Little known Yuschak publication: Amino Acid Blend gives "100% LDs"

Interesting that from another thread Goldenspark started I found my way to another Yuschak paper that I was not previously aware of. You can find it online:

substances_that_facilitate_lucid_dreaming_-_a_case_study.pdf

VERY interesting that it lists a blend of 3 amino acids as having a 100% LD rate (4/4, one test subject) with "high" lucidity noted! And way cheaper than galantamine!

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The dosages used for all tests incorporating this amino acid blend were 2000mg L-aspartic acid, 4000mg L-glutamine, 300mg L- theanine.

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This is a must for follow up. My son is into body building and he has super amino acid mixtures and he said when he took it before bed once he had wild and really vivid dreams. There's a scoop left at the bottom of that container I may just see how it goes....it's just amino acids, after all -- it's all natural!

Hi FryingMan, replied to you in my thread before seeing this!
I must re-read it about the amino acid mix. What are the side-effects?

All 3 of them enhance the function of Glutamate, a key neurotransmitter in dreaming and waking experience.

So for side effects;

"In neuroscience, glutamate is an important neurotransmitter that plays a key role in long-term potentiation and is important for learning and memory"

L-Theanine is as component of Green tea. And can be taken from tea as well. Probably a better source.
L-Aspartic-Acid acts as a necessary component in Sugar uptake .. is also one of the ingredients in Aspartame. It has many more functions. Increases bladder function and I think might enhance memory formation as well.

The combined side-effects from what I gathered should result in a Caffeinated Sugar effect. But much better and cleaner. :D

Did you ever try your son's amino acid mixture? I've tried glutamine + theanine twice so far with no results. I left out the aspartic acid because it didn't sound necessary, but after my failed attempts I decided to order some and I'll be adding it to my mixture in the future.

^Make sure you get L-aspartic acid and not D-aspartic acid. I learned there's an important difference.

Thanks for the tip! Fortunately I got L-aspartic acid, but I did wonder if it made a difference whether it was the L- or D- form.

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Did you ever try your son's amino acid mixture? I've tried glutamine + theanine twice so far with no results. I left out the aspartic acid because it didn't sound necessary, but after my failed attempts I decided to order some and I'll be adding it to my mixture in the future.

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I tried it last night and I got lucid with wild & crazy late morning dreams! So 1/1 for now Here's the blend:

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I took ~33g, all that was left, 1 serving is 132g, which I think translates to a 1/8 of the listed AAs (the list is shown as 2 servings with 32 oz milk, I did take it with about 8oz whole milk.)

No theanine, but aspartic acid, glutamine, tyrosine, tryptophan, etc. I also ate about 4 whole grain rye crackers as I read that helps in the uptake of tryptophan, etc.

I took the mix about 20 minutes before bedtime: 00:20

00:43 bedtime

No trouble getting to sleep. Felt a bit unusual, but had plenty of drowsiness. I was quite tired already. It did feel a little bit like how melatonin feels. The tryptophan kicking in -> seratonin -> melatonin?

06:00 first noticed waking, no recall, kind of disappointed. Sleep felt a bit light/disturbed?

07:40 wife's alarm, I recalled one dream (not lucid, fairly tame, just walking around my parent's house (primary dream sign, didn't realize it in the dream), greeting people I know just standing in various places in the house. There was a party going on. It was fairly vivid but very low awareness, I didn't look at any of the people except one, I just "felt" I knew who they were.

09:30 or so

Oh, wow. OH, WOW! Wild & crazy and increasingly bizarre dreams. In an out of lucidity I don't know how many times. I don't know if the AAs last that long or not but hoo doggy that's dreaming, baby! Normally late morning dreams are quite life-like (and thus not very exciting, usually just hanging around with people), only the earlier ones are bizarre.

+ I had my first recalled dreaming within a dream: In the dream, I was falling asleep and could "see through my eyelids" at some sign, I tried opening my dream-dream eyes into the dream-dream, but the image vanished and I remained "awake" in my dream.

+ At some point my wife was tsking at me for dropping coins all over the place. I said it didn't matter because I was dreaming! I then proceeded through several white-walled rooms with doors playing a lucid game: "what's behind this door? A PARTY!" Laughing and trying the next door. First door held a low-lit white room with just (my wife?) sitting down next to a wall (with a laptop?), I then asked *her*, "what do you think's behind this door? A PARTY!" and I opened it and yes it was a party in there! Dressed up, made up women, mostly middle, aged, one good looking one with cleavage, I stand up two women from the couch, and move to kiss one but wake up.

I'll add the full DJ later, some very very very wacky scenes. Including arriving in a bus to a mall in (apparently) Hell. I said "Oh man I hate coming to this place!"

p.s. the mix I took is called "Up Your MASS!"

Here's the DJ: http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/fryi...4-04-22-57273/

@FryingMan I just want to make sure I understand what exactly you took.. 33gs of "Up Your MASS" with 8oz of whole milk and four whole grain rye crackers?

Seems simple enough and something I can easily do, once I buy "Up Your MASS" and a nice side affect might be I get bigger muscles =P

Yes. The crackers were "Finn Crisp"s. I took everything about 20 minutes before bed. There may be some benefit to trying it later, during WBTB? Different dosage? I think there was a definite effect since I normally do not have such wild dreams that late in the night (I do have them earlier though, when I recall them, but not so long or with such good recall), even through the dreams were about 7.5-9 hours after drinking the mixture. So maybe bedtime (or an hour before?) is beneficial if there is a delayed reaction? Maybe it was REM rebound since I do not recall any dreams at the 06:00 (5.5 hrs) waking (very very unusual for me usually I remember *something*, even a fragment).

Time will tell. I'll most certainly be trying that again from time to time. I prefer to use it as a motivation/expectation boost rather than a full-time thing, but we'll see how it goes!

@FryingMan, I just want to make sure I'm buying the right stuff, if you please, but this is what I find for Up Your Mass - MHP Up Your Mass at Bodybuilding.com: Lowest Prices for Up Your Mass

*Please don't link any stores. You can mention the name, but no url linking.

Yes that looks like what I took. Whether it's "the right stuff" I don't know, but that looks to be the "same stuff."

Today I bought B6, L-theanine, L-glutamine, and D-(couldn't find L-) aspartic acid, hope that works! Will try the AAB again in a few days, tonight I'll see what 50mg B6 does (while jet lagged).

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^Make sure you get L-aspartic acid and not D-aspartic acid. I learned there's an important difference.

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Ugh I got D and not L, the vitamin shoppe didn't have L that I could see, can you expand on the differences? I haven't opened the DAA yet and it's the priciest of the bunch (around $30+)

The "Up your mass" does not indicate that I can see wither they're the L or D forms of aspartic acid.

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Originally Posted by Nift

Thanks for the tip! Fortunately I got L-aspartic acid, but I did wonder if it made a difference whether it was the L- or D- form.

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What's a good source for the L-aspartic acid? Seems the hardest of the bunch to find.

Those are exciting results! Hopefully it continues to work. I wonder if taking a more comprehensive amino acid blend like that might actually be more effective than just the three amino acids that Yuschak identified. I'll try an all-inclusive amino supplement later on if I don't get any results from Yuschak's blend.

I bought my L-aspartic acid online from Amazon (I got the Source Naturals brand).

OK I see the Amazon L-aspartic acid now, thanks. Also waaaaaaaaay cheaper than Vitamin Shoppe's DAA. I think I'll return the DAA since I don't see any mention of it being a major excitatory neurotransmitter like the LAA is, just a testosterone / muscle enhancer. The box also says "only to be taken by healthy adult males"....hmmm.....yeah think that's going back.

Interesting notion that the blend may even be more effective than the isolated ones!

However, I'm wondering though about the L- or D-ness of the "up your mass" stuff, since it's focused on bodybuilding, it may be the D- varieties?

But regardless, I did have the nice results with it. A little more testosterone at my age wouldn't be a bad thing perhaps.

I wish I could find a smaller container of the UYM than the 5 pound container, we only probably need 30-60g at most at a time and at that pace the container would last a century and maybe lose potency?

The link I posted above sells the UYM in 2lbs containers.

admins already ruined the fun. Store names are OK though so please post just that again.

I find that Dutch sites are rather expensive. If we have good sources for Glutamate L-asparctic acid from the same websites I'll see if shipping costs and price matches up for me here overseas.

Fryingman, To answer your question: L-Asparctic acid is involved in energy efficiency, anti-poisening and quite possibly a neurotransmitter, according to this source. It is also used as a stress-reducor in people with overactive heartbeats,
Whereas D-Asparctic acid is mostly concerned with releasing sex hormones. :P (Check this helpful link out)

^From the first source they for some reason speculate that L-aspactic acid and L-glutamate possibly acts as a protector for the Brain to actually keep the D-Acid out there. The D-form usually accumulates in the Pituriary and Pineal gland in the brain. All this might indicate that the D-form is quite possibly detrimental for our goal of lucidity.

I speculate that the brain prefers L form over the D form because they are so much alike but the brain has an in-built mechanism to keep the D form out as long as it has enough of these other molecules. But that is information that might be interesting for a biochemist. Which I do not claim to be!!!

This website goldnutrition.net lists L-aspartic acid as one of Up Your Mass's ingredients.

You probably don't need to stick to UYM if you want the enhanced dreams. I think the casein in UYM is part of what makes it effective since casein stays in your system longer than either whey isolate or whey concentrate, so any casein protein powder with a decent amino acid profile will probably have a very similar effect.

I've seen people report vivid or lucid dreams from protein powders as well as from individual amino acids unrelated to Yuschak's blend, like arginine, tryptophan, glycine, etc. That's what makes me suspect a complete amino acid profile might be more effective than just glutamine, aspartic acid, and theanine. After all, in Yuschak's study his only test subject was himself, so that's not exactly a great sample size for determining how well the blend works for the average person.

*Please don't link to stores. It's fine to mention the name but no url linking*

Thanks a lot for that link. That's great to know they're all the L-variety in UYM.

Yes there's a lot in there so all the bases are covered, unless some of the AAs counteract each other with respect to dreaming. Oh, except it doesn't have Theanine. Odd that I had zero recall at 5 hrs though, it was the 8hrs waking that had all the awesomeness. (again I took it before bedtime).

It takes a few hours for the level of casein amino acids to reach peak levels in the blood. Since the protein in Up Your Mass is at least half casein, it actually makes sense that the effects would be stronger later in the night.

I have a whey protein isolate powder that I'm going to be experimenting with over the next couple of weeks. I'll update with any significant results. I'm looking forward to hearing the results you get from the Yuschak blend!

Thanks for the info. It's just really amusing to me that UYM may be such a good dreaming supplement.

I have purchased L-theanine and L-glutamine now. I'm returning the D-aspartic acid today and I've ordered L-aspartic acid from amazon which should arrive by Saturday. My first test will be Sunday perhaps after the LAA arrives.

Yuschak recommends taking the blend at WBTB time, not bed-time, any comments on that?

I'll also try good old galantamine+choline+alpha-gpc a few times in the next couple weeks. I'm going to try for a super fast get-up-swallow-and-back-to-sleep to avoid the insomnia effect it has had on me so far, and get up a bit earlier (4 hrs instead of 5) to make sure I'm good 'n' tired. I seem to have the best dreams around 6-8 hrs, after 8 hours awareness and recall starts to decline, so taking at 3-4 hrs may be a better time. I will not try WILD since I have yet to WILD at all, they will all be DILD attempts.

I plan to alternate days between B6, AAB, <nothing>, and the galantamine cocktail. Any particular recommended orderings of this sequence would be welcome.

As far as I know, individual amino acid supplements are more quickly absorbed and reach peak levels in about an hour, so taking it during a WBTB does make the most sense.

Regarding galantamine, I take the same combination as you and I've found that taking 300mcg of melatonin at the same time helps me fall back to sleep without suppressing dreams. Some people find L-theanine helps with this as well. Might be worth trying one of those two if galantamine is keeping you awake.

What effects do you notice from B6? I just ordered some of that as well.

I'll experiment with the micro-melatonin. I think i triied that once but it didnt seem to help. Another issue is giving in to the temptation to daydream about all the mind-blowing dreams I'm anticipating and that plus the excitatory effect of the combo kept me awake. One other suggestion I read was melatonin at bedtime 3mg perhaps so that there's some still left by wbtb time (also to suppress rem for rebound later when the combo hits), also seen 5htp suggested but that just feels like too many supps at once.

B6: just started, no idea yet, tried 50mg last night noticed nothing but I'm freshly jet lagged so nothing is definitive until I recover which unfortunately won't probably be fully over for a month because I return in two weeks, just in time to recover from the first part and then have to repeat it all over again :)

I also ordered good blue blocking orange safety glasses will see about their effect before bedtime and also wbtb time, long-time insomnia sufferers claim in the reviews they sleep.super well using them with no other sleep aids required.

These are the glasses I ordered from amazon: Uvex S1933X Skyper Safety Eyewear, Black Frame, SCT-Orange UV Extreme Anti-Fog Lens.

Its always nice to have some others to do the experiments with and trade experiences/advice :). The AAB experience was very eye opening for me and makes me want to understand more about exactly where vivid long memorable dreams come from. My dreams in the first 6 months of ld training were much more like that much more frequently, without supps, but as I get better at daytime practice the awesome dreams have started to dwindle to where they occur in bursts of 1-2 weeks long, 3-4 weeks apart. There are so many factors: diet, exercise, mental state (stress), excitement, motivation, etc. it's hard to determine what the key factors are. Oh yeah and sleep schedule.

Nift I'd be interested in your galantamine experiences: how many times have you tried it, what conditions, and results, and how long you've been practicing Ld-ing

I wonder if 50mg of B6 is too little to experience enhanced dreams. All the success stories I've come across have involved at least 100mg.

That's interesting about the glasses helping with sleep. I wonder what makes them so effective in that regard. I'm interested to hear your results from that as well.

As far as my experiences with LDing, I first got into lucid dreaming 10 years ago. I probably could have been a lucid dreaming master by now but I've only spent a small fraction of the past 10 years actually investing the time and effort to lucid dream. It's just hard to stay motivated sometimes.

Galantamine has definitely increased my frequency of lucid dreams, though. My galantamine + choline combo failed the first few times I used it, but then I switched from choline to Alpha GPC and I've had about a 90% success rate ever since then. A typical galantamine morning for me involves 1 to 3 lucid dreams, a couple of non-lucid dreams about lucid dreaming, and multiple episodes of sleep paralysis where my body feels like it's surging with energy but no dream scene materializes. It makes for some very bizarre sleep.

Yes 50mg may be too little but I always start small and gradually build up

The glasses block blue light. Blue light suppresses melatonin production, so wearing the glasses allows the natural build-up of melatonin in the hours up to bedtime.

Did another full galantamine/choline attempt & experiment: 2xgalantamind 4mg, 1x300mg choline bitartrate, 1x300mg alpha-gpc. This time I took the mix at 4hrs, and had a non-exceptional night. Recall worse earlier, just fragmennts, recall better later and less weird dreams, sort of a normal night, not close to lucidity. I did do a lot of micro-flying which is slightly unusual, just drifting for 20 feet from time to time.

Conditions were: still badly jet lagged and very tired, two glasses of wine with dinner before bedtime, bedtime 10pm

So the conditions were not ideal. But I wanted to try. I did make it back to sleep after about an hour, could be the anticipation kept me up, or the fact I used an alarm.

Next thing to try is moving to 100% alpha-gpc 600 mg with no choline bitartrate. Really starting to wonder if galantamine just doesn't do it for me! This was about my 5th attempt with galantamine

Interesting Nift that your first few galantamine tries didn't work out, Yuschak noted the same thing. Maybe I'm stil in those "first" attempts that don't work for some reason. Or the alcohol perhaps killed it. Or the tiredness :). Too many confounding factors.

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I know that study well. Lots of interesting stuff this thread! It's a pitty that I don't have time to read them all, so later... I got some experience with those acids and more. I'm now in the Netherlands, sleeping like 3 hours a day and living in lucid dream, crazy country XD

I did the "Yuschak 3" AAB last night (at about 5 hrs), eventually got back to sleep and nothing: just a few fleeting fragments. I'm pretty much reaching the conclusion now that supplements can't help when your sleep is broken. I just need to get over my jet lag and get some normal unassisted recall back before trying again I think. But it was worth a try to see if it could help.

Also: my L-aspartic acid is in powder form, and the L-glutamine and L-theanine are in capsule form. Could this cause a timing difference in uptake since the capsules would have to be digested first? Should I open the capsules and go for 100% powder on all 3?

I would personally opt for powdered anyway. I prefer drinking a bit of water each night I take supplements as opposed to swallowing capsules. Just go for it, right? You can also decide to buy capsules and encapsulate the L-asparctic acid. But that's just hassle. haha :D

FryingMan, I have booked success with Yerba maté supplements. It is a fitness blend as well but this one is a mix of a little caffeine and a few different sugars. I concluded that perhaps nutrition in the form of calories is important for staying aware at night as well. It might help to eat an apple or a drink with honey for energy supplementation during WBTB. Otherwise, a banana is perfect because it has naturally slow sugars Tryptophan and B6 which could aid in nutrition for the entire night.

A common thing that happens when you wake up is that the body starts using amino acids for the waking up. That might be due to low Sugar content. Of course the are a zillion factors at play here in dreaming, recall and lucidity but Sugar is one thing that might be worth looking into. :)

I'm grateful for any advice, thanks for that! Now that you mention it, Nfri, who has great success with supplements, usually combines them with a breakfast WBTB, interesting!

The muscle builder I took that time at bed-time with success is full of carbs, etc, so maybe that was one of the reasons behind the "magic?"

@FryingMan, I've been trying to log on for a couple of days now so sorry for the late response on this, but BodyBuilding.com is the website that has UYM in 2lbs forms. I never even noticed my post was modded until you mentioned it, my bad.. I am buying some UYM soon as I'm eager to test the results. I'll update when I have already tried it.

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I did the "Yuschak 3" AAB last night (at about 5 hrs), eventually got back to sleep and nothing: just a few fleeting fragments. I'm pretty much reaching the conclusion now that supplements can't help when your sleep is broken. I just need to get over my jet lag and get some normal unassisted recall back before trying again I think. But it was worth a try to see if it could help.

Also: my L-aspartic acid is in powder form, and the L-glutamine and L-theanine are in capsule form. Could this cause a timing difference in uptake since the capsules would have to be digested first? Should I open the capsules and go for 100% powder on all 3?

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That's too bad that the amino blend failed. You're probably right that your messed up sleep schedule has something to do with your recent lack of results, but it may also be that Yuschak's blend simply isn't that effective. Regarding capsules vs. powder, I think you should be fine with mixing both forms. Gelatin capsules dissolve so quickly that it probably doesn't make a difference.

I've gotten my hands on L-glutamine, Casein protein and Whey protein.

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Method:Whey protein in the morning and Casein protein at night. The casein contains L-aspartic acids+Glutamine. And minimal carbs.
During WBTB I take another Glutamine+carbs.

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Results: Loads of energy during the day. No fatigue. My dream recall is gradually improving. My sleep is restorative. I now remember 15 as opposed to 5 minutes that I did yesterday. Like i said, it is gradually improving. :P

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Also, My dream content has been quite hectic. Slightly nightmarish but somehow very nourishing. Vividness has improved along with Lucidity. For example, I was able to do scientific reasoning in a dream. Yet I did not reason that I was perhaps in a dream when I was being attacked by tiny bed bugs. Needless to say I jumped the fak out of bed because I hallucinated slightly that these bed bugs where really there. I changed my sheets :P

So.. I also theorize that this MIGHT be due to Astronomic events ! But the protein has not been a disappointment at all. I am VERY happy with energy during the days. I think it automatically starts translating into nighttime adventures. I do note that I am young and do sports from time to time. I used higher doses of proteins because my muscles really needed the nutrition.

Going to buy B6 asap. I found out that my doses have been in the 5-10mg range. (which is considered 200% the daily recommended) ... Sageous and the gang say they take 100mg... Since my recall is disastrous this might help.

I finally got a chance to try Yuschak's amino blend with just L-glutamine, L-aspartic acid, and L-theanine. Unfortunately it wasn't a success. I woke up after 4 hours of sleep last night and mixed the aminos with a cup of apple juice then went back to bed performing MILD. No lucid dreams, and only one non-lucid dream that I can remember. I'll continue to experiment with the blend for a while but I'm not hopeful.

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I've gotten my hands on L-glutamine, Casein protein and Whey protein.

Also, My dream content has been quite hectic. Slightly nightmarish but somehow very nourishing. Vividness has improved along with Lucidity. For example, I was able to do scientific reasoning in a dream. Yet I did not reason that I was perhaps in a dream when I was being attacked by tiny bed bugs. Needless to say I jumped the fak out of bed because I hallucinated slightly that these bed bugs where really there. I changed my sheets :P

So.. I also theorize that this MIGHT be due to Astronomic events ! But the protein has not been a disappointment at all. I am VERY happy with energy during the days. I think it automatically starts translating into nighttime adventures. I do note that I am young and do sports from time to time. I used higher doses of proteins because my muscles really needed the nutrition.

Going to buy B6 asap. I found out that my doses have been in the 5-10mg range. (which is considered 200% the daily recommended) ... Sageous and the gang say they take 100mg... Since my recall is disastrous this might help.

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Those are very interesting results! What brand of casein and whey are you taking? I have whey but I'm really eager to buy some casein protein now.

Wasn't Yuschak the guy who did cyclic Acetylcholine supplementation? His brain must have already been pretty wired for lucid dreaming.
These 3 proteins afaik all promote neuronal growth and activity so perhaps this acetylcholine effect kind of potentiated these proteins. I don't have Galantamine but I would try it with that to see if it has an effect. I think this combo stacks.

Bodyfit Micellar Casein (perfection) I took the chocolate milkshake taste for added Cacao. Haha. I also hate the synthetic strawberry taste of my whey proteins. Blehh.

Btw, I just read that Serotonin system is shut off during dreaming. Do you happen to know if there is any truth to that?

With my single success with the muscle-builder blend last week, (and remaining hopeful for repeats), I think the magic may lie in the combination of all those myriad AAs, along with carbs (energy), and vitamins, etc. I've been thinking if my lack of vividness for a while now (other than short spurts of good dreaming) is due to some nutritional deficiency vs. when I started LD practice when I had long vivid dreams all night long regularly. I eat fairly well, but perhaps not well enough or in the required quantities to support vivid/lucid dreaming. Since I exercise regularly now, even fairly intensely (except now while traveling), I really may be running a deficit of critical substances. The muscle-builder blend is a kitchen-sink approach that may be overkill but I for one don't have the patience to try things one by one.

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(combo referenced = G&Ch + YAAs)

We need some abbreviations:

G&Ch: Galantamine + choline(s)
YAAB: Yuschak Amino Acid Blend (2g L-aspartic acid, 4g L-glutamine, 300mg L-theanine).

An interesting notion, and one that I'll add to the experimentation matrix! I'm going to also experiment with some REM suppression via melatonin (I have lots of this, it's cheap) and 5HTP (just picked up a bottle, more expensive than melatonin).

Any recommendations for easily-accessible sleep pattern mapping technology? I'm going to try the smart phone app that supposedly determines depth of sleep from bed movements (so it can wake you up in light sleep phase...isn't set for REM phase that would be fun to try)

For any one that is wondering the diffrence between L amino acid and D amino acid is huge ... It's called chirality think of your hands they are identical yet you can't put your left glove on your right hand same goes with acid the D acid can't work on a specific L acid site so make sure u get the right L vs D ..... ; ] }