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      L-aspartic acid, L-glutamine, L-theanine.

      Has anyone tried this yet? Seems interesting.

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      New article about LDS in the advancedld site: http://www.advancedld.com/f/Substanc...case_study.pdf

      It seems that Yuschak found new combinations that does not require Galantamine, such as this combination: 2000mg L-aspartic acid, 4000mg L-glutamine, and 300mg L-theanine.

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      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartic_acid
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine

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      Amino Blend 100% success

      Thomas Yuschak, a respected Lucid Dream Researcher has just come out with a study on certain substances and how they increase your odds of becoming Lucid.

      http://www.advancedld.com/f/Substanc...case_study.pdf

      You can find the results in the end of the article.

      One of the most successful substance he used was something he calls an "Amino Acid Blend" which is made up with

      2000mg L-aspartic acid
      4000mg L-glutamine
      300mg L-theanine.

      His research suggest that this "Amino Acid Blend" rivals Galantamine in its effectiveness, and has virtually no side effects at those dosages

      I gotta try it, anyone know where i can by these?
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      It also says that 8 mg Galantamine + 40 mg Propranonol had a high success rate and had very high lucidity

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      Quote Originally Posted by westonci View Post
      Thomas Yuschak, a respected Lucid Dream Researcher has just come out with a study on certain substances and how they increase your odds of becoming Lucid.

      http://www.advancedld.com/f/Substanc...case_study.pdf

      You can find the results in the end of the article.

      One of the most successful substance he used was something he calls an "Amino Acid Blend" which is made up with

      2000mg L-aspartic acid
      4000mg L-glutamine
      300mg L-theanine.

      His research suggest that this "Amino Acid Blend" rivals Galantamine in its effectiveness, and has virtually no side effects at those dosages

      I gotta try it, anyone know where i can by these?
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      That is very interesting stuff, and I respect that man a lot for taking that line of research. Our scientific understanding of lucidity needs to be expanded - and that's what I hope to do in my future career. However, Yuschak didn't mention anything about if these drugs are widely availiable, and I presume that not all of them are.

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      Although it is very interesting work, I would be hesitant about taking any of this. But then again, maybe I'm just being overcautious. How exactly are you supposed to take these though? With water? Straight up? I'd like to know a bit more before I do anything.

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      Quote Originally Posted by superlox3 View Post
      Although it is very interesting work, I would be hesitant about taking any of this. But then again, maybe I'm just being overcautious. How exactly are you supposed to take these though? With water? Straight up? I'd like to know a bit more before I do anything.
      I'll admit i wouldn't take most of the things they've listed. BUT, surprisingly the Amino Acid Blend which had one of the highest success rate has no virtually no side effects.

      Its just amino acids, which are extremely safe.

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      Quote Originally Posted by superlox3 View Post
      Although it is very interesting work, I would be hesitant about taking any of this. But then again, maybe I'm just being overcautious. How exactly are you supposed to take these though? With water? Straight up? I'd like to know a bit more before I do anything.
      Experimental Investigation – Method

      On each experimental night, the subject slept naturally for approximately 3.5 to
      4.5 hours before the testing period. The subject was awakened and then ingested the
      prescribed supplements for that night’s test along with approximately 6oz of water. The
      subject then immediately returned to bed and targeted falling to sleep approximately 45
      minutes after the ingestion of the supplements. He reported the results by filling out a
      detailed questionnaire the following morning which included rankings on dream
      vividness, recall, lucidity, quality of sleep, and so on. The results were then compiled at
      the end of the study.

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      Thanks for the clarity. And sorry about the inconvenience. I'll read things more carefully next time. Very interesting stuff!

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      I have done some research, and I do not understand why Aspartic Acid is necessary here.

      In my limited understanding Aspartic Acid and Glutamine are both NMDA agonists, and Aspartic Acid has a limited ability to cross the blood brain barrier so It seems it would work as well to use the later two in combination to get the desired results. "Activation of NMDA receptors requires binding of glutamate or aspartate (aspartate does not stimulate the receptors as strongly.[7])"

      What am I missing?
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      where can i buy these, at the prescribed dosages?

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      Quote Originally Posted by westonci View Post
      where can i buy these, at the prescribed dosages?
      I found the later two at Vitamin World, I think you have to buy aspartic acid off the net. I could not find those dosages or even close so I was going to take multiple pills to get the desired dosage.

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      I think I am going to try just the later two tonight and report back to you folks tomorrow.

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      Does galantamine have side effects?

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      Does galantamine have side effects?
      I've had and read about others having stomach upset the following morning, usually it's just for a couple hours or until i have a... movement . sometimes i feel weak and shaky the next morning for a bit also, but other than that i'm usually ok. especially if i just stick to the 4mg dose...

      also i've heard that the people who take piracetam the next morning have less side effects.

      really curious to try out this amino acid blend, do you think all the ingredients are easy to get at a local pharmacy?
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      I woke up naturally after sleeping 2 1/2 hours, and took 4000mg Glutamine , and 500mg of Theanine. I stayed up for 30 minutes then went and layed down.

      I did the WILD method, but it did not work to get my lucid. Although, I had results.

      Eventually after 20 minutes my body went into SP, I began to feel as though I was traveling at amazing speeds and I was seeing lots of colors. But I ignored then and pretended to be asleep and they just went away. This repeated it self 3 times, and I counted to 550, then I had no will left and went to bed.

      The combination did not have any side effects (As I would expect with the natural of the chemicals I ingested). Also, I feel completely normal this morning.

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      Eventually after 20 minutes my body went into SP, I began to feel as though I was traveling at amazing speeds and I was seeing lots of colors. But I ignored then and pretended to be asleep and they just went away. This repeated it self 3 times, and I counted to 550, then I had no will left and went to bed.

      The combination did not have any side effects (As I would expect with the natural of the chemicals I ingested). Also, I feel completely normal this morning.
      So Aspartic Acid really might not be necessary... that's cool if it's the harder one to find without ordering it off the net.

      Definitely sounds like a possible Galantamine without side effects... eager to hear more results about this. I might have to take a look around and see if I can't find this combo.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Zimmerman View Post
      So Aspartic Acid really might not be necessary... that's cool if it's the harder one to find without ordering it off the net.

      Definitely sounds like a possible Galantamine without side effects... eager to hear more results about this. I might have to take a look around and see if I can't find this combo.
      I actually have a head ache but I think that is sleep related or lack there of lately. I will try these two and Galantamine tonight as they did in the study paper.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arthurium View Post
      I woke up naturally after sleeping 2 1/2 hours, and took 4000mg Glutamine , and 500mg of Theanine. I stayed up for 30 minutes then went and layed down.

      I did the WILD method, but it did not work to get my lucid. Although, I had results.

      Eventually after 20 minutes my body went into SP, I began to feel as though I was traveling at amazing speeds and I was seeing lots of colors. But I ignored then and pretended to be asleep and they just went away. This repeated it self 3 times, and I counted to 550, then I had no will left and went to bed.

      The combination did not have any side effects (As I would expect with the natural of the chemicals I ingested). Also, I feel completely normal this morning.
      According to the paper the test subject had 3.5-4.5 hours of sleep before waking up and ingesting the amino acid blend. So the next time you do it sleep a little longer. Try 5 hours of sleep next time

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arthurium View Post
      I actually have a head ache but I think that is sleep related or lack there of lately. I will try these two and Galantamine tonight as they did in the study paper.
      Although they has success with the combo of Amino Acid Blend and Galantamine, Yuschak said it resulted in short Lucid Dream. So I would recommend taking the Amino Acid Blend alone.

      "The amino acid blend resulted in a significant increase in odds of experiencing a
      lucid dream when used either alone or in combination with galantamine. The
      combination, although effective, resulted in very short lucid episodes due to the increased
      likelihood of awakening."

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      [quote]According to the paper the test subject had 3.5-4.5 hours of sleep before waking up and ingesting the amino acid blend. So the next time you do it sleep a little longer. Try 5 hours of sleep next time[quote]

      It really does appear that is the issue. I will attempt this again tonight and tell you what happens.

      Would there be a problem with doing this without a break? Being they are just amino acids, I don't think a break is necessary.

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      Also im not to sure but I think L-aspratic acid is important.

      "Aspartate (the conjugate base of aspartic acid) is a direct NMDA agonist. The ability of aspartic acid to cross the blood brain barrier is limited however, to an easily saturated transport mechanism [7] thus the addition of glutamine and theanine."

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      [quote=Arthurium;672329][quote]According to the paper the test subject had 3.5-4.5 hours of sleep before waking up and ingesting the amino acid blend. So the next time you do it sleep a little longer. Try 5 hours of sleep next time

      It really does appear that is the issue. I will attempt this again tonight and tell you what happens.

      Would there be a problem with doing this without a break? Being they are just amino acids, I don't think a break is necessary.
      A break (WBTB) is extremely important in the success of any supplement. Your first 4 hours of sleep is mostly deep non-rem sleep.

      According to article

      "On each experimental night, the subject slept naturally for approximately 3.5 to
      4.5 hours before the testing period. The subject was awakened and then ingested the
      prescribed supplements for that night’s test along with approximately 6oz of water. The
      subject then immediately returned to bed and targeted falling to sleep approximately 45
      minutes after the ingestion of the supplements."

      Page 11

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      Quote Originally Posted by westonci View Post
      Also im not to sure but I think L-aspratic acid is important.

      "Aspartate (the conjugate base of aspartic acid) is a direct NMDA agonist. The ability of aspartic acid to cross the blood brain barrier is limited however, to an easily saturated transport mechanism [7] thus the addition of glutamine and theanine."

      Page 9
      But Glutamate is a NMDA agonist also.

      "Activation of NMDA receptors requires binding of glutamate or aspartate (aspartate does not stimulate the receptors as strongly.[7])"

      Glutamate is far superior at crossing the blood brain barrier compared to Aspartate, so I do not understand why he wanted to use it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by westonci View Post
      Although they has success with the combo of Amino Acid Blend and Galantamine, Yuschak said it resulted in short Lucid Dream. So I would recommend taking the Amino Acid Blend alone.

      "The amino acid blend resulted in a significant increase in odds of experiencing a
      lucid dream when used either alone or in combination with galantamine. The
      combination, although effective, resulted in very short lucid episodes due to the increased
      likelihood of awakening."

      Page 12
      I have tried Galantamine twice and gotten SP both times with no lucid, and this blend once with SP but no lucid so I was figuring that maybe combining them would work for me. But I am thinking that it makes more sense that I was waking way to early and was not in my REM stage of sleep.

      So tonight I will try the amino blend (the later two) and wake 5 hours after going to sleep.

      I will report back in the morning, but I am confident that if I can sleep without waking for five hours that this strategy will work for me.

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