Supplements or Natural?

**AstroFlyer** · 02-27-2015 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by FryingMan

^^ When do you listen to them and for how long?

Hi FryingMan - I started out with all night ( 8 hour sleep cycle tract ). The first night i done this I had a good stable LD but I srarted hearing the tone within my LD and it became anoying. I naturaly wake up after 4-5 hours, so I started listing when going back to bed. Its very helpful for WILDs because the frequency is progressive starting out at the relaxing but alert state to the hypnagogic state and finaly to the dream state. It dosent just knock you out so you dont loose the oppertunity for a WILD.

IsochronicBeats guy has a guide that i stumbled on

http://www.dreamviews.com/lucid-aids...nic-tones.html

**Kaan** · 02-27-2015 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Nfri

Why not both? It works synergic.

+1

I even add the help of my new Rem-dreamer pro that plays a recorded short vocal message when REM is detected.
DEILD approach + Galantamine + Alpha GPC + RemDreamer seam to give me LDs each time I use this synergic combo, which doesn't mean that I use it every day (to avoid Tolerance issues I do it every 5 days or every 2 to 3 days when using Piracetam).
My WILD skill is increasing way faster with that aids, when I do this, my chances to LD are about 90% if not more.

**Barry** · 03-01-2015 03:48 PM

Took 4mg galantamine and 250 choline this morning and had an LD!

Still going to practice DILD everyday of course.

**gab** · 03-02-2015 06:16 AM

Supplement are like a pro-baseball bat. If you know how to swing well, then it will help you swing better. But if you don't know how to play baseball, it will not do you any good, it will not help you swing home runs.

I agree with those that say that using supplement in moderation is ok. But I would not use them untill I know how to lucid without them.

*Moved to Lucid Aids