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      Post Alabama Implements Fat Tax - Fines You For Being Fat

      August 26, 2008 — Obese Alabama state workers may soon pay a health insurance penalty for their excess pounds.

      Beginning in January 2009, state employees will be required to receive medical screenings for several conditions, including body mass index (BMI). Those who are considered obese — along with exhibiting other negative health factors — will have a year to get in shape.

      The penalty for failure? A $25 increase in their monthly insurance costs.

      Although critics view the penalty as a "fat tax," Alabama officials believe the new policies will result in fitter, healthier, and happier employees — as well as help reduce the state's mounting health care costs.

      "Our goal was to make our members aware of those risk factors," Deborah Unger, RN, clinical director for the Alabama State Employees Insurance Board in Montgomery, tells WebMD. "As long as you are aware and are doing something to correct it, there won't be a fee. We either do something to control claims costs or you pay the premium anyway."

      Alabama now ranks as the second most obese state in the U.S., according to the CDC — perhaps a clear sign that change is needed. In addition to BMI, the state will screen three additional criteria: cholesterol, blood pressure, and glucose levels. These four risk factors have consistently resulted in costly treatments for the state.

      Opponents of the Obesity Penalty

      While the plan might seem practical, some experts question whether paying a fee for being obese is the best motivator for overweight people.

      "We certainly wouldn't support these kinds of punitive measures," says Jeffrey Levi, PhD, executive director of Trust for America's Health and associate professor of health policy at George Washington University School of Public Health. "The successful measures by health plans focus on incentives rather than punishment."

      The Alabama requirements, Levi tells WebMD, could be interpreted as a genetic penalty for those who are predisposed to having extra weight or high cholesterol. Some people also require a variety of treatments or medications before finding one that is effective. Making those who fail pay from their pockets also places more economic pressure on them, he says, which could lead them to turn to cheaper, calorie-dense food.

      "We need to recognize the complexity of these things," Levi says. "Just addressing this through the health care system is insufficient. What are we doing about the workplace environment? What's served in state cafeterias and hospitals? We need to do the voluntary things first for people to be able to make healthy choices before forcing punitive measures."

      Alabama employees at risk will receive some help in their quest. The state is arranging programs with Weight Watchers and offering employees YMCA discounts. Information will also be available at behealthy.com, a Blue Cross-Blue Shield web site that provides online wellness tools and news.

      But the prime motivator for this policy is hefty health care costs. And the attitudes of employers and employees may reflect an ambition to help remove obesity from the equation.

      Employees and Employers: Seeking Obesity Solutions

      A recent survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago, partnered on the research with the George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services, showed that:

      * 80% of employees, regardless of weight, believe healthy lifestyles/weight management programs belong in the workplace.
      * 67% of employers are concerned about obesity's effect on medical claims expenses.
      * 93% of employers see obesity as a preventable condition and due to poor lifestyle choices.
      * Fewer than half of employers believe their company has given enough attention to the problem of obesity.

      Christy Ferguson, director of the STOP Obesity Alliance in Washington, D.C., which commissioned the survey, tells WebMD that while employers are eager to promote weight loss, only about a quarter of those surveyed believe financial penalties should be placed on those who have difficulty succeeding.

      "While employers and employees favor positive financial incentives, they oppose negative financial penalties," she says. "There's a strong support for the carrot, so to speak, and not-so-strong support for the stick."

      Key in all of these programs and findings is that shedding excess pounds is intrinsic to good health. But does thin and trim always equal fit and healthy?

      A report released this month by The Archives of Internal Medicine, which weighed cardiometabolic risk factors vs. weight, revealed that among the 5,440 participants — U.S. adults 20 years old and older — 23.5% of "normal weight" adults were metabolically abnormal. Conversely, 51.3% of adults deemed overweight and 31.7% classified as obese were declared "metabolically healthy."

      Lifestyle and activity levels certainly vary between individuals, but the link between weight and health doesn't appear to be absolute. And unlike many conditions which remain discrete, obesity is on full display.

      "I don't think we can arbitrarily pick out one specific set of people with health risks," San Francisco internist Ann Haiden, MD, tells WebMD. "There is evidence that fit people with a little excess weight can actually be healthier than unhealthy normal-weight people. What we don't need is for a policy like this to turn into yet another reason to exclude as many people as possible from the insurance pool."

      Even with a $25 monthly bill, Alabama state workers boast a plum health care plan. Single state employees pay no insurance fees, Unger says, while family plans — which can include a spouse and several children — only cost $180 per month. Spouses and children of state workers will not be subject to the wellness screenings.

      Legally, these new protocols could face few serious threats.

      Myra Creighton, an Atlanta labor and employment attorney who specializes in health-related issues, says many people are unsympathetic to obese individuals, which could make civil liberties organizations reluctant to pursue opposition. Michigan, she says, is the only state where weight is categorized as a protected class for workers.

      Ethical Issues of Penalty Proposal

      Still, she does question certain ethical aspects of these actions.

      "Do I have any privacy interests in my body weight?" Creighton says. "I'm just glad my firm doesn't require me to hop on a scale."

      While the converted are often the most zealous agents for change, one Alabama resident who triumphed against the scale finds the state requirements somewhat troubling.

      Enterprise, Ala.-resident Roger Shultz, this year's runner-up on the NBC TV show The Biggest Loser, nearly cut his formerly obese physique in half while appearing on the show. Shultz, who lost 164 pounds, has kept his 6-foot-3-inch frame at a lean 222 pounds since the show ended. He's now a spokesman for Scale Back Alabama, a state-sponsored campaign that promotes weight loss and exercise.

      Keeping trim in Alabama is sometimes challenging: "We deep-fry everything," he tells WebMD. But instituting fines for failing doesn't seem like the right step to him.

      "I worked for a state institution and I'd hate to see something monetarily taken away from me," says, Shultz, who was employed at two Alabama colleges. "We have to be healthy, but I don't think you should penalize people for being heavy."

      SOURCES:

      Jeffrey Levi, PhD, executive director, Trust for America's Health; associate professor of health policy, George Washington University School of Public Health, Washington, D.C.

      Deborah Unger, clinical director, Alabama State Employees Insurance Board, Montgomery. Press-Register: "State does poor in obesity survey."

      CDC: "U.S. Obesity Trends 1985-2007."

      "Costs Driving Employer Action Against Obesity," National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago in conjunction with The George Washington University School of Public Health and Health Services.

      Christy Ferguson, director, STOP Obesity Alliance, Washington, D.C.

      Wildman, R. Archives of Internal Medicine, Aug. 11/25, 2008; vol 168: pp 1617-1624.

      Ann Haiden, MD, internist, San Francisco.

      The New York Times: "Better to be fat and fit than skinny and unfit."

      Roger Shultz, runner-up, NBC's The Biggest Loser, Enterprise, Ala.
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      wow... that is such a stupid tax. There should be a tax made for stupid people.... Stupid Tax.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Man of Shred View Post
      wow... that is such a stupid tax. There should be a tax made for stupid people.... Stupid Tax.
      That would be difficult to enforce. Those administering the tax would have to pay it.
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      It's utterly misleading to call it a tax. It's a change in the health policy for state employees. To be honest, I'm surprised to learn that this policy isn't already in place. Health plan rates already depend on several indicators of health, such as age, occupation, whether you smoke, etc. Puzzling that BMI wasn't already something they took into account, as its a major predictor of several chronic diseases.

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      Too many obese people in the world, i guess this is their way of trying to get people healthy again.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DuB View Post
      It's utterly misleading to call it a tax. It's a change in the health policy for state employees.
      Meh, not one to pick at details but...most are calling it a tax. Including the LA times. Though I think it's just a word they use (as I did) in headlines to grab the readers attention.

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      I hardly think it's an inconsequential detail. "Tax" is a loaded word, especially in America. There's nothing inherently wrong with using a loaded word in a situation where that's the most accurate or appropriate description -- but this policy is not a tax! Calling it a tax clouds the issue and is a hindrance to properly evaluating it. It's irresponsible.

      Edit: To be clear, I'm not blaming you, Jeff, for calling it a tax. As you pointed out, you aren't the one who started pinning that label on it and you shouldn't be held accountable. I'm just lamenting that it's been done at all, since many people won't know or care to look past it as a "fat tax."
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      Quote Originally Posted by DuB View Post
      I hardly think it's an inconsequential detail. "Tax" is a loaded word, especially in America. There's nothing inherently wrong with using a loaded word in a situation where that's the most accurate or appropriate description -- but this policy is not a tax! Calling it a tax clouds the issue and is a hindrance to properly evaluating it. It's irresponsible.

      Edit: To be clear, I'm not blaming you, Jeff, for calling it a tax. As you pointed out, you aren't the one who started pinning that label on it and you shouldn't be held accountable. I'm just lamenting that it's been done at all, since many people won't know or care to look past it as a "fat tax."
      No harm bro. From that perspective, I can understand what you are saying and would have to agree with you.
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      As someone who's not in the "average height:weight ratio" I'd hate to be charged extra just because I have a little extra padding. Personally, I just feel that this policy could set a bad precedent for future policies, especially if the whole government-run health care program(s) goes into effect. Will I be taxed extra because my BMI's a little high?

      Also, keep in mind that what is being purchased at stores is more often than not being tracked. Safeway, Albertson's, and Costco are just a few stored which require a membership in order to receive their discounts. Whenever you plug in your phone number or hand them the membership card, everything you buy is recorded. It stands to reason that whatever you use your credit card to purchase can be recorded as well. "They" know what we're eating, so I don't think it's too far-fetched that if this precedent holds, the "unhealthy" items we purchase will be used against us, either through fining us or something along those lines. Call me a bit doom-and-gloom, but I simply see too much regulation bearing down on us if things continue in the direction they're going.

      Enterprise, Ala.-resident Roger Shultz, this year's runner-up on the NBC TV show The Biggest Loser, nearly cut his formerly obese physique in half while appearing on the show. Shultz, who lost 164 pounds, has kept his 6-foot-3-inch frame at a lean 222 pounds since the show ended. He's now a spokesman for Scale Back Alabama, a state-sponsored campaign that promotes weight loss and exercise.

      Keeping trim in Alabama is sometimes challenging: "We deep-fry everything," he tells WebMD. But instituting fines for failing doesn't seem like the right step to him.

      "I worked for a state institution and I'd hate to see something monetarily taken away from me," says, Shultz, who was employed at two Alabama colleges. "We have to be healthy, but I don't think you should penalize people for being heavy."
      I was just telling my mother that I'd probably be more motivated to lose weight and keep it off if I had millions of national and international viewers watching me. Having eyes (or a camera) on you all the time would be a powerful motivator. At any rate, I agree with the last sentence I quoted.

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      That's the best state to do it in, they're going to make a fortune

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      Quote Originally Posted by Amethyst Star View Post
      Will I be taxed extra because my BMI's a little high?
      Taxed? No.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DuB View Post
      Taxed? No.
      I don't want to make a long post about it, but I was saying that if government-run health care became a reality, with money coming out of our taxes to pay for it, would I then be taxed for having a high BMI?

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      My first reply was adamant that it's not a tax just because the government happens to be the provider. But upon further reflection I suppose it's not unreasonable to define a tax simply as any money that you give to the government, period. I don't personally see purchasing a health plan as a form of tax, but if you use tax in the general definition above then I suppose it would be.

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      I agree with DuB - this is just a loading on a premium, just like a loading would be applied to a smoker for example. I cannot believe it's not already done. Any heath insurance policy taken out would use BMI as a measure for premiums. An increase in BMI, whether it be muscle or fat puts extra strain on the heart, causing increased vulnerability to heart disease and the like. It's just been called a 'tax' to add to the drama.

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      There are 3 solutions to the fat people and healthcare problem.

      Someone else pays extra because you are fat

      You and someone else share the burden of extra cost because you are fat.

      You pay more because you are fat.

      If you complain about this policy, you are essentially saying that someone else should take the extra monetary burden caused by obesity. Somebody has to pay the bills. And if it's public healthcare, it would be the taxman. Why should the taxman have to pay extra because you are fat and you pay nothing?


      This solution is fine. You subsidize the cost of taking care of yourself because you are fat.

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      The thing that forces me to oppose this is the fact that lines will be crossed. Which lines? Namely the line between "overweight" and "obese" - two states which are completely different. This sort of thing will affect the overweight as well as the obese...something that is really unacceptable given the fact that overweight people really don't inconvenience society in any way, whereas obese people do with their electric wheelchairs, etc.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lëzen View Post
      The thing that forces me to oppose this is the fact that lines will be crossed. Which lines? Namely the line between "overweight" and "obese" - two states which are completely different. This sort of thing will affect the overweight as well as the obese...something that is really unacceptable given the fact that overweight people really don't inconvenience society in any way, whereas obese people do with their electric wheelchairs, etc.
      If they're basing it off of BMI, then overweight would equal to 25.0 to 29.9, and obese would equal to 30.0 to 39.9, with morbidly obese being 40.0 and higher. And since it's only targeted at the obese, anyone in the >=25.0 to 29.9 range won't have to pay extra on their premiums.


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