file sharing

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Originally Posted by Marvo

I'm perfectly aware of that. Doesn't change the fact that somebody is linking to a website with tons of illegal torrents.

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Map

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

What Ynot said.

The torrents themselves contain no copyrighted material. :P

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I'm trying to copyright the phrase
"d8:announce44"
which all torrent files start with

We'll be millionaires Rodney

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Originally Posted by Ynot

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Where does it say "THERE'S A DRUG DEALER AT THIS LOCATION!" ?

Your argument is invalid. If I linked a pornsite here, that coincidentally had no images or improper material, but just trackers, but it did have an off-topic section where people would just talk normally, would it then be perfectly fine with you?

While it is true that these torrent sites offer both legal and illegal material, and it's true that it's up to the user to choose what features they will use, it still means that the site is clearly and purposely sharing illegal torrents.

from a legal stand point, there's no issues

but I'd have to mod the post for inappropriate content on a 15+ forum
(this forum has rules above and beyond any legal laws)

*edit*
again, my own personal opinions

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Originally Posted by Marvo

Where does it say "THERE'S A DRUG DEALER AT THIS LOCATION!" ?

Your argument is invalid. If I linked a pornsite here, that coincidentally had no images or improper material, but just trackers, but it did have an off-topic section where people would just talk normally, would it then be perfectly fine with you?

While it is true that these torrent sites offer both legal and illegal material, and it's true that it's up to the user to choose what features they will use, it still means that the site is clearly and purposely sharing illegal torrents.

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The point is the torrent by itself isn't illegal. It's only illegal if you use the torrent to download the copyrighted material.

Also, I think if you own the material it's not illegal either. I own an original copy of warcraft 3, got the original cd key to prove it, no one could possibly arrest or fine me for downloading the game.

there's countless threads on this forum linking to copyrighted material
(links to music videos on youtube)

from a purely technical stand-point
youtube links are closer to "dodgy" as it's a direct link to streaming content

torrents are p2p
there's no direct linking to any content

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

I own an original copy of warcraft 3, got the original cd key to prove it, no one could possibly arrest or fine me for downloading the game.

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There's a fair few games that plain work better if you torrent them

can't tell you how many think my wine install is a virtual CD emulator and refuse to install....

I need to crack them just to shut the installer up

Thanks guys, btw ynot are you really fbi?

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Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Thanks guys, btw ynot are you really fbi?

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Yes he is. Look up the word "Entrapment" in the dictionary.

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Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The point is the torrent by itself isn't illegal. It's only illegal if you use the torrent to download the copyrighted material.

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I'm perfectly aware of that. The gun isn't illegal either. It's only illegal if you use the gun to shoot people. My point is, that forum administrators should be thinking further than what the law says. I might aswell go on and call everybody dipshits and whatnot and say that I'm entitled to do so, because of freedom of expression. Freedom of expression is however not a valid argument on forums, because of the fact that the forum is making its own rules, and one of them most likely is to not flame other members.

Somebody purposely linked to a website where you can acquire illegal material. Said link should be removed and the member be warned.
The Youtube argument is a shitty argument by the way. You might aswell say "Those guys are doing it, so we can too!".

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Also, I think if you own the material it's not illegal either. I own an original copy of warcraft 3, got the original cd key to prove it, no one could possibly arrest or fine me for downloading the game.

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In the law's current state, they can go on and fine you just fine.

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Originally Posted by Marvo

In the law's current state, they can go on and fine you just fine.

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Are sure of that?

Last I heard, at least in the USA you are entitled to have 1 backup copy of the game. And the states seem to be the stricter ones when it comes to piracy.


If youtube is allowed here in DV, there's no reason sites like thepiratebay shouldn't.

if no-one has any objections, I'm going to close this thread

I can see this leading to members testing the boundaries and posting heaps of torrent links

No matter what the legal status of linking to external sites, push too far and a shit-storm will ensue none-the-less

Don't forget, the issue was posting a link to the index page of torrent trackers
and not links to specific torrents

Test the boundaries and you may run the risk losing everything (including youtube) in an effort to rule consistently across the board

Yes, youtube is allowed
torrents are (afaik) undecided

use your common sense
and if in doubt, just use PM's or external communication channels (email / IM / IRC / whatever)

Any issues,
please PM me

- Tony