Thread: Wild Vivid Dreams-pill

Originally Posted by SKA

This Topic is for those of us who have some knowledge of herbs, medicine and psycho-active substances.
Especially about their effects. Stimulants(uppers), Psychedelics(trippers), Depressants(downers) and Euphoriants ( there's more but these are the main 4 )

Now here's the Idea:
By the knowledge of what mental/physical effects each herb, plant or substance has what Psycho-Active effects of substances, plants, drugs or herbs you know brings a state of Mind suitable for Lucidity?

The Lucidity State of mind is:
Aware/awake and Concious yet still Dreaming and asleep
Clear yet Dreamy at the same time.
Meditative calm peace of Mind
Contentness

Okay now let's see if we can make a good combination of herbs and substances in a Gelatin capsule, in the right scales and doses, and make you reach somewhat the same effects of Lucidity in dreams as mentioned above. This would be a good State of Mind to take into sleep with you, or in a WBTB fashion.

Now a short List of Psycho-actives I know might help re-create Lucidity:

Alsem (Artemisia Absinthium A.K.A. Wormwood)
Effect:Makes you relaxed physically and mentally too. Yet your head is very calm & Clear. Potentiates Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb
Active substance: Thujone, a complex Psycho-active Oil
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Tea or in Alcoholic Absinth.
Available @: Any Gardening/Botanical Store at the Herbs Section. Farmers have it too often.

Marijuana (Weed, Pot)
Effect: Euphoric, Physically relaxing sometimes near paralysing-sensation, Psychedelic, Depressant, Philosophical, Inspires Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb/Plant
Active Substance: THC (TetroHydroCannabinol)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Eating (Spacecake&HashBrownie)
Variant: hash (Gummy brown purified Weed-Extract)
Available: Here in Holland in Coffeeshops. Elsewhere, you're outa luck

Calea Zacatechichi (Calea DreamHerb, Leaf of God):
Effect: DreamPotentiating, Physically relaxing, Mentally calming, Clearmindedness, Peace and slight Euphoria
Type: Herb
Active Substance: Unknown
Variant: Calea Extract (A purified, stronger form)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb or extract, Tea, Capsules
Available: Online at herbalists, herbalists drugstores, Smartshops (Like Azarius )

Mugwort(Artemisia Vulgaris):
Effect: ''Said to be'' Dream Potentiating
Type: Herb, Relative of Wormwood
Active Substance: Believed to be Thujone amongst other yet unknown things, but in much lower levels than found in Wormwood.
Variants: Glowsticks of Mugwort used in Chinese Bowel Treatments.
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Tea, putting it under your Pillow.
Available: At any herbal shop, Online, at Chinese Herbal shops.

Magic Psilocybin Mushrooms:
Effect: Psychedelic, Hallucinogenic, Euphoric, HUGEly potentiates Imagination, brings one in a sort of wake/dreaming state, Closed eye visuals, color, time and space distortions, Philosophical state of Mind.
Type: Mushroom, Fungi
Active Substance: Mainly Psilocybin & Psilocin
Variant: dried smokable mushrooms for mild effects
Ingestion: Eating, Tea, alternatively: Smoking
Available: At smartshops like Azarius ) and out there in Nature.
NOTE: It's said that very small doses of Magic mushrooms, or other psychedelic trytamines, can, while having hardly any effect on you while awake, greatly potentiate your dreams.
I was thinking, which of these, and more, herbs can I add together in a Gelatine capsule and weigh out in JUST the right dosage and scale to make their combined synergistic effect a Suitable one for Lucid Dreaming.
Besides Pills, one can also experiment with Herbal mixture Joints and Herbal mixture tea.

Kind of like trying to attain what feels most like the ''Lucid'' Feeling while awake with psycho-active herbs and substances. And then we could take those effects with us into our sleep&dreams.

Any Suggestions from you people here as for herbs or substances to add that might help attaining ''waking lucididty''?
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I dunno if you can make it into a pill because people react differently to each substance, for example person A might hardly feel weed but get tripped off half a gram of shrooms, while person B might take a toke and be flat on his ass and then eat 3 grams of shrooms and barely feel much.

how would you know wich ones you need tho ?

Alsem (Artemisia Absinthium A.K.A. Wormwood)[/b]

I named my sub-consious absinth.

Originally Posted by Lars

I named my sub-consious absinth.
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And why is that? I have often smoked dried and chopped Artemisia Absinthium leaf and buds and found that, especially when rolled into a joint with a little bit of good hashis, ir makes me very relaxed and Clearminded. It really calms my Mind.

In fact I have the Green Feary Plant right in my Backyard. I've cut it up once and it split into alot of different stems. It now has many large stems rich of leafs and flowering buds. I think if it's ready for harvesting; when the buds are the biggest, I'll end up with about 100grams of dried Herb if I dry and chop it up.

There is a Psycho-Active Oil substance in Wormwood called Thujone, that is Moleculairly very similar to THC (weed's psycho-active) I'm going to put 2/3 of my dried&chopped Wormwood harvest into a big jar filled with Ethanol Alcohol. I'm going to leave it in there for a couple of days, shaking it every now and then. Then after the Thujone is fully extracted from all the Wormwood Plantmaterial you can filter it all through a piece of cloth, a T-shirt will do, and discard the Thujone-less plant material. The residing Ethanol-Thujone mixture I will put in a pan on a stove with VERY LITTLE heat and all windows open. Slowly the Ethanol alcohol will vaporise into the air and in the pan will be a gummy residue: That is pure Thujone.

I've read on erowid about this and I am going to try extracting the Thujone from my own Wormwood plant to get optimal potency. I'll be experimenting with capsules, teas and smokes made from the Thujone-extract.

Originally Posted by SKA

And why is that? I have often smoked dried and chopped Artemisia Absinthium leaf and buds and found that, especially when rolled into a joint with a little bit of good hashis, ir makes me very relaxed and Clearminded. It really calms my Mind.

In fact I have the Green Feary Plant right in my Backyard. I've cut it up once and it split into alot of different stems. It now has many large stems rich of leafs and flowering buds. I think if it's ready for harvesting; when the buds are the biggest, I'll end up with about 100grams of dried Herb if I dry and chop it up.

There is a Psycho-Active Oil substance in Wormwood called Thujone, that is Moleculairly very similar to THC (weed's psycho-active) I'm going to put 2/3 of my dried&chopped Wormwood harvest into a big jar filled with Ethanol Alcohol. I'm going to leave it in there for a couple of days, shaking it every now and then. Then after the Thujone is fully extracted from all the Wormwood Plantmaterial you can filter it all through a piece of cloth, a T-shirt will do, and discard the Thujone-less plant material. The residing Ethanol-Thujone mixture I will put in a pan on a stove with VERY LITTLE heat and all windows open. Slowly the Ethanol alcohol will vaporise into the air and in the pan will be a gummy residue: That is pure Thujone.

I've read on erowid about this and I am going to try extracting the Thujone from my own Wormwood plant to get optimal potency. I'll be experimenting with capsules, teas and smokes made from the Thujone-extract.
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My ABSINTH is Vick's Formula 44D!

Originally Posted by OmnipotentTitan

I dunno if you can make it into a pill because people react differently to each substance, for example person A might hardly feel weed but get tripped off half a gram of shrooms, while person B might take a toke and be flat on his ass and then eat 3 grams of shrooms and barely feel much.

how would you know wich ones you need tho ?
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well IF you're going to experiment with Mushrooms & Lucid Dreaming then I STRONGLY suggest that you're someone that already does mushrooms & such every now and then already. People who do things like mushrooms every now and then should know what the perfect dose for them is. I know mine, along with my favorite Kind of Mushroom: Roughly estimated 2/3 of 10grams of Hawaiian Copelandia Cyanescens Mushrooms is enough for a very visual, Hallucinogenic yet relaxed and layed back, euphoric trip. if i take JUST that extra 1/3th of shrooms I found out that it trips me JUST a bit too hard. It's a bit too confusing to consciously experience and enjoy the Trip that way for me.

I guess everyone who does Psychedelics such as Mushrooms knows his or her personal relation between dosage & effects. It indeed DOES differ from person to person.

Originally Posted by OmnipotentTitan

My ABSINTH is Vick's Formula 44D!
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What? o_Õ Explain if it might be usefull information.

Absinth, in my Opinion, is a Waste of the Fine and Subtle effects of Wormwood since the alcohol effect seriously overrules the wormwood effect. Might as well drink stro Rum or Goldstrike.

I'm interrested in the effects of Wormwood Alone. And wormwood, like Mugwort, contains Thujone.
So I'm interrested in wether or not the extracted purer version of Thujone may give an even stronger clearminded/slightly psychedelic/calmness-effect than what I have smoked thusfar: Dried Wormwood leafs and buds.

If I have all ingredients to do the extraction I'll get right to it. And I'll do a series of Thujone-sessions: smoking, tea and Sublingual ingestion. And I'm going to carefully write down the (duration of)effects and possible changes in State of Awareness/Consciousness in my blocknote.

From my experience with the herb alone I know it has got potential to be a good Lucid Aid. Lucidity = Clearmindedness. So a little finetuning with the effects of this herb and it's extracted form might do miracles for Lucid Dreaming. Happy experimenting.

Anyone else here with Wormwood Experience? Tell me what you found the effects to be. Also mention how you ingested it(Smoking, Tea, Sublingual, Capsule..etc), what you ingested (Wormwood fresh herb, dried or extracted Thujone from Wormwood) and how much you ingested.

Originally Posted by SKA

well IF you're going to experiment with Mushrooms & Lucid Dreaming then I STRONGLY suggest that you're someone that already does mushrooms & such every now and then already. People who do things like mushrooms every now and then should know what the perfect dose for them is. I know mine, along with my favorite Kind of Mushroom: Roughly estimated 2/3 of 10grams of Hawaiian Copelandia Cyanescens Mushrooms is enough for a very visual, Hallucinogenic yet relaxed and layed back, euphoric trip. if i take JUST that extra 1/3th of shrooms I found out that it trips me JUST a bit too hard. It's a bit too confusing to consciously experience and enjoy the Trip that way for me.

I guess everyone who does Psychedelics such as Mushrooms knows his or her personal relation between dosage & effects. It indeed DOES differ from person to person.

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thats my point tho, if you make a pill that contains all of them then it would be very hard to get just enough of each substance and not 2 much of others.

Originally Posted by SKA

Marijuana (Weed, Pot)
Effect: Euphoric, Physically relaxing sometimes near paralysing-sensation, Psychedelic, Depressant, Philosophical, Inspires Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb/Plant
Active Substance: THC (TetroHydroCannabinol)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Eating (Spacecake&HashBrownie)
Variant: hash (Gummy brown purified Weed-Extract)
Available: Here in Holland in Coffeeshops. Elsewhere, you're outa luck

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I named it absinth because it is an unusual name, and is associated with hallucination, which I link with lucid dreaming (in my mind)

And... I had also just watched Eurotrip

(8)Don't tell Scotty, Scotty doesn't know Scotty doesn't know! (8)
Whahah EuroTrip, man that must have SERIOUSLY been one of the funniest damn movies I've ever seen
Man I really LOVE Matt Daimon's role in it


LMFAO @ Pyrox. You DID notice the Triple Wink didn't you? They don't call it weed for no reason. It grows easily, Fast and hardly anywhere. So if people wanna smoke Ganja, wherever in this world full of Ignorance and Fear of what Marijuana actually is, the just smoke it because it's obtainable everywhere basically. Too bad that all around the world it was Criminalised, made Illegal and thought to be a drug in the same row as Heroin, Cocaine and Speed or whatever. Maybe where you live you can get Marijuana as a Prescription medication: Helps great against Chronic pain and Hyperactivity. I myself have ADHD and I'm considering consultinmg my Psychiatrist about getting me medicational Marijuana. I've found it does miracles for Calming down my Chaotic mind and allowing me to focus/learn much easier.

Originally Posted by OmnipotentTitan

thats my point tho, if you make a pill that contains all of them then it would be very hard to get just enough of each substance and not 2 much of others.
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Yeah I know, that's where Trial and Error should be able to help me figure out the exact doses of each substace. Try again, but this time with more Wormwood. Didn't work? Try again but this time with more Mugwort. Didn't work right? well youb get the point of experimenting. Try try try try and try again and everytime write down the results.
And if it doesn't fit into 1 Gelatin Capsule you can always take 2 or 3.

But first I want to know a couple of substances that are really KNOWN to STIMULATE/potentiate and prolong REM-leep. Calea is one of those herbs. So that's ingredient number 1. Now I also need something to make you rather clearminded (For more Conscious, hopefully Lucid Dreams) and I thought it'd have to be a SMALL amount of Hashis and some Wormwood.

So basically I'm looking for herbs with an effect that would come close to ''Lucid'' when they are combined.
Cuz Lucid mainly is:
-Conscious/awareness High (attention Focus strengthening: Ginko Biloba, Ginseng, Caffeïne?)
-Clearmindedness (A mind-calmer to clear the Mind of excessive spontanious thoughts: Hashis, Wormwood?)
-Complete Sleep Paralysis (Hashis and Marijuana might help that, allthough too much will supress REM-sleep)

C'mon people think with me.

I've been taking melatonin caps before bed for about three weeks, and it definitiely makes dreams very vivid and increases recall. Not 100% sure about how it affects Lucidity though.

I had my first proper WILD taking melatonin in combination with B6, but this may have been a coincidence. When doing WBTB, I find the melatonin makes me very groggy when waking up, so I don’t know if its actually helping with mental alertness.

I have not found any conclusive information about melatonin on this site (please link if you have one ).

SKA, was wondering if you've tried melatonin and what you think about it in terms of Lucidity?

Originally Posted by tai

SKA, was wondering if you've tried melatonin and what you think about it in terms of Lucidity?
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Actually I had Melatonin as a prescription Med. But indeed it made me fall into a way deeper comatic sleep than usual. It whiped out my dreamrecall for years so I stopped taking them. I had 3 MG pills. Still have them and I only occasionally take them to Experiment with them o n Lucid Dreaming. But so far I have only noticed Negative Results on Dream Recall and Lucidity with Melatonin.


Perhaps I could ''tamper'' with the natural prduction of Melatonin in my Brains. As long as the eyes register daylight your brain will send signals to your Pineal Gland to inhibit Melatonin production. Maybe I could sit in the sunlight all day and when the sun goes down I could sit in a room with very bright lights on. Maybe this also inhibits Melatonin production?

I noticed that sitting in the dark for about an hour before I go to bed helps me get really sleepy: Stimulates natural Melatonin production. Perhaps I could use just the right levels of light, length of spending long amounts of time in the light/dark to regulate my natural Melatonin production.

But as for an Ingredient of the Vivid-Dreaming pill it wouldn't do any good to the best of my knowledge. And I had been taking Melatonin for years.

Originally Posted by SKA

Actually I had Melatonin as a prescription Med. But indeed it made me fall into a way deeper comatic sleep than usual. It whiped out my dreamrecall for years so I stopped taking them. I had 3 MG pills. Still have them and I only occasionally take them to Experiment with them o n Lucid Dreaming. But so far I have only noticed Negative Results on Dream Recall and Lucidity with Melatonin.
Perhaps I could ''tamper'' with the natural prduction of Melatonin in my Brains. As long as the eyes register daylight your brain will send signals to your Pineal Gland to inhibit Melatonin production. Maybe I could sit in the sunlight all day and when the sun goes down I could sit in a room with very bright lights on. Maybe this also inhibits Melatonin production?

I noticed that sitting in the dark for about an hour before I go to bed helps me get really sleepy: Stimulates natural Melatonin production. Perhaps I could use just the right levels of light, length of spending long amounts of time in the light/dark to regulate my natural Melatonin production.

But as for an Ingredient of the Vivid-Dreaming pill it wouldn't do any good to the best of my knowledge. And I had been taking Melatonin for years.
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ephedrine will keep your mind awake.

Originally Posted by OmnipotentTitan

ephedrine will keep your mind awake.
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Ephedrine as in PseudoEphedra, a substance found in Plants?
I also know Ephedra but that is what is known here as Cheap XTC. It basically races your heart. I believe it was a Derivative of Ephedrine from the plant.

But thanks. I'll list all of it here.
Okay here are the 3 desired effects I wish to combine:

-Conscious/awareness High (attention Focus strengthening)
* Ginko Biloba, Ginseng, Caffeïne, Ephedrine, Calea Zacatechichi Dreamherb
-Clearmindedness (A mind-calmer to clear the Mind of excessive spontanious thoughts)
*SMALL amounts of Hashis, Wormwood, Earl Grey Tea
-Complete Sleep Paralysis:Numbing/Relaxing the Body to be able to ''sink away deeply'' fast
*Small amounts of Weed, SMALL amounts of Alcohol and other Depressants: Too much will supress REM-sleep

Okay now you guys can help me add more herbs, substances and other supplements to each of those 3 cathegories let's make a long long list of them all.
When we've got quite a list the Experimenting can start. I'll be the Guinny Pig

Originally Posted by SKA

Ephedrine as in PseudoEphedra, a substance found in Plants?
I also know Ephedra but that is what is known here as Cheap XTC. It basically races your heart. I believe it was a Derivative of Ephedrine from the plant.

But thanks. I'll list all of it here.
Okay here are the 3 desired effects I wish to combine:

-Conscious/awareness High (attention Focus strengthening)
* Ginko Biloba, Ginseng, Caffeïne, Ephedrine, Calea Zacatechichi Dreamherb
-Clearmindedness (A mind-calmer to clear the Mind of excessive spontanious thoughts)
*SMALL amounts of Hashis, Wormwood, Earl Grey Tea
-Complete Sleep Paralysis:Numbing/Relaxing the Body to be able to ''sink away deeply'' fast
*Small amounts of Weed, SMALL amounts of Alcohol and other Depressants: Too much will supress REM-sleep

Okay now you guys can help me add more herbs, substances and other supplements to each of those 3 cathegories let's make a long long list of them all.
When we've got quite a list the Experimenting can start. I'll be the Guinny Pig
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how do you know what you need more of, start with a few first and add more later

Originally Posted by OmnipotentTitan

how do you know what you need more of, start with a few first and add more later
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Exactly. Trial and Error. I could try to take Melatonin AND Ephedrine stuffed in 1 gelatin capsule to recreate somewhat Lucid Circumstances: Sleepyness & Wakefullness at the same time. I can try starting with 1 MiliGram of each and then dosing up each by 1 or 0,5 extra miligram.

For the same sleepyness and Wakefullness -feeling I've aslo been thinking of using Kratom herb, which is said to have the effects of chewing on Coca Leafs (Stimulant, Clearminded wakefullness) while smoking Opium (Sleepyness, Dreamy). Kratom however is a pretty harmless asian herb and is widely available in herb stores and smartshops. chinese herbalists might have it too.


So I might check if I can buy some Ephedrine at my Favourite smartshop. I can also get Kratom herb there. I've still got Melatonin and B6 lying around the house.

Originally Posted by SKA

Exactly. Trial and Error. I could try to take Melatonin AND Ephedrine stuffed in 1 gelatin capsule to recreate somewhat Lucid Circumstances: Sleepyness & Wakefullness at the same time. I can try starting with 1 MiliGram of each and then dosing up each by 1 or 0,5 extra miligram.

For the same sleepyness and Wakefullness -feeling I've aslo been thinking of using Kratom herb, which is said to have the effects of chewing on Coca Leafs (Stimulant, Clearminded wakefullness) while smoking Opium (Sleepyness, Dreamy). Kratom however is a pretty harmless asian herb and is widely available in herb stores and smartshops. chinese herbalists might have it too.
So I might check if I can buy some Ephedrine at my Favourite smartshop. I can also get Kratom herb there. I've still got Melatonin and B6 lying around the house.
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keep us updated

Originally Posted by SKA

Maybe I could sit in the sunlight all day and when the sun goes down I could sit in a room with very bright lights on. Maybe this also inhibits Melatonin production?

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Your life sounds great!

Thanks for the reply.

Well tonight I'm doing a Herbal experiment.

I smoked a Joint with Hops and Weed at 22:00
I had 2 sandwitches with Peanutbutter + Chocolate Sprinkles at 22:30
I started drinking a tea made from Grean Tea+Ginseng+Valerian at 22:50 and I finished it at 22:59
I took 2 Vitamin B-Complex pills at 22:52
Also I took one 3 MiliGram pill Melatonin at 22:52
I smoked 1 cigarette at 22:54

Now I'm going to take a leak and then go to sleep. I wonder if these Herbs + B-complex vitamins will affect my Dreams tonight.
I'll keep my Dream Journal right next to my bed together with a pen.

I'll post the results here tomorrow.

I don't see how pot could be conducive to lucidity... when I'm stoned I can't focus for sh*t. Even if I could manage to become lucid, I'd probably just forget that I was dreaming after like 10 seconds.

Marijuana (Weed, Pot)
Effect: Euphoric, Physically relaxing sometimes near paralysing-sensation, Psychedelic, Depressant, Philosophical, Inspires Imagination greatly.
Type: Herb/Plant
Active Substance: THC (TetroHydroCannabinol)
Ingestion: Smoking dried herb, Eating (Spacecake&HashBrownie)
Variant: hash (Gummy brown purified Weed-Extract)
Available: Here in Holland in Coffeeshops. Elsewhere, you're outa luck
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:finger:

Will be intersting to see your results from the others ones, I might be interested to try some of them.

Originally Posted by DuB

I don't see how pot could be conducive to lucidity... when I'm stoned I can't focus for sh*t. Even if I could manage to become lucid, I'd probably just forget that I was dreaming after like 10 seconds.
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Actually, in my case, my thoughtprocess is very chaotic and spontanious. It sometimes makes it hard for me to concentrate without being distracted by an inner thought. Also I'm easily distracted by external stimuli.
When I smoke pot my thought process seems to calm down to a nice clearminded stream of tyhoughts. In this calmed condition I find it much easier to focus on things, reading material, TV-programs, Drawing...ect concentration is much better then.

however if I smoke it right before going to sleep it makes me sleep topo deep. that's why I stop smoking weed early in the evening.

Too bad that the Hops/Weed joints I smoked earlier made me ZONK off into a waaaay deep sleep leaving me with no dreamrecall at all this morning. The weed also was very good, strong weed so it might have kinda knocked me out.

Now it DID all really physically and mentally relax me. Mainly by the Valerian's effects I guess.
Tonight I will not smoke any weed or hops.
I will drink a cup of Ginseng/Valerian Tea with some Eastern Mint added from my garden.
Then I'll take 1 Vitamin B-complex pill and see what it does for my Dreams and Sleep.

Originally Posted by SKA

Actually, in my case, my thoughtprocess is very chaotic and spontanious. It sometimes makes it hard for me to concentrate without being distracted by an inner thought. Also I'm easily distracted by external stimuli.
When I smoke pot my thought process seems to calm down to a nice clearminded stream of tyhoughts. In this calmed condition I find it much easier to focus on things, reading material, TV-programs, Drawing...ect concentration is much better then.

however if I smoke it right before going to sleep it makes me sleep topo deep. that's why I stop smoking weed early in the evening.

Too bad that the Hops/Weed joints I smoked earlier made me ZONK off into a waaaay deep sleep leaving me with no dreamrecall at all this morning. The weed also was very good, strong weed so it might have kinda knocked me out.

Now it DID all really physically and mentally relax me. Mainly by the Valerian's effects I guess.
Tonight I will not smoke any weed or hops.
I will drink a cup of Ginseng/Valerian Tea with some Eastern Mint added from my garden.
Then I'll take 1 Vitamin B-complex pill and see what it does for my Dreams and Sleep.
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dont place too much impotance on B vitamins, I've taken a strong b complex 3 times daily before and I cant recall having any extra dreams during that period.

any updats on the project ?

Originally Posted by OmnipotentTitan

any updats on the project ?
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From what I've gathered (and the seemingly apparent general consensus)...there is no magic dream pill (too much public divience). The magic helpers are generally stimulants which you can sleep on. And not generally recommended health-wise.