Advanced Supplement Mix, So far working every time

**Dewayne** · 11-11-2013 09:43 AM

Hey everyone, I haven't posted here in awhile but I thought I'd share something interesting that i've been toying with.

When I first learned about lucid dreaming I did lots of research and read lots of formal studies about lucid dreaming, some of which were about things like Galantamine. I remember reading a double blind study that more or less showed that galantamine increased the prevalence of lucid dreams (among lucid dreamers) by about 12%.

I know there are many factors and beliefs at play here, but I believe that it is possible to accumulate various factors known to increase the odds of having a lucid dream on a given night and move them nearly to 100%.

I know there are several things that are known (proven) to increase the likely hood of LDing. WBTB, REM Rebound, and Galantamine. I am combining all of these things at once. I have only tried this twice so far but I have to say the effects hit so strongly that you literally feel them hit you and start seeing hypnogic imagery as soon as the feeling of it "hitting you" kicks in. This is then followed by a long stream of extremely vivid dreams which (with the necessary awareness training) could translate into lucid dreams.

Taken before bed:

.5mg Melatonin
100mg 5-HTP

Taken after 4 hours of sleep:

8mg galantamine (4mg if you are under i think about 160lbs or so)
600mg choline bitartrate
300-600mg Alpha GPC (I tried both dosages and experienced similar effects)

I have been taking Galantamine occasionally for a couple years and it only works here and there and I have to say that this combination of supplements has affected my dreams each time I've taken it stronger than the strongest galantamine effect I have ever experienced and so far seems to be very reliable.

Does anyone else have any experience with this combination? I want to note that I'm still playing with this a little because I am having alot of trouble falling back asleep during WBTB (2-3 hours awake each time). I'm wondering if the 5-htp and melatonin are improving my sleep quality so much during the first half of the night that I no longer feel tired during the second half. I don't normally have trouble falling back asleep during WBTB like this so I am attributing it to that. Regardless, I think this this combination of REM Rebound, WBTB, and supplements is noteworthy.

Sources:

$15.36 - 5-HTP <Merchandise link removed>

$5.62 - Melatonin (controlled import in some stricter countries) <Merchandise link removed>

$44.35 - Galantamind (controlled in some countries but not USA) <Merchandise link removed>

$8.62 - Choline bitartrate <Merchandise link removed>

$22.57 - Alpha GPC <Merchandise link removed>

Total: $96.52 + shipping (probably may vary on availability)

WARNING: Most of these supplements should not be taken on a daily basis. They are meant to be taken about once a week at most. If you are interested in taking them more often then please read Yuschak's book so that you can avoid any side effects.

**FryingMan** · 11-11-2013 10:06 AM

Yuschak notes that the Galantamine + choline mix tends to results in wakefulness, so he also mixes in a tiny bit of melatonin taken along with the galantamine + choline, like 0.3mg.

Does Yuschak promote taking both choline bitartrate *and* alpha gpc? I thought he just suggested alpha gpc as the "best" choline to take with galantamine?

Have you found that your ability to lucid dream without these supplements has changed (improved or worsened?) once you started taking them?

**Dewayne** · 11-11-2013 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Yuschak notes that the Galantamine + choline mix tends to results in wakefulness, so he also mixes in a tiny bit of melatonin taken along with the galantamine + choline, like 0.3mg.

Does Yuschak promote taking both choline bitartrate *and* alpha gpc? I thought he just suggested alpha gpc as the "best" choline to take with galantamine?

Have you found that your ability to lucid dream without these supplements has changed (improved or worsened?) once you started taking them?

He does on page 143. This is because the choline's concentration curve hits before the Alpha GPC and when combined they create a longer lasting and also stronger effect. Also, for me Alpha GPC seems to be the magic ingredient because it's the only NEW thing that I'm trying here with such good results.

**gab** · 11-12-2013 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Yuschak notes that the Galantamine + choline mix tends to results in wakefulness, so he also mixes in a tiny bit of melatonin taken along with the galantamine + choline, like 0.3mg.

Does Yuschak promote taking both choline bitartrate *and* alpha gpc? I thought he just suggested alpha gpc as the "best" choline to take with galantamine?

Have you found that your ability to lucid dream without these supplements has changed (improved or worsened?) once you started taking them?

If you don't have problem falling asleep, then you should not take melatonin. Since even small amounts may hinder lucid dreams.

AlphaGPC is also choline, but it I guess it kicks in later then choline. He suggests taking it, so it can take over, when choline is not at it's peak anymore, and you still need some choline.

**CanisLucidus** · 11-12-2013 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Dewayne

Taken before bed:

.5mg Melatonin
100mg 5-HTP

Taken after 4 hours of sleep:

8mg galantamine (4mg if you are under i think about 160lbs or so)
600mg choline bitartrate
300-600mg Alpha GPC (I tried both dosages and experienced similar effects)

I have been taking Galantamine occasionally for a couple years and it only works here and there and I have to say that this combination of supplements has affected my dreams each time I've taken it stronger than the strongest galantamine effect I have ever experienced and so far seems to be very reliable.

Does anyone else have any experience with this combination?

Sure, looks like a very solid combo to me! This is more or less what Yuschak called the "Extended Play" trigger. It's almost exactly like my usual "baseline" combo if I'm taking supplements. The one difference is that I tend to use either 5-HTP or melatonin pre-bed rather than combining them.

Again, the usual caveat applies -- doses are individualized, and it's always best to start with low doses and work one's way up to higher doses only as needed. Much less risk of desensitization that way!

I want to note that I'm still playing with this a little because I am having alot of trouble falling back asleep during WBTB (2-3 hours awake each time).

I struggled with this as well the first few times that I took galantamine. One huge factor is excitement. You realize that you're probably going to have a lucid dream and it can really get your mind racing.

I recommend using mindset to get past this if you can. Try not to fret about when/if you'll fall asleep. Let all those concerns go. Just relax, lay back, patiently observe your hypnagogic imagery and don't get too engaged. Just let it happen. Treat it like you're settling in for a nice movie, and whatever comes will come.

Some nice steady breathing and backward counting while patiently observing imagery generally does the trick for me. I like mentally counting backward from 99, starting over if I lose my place. Breathe deeply, focus on your awareness, relax, and trust the process. Edit: It's also worth mentioning that there's no need to worry if you don't see HI. Just go into the whole thing with no expectations apart from patiently waiting for your lucid dream.

With practice, this will come easier.

Good luck!