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      which racetam to use with galantamind

      Does anyone know which is the best racetam to use with galantamind. I know everyone here suggests paracetam but l've been checking and there are about five strains of this. Pramrecetam seems to be much better from what l can see.
      Has anyone ordered anything from intellimeds.co.uk

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      Thomas Yuschak in his book The power of supplement mentions also two other racetams, that may work similartly as Piracetam. But he says: 'Not all nootropics are created equal however and Piracetam is the only one that I have found in which there is an abundant amount research on how it affects the cholinergic system (acetylcholine)". I guess, that's why he recommends Piracetam to be used to "reduce desensitization of acetylcholine receptors and for this reason it allows for more frequent lucid dream attempts when used correctly".

      You want to use it to counteract Galantamine, right? I got some from Amazon, it's called Piracetam.

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      Thanx for replying Gab.
      l did some googling and it seems that Pramiracetam is the best derivative from Paracetam [which is illegal here anyway - uk. So, l can't get that].
      Pramiracetam is about 8-30 times more powerful than Paracetam [l'll only be taking about half a tab]. lt's said to have a better effect than Parecetam as well.
      Yes i want it because it's suppose to rid the system of Galantamine so we don't become tolerant to it. But, Pramiracetam also has other benefits too, of course.
      l ordered some today, as it happens and Alpha-GPC for the choline.

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      I would be careful using anything else, than what is mentioned in his book. As he says, he uses Piracetam, because there is lots of research about it. So there may not be enough research about the drug you are talking about. Please reconsider.

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      Thanks for the warning Gab. l have looked around and everyone l've come across [on several forums etc] who has used Pramirecetam says it's the best.
      Here's what is said about it on the website l'm buying from:
      The technical term for smart drugs is nootropics, which are a group of health supplements which are purported to increase cognitive ability, intelligence, memory, and general brain function.
      As an analogue to piracetam, it is considered that pramiracetam is virtually non-toxic, non addictive, has very few side effects, and enhances verbal memory. Nonetheless, unlike piracetam there have been fewer clinical trials and research into the affects of Pramiracetam, however it is widely considered to be considerably more potent than piracetam, and users of pramiracetam generally report that it improves memory, alertness, and congnitive function.

      Several studies have shown that unlike the first generation of racetams (piracetam, oxiracetam, and aniracetam), pramiracetam also has a positive effect on mood, and acts as a mild antidepressant. It also has a mild sedative effect which does not affect the activity of the autonomous nervous system.

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      OK, could be, that the pramiracetam was not available when Yuschak was doing his experiments. Or, he didn't need anything more potent than Piracetam.

      Not sure if you are using 5-HTP. Since it is used also as an antidepressant, ( I use it to get REM rebound effect), and so is Pramiracetam, they should not be taken at the same time/same day.

      Good luck to you

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      I generally stick with Piracetam, L-Theanine and Choline Bitartrate and have been experiencing extremely detailed dreams (even more so than I have naturally). As to Pramiracetam I've heard it can cause a few side effects, I can't remember all of them off the top of my head but I believe anxiety, nausea and insomnia are some of them.

      Besides as previously mentioned Piracetam has plenty of research available on it, how it works, what areas of the brain it stimulates and other effects it causes.
      "It isn't your destination that others will look at and take notice of,"
      "but how you got there."

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      I've been having lucid dreams with use of Source Naturals Vinpocetine + Neuro Boost Piracetam with a cholinergic source from time to time. The lucid dreams are intense, but I have been enjoying them to say the least. I would recommend using small amounts of Piracetam (maybe 2,400mg per session). Galantamine has been stated to increase the concentration of ACh within the human brain while Piracetam stimualtes the ACh receptors. I believe the synergy will work out to a positive result or outcome. good luck

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      Quote Originally Posted by TonyHChan View Post
      I've been having lucid dreams with use of Source Naturals Vinpocetine + Neuro Boost Piracetam with a cholinergic source from time to time. The lucid dreams are intense, but I have been enjoying them to say the least. I would recommend using small amounts of Piracetam (maybe 2,400mg per session). Galantamine has been stated to increase the concentration of ACh within the human brain while Piracetam stimualtes the ACh receptors. I believe the synergy will work out to a positive result or outcome. good luck
      I believe Piracetam is used to counteract the effect of choline, so you don't get used to it. This is from book Power of supplements by Yuschak:

      'Piracetam is a very important substance the lucid dreamer has at their disposal, but not for the reasons you might think. Piracetam does not enhance dreaming (or lucid dreaming) at all; in fact it has proven to significantly suppress dreaming. If you would like to prove this to yourself take a healthy dose of Piracetam along with Galantamine (which has a profound effect on dreaming)and see if you can even remember having any dreams. Piracetam however, reduces desensitization of the acetylcholine receptors and for this reason it allows for more frequent lucid dream attempts when used correctly.'

      I personally take Piracetam whne I wake up after I took Galantamine with choline to reduce desensitization.

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      I've heard conversations with nootropic guys who swear that 'oxiracetam' is the best of them, again, probably between 4-8 times stronger than piracetam, but this is totally just hearsay. The guys did seem quite thorough and literate with their nootropic and medical journal research though.

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