Black people (as a majority) were STILL supporting hillary before most of them shifted to Obama. And as Chris Rock stated..."Flavor Flav is black...that doesn't mean I'd vote for him."Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
I have something similar to say...Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are black...and I'd never vote for them to become president. So yeah, in yo face beotch. :P
And while I still think Sandy is a closet racist, I can see where he's coming from in the sense that I understand his view point. Not in the sense that I agree with him.
I like the Argentinian's mindset. Because Deus...they are absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnius Deus
Hey genius, it's a victory for all of us...and I seriously doubt the tensions would increase because you forget...OBAMA WOULDN'T BE THE PRESIDENT ELECT HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE MAJORITY OF WHITE VOTES. Blacks are STILL a minority in this country...whites got him to the white house smart man.Quote:
Originally Posted by L
Are you some kind of basement hermit who still believes it's 1856 or something? Like seriously...what does the country of Africa have to do with him being elected to the US presidency? And furthermore why do you assume the billions of people in Europe are laughing at Obama? Last time I checked...the whole fucking world was cheering and screaming Obama's name. Spain, Japan, Germany, Kenya, Europe etc. to name a few where hundreds of thousands of people showed up with PrObama signs.Quote:
Originally Posted by L
Look what was sculpted on a beach in Spain...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Nb8DOoLyFw...00-R/obama.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Nb8DOoLyFw...00-R/oabam.jpg
Yeah um...like because racism is this "new" thing in America. Seriously dude...get over yourself. I think black people will take more pride in their color and start achieving more gauging Obama as a pinnacle of success for their race and all people of color. Besides...need I remind you that whites made up a majority of the vote in this election? The only places I could see your statement carrying any weight would be the south since it turned out red in this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by L
Once again I doubt it. At least not in the northern states. Most white people love Obama like they love Tiger Woods. And for the record...Obama was NOT running for president as an african american, he was an african american running for president. I don't foresee America regressing in terms of racial tolerance. The mere fact that a black man became president shows that the racial divide IS shrinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by L
I'm not a closet racist, I just think it is fucked up to sit here and say THANK YOU America for losing your racism. You wouldn't say thank you if someone used to cut off people's thumbs and then one day decided not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
I just think that you aren't supposed to be grateful that you finally get what you deserve...if anything you should be pissed of that there are some people who still don't want people to get what they deserve.
In case anyone hasn't said this yet...
HE'S NOT BLACK! He's multi-racial! Not only that, he seems to have had a predominantly white upbringing.
Of course, would the minority voters have come out for his support had he not been marketed as a "black candidate"? Shhhh... shut up joe - the idiots overseas will hate us again. Gotta hand it to his campaign team, well, the media really, who are the true force behind doing everything but declaring him a saint (which, give it a few years, could happen).
Don't go thinking I'm a hater, I just hate ignorance. Everyone around the world seems to think that we all did this wonderful thing, this HUGE leap by voting for a "black" guy. "Oh, congratulations Americans, you're over your racism". Pffftt! He was simply just another candidate, like all previous candidates; the 'better of the two evils'. When it comes to evils, he was up against Beelzebub's first cousin, if you ask me. I think my dog could have won THIS election. Let us not also forget he was up agains a war pusher during a time of two unpopular wars and an economy on life support. Howz it go, "gotta break some eggs to make the omelette"? The "silver linning" in this story?
I do thank the powers that be (the people) that this was at LEAST a slaughter, and not a close election. That would have sucked. I'm also glad to hear that, somehow, Americans are being respected around the world a little bit more.
For those dying to find out who I voted for, I give you only a hint... (neither of the major parties) :P
I don't think very many people voted for him because he was black. I certainly voted for him because of his universal health care plan and Biden's foreign policy experience. He just happened to be black, which is why I think it's a big deal.
Jeff: People care about US elections because it affect the world when a douche like Bush starts wars that aren't commonly accepted as unavoidable
Tornado: Thanks for bringing that up. It's actually been grating on me too... Obama is not black dammit!
However, that said, I think it's a good thing that people are doing this... black people & countries feel that a black dude was elected, whites feel that it's not really a black guy after all (and he's less radical than the previous ones), and other countries just appreciate his multi-dimensional background
That sounds really bitter and counter-productive to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
Life is not perfect. Nobody is perfect. There ARE some people who still don't want people to get what they deserve. Get over it, and be grateful that we've at least come this far. We should acknowledge the progress and hope for the future that this represents.
Besides, being that much of the world outside our little bubble called America is considerably more observant, active and intelligent than us (especially Europe), I think they're all so happy that we FINALLY have elected someone who has a brain and makes sense when he talks, and isn't some thoughtless, war-mongering, oil-pumping, d*ck-swinging degenerate. Now they can actually talk to an educated human being who is willing to help and cooperate with others. That's what the world appreciates most. No matter how much it really does depend on race, we're all in too big of a crisis to be that small-minded.
Would the world be so happy in this horrible state we're in if we gave Snoop Dogg the keys to the White House? I think not. The world sees something in Obama's character and what he stands for that transcends his race, so quit discrediting it with your pessimistic ignorance.
Besides, Obama isn't black :D
But please guys, can we tone it down a bit?
Try not get too riled up, it's just the internet as usual - not worth it ;)
yea yea:bravo::bravo::bravo::bowdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
Its so easy to detect the avg. Mccains supporters:
1- They are afraid of Obama and socialism ideals
2- He won just because hes black
3- Sarah Palin is smart
4- Fox News is the best news channel
All I can say is that the whole world is cheering for obama.
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by spockman
I'm still worried about what the next four years will bring, but then again no matter who was elected I would still feel worried. I just can't wait for the President Elect to take office so we can see what he's made of.
Me neither. I think he'll be a great president, but even if he turns out to be a complete douchebag, it's still an upgrade. My dog is smarter than the current president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amethyst Star
For those saying race wasn't a factor,
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...769_race_1.gif
Clearly the majority of the white US population are still one hell of a lot dumber than the black/hispanic/latino electorate. Thankfully it's not up to them, eh?
That is funny because I think your position on how it should be handled is counter productive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer
If you pretend to be satisfied with getting bits here and there then you are basically saying, yes please take as SLOW as you possible can to do what is morally right.
Er...what white people do you know that feel that way? Besides, imo that statement implies that whites don't think a pure black guy is worthy to be president. At any rate...if we were to go by the "one drop rule", then Obama is a black man. Hell the guy had an afro as a teenager for crying out loud :P. Nevertheless, I agree...though I don't like the "one drop rule" Obama is essentially half black and half white making him Mulatto. But by America's standards and viewpoints, he is...black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Placebo
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Originally Posted by Brainchild
I honestly can't see what it was that some people just didn't like about Obama's plans...all of them are pretty sound and most will benefit Us, The People, at least in the short-run. With him, our relationship with the other countries of the world will be a lot less tense (how could they NOT be, when international polls show that the rest of the world leaders, Iraq's included, want Obama?). Plus, his victory has instilled hope and the belief that "you can do anything you set your mind to if you at least try" in millions of black youths all over. I can't see how any of this is a bad thing.
Although from the start I said "There's just an inherently evil look about his face", I don't really think McCain would have been much worse or better than Obama - although I didn't agree with his views on foreign affairs, the rest of his plans were pretty sound, I'm forced to admit.
The only thing I would have been dismayed about, had he been elected, is that if he had died while in office, Palin would have become president. And McCain was jabbing at Obama's lack of experience during the Presidential Debates...yeesh. Clinton would definitely have made a better "first woman president" anyway.
What do people not like about him? Here are the logical reasons. Whether or not you or I think they are bad is irrelevant, as there are logical reasons to believe on both sides. Thus, there are logical reasons to dis'like his policies.Quote:
I honestly can't see what it was that some people just didn't like about Obama's plans...all of them are pretty sound and most will benefit Us, The People, at least in the short-run. With him, our relationship with the other countries of the world will be a lot less tense (how could they NOT be, when international polls show that the rest of the world leaders, Iraq's included, want Obama?). Plus, his victory has instilled hope and the belief that "you can do anything you set your mind to if you at least try" in millions of black youths all over. I can't see how any of this is a bad thing.
-He's for socialized medicine.
-He's for raising corporate tax.
-He's for a less cautionary if more diplomatic approach to foriegn policy.
-He's for increased regulation of the economy.
-He's for stricter gun control laws.
Other issues...
-He's for partial birth abortion.
-He's for looser immigration.
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Originally Posted by spockman
I'm going to need proof for this. I watch a video that said he was against late abortion...unless there is a risk to health.