woops meant acetylcholinesterase inhibitors :)
(ACE inhibitors for blood pressure not lucid dreams)
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So I tried it last night, one of the first things that I noticed was that I woke up actually a few minutes before my alarm without any other noises, etc. I took the red pill and went straight back to sleep, while I didn't have any increase of the vividness of my dream I was able to recall a little better than without Dream Leaf. I will try again tonight with the original method and report back and then do the alternate method!
you guys should document yourself about the right use of acetylcholinesterase inhibitors before trying it.
as for galantamine, it stays in your system during 48hours. you have to be off another 48h to recover natural statements, so be sure to wait about 5 days before taking it once again if you dont want to developpe tolerance/desensitization issues.
no it wont. i dont know about huperzine but galantamine has a very long half life and stay 48h in your system.
so if you dont want to develope tolerance you must avoid to take it 2days in a row
it depends on the half life of the acetylcholinesterase inhibitor you use. I have no datas about huperzine.
It looks like huperzine has a half life of 288 minutes, so it doesn't stay in your system nearly as long. Also, I believe the new dream leaf formula doesn't have galantamine.
Next weekend I'll try it two nights in a row and see if the second night doesn't have as much of an effect.
galantamine 's half life is about 7 hours and it stays 48h in your system so you have to wait 2*48=96h between two tries.
huperzine's half life is about 14h so i guess you have to wait even longer.
so no it is not a good idea
Well tonight I will belong to the Dream Leaf club as well, as I ordered it over the weekend, got it today, and will take it tonight!
Edit: Great thread though, I noticed too that it doesn't have Galantimine but was leaning toward taking it a couple nights in a row.
So I took it both nights this weekend. The first night was the best, had the longest dreams, etc. I didn't feel different during the day so that was good. The second night wasn't as good, but I didn't get as much sleep so that was probably it. I still got about 8.5 hours though, just not as much as the first night. I felt much more tired the second day, most likely due to the 5htp. I am only 15 though, so my reduce body weight probably had something to do with it, but I didn't feel tired the first day, so I think it was also a buildup.
So taking it multiple days in a row, your dreams are still affected in a beneficial way, but you might get more tired due to the buildup of serotonin from the 5htp.
You are 15 and you take AChE inhibitor without off days between two attempts.. That makes two mistakes in a row
Hey, I don't understand why you are being so harsh. I had my dad, who is a doctor look at it, and didn't say anything about any of the ingredients being dangerous. He didn't think it would work, but never said that it could be harmful. I also emailed dreamleaf about my age and they said it should be fine, just take some out of the pills if the effects are to strong. I also said that on the second day I was noticeably tired, but that was most likely the seretonin like I said. I also am not taking it two days in a row anymore due to the drowsy effect.
Your post is only negitive and instead of suggesting an alternative, you just say I made mistakes. You were helpful before but now you're just criticizing :/.
Are you kidding me?
If your dad who is a doctor is absolutely ok to let his still growing son play with the inhibition of AcetylCholinesterase, and doing it the wrongest way, I don't find anything to answer...
If he also doesn't mind if you take pills from a seller who even don't write on the bottles how much Huperzine and other stuffs are contained on each pill, I guess he could also tell you that alcohol is a great stuff to experiment and that you should start to think about taking LDS if you want to be a man, and you would still not understand why someone is being harsh by giving you the advice not to do that...
Seriously, don't take it personally but taking this kind of nootropics at your age, (without even knowing how it is supposed to work, half life, tolerance issues, everything, and why it is not recommended to take it under 18 or even 20, and why it is not to take twice in a row) , is brainless for me.
My advice is :
the good thing is that at your age, LD is easy, you just have to be motivated, and to look for knowledge about techniques, and everything about the Dream world and about how to have LD naturally.
If you want to start with WILD, I would suggest you to take a look to the M.Raduga's technique who is a easy WILD/DEILD technique.
And I if you really want to have some good knowledge about LD supplements, to take it the good way when you will have finished your growth, I suggest you to read the Yuschak's book who explains everything you have to know before even thinking about taking LD pills.
Especially AChE Inhibitor pills.
regards
Just no.
So I've been getting some flak for my reckless use of this dream supplement. In my father's defense, I never said he was a neurologist. He recognized all the ingredients but I guess he didn't know all their uses. He said that DHEA is also used for muscle mass gain and other uses, so I guess the herbs are very versatile. He is a great dad though so your comment about him hurt a little. As for taking the inhibitor two days in a row, that wasn't the smartest thing to do, but after contacting DreamLeaf via email and asking them about this, they said I shouldn't take it more than a few (guessing that means 3-4) times a week, so I thought that taking it two times wouldn't be harmful. I'm not doing that again due to your warnings and the drowsiness I felt the second day.
Also, I mainly took the supplement not expecting it to give me lucid dreams, but for the vivid dream experience, which it definitely gave me. I've been into lucid dreaming for about a year now but usually get distracted by life after making a big attempt to lucid dream. I wanted the supplement to jumpstart my attempts at luvid dreaming again, but I acknowledge that to obtain a lucid dream it is through work, not some pill. Thanks for the WILD guide recommendation, I'll definitely read it.
I'm probably going to take one pill during the weekend every few weeks when the conditions permit it and I'm not busy, but definitely not as often as I was before. I don't do any type of recreational drugs, so taking the supplement is probably one of the most exotic mental experiences I have had, and it would be nice to experience the crazy dreams every once in a while.
As for NeasTheDreamer's comment, please post something to contribute to the conversation, not just two words.
Thanks, N1ghtFeather :-P
I didn't want to hurt you, English is not my native language and I may have been tactless, it wasn't my purpose, but I did want to make you think about what you where doing.
I am glade that you went back with a smarter approach.
I did some research, and it seams that hyperzine has got a little bit less tolerance issues than galantamine because it doesn't work the exactly same way.
Nonetheless, you shouldn't take advice from the seller of a product to seriously.
For better knowledge about what you will take, it is more accurate to search by yourself on scientific articles and studies.
I personally take Galantamine and other stuffs with very good results, but I try to do it the smartest way and try to do everything to avoid tolerance and other health issues.
I read a lot about these molecules before experimenting, and the technique/timing is 70% of the game though.
I wish you the best for your future LD adventures. ;-)
This is what I do - maybe it can inspire a bit.
Once every five nights I will use either Galantamine or Huperzine (I alternate between the two).
On other nights (typically once every five days) I will use for example: caffeine + L-theanine (the caffeine wakes the mind somewhat up, but the theanine allows me to go back to sleep). This increases probability of lucidity.
Some nights I don't do a WBTB at all, because I just want to sleep.
And here is a nice recent addition: fish oil. I normally take fish oil every day (in the morning) in recognition of the fact that I eat too little fish. Now I've discovered that fish oil increases vividness of dreams considerably, so I will take it at WBTB-time - and so far it has been highly correlated with lucidity. :)
I suggest getting acquainted with fish oil (which is very healthy, at any rate) before going to hard core pharmaceutical drugs like Galantamine.
Anyone have any issues with the blue pill keeping you up? I don't have the best sleeping habits and tend to be a light sleeper as well, but I've taken the pills three times now and have ended up not being able to sleep after I take the blue pill. I suppose it's time to try the alternative method but am still curious.
Hello, You can read my detailed experience with Dream Leaf. All in all, it really has some positive effects :)
Uh DHEA is a steriod, thats the main reason I'd advise against DreamLeaf. Continued use of DHEA can affect your kidneys and testerone levels, that goes for all steroids im sure. Wouldnt take it if I were you.
I just tried Dream Leaf for the first time last night, although I didn't LD, I had some fantastic hypnogogic imagery. I am a light sleeper and I awoke after an hour or so, so I'll try the alternative method on the next two evenings.
The so-called 'Blue Pill' should not be taken by pregnant women as mugwort is a known emmenagogue as well as being a mystical herb.
Hello again, I have tried Dream Leaf several times since my last post. I am sorry to report that there was no significant dream recall or lucidity when I used this supplement. The only supplement to have any impact on my dreams was a product called lucidimine. It is a Galantamine, CDP Choline, Alpha GPC, L-Theanine mixture that gave me my first supplement induced LD. I realize a lot of successful LDers here frown upon anything that has to do with these kind of inducers, usually directing me to traditional LD techniques. Although I'm not an active Lucid Dreamer, I think that supplements and new EEG wearable technology such as The Aurora Head band device will help springboard people who have problems achieving success with traditional methods. I welcome comments from any DV member on this issue.