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DONT KILL YOURSELF!!! THEN WHO WILL BE MY QUEEN OF THE REVOLUTION?!?!?!
IF HE WINS, I'M STARTING A REVOLUTION!!!! AND YOU HAVE TO BE THE QUEEN!!!!
fine then,
I WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Bush wins I'll..... I'll..... kill myself. But wait, then who will kill him? :evil: :evil: :evil:
I got you covered.
*Loads uzi*
:shock:
hmmm i dislike kerry though...
*votes*
...
*hides*
michael badnarik should win.
But I doubt even most of you americans know who the hell he is. :shock:
crazy radicals. :shakehead2: wait on florida and ohio... wait... be patient... here, have some tool lyrics to calm you.
a groan of tedium escapes me,
startling the fearful.
is this a test? it has to be,
otherwise i can't go on.
draining patience, drain vitality.
this paranoid, paralyzed vampire act's a little old.
but i'm still right here
giving blood, keeping faith
and i'm still right here.
wait it out,
gonna wait it out,
be patient (wait it out).
if there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through
this tedious path i've chosen here,
i certainly would've walked away by now.
gonna wait it out.
if there were no desire to heal
the damaged and broken met along
this tedious path i've chosen here
i certainly would've walked away by now.
and i still may ... (sigh) ... i still may.
be patient.
i must keep reminding myself of this.
and if there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through
this tedious path i've chosen here,
i certainly would've walked away by now.
and i still may.
gonna wait it out.
The search is on.....
*Starts searching for Je33ica to learn of who she voted for by intense questioning*
say hello to jesus for me :chuckle:
j/k :P
*stops hiding*
haha minion and nightowl, well im two years under the legal voting age, so im safe from harm :P
btw nightowl: how cool you're a mod now, congrats :cheers:
im underaged to so looks like we're in the same boatQuote:
Originally posted by Je33ica
*stops hiding*
haha minion and nightowl, well im two years under the legal voting age, so im safe from harm :P
yup, thanks for the congrats. hope you have fun being a dream guide(i know i did :P)Quote:
btw nightowl: how cool you're a mod now, congrats :cheers:[/b]
I am totally for Pres. Bush. Tell me at least 10 reasons why Bush should not be Re-elected :?
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It doesn't matter... Bush won.
This country's screwed anyways.
EDIT: That was a bit too extreme I guess... But actually I really think that there are just too many things that can go wrong from this point on.
I sorta agree with squall. I dont really care who wins(hoping for kerry though). Bush can go ahead and win the thing. Just as long as he doesnt fuck up again, like he did these past 4 years.
anyway dooley, i'll take up your offer. here are 10 reasons. NOTE: i did NOT make these up. I just googled 10 reasons not to vote bush and this is what i got and copied and pasted it. They are most likely extremetists so read at your own disposal
#10- A man who is in dire need of remedial speech class has no business speaking for America. This fool has repeatedly caused the rest of the world to look at us as a nation of morons.
#9- The simple minded chimp known as Dubya wasn’t elected in the first place. He lost the popular vote in 2000 to Al Gore and only received more electoral votes due to a series of highly questionable events. Florida, who’s Governor happens to be Bush’s brother, was the state in question. The Supreme Court blocked a recount that may have changed the outcome of the election. Somehow Bush found a way to cheat; money talks.
#8- Bush recently decided not to resign the Assault Weapons Ban, his only motivation was due to the fact the National Rifle Association’s support hinged on his decision. This is an example of bad politics run amok. Essentially, this is a case of “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours,” on a presidential scale.
#7- The appointments that Bush has made to various positions could be called a train wreck at best. He has provided individuals involved with the Iran-Contra scandal with positions they aren’t fit to fill and has dolled out important government jobs to undeserving family members of his administration.
#6- Bush has been praised for his leadership following the events of Sept. 11, this praise is undeserved. After being sworn into office Bush began to vacation constantly. He held the fewest press conferences of any president in history prior to the events of 9/11. A little more attention to his duties may have saved this country a whole lot of heart ache.
#5- Bush’s imperialistic agenda has blinded him to problems that we face at home. Consider this fact, the Surgeon General estimates that approximately 300,000 Americans die each year from obesity, a number that dwarfs those deaths attributed to terrorism. If Dopey is so concerned about saving lives, as he claims, perhaps he should abandon his crusade to allegedly protect us from terrorists and focus on domestic issues.
#4- Bush is guilty of allowing his religious beliefs to trump on the rights of many individuals. He has used religion in an attempt to justify every action he takes. Allowing him to operate like this any longer is like handing a child an Uzi and telling them to run along and play.
#3- The Bush Administration has all but forgotten about the supposed perpetrator of Sept. 11. He was named Osama bin Laden, you might remember him. He seems to be gone and lost forever, although I suppose it is hard to catch a man who was never meant to be caught.
#2- Fiction: Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein is going to kill you. Fact: The Bush Administration lied. They had no plan to win the peace, no exit plan. There never were any such weapons but these clowns refuse to relinquish their lies. This was a war fueled by this administration’s lust for oil money as well as a personal vendetta that Bush held against Hussein. This can be evidenced by the fact that Dubya keeps the pistol that Saddam Hussein was holding when captured in the White House. “Heh-heh look what I’ve got Daddy.”
#1- This Administration is one enormous collection of liars who can’t admit when they’re wrong. We are being governed by a clique who is only interested in the gains of themselves and their friends. I am not fully convinced that the events of Sept. 11, 2001 were simply an act of terror. Money and power corrupt. I would like anyone to prove to me that the Bush Administration didn’t purposely allow the events of Sept. 11 to transpire so that they in turn could pursue a perpetual war on terror. It is nearly a perfect crime. A nation suffers a devastating terrorist attack; the leaders of that nation rally the country into a patriotic fervor and proclaim that freedom will be defended. Who is going to question that? Well I just did.
1. his foreign policy: the botch in iraq, the neglect of afghanistan, the neglect of sudan, the hypocrisy of north korea.Quote:
Originally posted by DooleyClovis
I am totally for Pres. Bush. Tell me at least 10 reasons why Bush should not be Re-elected :?
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2. weapons of mass destruction/distraction (the carrot in front of our eyes).
3. our nation's economy.
4. his massive spending bills.
5. religion. he makes decisions concerning this country based on his religion. this is a religiously diverse nation, decisions should be made on policies not religion.
6. his overstepping of the UN, put in place to control violent actions...
7. his views on immigration.
8. his ever-present ability to not talk in coherent sentences.
9. women rights.
10. human rights.
and we're not screwed... we've had this dumbass for four years... we can survive anything if we can survive him. :mrgreen:
1. He's an assQuote:
Originally posted by DooleyClovis
I am totally for Pres. Bush. Tell me at least 10 reasons why Bush should not be Re-elected :?
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2. He's an ass
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4. He's an ass
5. He's an ass
6. He's an ass
7. He's an ass
8. He's an ass
9. He's an ass
and...
10. He's an ass
But, as South Park says, all votes are against a giant doush and a turd sandwhich!
Iraq is reason enough for me...
Oh dear...Quote:
If Bush wins I'll kill myself[/b]
Well there are far too many to list but try US and UK troops are getting killed daily in Iraq we need good quality back up from Germany, France and other european allies. Kerry is waaaaaay more likely to get that times 1000.Quote:
I am totally for Pres. Bush. Tell me at least 10 reasons why Bush should not be Re-elected[/b]
Unfortunately America has re-elected these lovely careing ultra conservatives (the democrats in the US are conservatives to my mind) this means more US and UK troops will be killed, ah well... chow down the burgers folks your safe in the US now with the Bush boys on patrol.
Heh, I wonder if the American people realise that the WHOLE FUCKING world just HATES Bush.
Doesn't look like it.Quote:
Originally posted by CT
Heh, I wonder if the American people realise that the WHOLE FUCKING world just HATES Bush.
I honestly cannot understand how Bush can get this many votes, after the unlimited screwups... It seems to me that southerners need an uzi turned on themselves.
Thank you, but I don't own an uzi. 357 Magnum might work though.Quote:
Originally posted by Placebo
It seems to me that southerners need an uzi turned on themselves.
All democrats should go on a forced sex with other democrats push for victory, breed, breed make more sane people ;)
Sorry I don't really have anything against republicans or conservatism in general *chews the table* but I do have a problem with ultra christian conservatives and buying the most important job on the planet.
I will also sacrifice myself to the cause if anyone is over for a quick holiday :DQuote:
All democrats should go on a forced sex with other democrats push for victory, breed, breed make more sane people[/b]
Ok what about Nader!!!! he wants to legalize weed and then you dont have to vote for bush or kerry
fuck. kerry just conceded, wtf? :shakehead2:
OMFG!!!!!! Bush has just won! How long do ya think we'll have to live? i don't wanna die!!! *mass havoc is caused*
You guys are being silly. The Prez is just a figure head anyway. It is all of the major corporations will all of the money that are running the world anyway.
that's true Seeker, but if anything, this past 4 years have taught us how much damage some random bloke can cause. He may just be the head figure, but then again, you can always ask that to all the people that died in Iraq... :?
This is not the end of the world(I hope) but it sure isn't a good thing, and I am appalled that so many people could vote for Bush considering his performance. I guess people like their guns, and don't want to have a gay couple move next to them and corrupt their american dream. Maybe they like sending off their children to a war that never should have been. I don't know. All I know is that Iraq alone was reason for Bush to never see any sort of power again.
It seems like a lot of people disagree with you. For everyone who thinks bush is so horrible, maybe you should take a closer look at why you think that.
I'll take freedom for Iraqis and national security over giving our autonomous nation over to the UN. I'm not saying I like everything that Bush does, but in my opinion he does a fair enough job. (No flames, because I won't reply to them)
As I heard a soldier in Iraq say on the news this morning, he perferred the idea of the war going on now and getting over sooner than going back 10 years from now for another problem. Just my opinion.
-Amé
So us Canadians
we'll be waving to you guys when you go off to war
bush is pushing the draft eh........
(you all shouda voted kerry)
but you guys were damned if you did and damned if you didn't
what a choice to be screw or Nailed lol
well good luck to you all
(plays the death march and watches as some cubas burn the american flag)
sigh the horror
Heh, the draft... Im going to college, and by the time im 18 bush will have been in office for 2 years, so I doubt I will hafta worry about that. Oh and I could always run to Canada, seeing as my city has a bridge to the place :PQuote:
Originally posted by Lex
So us Canadians
we'll be waving to you guys when you go off to war
bush is pushing the draft eh........
(you all shouda voted kerry)
but you guys were damned if you did and damned if you didn't
what a choice to be screw or Nailed lol
well good luck to you all
(plays the death march and watches as some cubas burn the american flag)
sigh the horror
Bush is a retard and Kerry was freaking weird anyway, so yeah, maybe we were all screwed one way or another...
There wont be a draft.
i love how people buy into soo much propaganda...both sides were slinging it, and everyone bought into it, for whatever side they favored more...bleh
someone seems sure of that...maybe it's the worry talking teeheeQuote:
There wont be a draft.[/b]
i live really close to the states and i here many americans talking about it over here
as well the man i'm with has family there
i'm not uniformed ... but i do beleive that bush will push for it if
I agree, there will be no draft. An all volunteer army is the way to go! I wouldn't want a disgruntled draftee watching MY back!Quote:
Originally posted by Alric
There wont be a draft.
I agree Seeker!
Btw maybe after this 4 years usa get s a woman for president :)
That would be nice! If she fits the bill of course at qualities as a leader.
So ophelia..how would you like your death? slow and horrible or quick and painless?
anyway...i think some of you guys are overreacting just a little...>_>
no no no nightowl....have mercy up on her lol
why?Quote:
Originally posted by OpheliaBlue
period.
I hated Bush from the beginning, but after looking into it more, I dispise the bastard. Why the hell does anyone vote for him? I guess the terrorists didn't assassinate him just to piss us off in the first place...
You as well should take a closer look at the nation. In case you had not noticed, America is an extremely divided nation. Bush did not win by a land-slide, but by a pretty razor thin margin. That is said to be one of the reasons given for Kerry conceding: They could have fought it and waiting for the rest of Ohio's ballots to be counted and all of this other stuff, but that would just even further divide the nation. Someone from Kerry staff was quoted as saying something like that Kerry did not want to further divide and already extremely divided nation.Quote:
Originally posted by Alric
It seems like a lot of people disagree with you. For everyone who thinks bush is so horrible, maybe you should take a closer look at why you think that.
Hopefully Bush gets the same message, that was pretty clear - and that many knew before, but that certain politicians chose to ignore - that America is not united, but extremely divided. Will be hard to ignore that now.
lol paperdoll, with that sig you'll be shot here... run! ;)
This is going to come off sounding like a flame. I apologize for that. It isn't directed towards you; just your values towards the war.
More then half the country not being able to vote, insurgents and fighting within the streets for control of the unstable government, 1122 United States men and women dead since 'Mission Accomplished', 660 since the capture of Saddam, and 138 others from the collition who have died.Quote:
I'll take freedom for Iraqis[/b]
This is why Christianity is such a terrible concept. You believe that when a person dies they are transported to an afterlife. You give away the lives of others because of this faulty idea. Not believing in God or an afterlife gives you a new perspective; that each life is important. To throw them away for a cause that wont benefit the world upsets me, and it should also upset you. But for a reason that I have not been able to figure out yet, Christians and conservatives don't seem to care that real lives are being cut short over there. Estimates that a range from 10,000 to 30,000 Iraqis have died since the war began don't seem to phase you. Maybe you don't consider them to be people?Quote:
God loves me!... and you![/b]
At any rate, you seem to have been taken by the political spin put on the war. If you recall, the war began as a search for weapons of mass destruction. This is a cause worthy of support, and, of course, had my backing. However, none being found, the agenda for the war abrubtly changed from a hunt for destructive explosives to a war 'for freedom'. A laughable notion. The country was better off before and probably wont recover for some time to come - if ever.
Death in the name of democracy. Can anyone make an analgous connection between this and the crusades? I sure can.
Which network? One of the ones owned by conservative Republicans? Wait, they all are owned by conservative Republicans.Quote:
As I heard a soldier in Iraq say on the news this morning, he perferred the idea of the war going on now and getting over sooner than going back 10 years from now for another problem.[/b]
This isn't to say that Kerry would have been able to get us out of the current terrible situation, but a fresh outlook was what we needed most.
this female president?????????Quote:
Originally posted by LucidApple
I agree Seeker!
Btw maybe after this 4 years usa get s a woman for president :)
That would be nice! If she fits the bill of course at qualities as a leader.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/nicebush.php
yes another albinoblacksheep film
i think nader should win look at how many times he has run and lost 2...3...4..???
If the countrys screwed to you, LEAVE. :shakehead2: *ish a bush support and is really tired of hearing this nonscence*
I was saying we'd be screwed either way.
If Kerry had been elected and not Bush, then the U.S. would be seen as weak in the international arena, and we definitely don't want that right now. (You know, cause of the terrorists and all) What I do know, however, is that if Bush hadn't pissed so many people off during the last term, Kerry would have had better ground to stand on in terms of foreign policy.
However, since Bush has been re-elected now, the U.S. is still screwed. Mainly because of foregin policy again. Irasel right now is just wanting a reason to attack Iran, but it won't without backing from the U.S.
Guess who's gonna give it? Bush. That means Iran will feel threatened as crap now and will desperately try to deter a war. That either means they'll go nuclear, or they'll send missles straight to Iraseli cities. (Not Jerusalem though) This will make everyone around angry. Allies will be pulled in, America will be forced to support Israel... Boom, World War III.
Now of course those are just worse case scenarios and I really really hope that none of it is actually going to happen. But seeing the instability in the Middle East, anything could happen.
What I can guarantee though, is that American soldiers will keep dying in Iraq, if not elsewhere. (If you noticed Bush has held up on attacks in Iraq until after the election to avoid casualties that could potentially take votes away from him)
And I do know that the deficit will continue to soar, probably causing a lot of economical problems until some kind of policy kicks in.
And I do know that since Bush doesn't need to worry about re-election again, he may pull some weird stuff in the Middle East. I just hope it won't kill us all.
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Oh yeah, have you guys noticed? We now have not just a conservative president, but a senate and house as well. Now that's scary. :shock:
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Originally posted by Je33ica
lol paperdoll, with that sig you'll be shot here... run! ;)
hmm. that sounds exactly like something a liberal would do. that, or throw pies at me.
dont worry about paperdoll..if people have a problem with her signature then they should seriously consider fornicating themselves. It's her opinion and opinions are to be respected here :D
whats a liberal....Quote:
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lol paperdoll, with that sig you'll be shot here... run! ;)
hmm. that sounds exactly like something a liberal would do. that, or throw pies at me.[/b]
i can throw pies...
i still think nader should win or... a celebrity.??
That makes hella senseQuote:
I hated Bush from the beginning, but after looking into it more, I dispise the bastard. Why the hell does anyone vote for him? I guess the terrorists didn't assassinate him just to piss us off in the first place... [/b]
Someone should kill him so Cheney can be prez. He'd own.
Here's my chance
*grabs uzi and leaves for washington*
SPARE CHENEY!!!
while you're there get me one of those free pens.
LMAO
I hired a hitman.Quote:
Originally posted by nightowl
So ophelia..how would you like your death? slow and horrible or quick and painless?
(me >>>) :cry: :sniper: (<<< hitman)
Proud to be a registered voter living in OHIO :!:
Go Bush.
Release the hounds.
This is seriously depressing. How do you support a man who starts a war based on lies, kills around 150,000 civilians, burns around 10 trillion bucks and creates a giant deficit, taxes the middle class and gives it to the super-rich, fails to stop the worst terrorist attack in US history, makes most of the world hate everything he stands for, and then has the nerve to say that he's making America safer and has moral values (he can't admit a single mistake). And people buy it. It's just baffling, defying all logic (I did about 100 dream checks today, in disbelief), and I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow gravity reversed, or the sun stopped shining. Well, I did everything I could, even got a couple of people to vote for Kerry, but it wasn't enough. :shakehead2: :cry:
AcidBasick, your post was very reasonable, and not a flame.
But really everyone....look at the facts.
More bad news: all of these points are understated (extremely understated for #1 and #5)Quote:
Originally posted by Sparky
-Under his leadership, 2 million jobs were lost.
-Guess what? Bush has a FIVE TRILLION dollar deficit! Whos going to pay all that off?
-Our economy continues to deteororate with bush in office.
-1000 american soldiers die in a pointless war.
-Around 20,000 iraqi people have died in combat in iraq(citizens)
Hehe, I edited my post to get rid of all that
oh as opposed to republicans intimitating people at the booth to vote for Bush in some hick towns?Quote:
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lol paperdoll, with that sig you'll be shot here... run! ;)
hmm. that sounds exactly like something a liberal would do. that, or throw pies at me.[/b]
Oh yes... liberals, I forgot what was it that they supposedly did again, they lie and make everyone believe that they stand for that they dont, so people will vote for them & the liberals can sieze power? :roll:
I used to remember when the world loved the land of the free, I was talking about this with some Engliah and US mates over here in the UK. People used to have US flags, those stickers with the two fingers up, coloured as the star spangeled banner etc. America was an exciting place to think about where super heros lived, cowboys and injuns roamed, and everyone was free...
You won't find a US flag in any teenagers bedroom these days, when people think of America they think of right wing christian cowboys and a voting system entirely based on how much money you have or if you can con church congregations into beleiving that those Imoral homosexuals are gonna take over. Voting for Bush for 4 years is like saying "the rest of the world can go whistle, we don't care about you, or working with you, we'll do what we want reguardless what you think." Its makes me so mad , I'm putting all my American freinds back on a plane to live in a swing state and breed, make more sane people.
I really don't think that most Americans know how much of a slap in the face this has been for the rest of the world, maybe they are the majority of people that don't own a passport or have never travelled outside the US but can this be an excuse? :|
Some people outside of the US have some huge egos. Where do they get off trying to tell the US what to do. They want the US to listen to them but they outright ignore us. It goes both ways you know. Its like with france, they actively try to undermind to the US and do us harm, then they cry that we ignore them. A lot of them are filling their pockets with blood money they got from starving the iraq people, and we are some how wrong for cutting them off? I think not. The rest of the world needs a slap in the face. The US is always doing everything, all over the place, we spend insane amount of money HELPING people only because its the right thing to do. We ask for help with one thing and then they wont help because they are taking illegals bribes from sadam at the expense of the iraq people.
Then your going to say the US has huge morals problems because most of their people are against killing unborn children and wont legalize drugs. Give me brake.
Bush declared war because EVERYONE thought that some thing should be done about sadam. The UN kept saying they would do something but they can't back up their own words, so we did it for them. Congress voted for the war, so the idea that it is bushs war is stupid. Most people where for the war back then, and bush never lied. He said what everyone at the time believed as fact, and he did the right thing. Sadam is no an honorable man, you can not take his word for anything, so if he didn't want to show proof, well you know what happened.
The economy was going into a recission before bush took office. 9/11 made it even worse so a lot of jobs where lost. Since then bush had regain a ton of jobs, and we are doing a lot better. I don't know if you believe in magic and think bush can wave a wand around to either make or lose jobs, thats not how it works.
Most people do not think its a pointless war, and in wars people die. Its a sad thing but you can hardly expect a war where no one dies. With the choice between americans dieing at home or soliders dieing in iraq, most people would pick the second. Its their job, its what they are trained to do, its what they want to do, and they have weapons and armor to fight with while people here have no defense if someone wanted to drive a car bomb into their house.
Yes, now we've sent all the poor kids overseas to take the bullets. When terrorists strike here, they often kill people with incomes above the poverty line, which is unconscionable. And of course, these guys volunteered--seeing no other prospects for work or education, they joined a military that promised both, knowing that under certain circumstances (say oil executives gain control of the White House) they might be used as human shields.
I would say hate adn fear won this election for Haliburton & co.--they got "I don't wanna look at homos" amendments on a lot of state ballots, drawing fearful Christian peoples out of their gated communities to defend hate. Eleven states have now added these amendments to their constitutions, proudly declaring, "Intolerance is inherent in our identity."
My work here in Ohio closed yesterday because we were all too depressed by the outcome of the election, and what it says about the people we interact with on a daily basis.
Anyone who wages a world-wide war against terrorism is seriously delusioned if they think they are gonna win, the man's an ass but from what I've heard he is still president. Get rid of him someone!!!!
I can't believe you just said that. I am hoping I just read that wrong and you weren't trying to imply its better to let another 9/11 happen than to lose troops in iraq because 9/11 killed people with jobs and not poor people.
yea, because killing poor people is preferable.
Ah politics! This is one reason why I want my own south pacific island nation! My flag would be simple.
A white background with the words "Are you dreaming?" written in blue.
The difference is one can defend themself and others cant. One is looking for people who want to hurt us and the others are not. One gets paid for it the others don't. Has nothing to do with anyone being poor.
For the last fucking time people: Iraq has no relationship whatsoever with 9/11 or Al-Quaeda, as per the Bush Administration, so not going to war with Iraq doesn't mean that the big bad terrorists would have stuck again. Instead of actually going after the people that have declared that they want to attack america(such as the still missing Osama bin Laden) they decide to completely selflessly "help" the poor poor fragile people of Iraq by bombing their country and killing their relatives and friends. I understand people die in wars, but I truly feel that one life is worth everything. And to declare war when there is no true reason to do so is just so a crime against humanity. Sometimes I see what's going on and I just want to cry...out of frustration and just how far off we've strayed from our nature. From everything that is good about humans, from all our potential. Instead we have become caught up in this idiotic game of bureocracy and policies and ideologies and money and so many other things, rather than just embracing we are all the same and want the same thing: To live. As happy and realized as possible.Quote:
Originally posted by Alric
I can't believe you just said that. I am hoping I just read that wrong and you weren't trying to imply its better to let another 9/11 happen than to lose troops in iraq because 9/11 killed people with jobs and not poor people.
It really pisses me off that the US think they are the saviors of the world and that with their "perfect" democracy and economy the world will be saved. Then again I wonder, what are we supposed to be saved from?
P.S. Alric...if you think that the cause of the U.S is so noble and so pure, why don't you go and enlist yourself? Are you ready to die to "save" Iraq? Are you ready to die for international policies? Are you ready to die for something that truly doesn't matter?
People aren't so bright when it comes to the reason why 9/11 happened in the first place. It's because of Israel...they are our 51st state (even Kerry's stepson said this)....they are our spoiled child...and it's funny but occassionaly the US even finds them spying on us!!! Haha...go figure. Anyway...what Bin Laden said in his tape was that if we do not chage our policies in the Middle East (meaning giving money and weapons to the Israelis to kill and wipe out the Palestinians from the face of the Earth) there WILL BE another 9/11...he made that clear. The American people do not know the REAL REASON why we were attacked...so they throw around this bullshit about "Freedom" and religion, when really it all comes down to Israel. There will be terrorists in the Middle East that want us dead as long as we are allowing the Israeli Occupation and slaughter of the Palestinian people...but you won't find this ANYWHERE in the Western media. So no one knows...it's sad. It's disgusting how ignorant Americans are, so they buy into the bullshit that 9/11 and Bin Laden are connected with Saddam and Iraq. So NOT TRUE. Bin Laden and Saddam didn't even LIKE each other. God...I'm tired of the ignorance. Whatever! 4 MORE YEARS! :shakehead2: :shakehead2: :shakehead2:
No problem. I'll be on a plane to the Netherlands as soon as possible. You'll pay for my airfare, won't you? I mean, since you want me out of YOUR country and all. And you'll pick up the tab to send all my belongings there, too? Wow... that's really sweet of you! I'll book the flight right now!Quote:
Originally posted by GestaltAlteration
If the countrys screwed to you, LEAVE. :shakehead2: *ish a bush support and is really tired of hearing this nonscence*
And by the way, Truthbearer lives up to his name. Iraq has nothing to do with what happened in September, 2001. Why don't people see that? Are you all so blinded by anger? True, Sadaam was an asshole that needed to be toppled from his self-proclaimed pedestal, but regardless it had nothing to do with September 11, 2001. For all of you who support Bush so wholeheartedly and blindly, I suggest you enlist into the military. Oh, and by the way, when you enlist you can only be Christian, Catholic, or Jewish because HE doesn't believe that any other religion is a valid one. Oh, and you're going to Iraq as soon as you get out of Basic. So get used to dodging bullets and falling asleep to the sounds of war, because that's exactly what you'll be doing. Get used to shooting women and children, because that's exactly what you will be doing. Get used to taking orders from a moron who can't even form a coherent sentance, because that's exactly what you'll be doing. Do you get the point now?
You know, I thought I lived in a free country where I could practice whatever religion that is in my heart and marry whom I choose to marry--be they male or female--and not worry whether my love for said person is "destroying the sancity of marriage". I thought I lived in a country that wouldn't allow a single man to take petty rivalries across the sea to kill, maim, and fuck the minds of thousands of our dear soldiers. Not to mention, kill and maim thousands of people that we don't even know! The general majority are so easily manipulated (just look at the media). It makes me sad and it makes me sick.
With the outcome of this election, I have lost all faith in the intelligence of the people of the United States. Granted Kerry wasn't much better a choice... Still, I had higher hopes for us.
Heh, move to Canada! You are all doomed with Bush! DOOMED! But I'm not sure if assassinating Bush would be good, because then we'd have 10 years of Cheney, and I think Cheney is an evil genious. But, it is too late now... :shakehead2:
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Originally posted by Gezus
Heh, move to Canada! You are all doomed with Bush! DOOMED! But I'm not sure if assassinating Bush would be good, because then we'd have 10 years of Cheney, and I think Cheney is an evil genious. But, it is too late now... :shakehead2:
Got room for a bunch of American refugees (think, like, half the population of the country) up there in good ol' Canada? :D
Not really, but there's prolly space up north in Nunavut and those cold places. No naked dancing under the moonlight there though... Most of the USA is filled with morons... I thought they would've learned from the 4 years of chaos with Dubya, but their very slow learners, maybe Dubya should have another 150,000 people killed? And after the 10 years of Cheney, Jeb, Dubya's brother, might become president... sending the US back where they started.
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Originally posted by A Lost Soul
Got room for a bunch of American refugees (think, like, half the population of the country) up there in good ol' Canada? :D
1. Breed, breed and breed some more, make lots more little democrats.
2. spread out move to a swing state.
You can't cop out the rest of the world depends on you to wrestle control back from the religious right wing!
All of us should really just wake up. But I just realized that Lucius is right. Like he said in the other thread, there's nothing we can do about it now except hope for the best. Bush is re-elected, that's a fact we can't change. It's not like us arguing here will actually change anything but make us mad at each other. So thank you Lucius for being the truly reasonable one. Let's all just sit back and see how this will all turn out. :wink:Quote:
Originally posted by Alric+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric)</div>Alric, Truth and Lost Soul are right, don't get Sadaam confused with Bin Laden. Sadaam wouldn't/couldn't have attacked the U.S., so your argument about we either attack Iraq or suffer terror casualties at home holds no weight.Quote:
Some people outside of the US have some huge egos. Where do they get off trying to tell the US what to do. They want the US to listen to them but they outright ignore us. It goes both ways you know. Its like with france, they actively try to undermind to the US and do us harm, then they cry that we ignore them. A lot of them are filling their pockets with blood money they got from starving the iraq people, and we are some how wrong for cutting them off? I think not. The rest of the world needs a slap in the face.[/b]
Since I'm too lazy to summerize my views spread over several topics, I'm just going to move what I said in other threads here so you put facts into another perspective for comparision. If the rest of the world needs a slap in the face, then the U.S. needs an extra hard slap in its face.
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I'll take the other side adidas, I guess to balance out the information presented here. People can judge for themselves. And I'm not going to directly bash Bush... It's really our whole mindset about the 'other' world that's wrong.
Sadaam was a bad man, but who's fault was it that he's still in power? If Bush Sr. had finished his war and done his job the first time around then none of this would have happened.
You know maybe we all need to think about our actions before we do them, and obviously America isn't. Maybe if we hadn't given weapons to Sadaam in the first place the insurgents wouldn't be using the same weapons agains us today. We brought him into power in the first place, supported him through the period of his worst crimes, and aided him in putting down the popular uprising following the Gulf War I. Now we need oil. So guess what Sadaam? Lights out for you. Let's just find some obsure link to the Al-Queda and make up some phantom WMDs so we can have a reason to attack you so we can steal that oil. Who cares if 90% of the world doesn't see why we should attack. Hell, we're America, we'll just do it unilaterally. After all, who's to stop us?
Maybe if we hadn't given the Afghans those weapons during the Cold War then they wouldn't be using those weapons against us. But we lowered ourselves down to supporting the worst and most inhumane of dictators like in Afghanistan just so we can expand our sphere of influence by a few more countries. Is that moral? I don't think so. The leaders that we have support and STILL support throughout the world are in many ways just as bad as Sadaam. But do we care? No, why? Cause they're the U.S.'s pawns. How can we talk about inhumaneness when the U.S. has been and still is now the leading small-arms dealer in the world? How can we take credit and tribulation for the wars and conflicts that we 'stop' when we fueled them in the first place?
We're screwed the Afghanis anyways when we found the new playground called Iraq. Instead of rebuilding like we promised, we've left the power to local warlords who are now ruling the nation by force. They're even worse off then when the Taliban was in control. Americans really should finish what they start. People will just hate us more now.
Humanitarian aid would be cool and all if that's truely how Bush and the government thinks. But face reality. It isn't. Why aren't we doing crap in Sudan? Cause they've got no resources that we can exploit. So we don't care. If Bush really cared troops would have been sent there months ago and maybe stopped the killing. After so eagerly invading Iraq, Bush seems very hesitant to do anything elsewhere. Why don't we take out the Israeli regime, whose occupation of Palestine has created a 'Hell on Earth' equal to or probably surpassing Saddam's terrors? Cause they're a 'democratic haven' and does anything we say as our base in the Middle East. Why don't we kill off the Chinese regime? Cause we need them for our economy to run. Why don't we take out the Colombian, Turkish, Saudi, and Egyptian regimes? No, we actually actively support each of these guys. Shows you how nice the U.S. really is.
Approximately 30,000 children per day are killed by starvation and preventable disease by IMF-mandated austerity programs. Guess who's in charge of the IMF and World Bank? The United States. That's right, we're personally overseeing these funds that should be going to feed starving, dying children and are instead transferring them to local warlords all around the world so they can buy more U.S. patented weapons and boost our economy. How's that for humanitarian aid?
Everyone should do some reading on just how bad it is in places where the U.S. spreads it's power to in name of 'democracy'. Rwanda in 1994, Jakarta in 1998, genocides, ethnic cleansing... and much much more. All caused by Uncle Sam himself. But the sad thing is that the U.S. never will acknowledge that maybe they're just pursuing foreign policy the wrong way. And the sadder thing is that no one is brave enough to point it out. This has made us more and more enemies. There are literally parts of the world that plain out HATE us. Terrorism has it's foundations in anti-Americanism. We've brought it on ourselves, now we have to sort it out. And I truly hope we can make it out alive.[/b]
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Look at the bright side. Atleast its not kerry!
The draft has very little chance of passing. HOWEVER, now that Bush doesn't have to worry about re-election there's a good chance that random crap like a draft (though maybe not explicitly) might find itself into our system.
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If everyone hates him WHY DID 60% OF AMERICANS VOTE FOR HIM?
You want to know why? It's not cause they love Bush. It's cause that many people hate Kerry, and the other 40% who voted for Kerry really just hate Bush. This election was based on which candidate screwed up the most in their past. The real issues weren't even considered by many Americans. I'm not saying that there aren't smart people in this country, I'm just saying there aren't a lot of smart people in this country. Instead of voting for who will secure the best future for our country, or who's policies make sense, people voted on who has a better war record, who lied less, who seems less stupid, and who has the more appealing wife to offer as America's first lady. You know what? That's all negative construction. We're picking a president, not figuring out who should go to heaven. That's the WRONG way to go about selecting a leader. Anyone can blow up another person's faults to hyper-proportions, no one's perfect. But the idea that those little details and inconsistencies are so important has built the mindset that we should reject the real issues. Like healthcare, the environment, and world stability.
You know I saw at my school last week a poll asking girls which presidental candidate they would more likely to date. No kidding. At face value that might seem like another useless teenage trivia just for fun, but it really strikes at the heart of matters, that people are evaluating Bush and Kerry on a totally superficial level. My school is a microcosm of American society. I bet so many people out there voted against Bush because he seems unintelligent, and I bet equally many people voted against Kerry because Bush just seemed like 'such a nice guy', and didn't have a rich foreigner with an accent for a wife.
Now those of you out there that actually reviewed the platforms, and thought through the policies, and then voted according to which one you truely believed will run this country better, then more power to you. This country needs more people like that. Unfortunately most others didn't. This last election was a travesty of democracy.
amen Lost soul
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Originally posted by Seeker
Ah politics! This is one reason why I want my own south pacific island nation! My flag would be simple.
A white background with the words \"Are you dreaming?\" written in blue.
*enter Philosophy Forum* Thank you for quoting my custom title. And btw, that has no direct relevance to the issue at hand. Anyway, as a Christian, I don\'t believe in throwing lives away. I believe that life does matter very much, in fact! However, I believe that in the long run we will have made a difference in Iraq. Since I'm no fortune teller I can't say for sure if everything we've done will be positive, but I do know that there are at least some people over there that are thankful for what's been done. To cover my backside, there is an opposing group that is not pleased with the changes, but that's not uncommon. We'll see in the years to come what will happen overall. I think that's a relatively neutral statement.Quote:
Originally posted by AcidBasik
This is why Christianity is such a terrible concept. You believe that when a person dies they are transported to an afterlife. You give away the lives of others because of this faulty idea. Not believing in God or an afterlife gives you a new perspective; that each life is important.
-Amé
P.S. Please don't insult Christianity. For me it's neither a crutch nor a club and it personally offends me. Your consideration is appreciated. :)
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No problem. I'll be on a plane to the Netherlands as soon as possible. You'll pay for my airfare, won't you? I mean, since you want me out of YOUR country and all. And you'll pick up the tab to send all my belongings there, too? Wow... that's really sweet of you! I'll book the flight right now!Quote:
If the countrys screwed to you, LEAVE. :shakehead2: *ish a bush support and is really tired of hearing this nonscence*
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:mad: You liberals are pissing my off so much!!! :mad: It makes it that much more worth it that i am joining the ARMY. Just to protect the Freedom of Speech you libs take for granted. And wherever you are finding your "facts" i need to see 2 sources on each. Why 2? because anyone can say things, if 2 people say something than its good enough for me. Waiting for the facts, Dooley Clovis
ok, what a picture you have painted for us all, except there's a flaw, HAVE YOU BEEN TO IRAQ? DO YOU KNOW THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE THERE? ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THE FACTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM? Do you know the level of intelligence needed to be an Officer in the Military? You libs infuriate me!!! :mad: all you do is listen to your punk music and never watch the news, I want to see the SOURCE where you found what religions Pres. Bush accepts as valid. You've dug quite a hole for yourself, have fun climbing out. Answer my questions, or we will all know you made up 80% percent of your statements. Down with Hillary Clinton. PETA (People for the Ethical Treament of the American People)Quote:
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And by the way, Truthbearer lives up to his name. Iraq has nothing to do with what happened in September, 2001. Why don't people see that? Are you all so blinded by anger? True, Sadaam was an asshole that needed to be toppled from his self-proclaimed pedestal, but regardless it had nothing to do with September 11, 2001. For all of you who support Bush so wholeheartedly and blindly, I suggest you enlist into the military. Oh, and by the way, when you enlist you can only be Christian, Catholic, or Jewish because HE doesn't believe that any other religion is a valid one. Oh, and you're going to Iraq as soon as you get out of Basic. So get used to dodging bullets and falling asleep to the sounds of war, because that's exactly what you'll be doing. Get used to shooting women and children, because that's exactly what you will be doing. Get used to taking orders from a moron who can't even form a coherent sentance, because that's exactly what you'll be doing. Do you get the point now?Quote:
If the countrys screwed to you, LEAVE. :shakehead2: *ish a bush support and is really tired of hearing this nonscence*
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Bush is in iraq defending Democracy, but backing a facist coup in Haiti. Stuff like that makes one question him, dont you think?
http://www.billwoodrow.com/img/jpg1/13.jpg
Explain his affiliation with this so called Group in Haiti
Quite a political thing going here. Okay, here's my rant (its due :P)
Remember, I'm south african, and neither liberal or communist or democratic... I'm way more complicated :P
First of all - no human government is perfect, or even workable. They never will be. The answer? Don't ask - its religious :P
However neutral I am to human governments, since they all suck, I do feel that the choice of president is important.
I don't vote, since voting to me is like saying 'This dude rocks! He's a great ruler'... and I simply cannot back a human ruler
Besides all that... Bush vs Kerry. My first beef is how america managed to give you guys a choice between a turd sandwich and a .. whatever it was...
They are both pathetic options
However... Bush seems the far more dangerous choice IMO
Nobody has mentioned Fahrenheit 9/11 - has anyone watched it?
A lot of it was hot air, and propaganda, however a lot of it was factual and to the point
Remember the part about the military advisors who advised Bush to bomb selected areas of Afghanistan (after 9/11)
Bush's reply? Something to the effect of 'There aren't any good spots to bomb in Afghanistan. Let's attack Iraq...'
WTF? Thats about as blatant as it gets...
Whoever mentioned about Israel being a USA 'spoilt child' and being the cause of all this, has got it on pat (IMO)
Iraq and Sadam has bugger-all to do with bin laden, and never did.
So Sadam is a bad ruler? Big deal - what makes the USA the hero?
And if they want a country to save - why not attack Mugabe in Zimbabwe instead
He's way more insane that Sadam !
If you really believe that attacking Iraq had anything do Sadam being a tyrant.... give me a break :shakehead2:
Is USA going to attack all 3rd world countries who have arseholes in power?
All human rulers are inadequate...
I said we are over there to keep people from driving car bombs into peoples houses, I didn't say it had anything to do with 9/11. You can say invading iraq doesn't help the war on terror except all the terrorist ran over to iraq and now we are fighting them over there. While we are killing them over there, they are not over here. Can they still get over here? Yea but its using up a ton of their resources there.
This has no use but raising peoples blood pressure :?
Wow, all of you (mostly underage it seems) liberals have a pretty f-ed up view of the world. You seem to think:
1- Bush singlehandedly "created" the war
2- The war in Iraq and the war on terrorism are the same
3- Saddam isn't as bad as the US government tells you
4- Bush is destroying the economy
5- 9/11 was a US government planned conspiracy
6- Iraq is worse off since the US went in
7- Bush believes human lives are worthless
8- Bush didn't win the election 4 years ago
Now I must warn the older people in this forum, I listen to punk music occasionally too. But I watch the news, read the paper, and think for myself. So here's some accurate information on the views that you liberals are holding:
1- Bush did not "create the war". It was proposed by him and his administration and then voted upon in the Senate. The Senate (including your democratic saviour Mr. John Kerry) voted to approve the war(s) by an overwhelming majority. They also voted to fund the war, well Kerry didn't, he thought the war itself was a good idea, but then changed his mind and decided that he didn't want to spend money on sending the troops food, equipment or medical supplies. The war initially began on good intelligence, it was only found out later that some of the information was flawed.
2- You liberals keep saying, "Saddam has nothing to do with the war on terrorism!!" Well you're right, thats because they are two different wars being waged simultaneously. The war against terrorism is going on in Afghanistan as we speak. Troops are still on the trail of Osama bin Laden. The war in Iraq began with the stated purpose to find and destroy WMDs in Iraq (the best information at the time told us that WMDs were present in the country or were being constructed/acquired) and to take out Saddam Hussein
3- I suggest you read this article: http://www.kurdmedia.com/reports.asp?id=2237
Over 40 similar mass graves have been uncovered in Iraq. He is a killer, he needed to be removed. If anything, Saddam is worse that than the US government tells you, and thats just the tip of the iceberg. It doesn't take much research to see what's going on there.
4- The economy was already headed into a recession when Bush took office. That combined with the largest ever attack on American soil and a number of huge corporate scandals (Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, etc.) led to a more profound drop in the state of the economy. The fact is that towards the last third of Bush's first term, jobs and the economy were growing at a record pace. Regarding the deficit, of course there's a deficit!! We're waging two wars at once!! Whether you agree with the war(s) or not, its still a fact that they are taking place. Wars require a lot of money, otherwise they will not be won. Would you rather lose the war and have a balanced economy or be in debt and win the war. I know what I would choose (Remember that not waging a war at all is not an option at this point).
5- I'm not even going to bother doing a blurb for this one, that claim is completely ludicrous.
6- See the previously mentioned article.
Are people still dieing in Iraq? Yes. But is the country a safer place? Yes, defenseless men, women and children are no longer being killed excecution style by Saddam's regime. The US is in the process of eliminating the insurgent threats and bringing Iraq to a peaceful state. Yes lives are currently being lost, thats how wars work, but the goal of war is to save many more lives in the future.
7- Again this claim is completely ludicrous. It doesn't take much intelligent thought to understand that that is a completely untrue statement.
8- In actuality, Bush did win the election four years ago. Did he win the popular vote? No. Does that matter? Not in the least. Yes the race was close in Florida and yes it did come down to the Supreme Court. That's how US democracy works. The purpose of the Supreme Court is to resolve issues such as that. Given all the information at their disposal (a lot more information than you or I have), they decided that even if a complete recount was conducted Bush would have still been victorious.
I encourage all of you, please get the facts before you start making wild claims of conspiracy, fraud and (as Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong might put it) "American Idiocy".
Don't tell us how our own country works. And that thing about the Iraq war, it's true it was partially nessacery, but he's spending billions over in some foriegn (did i spell that right?) country while he's own country's messed up.
Personally, I don't think the goverment is going to exactly cause America to collapse into a smoking pile of ash overnight. Nothing's perfect. Although they have caused a few major mess ups, yeah.
http://www.georgewbush.org/economy/quiz.asp
Most fun I've had today.
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Don't tell us how our own country works
I will agree with that.
Ok, first of all, who the hell are you? Second, I'm not a liberal, nor do I listen to punk music. And if I did, who gives a crap? So don't judge me.Quote:
Originally posted by DooleyClovis
ok, what a picture you have painted for us all, except there's a flaw, HAVE YOU BEEN TO IRAQ? DO YOU KNOW THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE THERE? ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT THE FACTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM? Do you know the level of intelligence needed to be an Officer in the Military? You libs infuriate me!!! :mad: all you do is listen to your punk music and never watch the news, I want to see the SOURCE where you found what religions Pres. Bush accepts as valid. You've dug quite a hole for yourself, have fun climbing out. Answer my questions, or we will all know you made up 80% percent of your statements. Down with Hillary Clinton. PETA (People for the Ethical Treament of the American People)
Second, if you had paid any attention at all to Bush's speeches, you would know that he wants to eliminate freedom of religion in the US. He has said, and I quote, "Witchcraft is not a valid religion..." and should not be allowed in the military.
Third of all, my brother (also a witch, by the way) was IN Iraq. Since you aren't in the army yet (unless I misread), chances are you don't know what went on there, do you? So how can you make a judgement? My brother HAS BEEN THERE and blessed be, he came back alive. I piss you off? People like you who make judgements without knowing what they are talking about piss ME off. Don't you DARE claim you know what went on there because NONE OF US DO except for those who were there to bear witness. There is a lot that went on that your precious media didn't tell you about.
But then again, I could have just made up 80% of this post because God Dooley, He Who Knows All, claimed I did.
Since people are throwing the "L" word around (liberal: now defined as a right-leaning moderate or anyone to his/her left), I'd like to point out that the Democrats are the conservative party in present-day American politics. Having been dragged to the center of the spectrum by the neo-con crusade's lurch to the right, the Democrats are the party seeking to shrink the government, balance the budget, and return to historically American values like non-aggression, individual liberty, non-discrimination, and seperation of church and state. The people now steering the Republican party, on the other hand, have a radical agenda for legislating "Christian" values (from the nuschool Christianity, enshrining the trinity of creationism, anti-abortionism, and sexism/homophobia), letting corporations dictate policy, and shooting first and asking questions later. Using the same propaganda methods as Hitler in the thirties, they tell us, "The enemy whose neck we've been standing on for centuries is here among us, trying to kill us!" and "We're doing it for Jesus!"
I know we're not deep into authoritarianism/fascism yet, but that's the direction we're headed, that's the sentiment this regime is stirring in the populace, and I'd rather put on the brakes before John Ashcroft makes me sew a Darwin-monkey patch on my sleeve.
*pulls out his soapbox and dusts it off*
*mumbles* Haven't use this in a while.
Well, now... for those of you who don’t know, I am A Lost Soul's brother. I have more of an educated answer to some of your questions and replies. I am in the U.S. Army. I went to Iraq, served on the frontlines with Marines. I am an air defense artilleryman, and I was watching the skies over the 1st Marine Expeditionary Unit.
First of all, name calling is going to get anyone anywhere, calling punk music listening liberals, seems to me kind of childish.
Another thing, if you are not in the armed forces, don’t use the excuse I am joining up, because you know nothing. You haven’t been anywhere, nor is the news keeping everyone in formed of what is going on. If you have a question about Iraq, ask someone who has been there. I am available through email, or at http://daeraug.deviantart.com . I even have pictures up there.
Iraq had little to do with Sept. 11th, and Saddam did have some chemical weapons. Remember those SCUDs that he supposedly destroyed. They weren’t they were the same that were fired at me there. Hell, I was on the wrong end of them and had a few land within a few kilometers of me.
Here is my take on it, yes those people needed help, and I was glad to help them. But the reasons that everyone told… I am not even going to get into that. They needed to be helped, unfortunately, they don’t want it. Therefore, I say leave them to themselves. They are not ready for our form of government and who am I to do so. They are not like us; they still behead people for crimes, and get this. A woman was stoned for adultery, but they man she supposedly slept with was acquitted for lack of evidence. Now tell me, how I see very different views, am going to tell these people how to live.
And here is another thing, Religion and States are supposed to be separate, yes? Well, it seems that while I am glad the president has his religion. He should not be reading over the air during a political speech. Nor should he knock other religions, calling them false or not legitimate. I am not trying to force my religion on others, but I do wish people to respect my belief. Witchcraft, or Wicca, is a religion. We do a have beliefs and laws that we follow. Just because I worship a Goddess doesn’t mean that I am not worthy of being able to use my 1st amendment right, Freedom of Religion. I fight for that right, been shot at for it. Why am I less deserving of having this right? Why?
This is my viewpoint, take it or leave it, but respect it. Just like you want your viewpoints respected. Now here is where I am going to get nasty. Do not be vulgar, and offensive to the people on this forum for there views. If you know something you may put it out, but if you don’t know something, don’t bullshit your way through an answer. It’s wrong and it’s showing that you can’t take adversity to your views well. Don’t act like the media lets you know everything that goes on either. I have a security clearance and more knowledge that goes on than most, but in that I am not allowed to disclose some of this. You don’t know everything that went on across the pond. You don’t know. Plain and simple.
Thank you.
*puts his soap box away*
So how about them Red Sox?
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calling punk music listening liberals,
Daeraug has humbled me a lot. I admit i don't know much, but of what i do know, i support Bush and what is happening in Iraq. I know a lot of what i said was a bunch of mud slinging. It was just I was just getting fired up about things i was reading. Well, oh yeah, not to be sassin off again, but can i see the source on when and where Bush said, whats it called, Wicca(is that it?) is not a religion. I just feel that in this country practices Religuos Tolerance, so if it isn't too much trouble, when and where did he say it? I want a source not your own words.
The question he was asked was...
"With religious diversity increasing, what are your thoughts on the protection of religious freedom and the separation of church and state? Should religions like Wicca be banned from recognition by the military, as some legislators suggest?"
"I am committed to the First Amendment principles of religious freedom, tolerance, and diversity. Whether Mormon, Methodist, Jewish, or Muslim, Americans should be able to participate in their constitutional free exercise of religion. I do not think witchcraft is a religion, and I do not think it is in any way appropriate for the U.S. military to promote it." ~George W. Bush, Year 2000 Election
http://www.religioustolerance.com/wic_pres.htm
That is the link to the site that I got it from. It lists its sources as well.
If anyone is curious about what exactly what wicca is. Try http://www.witchvox.com or http://www.religioustolerance.com/witchcra.htm
Knowledge is a good thing. Understanding other's beliefs helps you understand the person.
Daeraug, your posts are really informative, and hold their water as far as proper facts and not abstract floaty bullshit is concerned. Good job, post more. :P
what a moron it is a religion and it has supporters and churchs that prove as much
and well as American is know for Salem the town full of witchs (now)
...dear god i went there once it was cool but odd
bush is a moron.......
tolerance what a god damn hipacrite!
I don't know for sure, but i think Bush is Catholic. And he said that when he was governor. Is there any more recent info. Just Curious
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I am totally for Pres. Bush. Tell me at least 10 reasons why Bush should not be Re-elected :?
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#1. bush started a war on a country just because their leader picked on his dad
#2. bush is a idiot
#3 bush is stupid
#4 bush is irrisponsible
#5 bush is agaist gay rights
#6 bush put our country 7 trillion dollars in debt
need i say more????
That was a long time ago, and Bush already won the election. Probably watch the news.
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I am totally for Pres. Bush. Tell me at least 10 reasons why Bush should not be Re-elected :?
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#1. bush started a war on a country just because their leader picked on his dad
#2. bush is a idiot
#3 bush is stupid
#4 bush is irrisponsible
#5 bush is agaist gay rights
#6 bush put our country 7 trillion dollars in debt
need i say more????[/b]
Why is this rant continuing? Bush has won and doom is upon us, were lucky people can only be president for 8 years... unless they re-re-elect him like that guy during WWII, that would suck. I think Kerry wasn't so good either, but he beats the living crap out of Dubya. But what do I know, I live in Canada... :D Most, if not all, politicians are assholes anyway, it's just that Dubya is one of the worse of the lot.
what is so great about Kerry, praytell?
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Hmm, those are odd. Comical yes, true no.
Lol where did you manange to find those CT.
Yes actually you need four more answers to make ten. At least make an arguable debate. - stupid is as stupid does!! You can call anyone an idiot or stupid. Give me some smart feedback. Answers like that only prove that it is a good thing Bush was relelected.Quote:
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I am totally for Pres. Bush. Tell me at least 10 reasons why Bush should not be Re-elected :?
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#1. bush started a war on a country just because their leader picked on his dad
#2. bush is a idiot
#3 bush is stupid
#4 bush is irrisponsible
#5 bush is agaist gay rights
#6 bush put our country 7 trillion dollars in debt
need i say more????[/b]
***Also a word to the wise***
It is completley american to have & voice your opinion, however I do believe it is against the law to make any remarks concerning a threat against a government official. So please, when critisizing anyone in office - Keep it clean ;)
OMG Howetzer, you quoted Forrest Gump. LMAO!! :rolllaugh: :rolllaugh:
My mama always said, "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get." :wink:Quote:
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OMG Howetzer, you quoted Forrest Gump. LMAO!! :rolllaugh: :rolllaugh:
every time i hear that i think of ex laxQuote:
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OMG Howetzer, you quoted Forrest Gump. LMAO!! :rolllaugh: :rolllaugh:
Topic has been split from the point it went off track. Now we can continue to discussion about Bush.
I'll begin. I voted for the guy.
*hears harmonious angelic harp music from the heavens*
We are saved! :mrgreen:
Wasn't this post "If Bush wins... I'll kill myself"? Poor Ophelia has died, while all the moderators can think of is how the harmless word "kill" might somehow offend people... tell you what,m this topic has been going on for 8 pages now, I don't think anyone got offended.
p.s. I'm only typing this because I'm bored... I'm also a lunatic, so don't hold me responsible for my actions :mrgreen:
Thhhhhphrt, I changed it to "I'll *bleep* myself" for yuks.Quote:
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Wasn't this post \"If Bush wins... I'll kill myself\"? Poor Ophelia has died, while all the moderators can think of is how the harmless word \"kill\" might somehow offend people... tell you what,m this topic has been going on for 8 pages now, I don't think anyone got offended.
p.s. I'm only typing this because I'm bored... I'm also a lunatic, so don't hold me responsible for my actions :mrgreen:
Hey, you joined DV on National Coming Out Day. That's...........kinda cool.
Yes, I'll have another order of Gezus lunacy please.
HEh i'll *bleep* you! Would you *bleep* me? :wink: :smitten:Quote:
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Thhhhhphrt, I changed it to \"I'll *bleep* myself\" for yuks.Quote:
Wasn't this post \"If Bush wins... I'll kill myself\"? Poor Ophelia has died, while all the moderators can think of is how the harmless word \"kill\" might somehow offend people... tell you what,m this topic has been going on for 8 pages now, I don't think anyone got offended.
p.s. I'm only typing this because I'm bored... I'm also a lunatic, so don't hold me responsible for my actions :mrgreen:
Hey, you joined DV on National Coming Out Day. That's...........kinda cool.
Yes, I'll have another order of Gezus lunacy please.[/b]
Oh the pleasure would be all MINE CT. :ohyahbaby: :happyhappy: :sheepishgrin: :dreaming: :smitten:Quote:
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Wasn't this post \"If Bush wins... I'll kill myself\"? Poor Ophelia has died, while all the moderators can think of is how the harmless word \"kill\" might somehow offend people... tell you what,m this topic has been going on for 8 pages now, I don't think anyone got offended.
p.s. I'm only typing this because I'm bored... I'm also a lunatic, so don't hold me responsible for my actions :mrgreen:
Thhhhhphrt, I changed it to \"I'll *bleep* myself\" for yuks.
Hey, you joined DV on National Coming Out Day. That's...........kinda cool.
Yes, I'll have another order of Gezus lunacy please.
Geez.. I had such a horrible nightmare last night - some lunatic won the US elections.
Oh wait - that actually happened :shock: :!: :shakehead2:
Oh the pleasure would be all MINE CT. :ohyahbaby: :happyhappy: :sheepishgrin: :dreaming: :smitten:[/b][/quote]Oh noes! People are being *bleep*-ed left and right! :shocked:Quote:
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Wasn't this post \"If Bush wins... I'll kill myself\"? Poor Ophelia has died, while all the moderators can think of is how the harmless word \"kill\" might somehow offend people... tell you what,m this topic has been going on for 8 pages now, I don't think anyone got offended.
p.s. I'm only typing this because I'm bored... I'm also a lunatic, so don't hold me responsible for my actions :mrgreen:
Thhhhhphrt, I changed it to \"I'll *bleep* myself\" for yuks.
Hey, you joined DV on National Coming Out Day. That's...........kinda cool.
Yes, I'll have another order of Gezus lunacy please.
Before you know it people will be being *bleep*-ed by massive *bleep*s in the *bleep*!
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When something like this happens I like to quote a certain song by my favorite group:
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Hello...I'm trying to focus but my eyes deceive me
Focus....I'm witnessing history repeating...[/b]
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Thhhhhphrt, I changed it to \"I'll *bleep* myself\" for yuks.
Hey, you joined DV on National Coming Out Day. That's...........kinda cool.
Yes, I'll have another order of Gezus lunacy please.
yuks are like kicks and giggles
just for fun
personally i'll wouldnt mind being *bleep*-ed. Any takers?
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fine, i'll *bleep* myself then
Vox