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      Acetylcholine

      Hey guys,
      So I have recently been researching Acetylcholine. I hear it is an effective lucid
      aid as it is one of the most prominent neurotransmitters. I also noticed some of
      the effects of an Acetylcholine deficiency hit pretty close to home so I'm thinking
      of getting an ACh supplement, it may help me with more than just lucid dreaming.
      What would you guys suggest? What should I get and how much should I take?

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      Robert A. Monroe notes it as an unknown variable in what may have caused his spontaneous start of lifelong WILDs (or OBEs as he calls them).

      I have always been very curious about it, but never came across it as a supplement. I believe he inhaled it by accident.

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      From Journeys Out Of The Body;
      Quote Originally Posted by Robert A. Monroe
      There were no other physiological changes significant enough to be
      recalled consciously. The only above-ordinary nutritional factor was
      that of vitamin intake. Since my wife believed strongly in nutrition,
      daily dosages of vitamins A, B complex, C, and E, plus mineral tablets,
      had been a norm for several years. Again, a cumulative effect could have
      been the cause, but no reports or research studies indicated any factors
      resembling the Second State. Other than this, a normal diet was the
      rule, with no major changes for five years at the least.

      At the psychological and physical activity levels, there is much to be
      noted. It is quite conceivable that the causes of the phenomenon lie
      here.

      The first consideration might be termed the anesthesia episode, which
      took place some six months prior to the first symptom. The beginning
      came when I noticed an unusual "heady" effect from the fumes of a gallon
      can of contact cement. I was installing a cubbyhole desk top in the wall
      of a bedroom at home when I became aware of the sensation. The can
      clearly stated on the lid that the cement should be used in wellventilated areas.
      I correctly assumed that this was a fire-hazard warning from the manufacturers.

      The sensation reminded me of the strange effect I had experienced in the
      past just as I was "going under" from anesthesia. Curious, I
      experimented with the effect of the fumes a number of times in the
      following month, with very significant results. Upon learning that the
      fuming agents were toluol (a common commercial hydrocarbon detergent)
      and acetone (once used as anesthetic), I made several experiments with
      the subjective effects of light anesthesia, utilizing a less volatile
      and relatively safe inhalant, Trilene. In retrospect, the results of
      these experiments seem to parallel closely the reports of those who have
      undertaken the LSD experience. Intensely vital and not at all
      unpleasant, the effects may well have triggered an inner desire or need
      for experiences beyond those I had had to that date. Reluctantly, I
      stopped the experiments, as there seemed inherent dangers of
      physiological side effects
      if they were continued.
      Quote Originally Posted by Robert A. Monroe
      Some three months after this "drug" experience, which by then was
      almost forgotten, I developed an interest in the possibilities of data learning
      during sleep. I do not know what brought about this interest. Perhaps it
      was an outgrowth of an early academic environment coupled with my
      immediate observation of the teaching methods applied in the primary
      grades to my own children.

      To explore the potential of this interest, I made some studies of past
      and present concepts of the waking-unconscious mind. There was
      supporting evidence that the unconscious recorded all sensory input data
      while awake and asleep. The problem was to introduce intelligent and
      organized data during sleep and to provide conscious recall when
      desired.

      The limited formal research material available showed contradictory
      conclusions. Simple reading of data to a sleeping subject produced only
      fragmentary and erratic results. No comparative studies between
      induction during deep (delta) sleep and the dreaming state (now termed
      REM sleep) had been made. Nor had any attempt been made to create
      deliberately a receptive sleep state with a Pavlovian type of
      conditioned reflex induced to bring recall at will.

      To carry out this research in a convenient pattern, I made autohypnotic
      sound recordings to test various approaches to a workable technique.
      This seemed to be the first logical step, as results had been obtained
      along similar lines utilizing hypnotic sleep instead of the natural
      sleep state. The reason for the use of tape recordings was to
      depersonalize the technique and to ensure identical tests among
      different subjects. The tapes were designed for use in a booth isolated
      from light and sound.

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      Thats acetone not acetylcholine. lol

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      Interesting. Looks like it has a building block that could be used to make the neurotransmitter?



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      Quote Originally Posted by IAmCoder View Post
      Interesting. Looks like it has a building block that could be used to make the neurotransmitter?


      You'd have to break that carbon bond though... Acetate would be more like it:
      Acetate


      +

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      Acetylcholine is synthesized in the body. You can take Choline and B5 supplements to increase the "raw materials" in the body and thus increase acetylcholine production. Galantamine is also useful as it inhibits the enzymes which metabolize acetylcholine thus increasing ACh concentrations in the brain and nerves.

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