Thread: Galantamine + Choline

Ok, took G/C last night.
This time.... Absolutely nothing happened.
NOTHING...

Oh well....

Next...

I've been taking the Lucid Dreamer G+C combo now for about six months and have exceptional success almost every time. I have never used these supplements more than once a week because of immunity issues and I never liked the idea of having to take yet another supplement to neutralize the G+C combo.

I always WBTB for 4.5 to 6 hours and I only stay awake long enough to go to the bath room and take the pills. I have been averaging from 4 to 8 LD's every time I take the supplement.

Then I wait a day or two and attempt to WILD by WBTB for 4.5 to 6 hours. I usually wake up for 45 minutes and review the technique that I will use and then retire once again. Here I have been averaging 2 to 6 LD's

I then wait for another 4 to 5 days to repeat the process. I find that I can average at least 1 LD every night even though my LD's only usually happen two nights a week and that I am much more successful doing it this way than making an attempt every night.

Hope this helps...

I have tried the following

• Binaural Audio
• Monroe Institute Gateway Program Just up to Focus 10
• Monroe hemi-sync Lucid Dreaming DVD
• Steve G Jones Lucid Dreaming Platinum Version
• Advanced Dream Nutition Dreamscape
• Calea Zacatechichi tea (never again!)
• Entada Rhedii (opened the shell ate the endosperm)
• Kava Kava (homemade tasted like drinking sand!)
• Life Enhancement Galantamind 8mg

The only time I've had consistent results is after listening to I-dosers Lucid Dream but none of the other Binuarals have any effect on me. To date I've had approximately 3 or 4 DILDs.
The only enthogen I havn't tried is Selenine Capensis. That's the next on the list god I hope it doesn't tase as bad as CZ and KK.

Hey, ethan_hines...

Have you tried reading some of the threads that deal with the basic WILD, and MILD techniques? BillyBob's WILD is a good place to start:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/how-wild-62282/

I figured I'll add my experience. I got a bunch of "brilliant dreams" galantamine 4mg +choline dihydrogen citrate 100mg + melatonin 0.5mg + vitamin "B" 50mg. Just like my previous experiments with galantamine, this concoction failed. I used it on 5 occasions, every time I ended up with horrible insomnia - just laying in bed in agony. I tried taking that both before bed and after a few hours. No notable effect on dreaming. Not worth the discomfort.

The pills are made in China, which does not fill me with confidence that they contain what's advertised on the bottle.

Originally Posted by Ev

I figured I'll add my experience. I got a bunch of "brilliant dreams" galantamine 4mg +choline dihydrogen citrate 100mg + melatonin 0.5mg + vitamin "B" 50mg. Just like my previous experiments with galantamine, this concoction failed. I used it on 5 occasions, every time I ended up with horrible insomnia - just laying in bed in agony. I tried taking that both before bed and after a few hours. No notable effect on dreaming. Not worth the discomfort.

The pills are made in China, which does not fill me with confidence that they contain what's advertised on the bottle.

I'm glad I'm not the only one Galanatamine causes to stay awake all night.

It gives me a hard time to fall asleep, but you guys, it's intended for WBTB. Make sure you're still sleepy as hell when you take the pill and take it just before you are going back to sleep. If you need the WBTB to be longer, make sure it's not long enough for you to have a hard time falling asleep. You'd want to be sleeping within 10 minutes.

I did it this morning again and got lucid. The clarity of the dreams gets enchanced alot when I take this. But when I wake up at the end of next cycle, I have a real hard time falling asleep.

My experience with G+C combo has helped me more than I originally thought. I havn't taken my G+C combo in about 1 and 1/2 months. So far my natural lucid dream rate has gone up exponentially. I'm currently having 1-3 natural LDs a week compared to 1 natural every other month. I believe this combo has helped me understand how to keep myself more aware in the waking reality and that has pushed over into my dreams.

I plan on using G+C combo soon but i'm enjoying the natural route atm...

I think this stuff will help you in the long run if you do not abuse it. Keep on trying, there is an overwhelming amount of people that have great success with this combo. I'm sure this will give newcomers the ability to achieve lucidity as well as help them along the path. Keep dreamin.

-SK

I'm currently experimenting with G+C. The first night I took 4 + 100 at bedtime and noticed nothing out of the ordnary. The next night I took 8 + 200 after 3,5 hours of sleep. I probably waited to long before I went back to bed because I couldn't sleep for another 2,5 hours. But then... Success!

I stretched my arms and found myself in a hospital. There was a reception desk and several nurses was walking trough the hall. The color of the floor was green. I let my hand glide along the floor and it felt incredibly real. There was some splashes of fluid and I could feel my hand getting wet. For some reason I decided that I wanted to jump out of a window in the end of the hall. I was on a floor high up in the building and I wanted to fly. So I started running towards the window. I passed a couple of nurses that looked really scared when they realized I was going to jump. I jumped through the window and... hit the ground!! Then I woke up and could'nt get back into the dream.
I wish I would have been smart enough to not pull a stupid stunt like that just yet.

The LD lasted for about 30 seconds, but I feel it could have lasted much longer if I hadn't jumped. I must say that I am very optimistic about the results and will try it again after a couple of days of. This was my third LD in 2011, and I am certain that it was not random that it happened the same night I took the supplements.

I have tried G+C two more times since the last post. The successrate is 50/50. I succeded again this morning.

Here are my findings:
Both times when it worked i did WILD. And both times it took a good while before I entered a dream. Also, after a while, I switched position from my back to the side (maybe after an hour), and that's when the magic has happened. I will first enter a normal dream (this morning it was a dream about trying to LD), then I wake up and enter a LD shortly after.

I have also failed two times. That is when I have done nothing to get a LD. Just WBTB and took the supplements. Thos times I have had very vivid dreams and great dream recall (wich I normally don't have).

Galantamine and choline together are amazing. I use them together every three or four days and I succesfully wild everytime. I also get the loud screeching sound and also vibrations sometimes with out of body exits into ld.

The only side effect I get is upset stomach. Although it is only a little problem one time I did actually get sick.

With these two combined and Dream boost I can have up to 3 wilds in a night.

I ordered some, I'll def post my results!

Originally Posted by lucidlion

I wish I would have been smart enough to not pull a stupid stunt like that just yet. .

That made me laugh

Anyone experience with G/C and a mindmachine? I recently got a David Delight mindmachine, and just ordered some G/C... that could be wild experiences

Dont you feel also that some evenings you´re more ready then others? Sometimes i feel even before i go to bed slightly vibrations. It feels like someone is telling
me "ok this night is a good night" hehe

Originally Posted by Panthau

That made me laugh

Anyone experience with G/C and a mindmachine? I recently got a David Delight mindmachine, and just ordered some G/C... that could be wild experiences

Dont you feel also that some evenings you´re more ready then others? Sometimes i feel even before i go to bed slightly vibrations. It feels like someone is telling
me "ok this night is a good night" hehe

sounds like your in for a hell of a ride.

Yeah, some nights a feel vibrations as soon as i lay down!

Yeah it could definitly help falling asleep, as thats one of its main purposes. On the other hand, the mind altering
sessions, which are for ld and the like, could really lead to interesting experiences... hehe

I don't know if Galantamine is available without prescription in my country.

Does anyone here know if Choline alone, without Galantamine, is able to give vivid, memorable dreams?

Choline is appearantly abundantly present in many foods. According to Wikipedia;
-Beef liver (yuck!)
-Hard boiled eggs
-Cod fish
-Chicken
-Milk
-Soy Lecithine
-caulyflower
-Spinach
-Wheat germ
-Tofu
-Kidney beans
-Uncooked Quinoa
-Uncooked Amaranth

I guess it would be nice to try and make a salad with Kidney beans, hardboiled egg, Cauliflower, Codfish, Wheatgerm, Green pepper, Feta cheese, Rucola Lettuce & Milk/LemonJuice/Spices-dressing.
Suppose this would be a nice Choline bomb to eat half an hour to an hour before bedtime.

You should be able to get choline tablets at your local viatamine store. I took choline alone for about a month and couldnt really see a difference in recall or vividness. I bought galantamine on ebay the guy sent me diriction for use threw email. He sells it as a Lucid Dreaming supplement. I can do a WILD every time i take the two together.

You can also find a pill online that is a combination of the two (galantamine and choline) I believe it is called lucid dreamer.

Originally Posted by SKA

I don't know if Galantamine is available without prescription in my country.

Does anyone here know if Choline alone, without Galantamine, is able to give vivid, memorable dreams?

Choline is appearantly abundantly present in many foods. According to Wikipedia;
-Beef liver (yuck!)
-Hard boiled eggs
-Cod fish
-Chicken
-Milk
-Soy Lecithine
-caulyflower
-Spinach
-Wheat germ
-Tofu
-Kidney beans
-Uncooked Quinoa
-Uncooked Amaranth

I guess it would be nice to try and make a salad with Kidney beans, hardboiled egg, Cauliflower, Codfish, Wheatgerm, Green pepper, Feta cheese, Rucola Lettuce & Milk/LemonJuice/Spices-dressing.
Suppose this would be a nice Choline bomb to eat half an hour to an hour before bedtime.

For a while I ate soy lecithin granules in milk before bed. I didn't really notice that much difference. I think your body uses it up quickly, and block too much from getting to your brain, which is why you need to use galantamine.

Hi guys,

I follow this topic for quite a while, going through every single reply has helped to get close to my best method on this combo. Today I decided to ask for your kind advises.

I am able to have LD without the aid of supplements, but this combo is just amazing and nothing compares to it.

My rate on it is not that good, something like 50%. However I believe Im not doing something quite right and I have seen no one here to talk about something similar I experience. Here is what I do and my issue:

1)Wake up after 4.5 hrs
2)Take supplements: (G 6mg + Chol 400mg + L-Thean 200mg) ç
3) Wee wee and back to bed after 20 min.
4) Meditate 20 minutes and turn into my side wait for dreams
5) I always blackout between 1 hour and 1,5 after the supplements have been taken.


Then, I look at the watch, 30 minutes have passed. Get up, have a glass of water and go back to bed. Blackout again, wake up 30 minutes later. And Again, I get up, do some mentalization and go to bed.

ALWAYS, after the 2nd time I wake up and go to bed, I WILD!! So, its always between 2 hours and 3 hours I take the supplements. That sucks because the supplements are now far from the peak plasma and the LD is not that interesting.

I am starting to believe I am not having the minimum sleep hours requested from my body before make the attempt. It seems after I take the supplement I go again on shorts periods of deep sleep, and after 1 have this 1 hour of deep sleep I finally Wild. Or could it be the fact I stand up for 5 minutes and do some mentalization.

It bothers me a lot, have to wait 2 or 3 hours to Wild...what you guys make out of it?

My best regards, and keep the good work on this thread!

Originally Posted by dodobird

I tried it last night as a WILD aid with success.
I'm a newbie and I had just 2 WILDs before, and this WILD was much more full fledged, and I didn't lose my awareness for a second.
(This is my second time of trying Galantamine + Choline. The first time was about a month ago and I failed and fell asleep, and I slept quite badly too)

I took 4mg Galantamine and 500mg Choline Bitartrate about 4:30 hours after going to sleep. I then attempted to do WILD.
I tried to do relaxation meditation, to stop the "voice in the head", the annoying thinking that distructs you. I was quite unsuccessful, so I gave up on relaxation after about 20 minutes and leaned on the side, and waited for HI.
After about 20 minutes I heard the most horrible screeching sound as if the very fabric of reality is being torn apart, and after I endured that I entered the dream.
The dream was very vivid, very clear and organized. Every once in a while I felt like I was waking up, and I didn't move so I can re-enter the dream, and I succeeded in re-entering the dream about 4 times. I don't know if it was false or real awakenings.
All together the dream ( or chained dreams ) were rather long, about an hour. I was very satisfied with the dream, but for my taste this dream was too normal and neat, I prefer more bizarre dreams. In this dream I was walking around in a city. I could think very clearly, and I remembered that I wanted just to look around and observe the dream-scape. I remembered someone ( I think billybob ) suggesting to focus on textures in order to make the dream more vivid and detailed, and I looked closely at the texture on my hand, the walls etc.

Side effects:
1) After waking for good from the dream, (which I decided to do because I had enough ), I was very awake, and couldn't go back to sleep ( and didn't want to go to sleep )
But that was fine because I lay there reviewing the dream for a while.
2) In the morning I fealt very slight 'heart-burn', and some hunger, which is unusual for me to feel in morning.
3) During the day ( now ) I feel more alert than usual, my sight is slightly different: kinda sprarkly and a little less focused, as if it was over-focused to a degree that you see a little less clearly. The same goes for my thoughts, they are a little too quick, in a way which makes the flow of thinking a little less continuous. It's literary feels as if each neuron in my brain is shooting too fast, and so the next neuron can't catch up fast enough to enable normal, relaxed thoughts. But these effects are quite subtle, and not a major problem.

If I will feel any other side effects during the day I will update.

I will now let the Galantamine clear out of my body, and may try again in about week, and report again.

I also do agree.

Choline shouldn't be hard to obtain round here.
I really need to figure out wether or not Galantamine can be obtained without a doctor's prescription here in The Netherlands.

If I can't get it without prescription, perhaps it is possible to extract Galantamine from snowdrop flowers and bulbs.

If I remember correctly, there is some poison in those flowers too. And you need a lot of them to extract enough.

Got mine

i took 4mg Galantamine, 200mg Choline and 200 mg of B6 before i went to bed, woke up 3 hours later and had my first successful WILD it happened so fast that it took my off guard. i did an RC and found it very easy to stabalize the LD.