Supplements and Weed

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03-14-2014, 02:00 AM
AirRick101

Supplements and Weed

Disclamer - I am a California citizen who holds a Doctor's recommendation to use medical marijuana to relieve the symptoms of various ailments, including depression, insomnia, or just plain boredom.

Hi guys,

Lately I've been thinking about using supplements to increase my chances of having LD's every night. Now, some of these supplements are those that I already take indirectly, since I mainly taking any kind of supplement supplement my physique training.

I also vape weed every day, but this is not a total disadvantage, since going to bed without smoking beforehand will trigger the REM rebound effect. I actually find weed quite useful for that reason alone. All in all, my dream recall is intact.

Anyway, what weed or supplement variations do any of you use? I especially want to hear from fellow stoners, because they understand my difficulty with going to bed without getting high first. And for any of you straightjackets, stopping weed every day is not impossible for me...it's just not preferable. I'm not going to die if all the weed in the world burnt up suddenly, but then that would be cool, because then everybody would HAVE to get high.
03-15-2014, 12:23 AM
tofur

explain.

How long before bed do you last hit the vape?
03-15-2014, 06:16 AM
SinisterDezz

Quote:

Originally Posted by AirRick101

Disclamer - I am a California citizen who holds a Doctor's recommendation to use medical marijuana to relieve the symptoms of various ailments, including depression, insomnia, or just plain boredom.

Hi guys,

Lately I've been thinking about using supplements to increase my chances of having LD's every night. Now, some of these supplements are those that I already take indirectly, since I mainly taking any kind of supplement supplement my physique training.

I also vape weed every day, but this is not a total disadvantage, since going to bed without smoking beforehand will trigger the REM rebound effect. I actually find weed quite useful for that reason alone. All in all, my dream recall is intact.

Anyway, what weed or supplement variations do any of you use? I especially want to hear from fellow stoners, because they understand my difficulty with going to bed without getting high first. And for any of you straightjackets, stopping weed every day is not impossible for me...it's just not preferable. I'm not going to die if all the weed in the world burnt up suddenly, but then that would be cool, because then everybody would HAVE to get high.

...

In all seriousness, I have no clue about the whole supplement thing, but I find it interesting that you still have recall after the use of marijuana.
From the stories I have heard, most people have really poor recall after the use of marijuana or other drugs that reduce the mental ability of memory.

Also, your signature is accurate for me.
03-15-2014, 09:07 AM
AirRick101

I usually vape before bed, like 75% of the time. My dream recall is pretty spotty most of the time lately, but I've already recorded many dreams in my dream journal since I started trying to LD many years ago, and ran into a plateau I couldn't quite scale..or maybe I was already satisfied with having achieved lucidity a few times. Last time I remember being lucid was many years ago. I've successfully LD'd about 5 times total that I remember, but they were all short lived, and I've stopped really trying because I didn't think the pursuit was worth the lost sleep.

I'm confident that I have LD's here and there that I haven't yet recalled (I sometimes spontaneously recall dreams I've had over one night so, just have to get into the right vibration)

Anyway, I know certain foods like cottage cheese or eggs will have a reliable effect on my dreams. I'm looking into taking 5-HTP before bed to achieve serotonin saturation.
03-15-2014, 11:51 AM
Dthoughts

If i had some good weed i would consider vaping as well. Smoking makes my eyes bleed from the inside. Literally, that's why I get red eyes and i hate it.

AirRick101. You are probably better off eating Tryptophan-rich foods as opposed to supplements. Serotonin might keep you awake though, you could give 5-HTP a try. (i heared you can vape that one as well ;) ) But it is definitely healthier to get vitamins from foods. That is what i just read.

I theorize that weed will deplete serotonin, so ur serotonin levels might already be quite high. Definitely work on those dopamine foods, those are supposedly responsible for Pre-sleep hallucinations ;)

Running out of air. That's all i have to say. Happy smoking! :D
03-15-2014, 01:59 PM
tofur

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Originally Posted by AirRick101

I usually vape before bed, like 75% of the time. My dream recall is pretty spotty most of the time lately, but I've already recorded many dreams in my dream journal since I started trying to LD many years ago, and ran into a plateau I couldn't quite scale..or maybe I was already satisfied with having achieved lucidity a few times. Last time I remember being lucid was many years ago. I've successfully LD'd about 5 times total that I remember, but they were all short lived, and I've stopped really trying because I didn't think the pursuit was worth the lost sleep.

I'm confident that I have LD's here and there that I haven't yet recalled (I sometimes spontaneously recall dreams I've had over one night so, just have to get into the right vibration)

Anyway, I know certain foods like cottage cheese or eggs will have a reliable effect on my dreams. I'm looking into taking 5-HTP before bed to achieve serotonin saturation.

When I stop smoking it takes 24-48 hours for REM rebound to start. It usually lasts a few days/week before leveling out, where I remember more dreams and they are vivid. Last time I did this I got a lucid which I almost forgot about (it happened earlier in the morning then normal so I had other dreams afterward. It was a pretty lucid dream too, I was rubbing my hands together, wondering what to do, decided to try flying, couple failed attempts, then succeeded and flew for a bit (amazing).

You are definitely sacrificing dream recall/vividness by smoking. To what degree is up in the air, everyone's different. Only way to know is to stop smoking cold turkey for like 10 days and see what happens.

That said, I smoked before bed last night and had a great vivid dream right before waking up that I remember. I almost always remember the last dream I have before waking (I don't use an alarm), doesn't matter if I'm smoking a lot or not. What seems to make the difference is how focused I am on remembering my dreams, becoming lucid. If I'm not focused on that and looking to sleep just as a way to black out and rest, then I don't remember anything. All about's the intention ya know!?
03-15-2014, 04:22 PM
StephL

Nfri has recommended a very good book on supplements - free download:
Advanced Lucid Dreaming The Power of Supplements

Same as usual - he says, if you smoke regularly and then stop it - that gives you a nice REM rebound for the following day(s) - same as with alcohol. Can't help you with something more specific to your situation - but maybe you find something useful in there - he knows what he is talking about and explains the background very well.
03-15-2014, 06:16 PM
AirRick101

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Originally Posted by Dthoughts

If i had some good weed i would consider vaping as well. Smoking makes my eyes bleed from the inside. Literally, that's why I get red eyes and i hate it.

AirRick101. You are probably better off eating Tryptophan-rich foods as opposed to supplements. Serotonin might keep you awake though, you could give 5-HTP a try. (i heared you can vape that one as well ;) ) But it is definitely healthier to get vitamins from foods. That is what i just read.

I theorize that weed will deplete serotonin, so ur serotonin levels might already be quite high. Definitely work on those dopamine foods, those are supposedly responsible for Pre-sleep hallucinations ;)

Running out of air. That's all i have to say. Happy smoking! :D

lol, I guess you're not in Cali or Amsterdam :P and that's the first time I ever seen that reasoning for the follow-up bloodshot eyes

you know, scientifically speaking, vaping is single-handedly the most efficient way to deliver any substance to your body, other than injection.

I first saw this guy do it.

Dude Gets Drunk Without Drinking 1 Drop Of Alcohol - YouTube

and the other day actually saw a news report talking about it as well, along with how e-cigarettes possibly do more damage than good...I also am interested in manipulation nicotine consumption to help the chances of an LD.

My understanding of LD'ing is that you need a "seed" of awareness strong within you, so the serotonin boost should help if it's main purpose is to keep us awake. This is why some people report having LD's after having a tiny amount of caffeine before bed, such as in the torm of tea.

http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...cid-dream.html

All in all, I agree, whole foods are the ideal source of manipulating internal chemical process to increases the chances of having an LD, but supplements, I find, are extremely convenient in a pinch.

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Originally Posted by tofur

When I stop smoking it takes 24-48 hours for REM rebound to start. It usually lasts a few days/week before leveling out, where I remember more dreams and they are vivid. Last time I did this I got a lucid which I almost forgot about (it happened earlier in the morning then normal so I had other dreams afterward. It was a pretty lucid dream too, I was rubbing my hands together, wondering what to do, decided to try flying, couple failed attempts, then succeeded and flew for a bit (amazing).

You are definitely sacrificing dream recall/vividness by smoking. To what degree is up in the air, everyone's different. Only way to know is to stop smoking cold turkey for like 10 days and see what happens.

That said, I smoked before bed last night and had a great vivid dream right before waking up that I remember. I almost always remember the last dream I have before waking (I don't use an alarm), doesn't matter if I'm smoking a lot or not. What seems to make the difference is how focused I am on remembering my dreams, becoming lucid. If I'm not focused on that and looking to sleep just as a way to black out and rest, then I don't remember anything. All about's the intention ya know!?

Like I said, I vape before bed 3/4's of the time, and the 1 out of 4 days that I don't, I experience pretty easy dream recall. I know very well both from 2nd-hand knowledge and experience that consuming THC will decrease dream recall - and my reasoning is that because the herb forces an altered state of mind in the physical waking state, we lose dream ability as a pay-off.

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Originally Posted by StephL

Nfri has recommended a very good book on supplements - free download:
Advanced Lucid Dreaming The Power of Supplements

Same as usual - he says, if you smoke regularly and then stop it - that gives you a nice REM rebound for the following day(s) - same as with alcohol. Can't help you with something more specific to your situation - but maybe you find something useful in there - he knows what he is talking about and explains the background very well.

Yes! This is the book I had in mind when I opened this thread. I've skimmed the first few chapters and realized that I already know what kind of nutrition would help, due to previous interest and research in the subject. I've just recently become more interested in taking this route, since with a dream journal, attempt at recognizing dream signs, reality checking, MILD, DILD, WILD, etc...I have plateaued. After all, I always liked getting my physical exercise, but it wasn't until I took my first pre-workout supplement that I broke through a brick wall that had me stopped for years.
03-15-2014, 06:58 PM
tofur

I don't know about your reasoning, I believe THC suppresses REM sleep (I'm always a bit more tired upon waking after having smoked the night before so this fits my experience), and inhibits short term memory, which affects recall.

I wouldn't rely too heavily on supplements, you can't always have them/take them and you'll become a prisoner of them. The seed of awareness is best developed through meditative/awareness training. There ain't any shortcuts on the awareness side of things unfortunately.
03-16-2014, 10:22 AM
Dthoughts

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Originally Posted by AirRick101

lol, I guess you're not in Cali or Amsterdam :P and that's the first time I ever seen that reasoning for the follow-up bloodshot eyes

you know, scientifically speaking, vaping is single-handedly the most efficient way to deliver any substance to your body, other than injection.

and the other day actually saw a news report talking about it as well, along with how e-cigarettes possibly do more damage than good...I also am interested in manipulation nicotine consumption to help the chances of an LD.

My understanding of LD'ing is that you need a "seed" of awareness strong within you, so the serotonin boost should help if it's main purpose is to keep us awake. This is why some people report having LD's after having a tiny amount of caffeine before bed, such as in the torm of tea.

http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...cid-dream.html

All in all, I agree, whole foods are the ideal source of manipulating internal chemical process to increases the chances of having an LD, but supplements, I find, are extremely convenient in a pinch.

I woulden't say i disagree on taking supplements either. Especially in comination with weed i would imagine 5-htp or Tryptophan/B6 to synergize really well. They should maybe balance each other out. There's a chance that taking 5-htp along with weed will remove rem-rebound altogether and simply increase quality of sleep.

The problem with taking 5-htp would be the first stages of sleep. hours 1-4 are going to be depressed.This is not neccesarily a bad thing. 5-htp produces REM-Rebound at the end of the night. Caffeine or Nicotine/Acetylcholine can have an effect on these first 4 hourly stages as well.

If you like to experiment. Try opening capsule and vape 5-htp. The process is said to convert 5-htp directly to Serotonin and immediately crosses the BBB. Producing a very short-lived and also very special psychedelic effect. I haven't tried it myself but I can imagine.

Take my data with a grain of salt though. Especially 5-htp. It's been a long time since I looked into it. I'm probably only vaguely accurate. Or not at all. :P
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I agree what you said

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Like I said, I vape before bed 3/4's of the time, and the 1 out of 4 days that I don't, I experience pretty easy dream recall. I know very well both from 2nd-hand knowledge and experience that consuming THC will decrease dream recall - and my reasoning is that because the herb forces an altered state of mind in the physical waking state, we lose dream ability as a pay-off.

I also share the same point of view here. I would go as far as to say that each time you ingest a psychotropic substance a change in "state of mind" occurs. Each state has it's own set of memories and learned behaviour. Increasing reliance in states of mind induced by drugs is a hinderance for lucid dreamer because it requires the dreamer to be in exactly that biochemical state in order to utilize it's instincts. Nicotine/acetylcholine is directly linked to memory formation. So supplementing those in combination with marihuana could do the trick in developing a lucid state of mind on marihuana.

I agree that a regular sober sleep pattern is one of the most important things for lucid dreaming. I should heed my own advise though and sleep regularly. As a side-note however, Supplements (i just realize) are very useful in maintaining those "baseline states of consciousness" for nights and days where you happen to differ from ur regular pattern. That sounds very difficult to do, though. :panic: