Thread: Dream Potentiating Herbs Listed

I'm not gonna go on a diet to see if this herb works. Last time I tried it (about 2,5 grams in 3 days) I did have some unusual dreaming experiences, nothing too spectacular and I can't say for sure if it was Silene related.
But I'm gonna try it again in about a week, if the results are similar, then at least it has some effect on me. But first I'm gonna try something else (phenylalanine) to see if that has a more noticable effect.

does anyone know any good sites in america to to buy herbs and stuff?

I'm currently using iamshaman.com

Okay I tried sleeping on a "trippy dose" of Nutmeg and the results were quite interresting.

I ground up fresh Nutmeg nuts with mortar and pestle. 2,5 Tablespoons. I ate them at 23:10. Put them in a glass, mixed with a little water, chugged it down and chased it with a large glass of icetea. Not too bad at all; alot of people just complain too much.

23:30 - Mild and gradually increasing Euphoria, peace and Physical & Mental calmness.

00:42 - Previously mentioned sensations have gradually increased. Slightly sluggish/impaired/slowed down.

01:14 Feeling physically very high. Very light and I constantly felt an itchy, adrenaline-rush type of tickling sensation inside my chest and belly; I felt much like a sensation of combining XTC, Low blood sugar and being extremely stoned.

I went to bed and the last time I checked the Time it was 04:14. I must have soon afterwards fallen asleep cuz here is what I dreamt.

The Dream:
I was in a large, dark, modernly furnished house.White floor, black walls, black couches. It was dark as if it was just before midnight and I was in that house with a female friend of mine. I remember being very happy with her. I was somehow teaching her how to live Mentally free of shame and the judgement of others and to just be herself and be joyfull. We were Running and shoving ourselves over the smooth floor and having fun like little children. We both felt very happy and liberated. Then some fuckups happened cuz my memory is scrambled of what happened after that untill I remembered this: I was still in that same house: It had become much darker than it innitially was. Some Computer- and Stereo- Display lighjts were on and they were the only light in the dark living room. I was lying on the big black comfortable Coutch and my friend was also in the house around me. A woman with her 4 little children came by. I believe she was the woman that actually lives here down the block. She has alot of children. Very pretty woman I was still lying on the Coutch and I suddenly noticed how extremely Tripped up I felt. I felt inside of me a sort of strong Puslating of Bodily and Mental Excitement. What a rushing sensation. [ I suspect this was the Nutmeg's effects really kicking in. In my Dream I made up a reason as to why I felt that way: I reasoned that I had eaten my Mescaline bearing San Pedro Cactus, which I have in Real Life, and that that was why I was feeling so tripped.

It became really intense and I crowched together in the couch and prepared to undergo the sensations as I would in Waking Life. I remembered thinking about Mescaline Cacti Trip reports I have Read in Waking Life some of them stating they felt Mescaline was more intense than LSD. This bizare Scene continued into eternity it seemed.
I wanted to get up from the Couch but I felt I could: Paralysed. I reasoned: it must be a side effect of this psychedelic trance and I tried to move my spirit back into my body to be able to get up from the couch. As I did this, repeatedly trying to lift my arms up and get up, I suddenly saw the Dream fading. It bedcame dark and I was still trying to raise my arm. I was now aware that I had been dreaming and that I was now slowly waking up. I was lying there thinking of what to do and I thought I should wake up to write down the Dream. I finally managed to open my eyes and raise my arm. I found no good penbs so I used a dried out pen to ndraw a tiny Cactus on a sheet of paper; It proved to be enough for me to be able to remember the entire dream again.

When I was awake it was exactly 05:00 meaning I had only slept for about 45 minutes while in my experience it seemed like more than at least 5 hours seriously.
Also I have NEVER ever before awoken after a Dreamperiod; always slept straight till the morning.

Interresting thing this Nutmeg; I might get a capsule machine so I can put it in capsules.

Sounds good, so two and a half tablespoon of ground whole nutmegs is an average dose? I have no idea, never used it, you say a 'trippy'dose, so how psychedelic would it be when you take it awake? Like smoking a joint or something?

But from what you describe it is kind of hard to sleep when you use it, sounds like a stimulant. That would explain why you woke up directly from your dream.

By the way, I'm gonna try using Silene Cap. again, now just a little dose but for a whole week, see what it does.

Originally Posted by yoast

Sounds good, so two and a half tablespoon of ground whole nutmegs is an average dose? I have no idea, never used it, you say a 'trippy'dose, so how psychedelic would it be when you take it awake? Like smoking a joint or something?

But from what you describe it is kind of hard to sleep when you use it, sounds like a stimulant. That would explain why you woke up directly from your dream.

By the way, I'm gonna try using Silene Cap. again, now just a little dose but for a whole week, see what it does.[/b]

I don't know: I've read experience reports on erowid from people who did Nutmeg that were a complete trip and poeple having felt just a longlasting sensation. I myself have experienced the latter. Allthough it wasn't really psychological or hallucinogenic at all I felt very high. Pleasant relaxation of the Body and Mind. Feeling a great Void of Clearness in your body and mind. Allows you to be really clearminded and concentrated. Nothing to fear, nothing freakazoid/schizoid/psycho-delic. If you can enjoy an alcohol- or marijuana- buzz you will most defenitely like this too. Nutmeg's effects are Unique and defenitely an "intelligent high" which can aid really good in Meditation and Dreaming vividly and consciously. Keep it under 3 Tablespoons though.

I think most people who had intense, sometimes even overly intense Nutmeg experiences were people that ate more than 3 tablespoons. This occurred to me when I had read through quite alot of Nutmeg experience reports.

By the way, my second attempt with Silene Capensis was a complete bust, just like the first... makes me sad. Do you people heat the water you put your crushed root in like a real tea, or just mix the stuff in with room-temp water and chug it? I've been assuming the former but if not, then maybe I've been heat-damaging whatever it is that's supposed to supercharge my dreams?

I suspect not, since caffeine is an alkaloid and hot coffee does nothing to it, but...

Well, I'm definitely gonna try the nutmeg, sounds great, I'll post results when i've tried it.

About the Silene capensis, I did it with hot water, just like normal tea, my results were not very conclusive, but it did seem to do something, so I'm gonna try that again.

I was thinking of this: What about making an Alcoholic DreamEnhancing Tincture? Alot of herbs' material can be seperated from their psycho-active alkaloid. This goes for Wormwood, Mugwort, Psilocybin Mushrooms, Cannabis...etc

How about a 1 litre alcoholic Tinture in a large Jar, using a strong Liquor like Whiskey, Ouzo, Vodka or Tequilla, with about 10 grams of Mugwort, 10 grams of Calea Zacatechichi, 10 grams of African DreamRoot, 2 Tablespoons of Coffee AND/OR 2 Tablespoons of Cacao AND/OR 2 capsules of Ephedra, 5 capsules of Ginkgo Biloba, 2 tablespoons of Nutmeg and 3 cans of Energy Drink like Red Bull, 3 bags of strong Tea, some 10 grams of Middle Eastern Mint(for taste) and the Juice of 2 squeezed lemons or limes. You should let this Alcoholic Tincture sit for about 4 days and 4 nights while stirring and shaking it up firmly every now and then. Keep it in a dark and cool place.

After 4 days and 4 nights It's time to open the jar, get another jar, put a Coffeefilter or piece of Cotton Tshirt over the empty Jar's opening and poor the Tincture through the filter into the empty jar. Once the empty jar has been filled there will be alot of plant material on the filtercloth. Make sure you press out as much Liquid as you can before discarding the plantmaterial slurry.

The result should be an alcoholic drink with ALOT of DreamEnhancing alkaloids present in it.
Maybe anyone here has any other suggestions as to what herbs to use for this DreamTincture?

All right. I want herbs that don't mimic being stoned, and I want ones that can be easily consumed, without adverse effects. I want to try Melatonin + Valerian Root + Vitamin B6, but I don't know where to find these things, and don't know if it's even legal to do so, at my age. I wanted to try... what was it? Kava Kava?
I decided against it because of the liver toxicity. So, maybe I should start grinding up all the dream inducers, and put them into one capsule. Wonder what would happen then. Does anyone know which dream inducer herbs are native to the united states/canada area? Or can be easily bought from there? Thanks, in advance.

Riley: You can find any and everything we've been talking about in the US, either at a local "smart shop" or online from nutriceutical/shaman stores. As to what grows naturally in the US, all I can think of would be Mugwort, which is actually an invasive weed in North America and not naturally occuring per se, but you can still find it around in the Northeast and maybe the pacific coast? Actually, you can probably find it all over the place as long as it's not too far south.

I'm not entirely sure if Calea Z might grow in the Southwest US somewhere, but I'd guess it doesn't, or at least not in abundance. Valerian occurs in North America, but I'm not sure where, or how easy it is to prepare the root from it.

Generally speaking all the herbs we talk about don't mimic being stoned since being stoned would depress your nervous system and cause you to experience deeper, more dreamless sleep. Oneirogens are as a rule stimulatory; they ramp up your brain's activity during the night to give you those vivid dreams. For the same reason, you might not want to use them if getting a good, full night's sleep is more important to you on a given night than having amazing dreams, since you probably will have more restless sleep. Melatonin might be the exception to that, might be. I'm not entirely sure.

I found melatonin/B6 combo pills at a Walmart... 120 for $5? I'm not sure exactly. And I think Valerian is pretty commonplace; any new-agey shop ought to have some on them, or barring that you might have luck at a vitamin shop too.

Great. I'm trying Kava-Kava right now, have lerned that it degrades the liver if taken in a long time, and have noticed that getting to sleep is harder. Also, B6 isn't helping too much. since my mom is a botanist as a hobby, I'll ask her if I can keep taking Kava-Kava and B6 and if it's safe to start using malitonin and valerian.

Well it's good, and noticed a slight increase in recall, so I'll feign from using for a few days, and then have a lot, like 200 mg of B6, 12mg of Melatonin, and 1600mg of Valerian root. Let's see what happens, shall we?

Salvia divinorum is primarly known for it's psychedelic or dissociative effects. And SKA, I know you mentioned that you did not get effects from 5x or 10x extracts. I have read that Saliva sold at headshops is very often much less potent than what is sold online. At 10x extract, Salvia should be VERY active.

This link suggests that Saliva is mislabeled as a hallucinogen and should actually be considered an oneirogenic plant:
http://www.shaman-australis.com/~claude/salvia2.html

Also, a member on another message board said this about Salvia as a dream potentiator: "one thing that I have found more reliable though is Salvia. I could just eat a tiny pinch of that and have long long vivid dreams every night for 2 weeks straight."

Anyone attempted using Salvia divinorum as an oneirogen? I will perform some experiments soon.

Use the search feature of DreamViews for posts containing the word Salvia, by the poster DrTechnical and you'll find some posts about salvia as an oneirogen.

Anyway it would be cool if you post any interesting results from your experiments.

Thanks dodobird. It seems I'm developing a reputation. And I agree, you need to have good salvia, and you need to understand how to use it. It's the most complex pycho-active drug I have ever used.

yeah, that was useful dodobird, thanks.

1st Attempt (Results):
A fingernail size amount of 20x Salvia divinorum was taken orally at bedtime in a gelcap. My mind was so restless and active all night. I saw more hypnagogic imagery than ever before, and I also heard the screeching, squealing sort of sound that an alert mind can sometimes hear upon crossing the wake/sleep barrier. So, I would say that even on a very small oral dose, the potential for helping keep the mind activated all night is great. However, the heightened mental activity did keep me awake half the night, which was unpleasant and frustrating.

Other Observations/Ideas:
I believe that the placebo effect as well as other factors could have contributed to my results, but the results were quite unique and convincing compared to my normal night's sleep. I suspect that the best methods for exploring dreams are probably the natural ones, such as practice, intent, experience, those things. But if you are curious and willing to chance a restless night in bed, Salvia divinorum might yield interesting results for you as well. I will experiment with Salvia again, but probably not right away. I need restful sleep.

Recently I discovered quite a few other Dreamherbs that were also used by Zulu and Xhosa african tribes. The class of plants they use as teacher plants to receive visions in Dreams they call "Ubuwalu".

Silene Capensis is an Ubuwalu, but on 2 sites I've found some more interresting Ubuwalu herbs. I think I'll order a whole bunch of them soon.

Here are a bunch of these Ubuwalu herbs one Psychoactiveherbs.com:
http://psychoactiveherbs.com/catalog...?cPath=194_202

Here are 2 rather unknown DreamHerbs, the last 2 herbs;
http://www.shamanic-extracts.com/xca...nducing-herbs/


But does anyone know where these 2 shamanic/herbal suppliers I mentioned are based in the Netherlands? I don't like having to pay huge bills due to hypocritical shipping costs.

It looks like shamanic-extracts is in the Netherlands, but I've always heard that PsychoactiveHerbs is in Indonesia.

I just ordered some Calea Zacatechichi from Bouncing Bear Botanicals. I'll post a report here when I use it. In the meantime, time to read this entire thread!

I would suggest you use your calea in conjunction with WBTB. That works the best.

Originally Posted by DrTechnical

I would suggest you use your calea in conjunction with WBTB. That works the best.

Sweet, thanks! My package is in today, so I'll be trying it out tonight.

I realize my post was a little ambiguous.

I don't believe Calea's effect lasts more than 3-4 hours. So your best bet is to sleep 5-6 hours, take your calea and go back to bed. This insures maximum effect from the calea during good rem periods.

ahhh, ok, that makes more sense. I was actually wondering about that.

I've also found Calea to come on fast, sometimes it's worn off before I've managed to get to sleep. I'll have to try it with WBTB.

Great thread SKA