Thread: Galantamine + Choline

Alright, sounds like you're at the ideal place to bring Galantamine into your approach. I had had maybe 3 or 4 lucids before I did it. And I just realized, it's been a long time since I've even used Galantamind, and I have a bottle nearly full. I need to bust it out and start trying it again.

What do you recon to Galantamine? Is it worth it? Obviously learning naturally is the way to go but can this be used to improve anything?

Ok - definetly only take this shiz when you dont have to be up for a certain time or have to go to work.
My second try I got better results (i used a lesser dosage - opened the pill and poured out about 30% of it), took me a while to fall asleep but I must have woken up between 5-10 times towards the end of the night, which turnt out quite good, I was re-entering the same dream again and again, was quite awesome, I was on holiday on a beach, and kept re-entering it but in another situation on the beach. I tried to work a mild into but I just kept passing out then waking up every 20-30 minutes like "shit, i went back there and still didnt realise"
Conclusion - I felt like I had a really light sleep, which wasnt too nice throughout the day, though being able to drift in and out of dreams was quite neat, and I can see how it would benefit with more practise.
Have to wait another week till I can try it again though.

Thinking about picking up some L-Theanine or whatever it is so I dont sleep too light. I see a few people are using it.

Question - my pills are galantamine + choline, will L-Theanine have any negative effects with this combination, anyone tried it?

It'll be fine . I've used that exact combo and it works nicely - no side effects from adding the L-Theanine except it helps you get back to sleep. Plus of course it's recommended after much testing and research by mr. Yuschak.

just had my first real lucid dream with 100mg of 5-htp at bed time and 8mg galantamind 5 hours later. so awesome!

Little update: I was on a trip over the weekend and took my first ever Galantamind pill at about 5:00am after waking up. There's no doubt in my mind this stuff would work a treat, however, while I got really close to sleep, I think it took me too long and I was unable to properly drift off once the pill properly kicked in. I was drifting on the very edge, and at one point nearly fell into sleep. My eyes were REMing like crazy for about 2 minutes as well, even while awake, so I can only imagine how that would've gone down if I were asleep. Alas. I'll try again tonight!

Originally Posted by Astrosomnia

Little update: I was on a trip over the weekend and took my first ever Galantamind pill at about 5:00am after waking up. There's no doubt in my mind this stuff would work a treat, however, while I got really close to sleep, I think it took me too long and I was unable to properly drift off once the pill properly kicked in. I was drifting on the very edge, and at one point nearly fell into sleep. My eyes were REMing like crazy for about 2 minutes as well, even while awake, so I can only imagine how that would've gone down if I were asleep. Alas. I'll try again tonight!

Try a lesser dosage maybe

What does taking 5-htp before bed do to the experience?

Well, in terms of how it works, it stops you from having REM for a couple hours, resulting in REM rebound later in the night. You probably already know that, just throwing it in for anybody new.

The effect it has for me is long and vivid dreams with a lot of noise going on in the sound track - music or voices that seem to be coming from another room or from behind me or something. It can be a little unnerving, but not frightening. It's like those dreams where you're hearing a radio (sometimes it's really loud) and you're trying to find it to shut it off.

Thanks. I wasnt sure on what it would do. I'm going to try 8mg gala tonight. Do you think I should take some 5-htp before I go to bed?

Have you done Galantamine by itself yet? Looking back up the page it seems you just started on it. I'd recommend doing just one or the other a couple of times to get used to what it feels like and how you react to it before combining them. Probably better to start out getting used to the G and finding your best dosage first, but feel free to go with the HTP first if you want. Hell, do them both if you want to, but just understand that when you do it that way you're not learning what each chemical does to you independently and things will be pretty haphazard.

Yeh I spoke to you on saturday morning. Its been 4 days since my first try. I tried 4mg and it didnt work. I think you are right though. Maybe its best if I leave it out this time and just do the gala 8mg and choline 500mg.

Oh ok - you're going for the OBE/AP approach, that's right.

One thing I highly recommend if you want to mess with supplements is to get Thomas Yushack's book Advanced Lucid Dreaming: the Power of Supplements. In fact I more than recommend it - it should be a requirement for anybody who starts taking galantamine and/or any of the other supplements mentioned on this thread. It requires a good solid understanding of the supplements, how each works, and their possible effects especially when combined. If you google for the book title followed by .pdf you should be able to find a downloadable version online - I think there are more than one. I started out that way but ended u getting a print book too because I wanted to earmark pages and do a lot of highlighting/underlining etc.

Took a 4mg Galantamind again this morning at around 5:45am (I didn't check because I didn't even want to open my eyes so as to give myself the best possible chance of staying asleep). I took it and tried to relax but, again, my heart started beating really quickly and I got over-excited.
I'm a really light sleeper and have ADHD in addition to being a pretty bad insomniac so I do have trouble getting to sleep at the best of times and, once again, after the pill kicked in it was game-over for me and I was awake for a couple of hours.

Any advice on how to remain cool and collected and actually get to sleep? L-theanine? I've read of a couple of people also having this difficulty and am really keen to experience these as I feel they would definitely help in accentuating awareness.

I have however found that both times I've taken it, once I get back to sleep I have super-vivid dreams. So it's not all bad!

ASTROSOMNIA...Try waking up a little earlier, around 3 a.m that way you are a little more sleepy. I found that when i do a WBTB (wake back to bed) even without the galantamine i sometimes have trouble falling back asleep. If you are trying a wake induced lucid dream it might not be such a bad thing that you cant fall asleep right away, just continue laying still, breathing and using all your awarness to relax your body. the body will probably fall asleep first and the dream will begin.

It happened!!
The morning of the 27th I took a 4mg pill at 8:30am and managed to get to sleep about 40 minutes later.
What eventuated is far and away the most intense, vivid, controllable lucid dream I've ever had.
I managed to chain 8 dreams altogether. The first ones were quite unstable, but I just did DEILD after DEILD (something I've never even done before this) and each one became progressively more stable until I was effortlessly doing awesome things I've never managed in a lucid.
It works, guys. It works real well.

Originally Posted by Astrosomnia

It happened!!
The morning of the 27th I took a 4mg pill at 8:30am and managed to get to sleep about 40 minutes later.
What eventuated is far and away the most intense, vivid, controllable lucid dream I've ever had.
I managed to chain 8 dreams altogether. The first ones were quite unstable, but I just did DEILD after DEILD (something I've never even done before this) and each one became progressively more stable until I was effortlessly doing awesome things I've never managed in a lucid.
It works, guys. It works real well.

Nice man. I forgot to take mine last night, have to wait a week now.. I had a short lucid though. What time did you go to sleep and wake up all together then?

I got to sleep at approximately 1:30am, woke up at 7:45, took the pill at 8:30 and then dreamt until 9:45ish.

Well its April 4th and I have been reading this thread from the beginning for about a week now! I am only on page 21 at the moment but decided to skip to the last page to make my 1st post on this forum and have discovered that no one has been writing on here for about 2 months! NOOOOOOOO!!!! So I figured I would write anyway and see if the thread comes back to life as it has been so interesting to read over the week!!!!

In short, and not to make this post too terribly long-- I have been into lucid dreaming since i was a wee little girl and have had success rates of about 7-10% to do them naturally. Of course this isnt nearly enough of a good success rate so for years I have been reading up online what different herbs, barks, potions, supplements I could take to help me dream at least more vividly to kick me into a DILD. Mainly my successes for DILDing are all about mind set, RCs etc... but on the supplemental/herb side of things natta-zip-nought. I have ingested enough Calea Z to burn out my bitter tastebud receptors and with it only working once after smoking about 1/2 oz all at once, I gave up (although that was an amazing OBE!!) then i tried the African Root, Silenis or something (I cant remember off the top of my head) I ordered it from Holland by the pound and drank so much of the stuff I broke out into zit-polooza all over my face which took 3 weeks to clear up (both times I did this!!) and not a single vivid dream or experience any different than au naturelle. I have done the whole melantonin thing, but that just makes me sleepy with no improved dream call. B6 is a joke, and the 5-htp kept me up ALL NIGHT and I started to get depressed on it and heart palpatations. Deffo bad. I totally gave up smoking pot (which has helped with dream recall at least) i drank about an ocean's worth of mugwort tea to no avail (athough it tastes lovely!!) I even made a damn pillow out of the dried leaves, but nuthin.... need I go on??? so as you can see here, the picture is pretty clear on my track record with supplements. So I just went to drinking pepperment tea which i discovered by mistake that sometimes helps with dream recall and then just tried to improve on my natural methods of trigger events, RCs, bringing my conscience into my dreams best I can. but this is still 10% success at best so i went online to see more info on any supplements i could rape and abuse and aha!! I found this thread!!!! Well I went and bought the GalantaMind online and received that last week. i also have liquid lethicin for the choline (the Galantamind I have is 100mg of choline and 4mg of G per pill) so i need a choline top up as I just wanted to stick with the 4mgs of G to start off with. So all excited WBTB on friday night and took 1 of the GalantaMind pills and a mouth full of liquid lethicin and went straight back to laying down (I did this at bedside with no lights) i wanted to WILD as I have only ever had like 2 successes in my entire life with this method. I always seem to fall asleep 1st. WOW- this did NOT work for me due to me being so awake you would think I did a gram of crystal meth or something. i was excited, but really did lots of relaxations techniques and tried to form the HIs into a dreascape for me to enter. I started to feel the vibrations, but then as soon as an outside noise happened or my husband turned over in bed I would be snapped back into being WIIIIIDE awake. I eventual fell asleep at some ungodly hour in the morning and just had pleasant flying dreams but nothing lucid. SO- then I was really mad because I had to wait at least 48hrs before having another try!!!!!! I have since ordered the Piracentam and an ACME cartoon sized bottle of L-theanine for sleeping. Those are on their merry way as we speak, but I did try one more time last night (48 hrs after 1st attempt) and this time I did succeed in a small Lucid!!! Same problem of not being able to fall back asleep and no HIs this time but I think it kicked off with a FA regarding my husband clapping loudly in bed (which I know was just an audial hallucination like the weird buzzing noises you get) but the bit I need to check on when he gets home which I am not sure if it was a dream or not was me waking up from the noise of the clapping and jolting awakw which in turn woke him up with me being all violently waking up in bed and saying something. I remember him being like whats wrong and me apologizing to him saying sorry its just the pills, go back to sleep. I dont know if that bit was real, but straight after i said that and put my head down I went into a lucid dream. I was sleeping on my side as I had given up WILDing at this point in the night and just wanted to sleep. All of a sudden my bedside lamp was on and i was half hanging off the side of the bed, as if I would slither out onto the floor. I was staring at some clothes on the floor and a cardboard box. I then noticed how my body was vibrating all over and it was this that triggered me to know I was trying to slip out of my body. i said to myself "go for it!!" and slid out of my body onto the floor like a snake coming out of its skin. It felt really lovely. i then did something which I never did when I naturally lucid dreasm which was FLOAT. I always fly. I also having a flying style i usually like to do, but I always fly. This was so different. i just floated and could go anywhere I wanted by intention. I floated up to the upright position and floated to my bedroom wall. I knew I was in the astral body so that i could float through the wall and did so. I floated through the wall into a closet and kept saying to myself how cool this was. i was totally concious in thought. Absolute clarity. then I floated up and out of the house outside. One thing that was different was floating is not fast but more ethereal. I also noticed that no one was around. I also noticed (which I wonder if this is from hypnotic suggestion because I read about it on this thread that a few people experienced blindness when taking Galantamine) so I found that I started to loose my site as I went into this other house. My site was blind from the middle up. As if I was wearing a viser really low on my face and all I could see was my feet and the world from looking down with my eyeballs. I reckon this is because I was sleeping so lightly that I was sort of in a half dream half wake state where a part of my brain was still so very aware of my body. i could hear my husband breathing by my side and i could feel the constant vibrations on my body. I needed to be in a deeper sleep so to speak. Now that I am aware of this blind issue, i will address it the next time it happens and try to sort it out. I floated around this other house for a bit and then found my slef back in my body full of the vibrations and even an intense vibration on the very tip of my tongue!!! i went inside of my body so I could go to laying on my back to continue with dreaming but this awakened me and by that time I think the Galantamine had run its course for lucidity because I wasted so much time being awake after taking it. I took the pill literally while laying down and dry swallowed it too so that I didnt interupt my sleepyness, but as soon as that pill went in my mouth I was full of energy, especially when trying to WILD. Deffo need the L-theanine!!!! i wnet back to sleep and had flying dreams but they were normal dreams and not lucid or abnormally vivid or strange in anyway, just normal dreams. I feel fine waking up, no hangover, although a bit "speedy" I guess. I awoke at 8.30am. Sorry for such a long post but wanted to share my experience on GalantaMind and my blindness issue that some other people have had with this which I thought was curious!

Hey everyone! Hey Naoticangel, I like you were reading through this thread but after page 11 decided to hop down to the end and introduce myself. I have been interested in lucid dreaming a for a few years now but It wasnt until this past year I really started practicing. I have had a few spread out throughout the year, mostly having success with the WBTB or naps. My experience with herbs and supplements for LD/ vivid dreams have been a mix bag so far. I have tried Calea Z. (I could not sleep, this stuff had me energetically intense and tuned in but couldnt go deep enough for sleep), mugwort and damiana (sometimes vivid, a mix), b6, melatonin, 5htp... sometimes vivid dreams. I have tried muira puama (not much success for LD), valerian (helps fall asleep at the least, maybe increase vividness). I have been doing RC this past week (setting timer on phone) and focusing on raising my awareness. I had a rem rebound nap ealier today which was almost developed into LD, heres the story: I drifted off but remained aware and heard this drumming pulling me in. I think it started as me drumming with some friends but then it was just a drum in front of me, and the drum started singing a higher pitch tone song. It reminded me of a shaman who was playing a drum and transforming in a dream I had a few weeks ago. This drumming was pulling me in and I was aware, I felt intense energy rushing through me and particularly building up at the sacral chakra. I managed to float up some but didnt keep the LD stable enough. I was flying a bit but it was fuzzy and I came out of it shortly after. Still another inspiring glimpse!
Well anyways, I got some galantamine and some choline. Im going to try this out for the first time this weekend. I plan on doing WBTB after 4.5 hours, empty 4mg galantamine into some water.... take the choline, stay up for 45 mins then go back to sleep and attempt WILD. I have had a couple of successes with WILD in the past. My dream journal has seen a significant increase this past week, ive been recalling a couple dreams a night now. Well anyways, I wish all you fellow travellers the best and am glad to be a part of the community and our explorations in space.

OMG-n I just wrote out this long response to you Spacebaba and the damn thing erased with an error message when I hit reply.

Short version- I was commenting on how I liked how you felt the intense energy of the drum pulling you in and how sometimes I get that feeling with the sun's rays in my dreams, albeit its a rare event. If oyu find it hard to sleep after taking the Choline+G remember that you can order (or even find in a pharmacy i think) L-theanine and take 200-300g with your Choline+G at WBTB. It helps your body relax and go to sleep without interrupting REM (like melatonin can) I found it nigh impossible to get back to sleep with just 4mg of Galantamine and that was taking it at WBTB in the dark, groping blindly at my nightstand for the pill so as to not interrupt my sleep too much, and ramming the pill in my mouth and swallowing dry. But I still couldnt sleep for like 2hrs. God knows if I stayed up for 45min and then tried to go back to sleep. So just food for thought if you find it difficult to go back to sleep!! Loads of luck this week-end with it! Tell us how it went! I found the experience so much different than normal LDs. It felt more like an OBE not a LD. Especially the floating and going through walls and ceilings. It was just so different than anything I experienced in my natural LDs.

Aww, bummer!!! The sun, wow thats powerful!! Thanks for the advice, Ill go see if I can find some L- theanine tonight. I took aniracetam today, I have been taking it the past few days and piracetam b4 that. Im going to take a break today though. Maybe wait till saturday to try the galantamine. Ill definitely post about it when I do.

Couldnt find L theanine. Just tried my first attempt (4mg G +700mg choline). I went to bed around 130-2am. Woke up naturally around 530am. Went back to sleep. Woke up around 615, right before my alarm was set to go off. wrote down my dreams. Took the G+C. Went back to bed listened to induction, then attempted (SILD)... then body relaxation and mantra. Couldnt fall asleep. I could feel that I got pretty awake preparing the galantamine. Ill have it ready next time. After a long period of visualization + body relaxation and mantra'ing. I finally was relaxed enough to where I would drift off a bit and catch myself back in my anchor. Finally I got the loud woooshing and felt intense vibrations and like I was starting to fly. Here was my chance, finally! But Then I either thought about last time or it just happened and when the energy reached my sacral I either blocked it or I got too excited or just started thinking too much. It didnt continue to rise. I gradually came out of it. Im always extremely grateful to have a close encounter like that, so this attempt although not a success was very inspiring. And I feel super relaxed right now!!! I will attempt rem rebound nap and see if I can get lucid later on today. Sweet dreams my friends.

Sounds like you were right there! I'm a big backer of the G+C combo, I have a 90% - 95%+ success rate of having a lucid dream after using this combo with a wbtb so it's always exciting when i'm taking my G+C!