Society

Heya guys,

btw this is my first post ever i'm a fresh member.
I just thought, whatever toughts lead me to this site should be how i start off on my hopefully succesful journey to Controlling my dreams.

So anyways, how ****ed up is society nowadays right ? think of what humans could achieve just through communication, and opening up, instead of pressing down thoughts and emotions that are not "socially accepted". I mean seriously this might sound weird but have you ever had a conversation (most possibly drunk or on influence,lol) that made you go like wow, actually the mind can go pretty far and should everybody just chill the F down and think positively and be like F the money and all the social structures like "i gotta be important at the expense of other's" .

Wow i could get carried away here,i guess what i'm trying to ask is, does anyone else think humanity could do such much better, and not in an idealistic way but, if you think about it you can't deny that there is actually nothing stopping us humans from being kind and blablabla (you know) to eachother, is it not your own damn choice how you act to someone, i mean, you know ?

lol,
anyone else have / ever had this thought that it would be/ could be possible that a lot of bad stuff wouldn't happen and damn could i say it any cheaper , we could all be friends ?

LOL at my own post for this... i thought i would never wright this down. let alone stand in public

i'll be your friend :D

do you happen to be an aquarius? i am and i tend to think a lot about this... my whole university career seems to be based on my beliefs on the ways in which nature and indigenous cultures are marginalized by modernity, and how the entire planet is screwed and human potential is hindered as a result.

oh, and nice way to make your first post. ha.

Wow (there is hope, even if a bit)

wasn't expecting to get any decent answer here, but i did , thanks.
BTW correction: not like i was 'looking for a friend" but you obviously understood what i meant so it's cool :D

Exactly though, i didn't express that specific thought but you brought my intention to words, human potential is so hindered, and it's like nobody even knows or realises what we could be. what this world, this life, could be, and actually , it could really be very close to perfect, no screw that, it could be perfect, there is nothing stopping us, is there ?

agree cygnus ?

btw i'm no aquarius , my mother is though.

" Nice way to make your first post" ===> ya think ? :D ;)

Man this world just makes me want 2 scream, you know ? lol

You'll learn to blank out the bad bits and just smile at the good bits.

I mean, theoretically I could be saving or improving someone's life right now. Instead I'm Sabrina the Teenage Witch'ing it up like I'm some kind of nostalgia whore.

It's probably because I'm a Gemini.

See i get that but, blanking the bad bits just isn't enough after some time you know?
I was, anyway just wondering if anyone ever thought about how much more we could be...

i was just curious about the astrology thing because i've been learning about that recently. also because i think that people have different stored karma (which is sometimes a topic in esoteric astrology) and there are a lot of things that influence the way people perceive themselves and their surroundings. people want different things in life and have different intentions, and you can see patterns throughout history of how the collective unconscious shifted in human populations. past conditions bring about current effects, which set the stage for future conditions and effects.

so the reason for things being the way you mentioned can be traced back in time, but because of the many converging elements it's more like a correlation than causation.

this means that everything is connected to everything else and you can't isolate a single event from its context.

so if i want to know why there is urbanization or deforestation i have to know how utilitarianism arose, how cultures were dominant/dominated and so on.

you used the word 'perfection' but i'd rather use 'balance.' nature provides everything we need, but there are so many factors obscuring this connection; we have such developed minds, but we still create new things without considering their implications. material development easily outpaces the environment's capacity to replace the damage it does if it is allowed to.

and on the topic of spiritual development or compassion for life in general, we exist so much in an anthropomorphized setting that we operate more in that realm than where you will truly find humanity and universality.

You make sense,cygnus, still the tought captivates me and it won't leave my mind...

another thing tho, since you're such a great responsegiver, check out my Lucid experiences post ... i could use serious oppinions.

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Originally Posted by Siиdяed

You'll learn to blank out the bad bits and just smile at the good bits.

I mean, theoretically I could be saving or improving someone's life right now. Instead I'm Sabrina the Teenage Witch'ing it up like I'm some kind of nostalgia whore.

It's probably because I'm a Gemini.

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sounds like it. geminis don't like to get involved in other people's problems ;)
ha that made me laugh.

Hah. Society. Look where it got us. I don't know about you, but I don't see nature anymore. I just see powerhungry and profithungry capitalists exploiting the heck out of the planet, people continuing not to question social standards, fundamentalism, poverty, wage slavery. I'm forced to work or I will starve to death. The world is sick and nobody seems to notice. Society sickens the heck of me.

Indeed, humans could do so much better, if it wasn't for greed.

Thank you, some comfirmation

Ah, yes, you'll fit right in here :lol:

Check out Extended Discussion, you'll enjoy it.

And yes I agree about pretty much everything you said.

Have you ever seen the documentary "Future by Design" ?
If not you should check it out. It's about a "perfect/utopian" world which is achievable right now with our technology. This proposed society has no government and no money. Education is free and people work in areas that they have an interest in instead of "jobs they hate to buy shit they don't need".

Basically this society would allow every human to reach their full potential if they so desire. There are actually little trials of this going on around the world. Basically self-sustaining mini society's.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Ah, yes, you'll fit right in here :lol:

Check out Extended Discussion, you'll enjoy it.

And yes I agree about pretty much everything you said.

Have you ever seen the documentary "Future by Design" ?
If not you should check it out. It's about a "perfect/utopian" world which is achievable right now with our technology. This proposed society has no government and no money. Education is free and people work in areas that they have an interest in instead of "jobs they hate to buy shit they don't need".

Basically this society would allow every human to reach their full potential if they so desire. There are actually little trials of this going on around the world. Basically self-sustaining mini society's.

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omg tommo, you just described the star trek: the next generation world.

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Originally Posted by cygnus

sounds like it. geminis don't like to get involved in other people's problems ;)

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So there are basically only twelve different types of people in the world.

Mm.

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Originally Posted by LostKiddo

Wow i could get carried away here,i guess what i'm trying to ask is, does anyone else think humanity could do such much better, and not in an idealistic way but, if you think about it you can't deny that there is actually nothing stopping us humans from being kind and blablabla (you know) to eachother, is it not your own damn choice how you act to someone, i mean, you know ?

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This is actually it. There are things stopping us from being kind to each other. If there was nothing stopping us we would, right?

From my perspective, the problem the problem is the The Psycho-Social, Chemical, Biological & Electro Magnetic Manipulation Of Human Consciousness. What I mean by this is that religion and government are the problem. These institutions use fear to control people. Fear creates stress, and stress causes people to rush around never stopping to reflect what it is they are doing or how they are doing it. Thus they can act like a total dick, but from their perspective they are totally justified because of the amount of stress they feel.

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Originally Posted by Siиdяed

So there are basically only twelve different types of people in the world.

Mm.

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haha. well a lot of people think you only have a sun sign, but you also have a rising, moon, and planetary signs, among others. so everyone has a unique combination and dominants but there are patterns.

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Originally Posted by cygnus

omg tommo, you just described the star trek: the next generation world.

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Never heard of it. If it good or bad? I need to know how to respond to that lol

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Originally Posted by tommo

Never heard of it. If it good or bad? I need to know how to respond to that lol

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haha :D

well, in that world...
in the early to mid 21st century the world's economic systems are altered dramatically, to the point where everyone's physical needs are met. though technology continues to develop rapidly, there is more of a return to symbiosis between the natural world and people in populated areas; there is a shift from desiring money (and exploiting nature to accomplish all that that encompasses), to seeking knowledge and exploring the galaxy.

so yeah, similar to what you were talking about.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Ah, yes, you'll fit right in here :lol:

Check out Extended Discussion, you'll enjoy it.

And yes I agree about pretty much everything you said.

Have you ever seen the documentary "Future by Design" ?
If not you should check it out. It's about a "perfect/utopian" world which is achievable right now with our technology. This proposed society has no government and no money. Education is free and people work in areas that they have an interest in instead of "jobs they hate to buy shit they don't need".

Basically this society would allow every human to reach their full potential if they so desire. There are actually little trials of this going on around the world. Basically self-sustaining mini society's.

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*Fanks* :D

It's good to know some people agree on the fact that we *COULD*, was it not for some structures mankind made up.

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Originally Posted by stonedape

What I mean by this is that religion and government are the problem. These institutions use fear to control people. Fear creates stress, and stress causes people to rush around never stopping to reflect what it is they are doing or how they are doing it. Thus they can act like a total dick, but from their perspective they are totally justified because of the amount of stress they feel.

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That actually comes down to what I said all over, there is nothing stopping us, the institutions are often used as an excuse, even though in most cases, yes, they induce fear and justify a lot of people's behaviour, but there is no force actually holding us back. and no force to oversee these institutions do what they do, they could just *not* do it and *not* fucking induce all the stuff they induce and btw government and these institutions are not 100% of the factor to blame, they too are affected by all the social bullshit everyone is made to believe, ... i dunno you see where I'm going with this ?
plz say yes :D

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Originally Posted by LostKiddo

That actually comes down to what I said all over, there is nothing stopping us, the institutions are often used as an excuse, even though in most cases, yes, they induce fear and justify a lot of people's behaviour, but there is no force actually holding us back. and no force to oversee these institutions do what they do, they could just *not* do it and *not* fucking induce all the stuff they induce and btw government and these institutions are not 100% of the factor to blame, they too are affected by all the social bullshit everyone is made to believe, ... i dunno you see where I'm going with this ?
plz say yes :D

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Who makes them believe it? Religions, Government, and last but not least Gangster Rap. Maybe if you define what social bullshit is I could better understand what your saying. I think that governments and religions invented all this social bullshit.

However, I do see what you are saying, I was just trying to explain why it is that society is royally fucked. There is a reason, society does not defy causality.

What I'm trying to point out is that there is a reason why society is fucked. What your saying is let's do what we would do if there was no problem and the problem will go away. I used to believe this, but I realize now that things don't work like that.

Saying we should all just be nicer to each other is like farting in the wind. It feels good, but accomplishes nothing.

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Originally Posted by stonedape

Saying we should all just be nicer to each other is like farting in the wind. It feels good, but accomplishes nothing.

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True dat, it's not like i go around peacemakin', on the contrary i get in fights constantly and shit and get to maniac-screaming-fightin' and shit in town frequently (see i got bad habits and addictions and my circle isn't all too nice) , but still i'm like... man if all this shit could just stop.